you can express your opinion on the evil of the day with the help of a phone survey, turn on and turn on the verdict with serhii rudenko every weekday from 20 to 22 on espresso. i welcome you, dear tv viewers, on the espresso tv channel, studio zahid program. we will analyze the most important events of this week, there are quite a lot of them and all of them. they will have an extremely serious sequel in the near future. our guests today are roman bezsmertny and myroslav cheh. now roman bezsmertny, an iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat, will work on the air of the tv channel. glory to ukraine, mr. ambassador, i congratulate you. glory to heroes. good afternoon, mr. antin. the fall of il-76 in the belgorod region, right? history is extremely difficult, history, i would say so, is even multi-echeloned, but in any case, like russia now. will

try to use it for their own purposes. it is clear and obvious that this story is not played out to the end. and its original meaning is that several factors are combined here, which will not give the russians the opportunity to leave, if out of informational attention, this thing. the first of them is very significant, it is an international component. and they correctly noticed that the plane flew on a very interesting route this summer: egypt, syria, and russia. and those information sources, fragmentary, which were, they give grounds for talking about quite serious things in this regard, especially since it is necessary to remember what was happening in egypt and syria at that time. the second thing is actually.

group of negotiators that did not get on the plane, this fact is also very important, and it indicates that russia has huge problems in the communications system, and in the system of providing these communications, i'm not saying that in the security system. the third thing is the exchange of prisoners of war itself. this is another very important factor, and... moscow, led by the führer, is looking for any way to collapse this situation, and blame ukraine for it. and the fourth thing, which is very important, is that today there is no more important fact, more important fragment in russia's war against ukraine than information and psychological attacks. everyone, even more so, such a fact, russia will... return

to blaming ukraine for themselves the biggest, most oppressive sins. i ask anyone who is interested in this piece to find the material, it is a video and text material about the briefing in the white house, literally an hour after this information appeared, and listen to the journalist's question to john kirby, who was giving the briefing at the time , as he with... with a hint that ukraine, you see, violates some humanitarian basis for the introduction of war, has taken such steps, what can you say from this, that is , it is obviously clear that for russia, for führer moskovsky any fact this war will have be used as a certain kind of informational attack, and in this regard, it is necessary to turn to ukrainian journalists, those who... take care of this field, those who write,

because i just promoted for the sake of professional interest, but what did i write, who cares , who is firewood. i just want to say to all these people, please understand that the ukrainian army complies with the norms of international humanitarian law, i have said this more than once, every soldier is instructed in this regard, and no officer, any officer, can make a decision in like similar in the case of giving the command to shoot, if he is not convinced that the attack is carried out for military or military purposes, all this is very carefully studied at the relevant instructional conversations in the armed forces of ukraine. therefore, to imagine initially that a command was given to shoot at a non-military object... this is also inadmissible in

principle, and just in case, i will say, if such a thing happens, god forbid, then this is a thing that is not a system, it ... a kind of violation that happened as a result of certain negligent actions or oversight, which, according to ukrainian legislation will entail a criminal penalty. i say once again, i don't want to name, but the number of those who are currently in the custody of the ukrainian military for violation of international humanitarian law, it sometimes even amazes those who monitor these issues from the point of view of the un. ago. therefore, there should be a principled position here: if such a fact happened to you in the information circle, immediately reject it at the start, because it is what can be called in popular literature as an excess, and not a systematic command

that is given in the armed forces of ukraine . at once we understand that the kremlin is starting to signal whether it is possible to call through some of its closed channels, so to speak. this is how they can use american weapons in ukraine, so we understand that this is also a rather difficult, drastic issue for the americans. the americans, as far as i understand, set some kind of unspoken parameter, yes, the reconquest of our territories, the return of our lands, but at the moment the issue of using long-range systems, for example, on the territory of russia, well , somehow it has not yet been adjusted, the americans have not yet matured, i did not accidentally say about this... at a briefing in the white house, but the confirmation, including your words, is the recent message of german chancellor scholz that, yes, we are considering the supply of long-range taurus missiles to ukraine, but

we have a caveat that the ukrainian side may, you see, them in moscow, so i want to emphasize a small nuance here, there was no such direct language anywhere. was, but nevertheless, this message itself, it, which is taken in quotation marks as a direct speech, it was attributed to the events with il-76, and attributed to the opposite, in order to, as it were, attract attention, and again the question of the supply of ukraine and medium and long-range missiles, if it were to slow down, and the second quote went out altogether... it is funny that what you see, the chancellor does not know about what the british ministry of defense offered to exchange for , in fact, how the situation was real, he said that we are aware of such a position and

left it without any comment, instead it came out in the mass media that he does not know anything about this fragment, in the first part he... as if said that they have reservations because the possibility of attacks by the ukrainian armed forces on moscow. here is a vivid example of how the kremlin uses a number of facts in connection with this anchor that pulls on the information situation. i understand that security guarantees are currently being provided to us, in particular from the big seven, we understand that we have stronger and stronger ties with great britain. well , the security agreement with the united kingdom best demonstrates this, how should we properly use the chances given to us in principle and how to make sure that similar ones are signed memoranda and agreements did not repeat the fate of the so-called budapest memorandum, because

there are a lot of correct and pleasant formulas, but there is still the question of their concrete implementation, this question is very important, i would even call it the number one question today from the point of view of international... aid and strengthening the very things that you said about, the security guarantees, but right away i can't help but ask some very important questions for myself, for all of us, this is an international agreement, and an international agreement that has a very wide impact on the internal relationship situation, on the external situation, but as you can see, for some reason it is not submitted to the parliament for ratification between. however, the constitution clearly defines that such acts are valid only after consent to them is given by the parliament, the verkhovna rada of ukraine. this, hold now if the information. second, if so, then i will remind everyone that the budapest memorandum was not

ratified either, but at that time the previous constitution was still in force and it allowed similar things, including things like the one mentioned there. external guarantees by the ministry finance, conclusion of mandatory similar sectoral and sectoral agreements, and so on, and an agreement on security and defense issues is possible. it was called that, well, it is also a stretch, instead this document, it cannot be unratified from the point of view of the norms, the position of the current constitution, this is the first thing that must be remembered, and therefore here, give me the breeze of the budapest memorandum, it is already deme, and the second thing is the implementation mechanisms, i am still convinced today that the budapest memorandum is... a very serious document, but what is missing, what is not there, and

what cannot be in such a document, as in the document signed by reshi sunak and president zelensky, is the mechanism for its implementation, which i mean, well, the first, actually, is ratification, because then it becomes a law, which means that under its organizational structure is being adjusted both in ukraine and, accordingly, in great britain. because let me remind you that an analogue, an analogue of such a security guarantee is an act between the government of the united states of america and taiwan, it is called the taiwan relations act, the taiwan relations act, which, not only was it voted and the congress and the senate, then it was also voted on in the parliament of taiwan, so it is , as it were, a document... for two parties, and i would still recommend to ukrainian specialists

who take care of this topic to take this document and look at it, how it is designed. next, if you read the signed agreement, it has a limited time and term. in fact, this is a document about two-year guarantees, and also, if you look at... international norms, then if you take away the ratification, if you understand that such an act does not carry an organizational system provision, then it can be interpreted simply as an agreement between prime minister reshisunak and president volodymyr zelenskyi. there is one more thing that is very important, the problem here is a matter of competence, if you look at this document, it contains in its content components that relate to the powers of the ministry of defense, the cabinet of ministers and the president, there

are things that today are classified as the competences of the president, i.e. in the field of defense policy, are specific, and the figures relating to money and objects are matters of the ministry of defense, well in the extreme case of the cabinet of ministers and so on, that is, all this suggests that at will if... to get guarantees, obviously from the huge volume of these things that were discussed, the key has been lost, and this is not the law for both parties, this is very important, secondly , the parliaments did not ratify it, from here it must be read absolutely clearly, its financial security will be under a big question mark, but from the point of view of political rhetoric, this is a colossal step forward, because... as it is shown, that uk but here a comma is placed next, as a country that

does not belong to the european union, keep that in mind, secondly, it is like a country of the anglo-saxon bloc, of course, because it reads like that, and reads like that, moreover , like a country, which belongs to the so-called copenhagen format, and this is what is included further in... and so on, it is ready to provide appropriate assistance, but at the same time there is a drawback, the essence of which may lie in the fact that only in the period of premieres you are creating a sunak, because if it is not a law, it is just nothing the agreement is certain between two persons, then it can be written exactly like this, and i do not rule out that in some time, after the conservatives leave power, it will be said, then let the conservative... sign, let them fulfill such an agreement, because i i say again, this is not a law, it must be understood from the point of view

of the norms of international, international law, you will tell me that there are even things in international law that speak of oral agreements, these are oral agreements, but they are not reached in matters security, security guarantees, especially since these two words security guarantees, they say that this document... had to comply with the international convention on agreements and treaties, which provides for the mandatory implementation of national constitutional norms. from the point of view of ratification itself, i am not saying this for the first time, i hope that in the future, and perhaps in the case of great britain, at least the ukrainian political leadership will return to this issue and send this document to the parliament for ratification, because i do not i know

for what reasons, i can't understand why what are the reasons for the lack of ratification of... such a document, because from the point of view of information drive, political sounding - this is a great step, it is a great step, another matter is why they did not reach the actual legal basis of the actions of such a document, because you understand when you and i are now being told that in the budapest memorandum you see the wrong word, or the wrong translation, so in relation to this document, we have... we will say that it was not ratified, on the basis of which its implementation certain resources will be issued from the budget of one state, another state, and so on. i completely agree with you, this is an extremely important point, this is a fundamentally important point, and let 's hope that the prime minister of the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland, rishi sunak

, will also take the necessary steps when it comes to working with the british parliament in particular , but... in any case, similar signals demonstrate that certain parameters of what is called a new security agreement for ukraine or a new security format for ukraine, that it what we can expect from those states, countries, blocs that we consider our allies, but currently they are our friends, partners and buddies. the agreement itself , which has already been signed, and the agreements that will be signed in the future, about what... they say that the thesis that we cannot work with nato countries with each cream, because we have to work only with nato in in general, it does not correspond to the truth. this means that it is very important that today we all realize that the issue of regional, continental, global security is

a question that consists of multiple components. in this system. there can already be, it is obvious, bilateral agreements, further, regional agreements, further, continental agreements, global agreements, but they can form a single whole, in fact, this is what you and i talked about more than a year ago, which follows from that, from that new year's christmas message of the british foreign minister at that time. passion in the speeches of the london city hall, when she spoke about the fact that the time of a labile security system is coming, soft? and in fact, if you look at it, these bilateral agreements should be aimed at what, but at ensuring the security of ukraine, at ensuring the security of the countries of central europe, at ensuring the security

of the countries of the european continent, further, at ensuring the security of the countries. of the north atlantic bloc, for the provision of the countries of the euro-russian bloc and for global security, these are actually the components, these components, they should not create a hedgehog in relation to each other, and it is best to choose all this, to systematize, of course, the romshtein format , and here it is very important that, well, at least somehow... in the ramshtein format, for today , we should move on to a conversation on this topic, because even the first thing we talked about with you, it looks like: these are some bilateral industry agreements, because it will be read that way from the point of view, actually, now, and what it has to do with central european

security, absolutely nothing, well, what you and i are talking about is like a morgan's veil, like an intermarium and. two seas, three seas and so on. now, how will it be composed in the system relations in the nato system? and if we add to this that europe today is constantly talking about its own security, moreover, the current exercises conducted by nato, which they testify to, that due to the fact that at least one participant is invited there - this is the united states of america, and the united states of america is today 90% of the security implemented by nato. current exercises show that there is a selected model and legend, which... for 90%, these are actually the countries and states of europe, and literally several destroyers of the united states of america, which of the almost 90,000 personnel

participating in this exercise are present at them, that is, this is already a shot at the model that can be drawn up after the statements of candidate trump that we can withdraw from nato, although it is not there is an answer, and it is obvious that yes... it will not happen, but it is clear that preparations are being made for this, now one more thing, it is necessary to understand that in matters of security, the bilateral relations that ukraine will conclude with nato countries, they must be implemented in the form of specific steps, that is, i will say conditionally, here it goes training, how, conditionally speaking, and not conditionally speaking, realistically speaking, nato will interact with countries that... wish to join nato, well, in particular, such as ukraine. further, how will they interact with those who have already formed as a separate defense alliance,

well, such as, for example, there, ukus, the indo-pacific bloc, which exists separately today, although it is called together in some countries, that's from here it is obvious that one cannot do without formalizing the role played by contact. group, this really pisses me off because i've been through the contact group in minsk, when i hear that ramshtein is called the contact group on matters of providing assistance to the defense of ukraine, well, as they say, to contact the ukrainian classics, it does not mean to decide, you see, and all this indicates that today those who are drawn and those who sit on the button and... european security, and regional, european, and continental, in general and global, they do not quite clearly understand, but how all this will interact with each other, how it

will cooperate, because the holding additional meetings, even online meetings, it does not solve the issue of ensuring the urgent supply of troops with ammunition, armored vehicles, maintenance of all this and so on, so it can be said that for now, if we take the fact that the path that ukraine has started to follow , signing bilateral guarantees on security, and the transition to regional security is not even visible, moreover, i do not see that they understand this problem, because when you listen to people like orban or people like fico, they, what do they think about we will sit here under... nato, and you over there try, but they think so in vain, i will remind them of the trip from suvorov to the alps, it is not clear what he did there, but

keep in mind, monuments to suvorov are still standing all over russia, no one has taken them anywhere, so where can get into the boot of a russian soldier, this is known only to the moscow führer, and this must be understood very well. thank you very much, mr. ambassador, for this extremely important discussion on the air of the tv channel. i want to remind our tv viewers that now roman bezsmertny, a famous politician, worked for them and a diplomat. greetings, this is svoboda live on radio svoboda. we have already come to the snake itself. the following shots may shock you. news from the scene. live drone attacks, kamikaze. political analytics. objectively and meaningfully. there is no political season.

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about a new vision in general. what is called the economic-social-security policy of nato's eastern flank. this story is much bigger than bilateral polish-ukrainian relations, so the meeting took place also symbolically that donald tusk made his first foreign visit as the head of the polish government to kyiv. poland and ukraine are starting to work on guarantees, the so-called agreement on security guarantors. that is, poland joined the statement of the g7 group from vilnius from... the nato summit last year and the development of a bilateral document begins like the document signed by great britain and ukraine during the visit of prime minister sunak in january of this year, this is an extremely important fact, because the government of the previous polish government, the government of morowiecki, did not join this declaration, which was very a sign and a very

alarming signal. that poland withdraws from supporting ukraine. today, this page has already been turned and poland is returning to supporting ukraine in the military aspect, which was confirmed by president zelenskyi, who said that a package of military aid from poland is being prepared. the second result of tusk's visit to kyiv is that a very well-known person, a well-known politician, pavlo koval, has been appointed as plenipotentiary. to poland for the reconstruction of ukraine, well, this means that there is a person , he is extremely favorably disposed to ukraine, a guest at espresso for many years, now the chairman of the foreign affairs committee of the diet, that is, a prominent figure in polish politics, is responsible for this and that person, i think he has ambitions and a desire to develop just this cooperation so that it does not happen declarations filled with real content.

and with regard to the already specific situation with agriculture, with transportation and so on , prime minister shmyhal announced the development here , and he said that a bill is being drafted in the ukrainian parliament on equalizing the rights of polish and ukrainian carriers, i think that this no problem, poland is invited to poland, polish companies are invited to... the construction of the autobahn from kraków to rivne, that is, everything that actually concerns the residents of lviv and the western region, if the autobahn will be built to rivne , it will greatly simplify all transportation in general and so on, this is the second aspect, and the third is related to the fact that work is starting, or in fact , work is already continuing on the issue of agricultural products, the export of ukrainian agricultural products to poland were not this

stumbling block in the bilateral. relations, from what i observe, poland is approaching the adoption of the romanian model, that is , there is an export of agricultural products, but in some part of grain, for example, corn or something, when too much import takes place to poland, then the license system for ukrainian exporters is activated, that is, then you have to go to the ministry and get such a relevant license, i think that this is... on the whole a clear, realistic package of cooperation in those very specific cases that have poisoned our lives for the last six months, or more than six months. so, nothing seemed to be in trouble, so in the relationship between president zelensky and president andrzej duda, then the clouds began to thicken, and accordingly we got several highly significant scandals, well, we understand that the geopolitical page

has been turned. so that's pretty much history, and the second point is, can something like this happen again now? well, let's talk like this, what happened? well, actually, calling a spade a spade, the embargo on agriculture, four types of agricultural products, and before it was on all types, plus blocking the border meant that poland entered into this free trade, trade war with ukraine, that 's what we call a spade, there was a state trade between ukraine and poland . the first trucks are blocked, 600,400 trucks are standing still, they cannot enter ukraine with humanitarian aid, with normal commercial aid there. a component

of military aid to ukraine.