khrystyna yatskiv and invited experts give their assessment and forecast of the development of events based on facts. if you want to understand how our today will affect our tomorrow, watch the saturday political club. every saturday at espresso. a separate set of unmanned aerial systems sapsan of the state special service. transport the viewers of the espresso tv channel are asked to join the fundraising. crowns and technical equipment for our division. thank you. glory to ukraine. to the heroes. glory. i congratulate you. this is svoboda live. my name is vlasta lazur. we are talking now about the attack on... the russian ship ivanov,

the potential resignation of valery zaluzhny and the results of the eu summit, during which ukraine was agreed to receive eur 50 billion in aid, but there are nuances. ukrainian intelligence said that on the night of february 1, the ukrainian armed forces destroyed the ivanovets missile boat of the russian black sea fleet. according to intelligence, the boat that was on the raid of lake donuzlav in the crimea sank. the intelligence agency published a video, which allegedly shows the moment of the explosion, what kind of weapon was used, in gur no clarified, however, the videos published by the special service show boats approaching the ship, after which a strong explosion occurs. according to gur, the value of the ship is approximately 60-70 million dollars, the ministry of defense of russia did not confirm the loss of the boat, but according to the website of the black sea fleet of russia, the length of the boat ivanov is 56 m, its... armament

includes, among other things, four anti-ship missile launchers mosquito, and the number of the crew is 41 people. ukrainian intelligence claims that search and rescue the donuzlav operation was not successful. dmytro pletenchuk, captain of the third rank, spokesman of the naval forces of the armed forces of ukraine, joins our broadcast. good evening. good evening, studio. what is known about kater ivanovits, what functions he actually performed. right next to lake donuzlav, well, responding to the words of the so-called president of the russian federation, i can mention anautanul, and as for the direct purpose of this combat unit, that it is a rather serious unit, it is a boat, a missile, to attack surface targets, i.e. enemy ships, and the range of missiles that are installed. on it up to 130 km, that is

, the radius of such ships in the black sea fleet was three, accordingly, this can be attributed to significant losses for the black sea fleet, i can’t hear you very well, not very intelligibly, but i hope that the audience can hear better, maybe something related to the connection, but please tell me, look, it was said that the boat was designed for a 41-person crew, but... it is not clear to the end how many people were on board in the end and and and whether it is happening some kind of search and rescue operation , did they manage to evacuate, do you know anything about it, regarding the search and rescue operation, we know that it took place since the beginning of the day, regarding the number of personnel losses , i do not have this information verified at the moment, but i think , later this... as

far as the importance of this unit is concerned, this is a fairly serious combat unit, which was designed to destroy enemy surface targets and was equipped with appropriate missile weapons with a range of up to 130 km. studio. and how big a loss it actually is for the russian fleet and globally, do you have any idea how this will affect the war and the capabilities of the russian fleet. yes, this is quite a serious loss for the russian fleet, considering that there were only three such units in the black sea fleet, and the fact that this project is no longer being built, accordingly , it is also virtually impossible to restore such units, but in this case we see that she sank, so this unit can be considered destroyed, but i understand that, well, i can see so far. that the russian side does not

did not comment on the loss of this ship, maybe they hope to raise it and restore it, are there any chances? actually. considering the cost of such ship units, the practice of raising even sunken units, it is actually in many navies of the world, because these units are quite expensive, but considering that these units have been discontinued for a long time, accordingly , it will be very difficult to restore it, because the corresponding spare parts in fact, there are no more, and the date of construction says about... that you no longer have spare parts for it, even if this unit will be raised, and most likely they should be raised , considering where she sank, but it is too early to talk about recovery, but tell me , please, dmytro, what kind of weapon was used to hit

the boat, because at this moment in gur there is no specific information about the type of weapons that was used to inflict fire damage. er, i can’t provide you, from the video that was published on the page of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine, it can be concluded that unmanned weapons systems, naval drones were used, that is, it is possible and yes to say, well, at least that's what the specialized specialized publication defense express, which specializes in such topics, reports, and please tell me why, why wasn't it? applied in response, there was also some weaponry on board the boat, there were guns, as far as i understand, they didn’t have time or couldn’t, how do you explain it, why they couldn’t repel the drone attack, well maybe in the first place, that’s why that when such

ships were designed, such weapons systems, which are now used to defeat them, did not exist in principle, and accordingly in the structure should not be laid... for example, the angles of inclination, the system that allows striking at close range, this is as one example, in addition, the planning of combat operations should not be forgotten, and when the operation is planned , very carefully, when all the factors add up, come together successfully to carry out this operation, accordingly the operation is a success, it should be understood that... not all operations can go the same way without problems, and in this particular case it can be noted that we see clear planning and very professional use of existing weapons systems. thank

you very much for your comment, dmytro platenchuk, captain of the third rank, spokesman of the naval forces of the armed forces of ukraine was on radio liberty. thank you very much and we will continue this topic to ours. andriy ryzhenko, captain of the first rank of the reserve, deputy chief of staff of the navy of the armed forces of ukraine, fourth in the 20s, is already joining the air, good evening, and good evening, how many boats like ivanovets does russia actually have and how much, how important is this loss for the russian fleet, well, there were such ships a large number were built in soviet times, by the way, this ivanovets was actually one of the last ships. this class was built during the time before the collapse of the soviet union, it has a very specific task, it is such a sea hunter with very powerful mosquito missiles, that is, it can find at a distance of up to 200 km with its own means, so you see in

its bow such a dome immediately behind the gun, this is precisely the system of passive detection of targets. and then destroy targets with these missiles, and i i want to say, no one said this, after russia withdrew from the grain agreement, they deployed the black sea fleet of sevastopol , specially deployed two such boats in novaazorne in lake donuzlav in order to carry out, well, hunting for ships, if they will suddenly decide to enter... our ports by the main routes through the central part of this northwestern part of the black sea, and not along this coast, as they are currently moving, and there they are constantly around the clock, that is

if there is information that some ships there have dared to block this blockade, it means to interrupt it, then they leave and it is possible to strike, as well as ivanov. aware of the fact that on july 21 of last year, when the russians conducted such a tactical exercise demonstrating their capabilities, he, well, he was one of the ships, fired such missiles at our corvette ternopil, just in this area, and as a result, they destroyed our corvette ternopil, it was the newest ship of the ministry of defense of ukraine, and well, in fact, such a tactic, it had already been going on for six months, and there were ivan's ships of such a class as ivanovets , but now it is being shown, this is precisely the moment when with a blow... they kept us,

let's say, in constant tension, well, here i understand, our military somehow recognized the fact that itself ivanovets will come out from there closer to cape tarkhankut, you see, i think so, there was a certain number of these ot dro. of our sea kamikazes, and they really caught this boat, i think so, at first they gave it such a weakening blow, and you can see from these the footage that gur was given that they were shooting back, you could see that they were using machine guns, maybe there were guns, but it was, well, again, limited, because... well, all this is going through maneuvers, you see, now we see, this is the first explosion, i understand, in the aft

part, the boat lost speed, now you see, here are the balls that are being fired from the machine guns, but somehow at least one or two more drones managed to approach the boat and we see that the hit is actually right in the hole, right now there will be a pothole. you see in the central part, and one of the drones jumped into this hole, i understand, and exploded, and after this explosion , the ammunition was detonated, and this means that there can no longer be any question of recovery there, about recovery, you said about recovery is out of the question, but as for people, it is noted that in theory there could be 41 people on the boat, what do you think? did these people escape, or could they have died? i think most of them died, because

there was a very serious explosion, but that's not the case there is only one recommendation, not to go to war against a neighboring country, but there was a very serious explosion here, you see, now here it is basically so identical to the explosion that was on board the landing ship novocherkask, as a rule. well here, if someone, someone survived , then it is very so, then that person was lucky , there could be 40 people on board, but you see, now he has a serious list to starboard, i think so, after that he is already there completely , and now there is a second explosion, and it goes astern to now we see it in mode the titanic, here it is, so it is going to the bottom of the sea, and it is already... in fact, well, it can be raised, again

, some equipment can be evacuated, there is definitely secure communication equipment there, maybe there is equipment there, so , the other one is closed there, but this ship, its use is no longer possible, but tell me, please, what is the global loss of such a ship, what is it now, what will it mean for the russian fleet and how will it affect it, maybe? even in a very close perspective in war and in war, in particular at sea. well, you see, these are the boats that are in the palm of the hand, they are blocking our shipping, that is, it will be more difficult for them to do now, but they do not have enough power and means, until then they are just keeping such soviet-built ships in sevastopol, that is for them will do more difficult , i think that we will continue this practice, again, hunting, you see

, they have this, this is an anti-aircraft missile, or rather, well, yes, anti-aircraft, anti-aircraft gun-missile complex is standing, this is a type of armor, so they will it is difficult to do, and at a certain stage it is impossible at all, but again here it must be seen that we first knock out the enemy's forces with ships, and then we need our own power to take control of the sea. and to already control this northwestern part of the black sea, i think that this is precisely in our plans, and we will deal with it, and lake donuzlav itself, it is very... interesting in terms of the fact that, well, in soviet times there was a very serious combination of landing ships, there was a division of landing ships, and these marines who were in sevastopol they carried out, well, ships went out and were loaded near sevastopol, now

there is a large naval base there, and the only purpose that russia now has there is just that... interception of civilian shipping to our ports on the black sea coast, such a global one question , well, the strike was probably carried out by naval drones, this is very indirect, but dmytro platenchuk confirmed it, he assumed the same, of course, neither gur nor the armed forces officially inform about it, which weapon, which weapon was applied, but what, what they say in circles, let's say your specialists... and experts on the use of naval drones, how powerful is this weapon and how much is ukraine here, well, i will say so, in the vanguard or something, because as far as i understand, there is no such weapon in the world, correct me, or at least it is not so actively used, well, look , well, you can see from the video that, well, it is necessary, well, obviously

, it is not necessary here, it is necessary to use common sense here, well, it is clear here that it is a drone. now you see the whole explosion, that is, it is a weapon , it is obvious, secondly, as for, well somehow, marine drones are not unique, which as some kind of weapon, they have been used for at least 25 years in the armed forces of other countries, in those mainly for underwater research, surface as training targets, in connection with that , that we didn't have ships of the surface fleet, then we mastered this tactic of using drones precisely for the sydynile function, that is , destroying the enemy, means of defeating the enemy, and gradually due to the fact that you can actually collect this drone mostly

from the existing civilian components on the market. well, our industry did it very quickly, and indeed there has never been such a large-scale use of strike drones against classic ships, and i think that here very successfully, innovatively, our military used precisely this moment, precisely the moment of combination, multiplication of the effect of naval drones, air and rockets in the future , we need to continue this tactic, but think about how to build up our surface forces, because after we knock out the enemy, the ships, we will need to take control of our sea, that is such a function control, operation, role of the navy ccontrol , that is, it is necessary to ensure that there are no surface enemy forces, that there are no

sabotage groups, amphibious assaults, for this we need small boats, which in such a , let’s say, small theater, would have high maneuverability, speed and not would be as vulnerable as ships of a larger class, we see that even such a small boat as ivanovets has only 500 tonnage, but we see that in principle it is vulnerable, so we have to watch here. thank you very much for joining our broadcast, andriy rezhenko, captain of the first rank of the reserve, deputy chief of staff of the navy of the armed forces of ukraine, 2004. in the 20s, we talked and discussed the attack on the russian boat ivanovts. president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy is going to sign a decree on the resignation of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny by the end of the week, i.e. by february 4, according to cnn, citing sources. according to

the publication, on january 29, zelenskyi told some officials, including defense minister rustem, at a small meeting. that decided to dismiss the commander-in-chief armed forces on the same day, he met with zaluzhny himself, the president offered the head another position, but he refused, a source told cnn. zelensky allegedly said that zaluzhnyi's refusal does not cancel his resignation. this meeting was also previously reported by other media, including western and ukrainian, including the washington post, financial times, economist. cnn does not specify exactly what position zelensky offered to zaluzhny, but, for example, previously the ukrainian publication dzerkalo. reported that the chief was offered to become an assistant or adviser, zaekonis, for example, claims that zaluzhny was offered the position of secretary of the national security council. one of cnn's sources said that for the position. head of the head committee, in particular, the head of the ukrainian military intelligence, kyryll budanov, or the commander of the ground forces of the ukrainian armed forces, oleksandr syrskyi, are being considered. the fact that the authorities of ukraine are considering their candidacies for

the post of commander-in-chief was also reported by other world media, which i already mentioned today, and ukrainian media. well , the german publication bilt claims that budanov and syrsky opposed the idea of ​​dismissal deserving in an interview with cnn, budanov said that he is not going to become the head, but... he simply did not answer the journalists, our colleagues from the svoboda ranok program asked about the probable resignation of mykhailo podoliak, the adviser to the head of the president's office, listen to his answer. the first will be a fact, if there is a fact, then we will comment, well, it will be speculative, if i confirm that something will happen after a certain time, well, that is , forecasting is a little different, yes, well, this kind of speculative forecasting is meant , this is the first, the second, me again i emphasize, we must talk about the war and effectively. the introduction of certain defensive and offensive actions, and the commander-in-chief has the absolute right within the managerial vertical to

clearly say whether these or other tasks have been solved or not, if he will make any decisions, he will definitely promote, well, that is, he will talk about motivation for making certain decisions. the third component, i would like you and i to realize after two years of war that we are not in a political electoral cycle. we are today at war, in a state of war. roman romaniuk, a political columnist for the edition of ukrainian pravda, roman, good evening, joined our broadcast. congratulations. roman, what do you think will be the end of the story with the resignation of zaluzhny? after all, he will be fired, not simply, as you think, maybe, i think , you also have sources, he will be fired after all, or it will be possible to rewind and pretend that no one planned any resignation. well, it seems to me that... that it will be very difficult to do, and most importantly, so far i don't see, well, any special person there there is an effort to find a compromise between

the president and the leader and his command, that is, so far everything looks like there is a very high probability that the resignation of the meritorious officer will take place, ugh, but look at our ukrainian and western colleagues... they write that they are considering the candidacy budanov and syrskyi, but they allegedly refused their positions, it was even noted that they were even against the resignation of zaluzhnyi, do you think that these are the only candidates, do you know, maybe, like when they were looking for a candidate for the post of minister of defense, when rustem umyerov appeared there almost at the last moment, well, it seems to me that if you remember how they appointed the hard-working commander-in-chief, and what he was. the 21st year , if i am not mistaken, and yes, the candidacy was also, well, not among the main ones, that is, there were some conversations there about various people, but

then a young, progressive person appeared, with a western education, with the absence of there is some experience of the soviet army, volerii zabuzhnyi, and by the way, yes, that is, this manner, first of all, to release people unexpectedly and without explaining anything to anyone, it is such a ... inherent manner zelensky, which has not left him since the first days, it seems to me, yes, that is, this wow effect, which he always tries to achieve, has not gone anywhere, as well as the search for replacements, when zelensky appoints someone, he usually looks for some people who in terms of the media , problems from the resignation of the person he appoints, and so on, or vice versa, can be blocked there. finds someone generally inconspicuous and quiet there , such as the current prime minister or the current prosecutor general, there not so long ago my colleague and i tried to remember the last name

the general prosecutor and spent probably three minutes on this, because in such a situation, the question here is that, well, this is what i am leading to the fact that some completely non-obvious candidate may appear, which at the same time will be for everyone for everyone obviously, pardon the pun, but, uh, well, the position that this person is to fill there is one that would require, well, some kind of candidacy that would not, at least in itself, cause indignation and doubt there and some shouts on facebook, because if the resignation from the alkaline will take place, then the very fact of the resignation will already be there like a media bomb and a social one, i don't know, god forbid... that's why, at least the person who is supposed to be appointed should at least somehow cover this copper leak, that's why it seems to me that it's definitely not syrian.

well, if you proceed from such a logic, then it is hard to imagine syrsky in the position of head of the committee , i can, but i think, well, what about syrsky, for example, because if the hard worker leaves, then it is obvious that general shavtalaiki heads the general staff, and it seems to me that he won't stay, but just, just with him, just with him, he's industrious i posted a selfie on facebook, the truth is that this is the closest circle of people who, if they had not fought this war for two years and, in principle, it was quite successful, and that's why it seems to me that they both have this feeling of fraternity, if the resignation takes place , then it seems to me that it will not be one resignation, but two at once. i can imagine syrsky in the position of chief of the general staff there, and because if you talk about syrsky there with the military, the first thing they say is that he is a man of detailed

plans, so that is, he er... drives there, well is studying in detail the places where he will conduct operations, yes, that is, everything is written down to the smallest detail, this kharkiv counteroffensive operation, in which type, many, including the zaluzhny, did not believe in its possibility and in its effectiveness with such and such a ratio of forces, tasyri was sure that it was possible to conduct it if it was successful, and in the end there is a fear and risk, they conducted it and it was really successful, and all due to planning. there is also an understanding of the operational situation, so to say that syrskyi or bodanov will be the leader there, well, it is personally difficult for me to imagine that zelensky will go to one or another appointment, but somehow it seems to me that it will be someone third, roman, and such a clarification, look, some western media these days wrote that the resignation of zaluzhnyi will be perceived negatively, they say in the west, because

zaluzhny has already... established good relations with the western partners regarding war tactics there, and so on, is this not an exaggeration, can we really expect that there will be any dissatisfaction on the part of the partners? to be honest, it's difficult for me well, it's actually difficult to answer this question, because on the one hand, yes, i know that zaluzhnyi has good, constructive relations with many, well , british, european,... it's a little worse with american, but they're also normal relations, yes, but on the other hand , this is a problem, well, it is difficult to say whether it is his merit as an individual, or whether it is the merit of ukraine as a state, and , that is, when minister reznikov was dismissed, yes, there was also this certain one, if i remember you see, part of the doubt

was... that he was actually there ramsteini and on other international platforms has already established close contact and personal friendship with everyone there, and to remove him means to somehow weaken this cooperation there for a while, so whether it disappeared when he was replaced by a dead man, it is also difficult to say so far because, well, there is not yet there are no big gains or big failures, and that's why i really have this question. it is not difficult to answer, because firstly, we do not know who will be, if there will be, yes, and we do not know what tasks will be set before him, accordingly, what consequences this will have for cooperation with partners. roman, thank you very much for your comment. roman romaniuk, political columnist of the ukrainian truth publication. we talked about the potential resignation of valery zaluzhny.

the european union has approved financial assistance. country in the amount of 50 billion euros. the head of the european council, charles michel, said that all 27 eu countries have given their consent. well, according to the agardian publication, hungarian prime minister viktor orban was the only european leader who was against the allocation of 50 billion to kyiv. he insisted that aid to ukraine be calculated until 2027, every year unanimously approved by all eu countries. the guardian writes that european leaders did not make any significant concessions to orbán, but... took some steps that would allow him not to look like a loser. according to the publication, the eu leaders have decided that aid to kyiv will be reviewed in two years if necessary. i will remind you that the decision to provide economic aid to ukraine in the amount of eur 50 billion was planned to be adopted in december of that year, but then it was blocked by the prime minister of hungary, viktor orban. well, today.