in the middle of the war, we built defense structures and roads, as a result, the first wave of the best infantry in the world, the most motivated, these are the atoshniks, patriots of ukraine, who, in principle , unarmed, in fact with hunting carbines, karamaltuks, went to meet the russian invaders, and some even with cocktails molotov this first wave of our best infantry was buried in ukrainian soil. therefore , he will bear the issue of further responsibility. the one who will take the first strike, so what was the first strike, poor preparation of the armed forces, or not skillful leadership of the army, that's all , and you can put an end to that in principle, but having a great fright after the start of a full-scale invasion, all the politicians, all the security forces who fled there, those who fled, i do not now speak for those who fought heroically, because i know many patrol policemen who were patrolmen once, and were also the first to enter the battle on the approach. the enemy and at the same time i know how

people like vanya bakanov or the so-called dbr immediately fled somewhere there to the lviv or frankiv regions, and when they returned, when the first rush was repulsed when it became clear that the armed forces of ukraine and the ukrainian people were driving the rashists away from the capital, and then the liberation of chernihiv, chernihiv oblast, sumy oblast, kharkiv oblast and the right bank of kherson, i.e. all of this caused the fact that today politicians began to engage in politics, and rating dependent zelenskyi and... applause dependent zelenskyi saw that the trust in the dependent is enormous, that the issue of zaluzhny and the question of the armed forces is being identified, and the ratings of the armed forces and trust in the military are 90% plus, while the inept leadership and political failures, facaps, as well as inept preparation for war, falls precisely on the responsibility of the politicians, those who did it, that's all, everything else doesn't matter, zelensky made a decision.

to release the industrious, under what sauce he will do it, well, that's a different kind of question, we will never know about it, or we will find out after the fact, seeing this decree of the president, if it appears on the president's website. the front will not collapse, servicemen will continue to carry out the orders of their immediate commanders, but frankly speaking, the demoralization and disorientation of the personnel that is happening today, as a result of such bad actions. of the ruling elite, and in particular yermak's office, well, this already has some kind of consequences, because the undermining of trust in the decisions of certain commanders, well, to be honest, you can't think of anything worse. again, zelensky, if he had faberge, he could say, so i have a different vision for the leadership of the armed forces, and zaluzhny, for example, did not cope with such and such a situation, and i am changing him, there was nothing wrong with it, because it would be fair in relation. to the people, but what

can he say that zaluzhny did not cope with zelensky's ratings? well, isn't it nonsense? therefore, such a story is a painful vision of the future, its future is political, and for yermak's office these are very serious risks, because zelenskyi's victory for the second time in the elections does not mean the first cult-campaign of this bunch to the lukyanivsky syzo, well, somewhere i am i see that. mr. mayor, cnn already wrote today. that in fact the issue of zaluzhnyi's resignation has been resolved, and this is the issue a few days, or maybe a few hours , god knows, but in relation to our broadcast, you are talking about the fact that the front will not collapse, that in principle people, as they fought, motivated people, as they fought, will continue to fight, that in in this case, ukraine loses if valery zaluzhnyi resigns from the post of... head of the armed forces

of ukraine? let's be frank: the question of the zaluzhny is not the question of an idol, it is not a question of a person, it is a question of the survival of ukraine, the question of the survival of ukraine is connected with him, he already has it, as they say, by blood and then earned, with our blood, our sweat, his own, as they say, with his strategic plan, he already won't take this victory of ukraine away from him, who? i did not replace him, so in this context i do not consider the surname zaluzhny, only in the context of the fact that, for ukrainians, many ukrainians, it is connected with survival, i do not know who zelensky will marry to this place, i have little i know generals, let's say, of such a level, well, but i know that one of such generals, such as general budanov, who was prophesied for this position, i can't even imagine that, well, relatively speaking, let's be honest. if my education allows

me to command a maximum of a company or a battalion there, then without having strategic thinking to conduct certain operations, i will never in my life command a brigade or, for example, a front there. well , conditionally, okay, it’s still possible in a brigade, if good deputies, literate, give some advice , help and so on, but in the front, well, i wouldn’t pull it, because my education is not enough for that, well, but the platoon commander special forces or the commander of the special forces company, budanov, must have decided that he can do it, because no matter how successful operations such as the liberation of snake island may have been, i have already told many times, this is a small detachment that landed on snake island and suffered losses, yes, at the same time, there were very large losses, almost half of the personnel, if i am not mistaken, according to information there were 16 dead and eight wounded, this is the result of the snake island planned by budanov, not only that, there are other consequences, which, let's say, has the state bureau of investigation will have to figure it out , but on the other hand, if

president zelensky makes a decision, then we will implement it, the question is how well budanov's genius will cope with the global scale of not a 50-man special operation, but in... what will be the consequences of this , so let's put it this way, for me this question is very debatable, well , they said that budanov refused, maybe it was enough not to climb on the fact that, well , you can't do it, even though he refused yesterday, he agreed tomorrow, this is the same question debatable, yes, well, they call it two two persons, this is general syrskyi, general budan, well, general synskyi, for example, i can say that he has this moment... of strategic thinking, how successful or unsuccessful will he be, how much trust will the military have in the decisions of general syrskyi, well i will say frankly, i received my first order precisely at the command of general syrsky during the combat mission near gostomilskyi airport, to advance near hospomynskyi airport and try to

shoot down a russian plane from an anti-tank plane, if such an opportunity arose, well, that is, i did not questioned this order, that is, i said: i listen, took it into account and went to fulfill it. a question of a different kind, how appropriate or inappropriate it was, well, you remember the first days of a full-scale invasion, the question of expediency, intelligence to intelligence, it's something in general, we can now talk about spaceships and about jedi swords, but none the less , be that as it may, the syrian led many major military operations, and let's say this, if you look in some directions, i know the reviews of the brothers who in in principle, for them, let's say, syrsky is a person who commands the land. troops of ukraine. today he is under the command of a servant. which one of them planned which operation, you and i will never know, will we? but it was a consensus decision made by the head committee, and when this decision was made, we followed it. that's all. now the question is, education is enough for him, skill, maybe

enough, but to say that he will be better or worse than a hard worker, well, let's speak frankly. i am not asking the question of the surname now, i now ask the question, with what they connect. on the industrious, it is associated with a strategic plan and with the survival of the country. it has already happened. zaluzhny, she whispered, syrskyi, well, i also know, there is the same nikoliuk, who is now also a general, a very respected hero of ukraine, who personally went out to defeat the russian equipment of zenlav. that is, i know many very brave generals who have the appropriate education, opportunities and knowledge. but today the question is in the last name, which, well, let's put it this way, you, not you... there is no doubt at all who, besides yermak's office, this surname is associated with the survival of ukraine and the repulsion of russian aggression, period, further, the military will carry out orders according to the principle of unity of command in the army in order for everyone to understand, although for me personally i am

fedorovych, well let's say this, i respect him, although i have never met him personally , at the same time, i can't say anything bad against syrsky either, because i 've known him... for a year, and we personally crossed paths with him, you know, and what i have something to say, well we, we know that he is today commanded some or other land operations there, well, what are any questions, if there are any questions, please let people come out and say, now i do not want to contrast one general with another, i only spoke about the negativity on the part of mr. budanov, in which i believe there is no such strategic thinking, why do i think so... this is my subjective point of view, and there are some somewhat objective things that i know from my brothers, some of whom had honor, some not quite the opportunity to fight with budanov, as a special forces officer, there are no complaints against budanov i don’t have any, although the late maksym shapoval had them, well, it’s theirs, you know what

happened in the special forces, he has to die in the special forces, that’s the way it is, so i have no questions or complaints about the special forces, just like about the head of the snake operation, there are , that's all, that's why... the story, i wouldn't want to go into battle under his command, well, let's put it this way, but if there is such an order, well, any serviceman will carry it out, you know, like it, don't like it , well, this is already a question and... discussion, the main thing is that it is not a criminal order, you understand, but to think before receiving an order, whether it is criminal or not, well, i don’t have such powers, you understand, that’s why the military will carry out the order, the soldier carries out the order of his platoon commander, the latter, respectively, the company commander, the latter, respectively, in turn, the battalion commander and vertically, the brigade commander continued to go vertically, the surname, any that falls into these in this chain does not play any role in the execution of the general order, that's all, that's why

we are talking with you now, i'm talking now as a military man, as a politician i can say , i like it, i don’t like it, but i emphasize once again that the reason for the resignation of the serviceman for me, personally, i see it, is the sick rating and applause dependence of zelensky and yermak, who keeps him in a warm bath, but on the other hand, mr. major, if... the resignation of the brave man does take place, it means that all responsibility for what will happen in ukraine, including at the front, will lie on the shoulders of the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine, therefore that if he believes that zaluzhny did something wrong, or did something wrong, then in this case , after zaluzhny's resignation, everything, all questions will now be up to zelensky, right? no, i do not... agree with you, because the questions to zelenskyi will be both in good standing and not in good standing. the issue of

the supreme commander-in-chief is the general issue of our country. supreme commander-in-chief zelenskyi bears his responsibility both in the 21st year, and in the 22nd year and in the 23rd, because that is what he is the supreme commander-in-chief. you can't do that to say that they will change the hard-working one, then everything will fall on zelenskyi. no, it lies with zelensky. failure to prepare for war on zelensky, freezing. missile programs on zelensky , no, there is no decree on mobilization, on zelensky, the lack of a law on mobilization, as well as on zelensky, and on demobilization, the lack of a decree will also lie on zelensky, you understand, because he took this niche upon himself when the president left , don't like it, say i'm tired, i'm leaving, and no responsibility after you leave, you understand, well, he doesn't leave, that's why this story, let's not, you know, connect, smear zelensky until the 23rd year, because he was diligent, no, zelensky

is responsible for everything that he did, the omani meetings are also on zelenskyi, the withdrawal of troops in the town of luhansk is also on zelenskyi, the withdrawal of troops in zolote four is also on zelenskyi, the demining of chongar will also lie on zelenskyi, it does not matter who physically carried out the order, i.e. the order of the supreme to demine. the military says they are going to clear the road, you understand, whose order was the order to withdraw the fourth brigade of the national guard from gostomil airport, well, no, not mine , the truth is, it was probably given by someone , to whom the national guard was subordinate before the war, not to the minister of internal affairs, monastic, monastic, if this order came from zelenskyi , then who should be responsible, the political leadership of the country, it is zelensky, the closed missile program, look, well, korea supplies north korea gives the russians missiles, being under sanctions, they have a missile program, iran,

being under sanctions, has a missile program, we, a space country under zelensky, have closed all missile programs and financing of missile programs, what do you think that i will mention khomchak in this context? no, not khomchak, he was in charge of the armed forces at that time in the 19th year, but it doesn’t matter, it was the decision of the military-political leadership of the country, namely... and his team, so the issue of ending funding of missile programs is not to khomchak, he is an executor, and this question is to zelenskyi, so i emphasize once again that with the change of the names of the heads of committees, the responsibility of the supreme disappears, and she is from nowhere, you know, eternal , yes, she does not disappear from anywhere and does not disappear anywhere, she is, so that is the story, thank you, mr. major, for the conversation, it was a major of the armed forces of ukraine, a special agent ihor. lapin, friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who

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general, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. congratulations. also, mr. general , we ask our tv viewers and guests of our program whether they understand the essence of the claims of the supreme commander-in -chief of the armed forces of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi to the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny, you understand the essence of these claims, you are a military man, you are a general, you were the deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, is everything clear? according to you, well, one thing is clear, that responsibility is being sought for the fact that last year was unsuccessful from the point of view of the execution of tasks, primarily tasks that were performed by the defense forces of ukraine in sukhadol, but in addition, i would like to say that the achievement of the strategic

level last year, in my opinion, were at sea. and were in the air, that is, the results of actions at sea led to the fact that the enemy was forced into his ships and vessels in large numbers to withdraw from the bass on the peninsula, and in general these actions led to the development of economic capabilities, maritime, agrarian industry and the supply of grain and so on, on the one hand, and on the other, in the air , in my opinion, the air force, this type of armed forces in heavy conditions, when the means of air attack significantly exceed our capabilities, still showed its ability to ensure the fulfillment of the tasks of the defense forces of ukraine, both on the front line and in

the territories, although it is clear that we would like to be more effective. and activities both at sea and in air, but for this we need new capabilities, for which, well, the political leadership is fighting. well, that is, you think that the issue is already almost resolved, the issue, i do not think that it will be resolved, quite complex relationships, and i would like to say that the reasons for the unfinished business. in the last year, we in khandol have not only external in terms of the supply of armed equipment, but also between these top officials, because the resource that was collected for counteroffensive actions in one direction, it was dispersed in the first three

directions, bahamud, berdyan and melito. sky, and then added the kherson direction , i.e., since they were allocated to these directions, the offensive, the point of offensive actions was not reached in any of them, and the russians quickly gathered reserves and not only stopped in all these directions, but also organized counter-offensive actions , which continue and enough. i emphasize because this kind of relationship negatively affected the circumstances of achieving results last year. today valery zaluzhnyi wrote a column for cnn, in the morning there was information that zelensky had already decided, as it were, about the future head of the armed forces of ukraine,

and zaluzhnyi published a column there in parallel and wrote... he wrote that in the 24th year , ukraine should focus our main efforts in three directions, the first - the creation of a system of providing our armed forces with high-tech means, the second - the introduction of a new philosophy of training and conducting combat operations, which takes into account the limitations of means and methods of their use, and the third, how to quickly master new combat capabilities, at the same time, he says... diligent ukraine already has the capabilities to destroy the enemy and ensure the existence of statehood, well, these are the plans, short plans, let's say, concise plans. zaluzhny , we know that zelensky tried, as he says , to get zaluzhny's plan of action, well, obviously

the reason for some misunderstandings, including regarding future planning, but we know, mr. general, that putin is now saying that their plans are also being adjusted , that is, we we do not know how our plans are adjusted, because this is a military secret, and in the end it should be known... the political leadership of the state, on the other hand, our opponents in this war, the russian occupiers , say through putin's mouth that they want to create a demilitarized zone in ukraine , and it should be at such a distance that would ensure the safety of russian cities and from shelling. let's listen to what putin said: this line should be at such and such a distance from ours. territory to guarantee security, i mean long-range weapons primarily of foreign production, which the ukrainian authorities use to bombard our cities. i was just talking about what our

guys were doing, let's say, on the avdiiv direction, although the same thing is actually happening all along the line of scrimmage. this is exactly what they are doing, in particular, a group of veterans and other units of regular troops, pushing the enemy away from vital russian population centers. mr. general, i have a question for you, as a person who knows long-range missiles and knows how it all works and at what distance they fly now missiles, when putin talks about the fact that we will create a demilitarized zone, we are talking about what distance, which cannot, which cannot... can be overcome by missiles that will be in the armed forces of ukraine sooner or later at long range. you had a previous question, i would like to answer it, regarding the plans there, the nearest

plan b of zaluzhny, which was requested at the end of last year, that is, at the end of last year, when the situation that we have already discussed with you in passing arose, it is in the fact that the execution of counteroffensives our operations. were actually failed by the ground forces on the dry land, and by this time the enemy had gathered the potential that would allow him to carry out his counterattack actions, and currently the defense forces of ukraine are carrying out a strategic defense operation, not because it was forced, and it had to be done at the end of the summer move to strategic defense, namely why, and because the potential... which was collected at the level of one direction, it, as i have already proved, was distributed, distributed to others, it was, of course, not

enough for such a number, the task was not were carried out, and to talk about what must be done in such conditions is to say something about plan b , which consisted in gathering forces, god forbid, to stop the advance of the enemy, now in fact. along the entire front line from the kharkiv region to the kherson region, this is now the main task of the strategic defense operation, and as for how to carry out the task, and the supreme commander put it on the deoccupation of the lands, that is, actually conducting new counteroffensive operations, the conversation can be conducted only then , when they appear relevant resources that are not currently available. as for foreign policy circumstances, this is the situation, say, in america for aid finally, for example, well, in europe for these funds, but

it is not for military aid, but it is connected here in many ways, that is , a resource is still needed to provide our military-industrial complex, it provides about 8-10% of our total needs for conducting hostilities. that is why it is not up to us to talk about any serious strategic plans in such conditions, and that is why you indicated the three positions that the commander-in-chief speaks to us it must be clearly stated that the purpose of this strategic defense of our operation is to stop the advance of the enemy, the second is to destroy as much of the enemy's equipment and personnel as possible, and the third is to use this. in order to accumulate exactly these capabilities of ours, to be able to introduce, well, to complete the task, to stop this

enemy. and carry out counteroffensive actions, the external factor is important from the point of view of armed equipment, the internal factor we did not perform it last year and still do not perform it, regarding the provision of personnel personnel that we have from the understaffing of our undermanned brigades that are now fighting and from the losses that are certainly in wartime and general understaffing, not to mention what is needed... the personnel to form brigades that would perform in this year, if it is a task, as his supreme commander-in-chief put it, to carry out de-occupation, that is, to carry out counter-offensive actions, everything is connected in this. now, as for demilitarization, this is more of a propaganda trick, putin's, in its third year er, it means the introduction, as they say, of a strategic operation of an actual war.

large-scale, and it must somehow be justified, the goal has not been achieved, not demilitarization, not denizification, but here it is so noble that we must preserve ours, defend our cities, our people and everything else, this is a well-known propaganda trick, and from the point of view of the military, he would formulate something that... it is necessary to move our troops away from our borders to, well, at least to the range of our artillery, barrel and volley fire systems, it can be, well, different approaches, how will it turn out, let's say this, and how will it turn out , and then justify all this with such an approach, that is, about 30 km, well, and even better there up to 70, for example, kilometers, well, you can... for this

, we heroically put our personnel there in the name of such a bright idea, that is , i am once again emphasizing putin's propaganda trick. one more question, at the very end of our conversation: yesterday the deputy secretary of state of the united states of america, victoria nulad, visited kyiv, and at the end of her visit to kyiv, she stated that she is returning with the confidence that... that the russian occupiers will receive surprises on the battlefield soon. let's listen to what victoria nuland said. we continue to provide security assistance in all categories, including new investments and new weapons systems, such as small-diameter bombs, which are already on their way to the front, as well as supporting the revival of ukraine's military-industrial complex, as well as

our own, to ensure that that we... can continue to fight against those who threaten our freedom. i am leaving kyiv today more optimistic about the outcome in 2024 and its absolute strategic importance for ukraine. also, i leave more confident that putin will receive pleasant surprises on the battlefield and that ukraine will be able to achieve a very strong success this year. mr. general, when victoria nuland talks about pleasant surprises, she is talking about... some new weapons that we will receive, well, i wouldn't say new, that is, these two years of war show that mostly the weapons supplied by the allies are very old, like the soviet ones , which was collected around the world, and its own, these countries in the first place, but there were elements modern, but it is not in order to significantly increase, that is, to scale, and then really,

so that ukraine has such capabilities. and in order for these individual elements of the new weapon to actually pass the tests, but it was quite dosed and principled, even if the situation at the front changed, it was not such deliveries that could not be made, so i would very much like to share the optimism of mrs. lunnen in this regard, and even more so that the participation in this formation of these... mystical views of the future was at the expense of military supplies, substantial, large-scale, of modern weapons, and the ukrainian side is capable even in these two years, showed our defense forces to learn and achieve results not at the level of what they do, so that we do not...