there was no other way out, but the most important thing is that there are great expectations, that is, what i see today in the information space, in social networks, there is a very high demand for a diligent politician, and they will not allow him to remain somewhere in the shadows, his, his , actually, his potential electorate, his potential social support group, she will force him. to engage in politics, well, it must be remembered that the same marchuk, he went into politics, that is, into politics, no, when he was the prime minister of ukraine, namely , his political activity was carried out under the slogan the third force, the country needs a third force, a strong hand, that is, a general who is ready to go to the end, although he did not go to the end, because in 1999 it all looked a little differently, or? and we can say

, mr. maksym, that mr. zaluzhnyi already has conditional political power, because the people who are fighting, one way or another, they identify themselves as some kind of force, a separate force that is not political, of course , that the army and politics are different things, especially during the war, but still these people who, who can be... this basis for the future, for zaluzhny's future foray into politics , it is not known when, when this force may appear , it is not known when the elections will be held, it is not known when zaluzhny will be able to protest this, or his entourage, but is it possible to predict that such a project is on time , and again, is this again a trust rating for those who fight?

well, in general, of course, if you take the global, global experience, yes, recent history, including in different countries, then this is a classic of the genre, that is, a popular general enters politics with his team, and so to speak, the military, security forces are beginning to play a leading role in the political arena, but this is typical of, well, let's say, not very developed. country, this is characteristic of young democracies, which, including , are unlikely to become democracies, that is, it is very uncharacteristic for ukraine, the military, actually, the military elite has never been a political subject in our country, unlike, for example, the same turkey, where since the time of atatürk , the military has been, well, very influential , very influential. reason, with which

only now somewhere did erdoğan start to cope there 100 years after they strengthened and established their positions. this is not the case in ukraine, therefore, answering the question directly, it seems to me that in his professional environment, zaluzhny is unlikely to find his political team. it is certain that it will be structuring. according to traditional ukrainian political cleavages, as it is called in political science, or divisions, and simply a certain part of the ukrainian political, administrative, of the business elite, which er, well, which has traditional methods, traditional interests and traditional political positioning, that is, i see exactly such a scenario as the most likely, it is unlikely that it will be... gatherings of generals, i

would say so. next week, mr. maksym, the verkhovna rada of ukraine should start considering the updated draft law on mobilization, but the question of mobilization is called one of those cornerstones that did not allow zelensky and zaluzhny to find common points of contact there. zaluzhnyi, they say, wanted to mobilize and named the number of people, whom they wanted to recruit. to the army of 500,000 men, in fact, the same zaluzhny spoke about the fact that it will not be simultaneous, that it will be stretched over time, but one thing is clear now, that the bill on mobilization, it will be quite difficult for zelensky himself, because if he will not participate and will not be the leader of this process, as the supreme commander, then there are a lot of questions for him... as

the supreme commander, precisely for the supreme commander, because it is his sphere of competence, if he will think about his political future and will do something with this law. be such that it will not allow its implementation, i don’t know, it may simply be that this law is not signed, like the unsigned law on lowering the age threshold for the mobilized, i.e. from 27 to 25, this law is also not signed by zelensky, how much is this political the appropriateness or inappropriateness of the presidential team will influence the mobilization. respectively, on the course of the russian-ukrainian war, because we understand that the finalization depends on this, or let's say, the intermediate finalization of the russian-ukrainian war. sir, in general , this whole story with this draft law itself and

the story with this concept of mobilization and so on, it causes a lot of support. question, that is, when it all started, i had a question, well, could it have been worse to do, in terms of information, this whole campaign, than the way it was done, that is , at first there were videos about how the tsc employees there they grab people on the street, shove them into buses, and, that is, first there was a compromise of the tsk, then there were... rumors swirled about some draconian norms of the future law , they were spread at the level of rumors, then a discussion began between zelenskyi and zaluzhny, that is , it is difficult to imagine the worst scenario of promoting or selling such a law to society

, the question also arises regarding the necessity, that is, mobilization has been announced in our country, as you know, on the 20th. . on february 4, 2022, and no one prevented or forbade the next wave of mobilization, that is, there are different ones, they explained to us all the time that there is a strategy, certain specialties and so on and so forth, there is a certain plan, and here suddenly everything is suspended, everything depends on the adoption of some law, in which very ambiguous norms, which either... will work, or will not work, all this is more similar, if you sum it up to some kind of political technology, that is who launched such a political technology and what it is, what it is leading our society to, i

still do not clearly see, that is, it is either a ready lowering of society's expectations, which should not be, well, we remember. as we all thought about the great victory that was about to come, about our huge superiority over by the russians on the battlefield and so on, but this is the story with this mobilization, it seems to me that it very significantly lowered the expectations in ukrainian society and so on, and perhaps even brought us closer to peace negotiations or to another way of freezing this conflict, well that such a conspiracy, but... but what can be said is already on the surface today, this is actually the last article by general zulzhny in the economist, which spread through cnn and was later quoted a lot in social networks,

says that we need a technological advantage, we need a technological breakthrough, and to some extent it already is... a shift of attention and a shift of emphasis from mobilization to the defense industry, let's say, because of how this situation with the law on mobilization will develop and how it will be related, for example, to history the relationship between zelenskyi and zaluzhnyi, today it is difficult to say, but we can already see a certain, certain plot twist, i would say so, in this story, and maybe... this draft law will not have such a fateful character, as it seemed to us a month ago. thank you, mr. maxim, it was maksym rozumny, political expert, doctor of political sciences. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our

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passed under the sign of general zaluzhnyi. will go whether he will go into politics or not in the future is unknown, but the fact that we see support, both in social networks and in society, for general zaluzhny, probably indicates that the trust rating for zaluzhny is... is a rating of confidence in the armed forces of ukraine. today there was a meeting of the supreme commander-in-chief, zaluzhnyi spoke there, reported on the situation at the front, as reported by the office of the president of ukraine, the question of his resignation was not on the supreme commander-in-chief's table. in your opinion, is this resignation delayed in time or this one there will be no resignation, or after testing, conditionally speaking. informational testing of the society

, it's just that the commander-in-chief will just refuse it, well, i will say that i don't understand the hype around the rate from the beginning, because the rate is not authorized to consider these matters, and the president does not need the opinion of the rate in order to pass these or those the decision, that is , it is already a question of legislation and certain precisions, i think that it was heated, that... what is brought under what is under the event of the stake and what the president should become there to announce that i'm changing the commander-in-chief, i don't think that's going to happen in the end, so actually that 's an open question, i think, to some extent, because let's just say, i think there are some differences of opinion further approaches to the conduct of hostilities and to the concept of these hostilities and to... to the assessment of the campaign, how it should be based on the resources that we currently have, or on which we

count and so on, a whole set of questions, perhaps from these issues will be understood and agreements will be reached absolutely the president of ukraine, and volodymyr zelenskyi and the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, general zaluzhnyi, well, let's put it this way, these disagreements are certain from the point of view that they sometimes arise even in public. it's noticeable, actually, and it's also noticeable in terms of some military-political assessments of the situation and so on, so i think that 's still an open question, for how long it 's really hard to say, whether in the short term or more long-term, to date, this intrigue may be preserved in a certain way, although i think not it is excluded that she will leave the information... space somewhere, but here is the question, you understand, here is not only a question of resignation or not resignation, here is a question of

understanding, assessing the situation and moving in the same direction, that is what is important, that is, unity extremely important, because there may not be a resignation, but if there is a situation of misunderstanding and disagreement on certain fundamental issues, this is also not the best kind of interaction and cooperation, as it seems to me, well... but if, let's say, we look at this situation , there is civil leadership, political leadership, there is the military leadership, well, during the war , in principle, apparently, the military leadership has more competence than the civilian one, the question is not in the competence, well, in order to assess whether the narrower is doing the right thing or wrong, the question is that if we move to nato, then i want to remind you that what some military people do not like, i know it is not very impressive when we have the role of the ministry of defense or something else, but this is how our

legislation is written in accordance with nato standards. if we want a different system, we want a system management and, for example, there, as in russia or in other states, then we must clearly say that we abandon the goal of joining the north atlantic alliance. decision-making, you see, is a very difficult thing from the point of view that... and for all actions, for any actions, the first person, the supreme commander, will always be responsible, and on his shoulders all the responsibility, both civil and military, if... there were not and so on, and therefore, of course, that understanding and evaluating the complex of this responsibility, and certain the decision is not made, well , strictly speaking, this is also a question of delimiting the function of power, and i want to say that those who talk about the fact that there are soldiers who understand, i want to tell you, there are historical examples that

do not always testify in favor of the management of military affairs. the state, the management of military affairs, yes, but the examples of the whole state are different. let's return to what is currently happening in russia, because the internal expectations and internal discussions surrounding the military leadership of ukraine distracts from what putin himself declares, because this week he announced that he will create a demilitarized. between russia and ukraine, and the state department of the united states of america, reacting to the idea of ​​a russian dictator, said that for this russia needs to demilitarize the occupied parts of ukraine. shall we listen to this statement? there is no such statement, i am told, the very fact

that putin says that there is a demilitarized zone that will protect russian cities and russian territory from gunfire of the armed forces of ukraine, from missiles, from drones, everything else, but on the other hand, mr. oleksandr, if we have long-range missiles, then it turns out that the demilitarized zone will be the size of the whole of ukraine. well, yes, well, this is, strictly speaking, an aspiration, that is, putin has once again confirmed his ambitions. the goals of the aggressive military campaign of the war against ukraine, that demilitarization is needed, that is, he does not depart from this, moreover, well, in general , i connect this statement right now with such three points. however, note that reuters acknowledges that how ukrainian drone strikes for two weeks have reduced exports

of russian oil and the oil and gas industry is significant. and this is the assessment of reuters, that is, this assessment is not only ours, that is, it is an assessment in general , ah, of a neutral media, that is, a neutral party, and therefore it seems to me that this is an important moment, they began to educate russia, and in this way putin recognizes increasing the ukrainian capabilities and capabilities already in striking, i.e. increasing the capabilities of our defense forces, which implement a successful application strategy. strikes on the russian oil and gas industry, their industry in general, and because i well remember putin's reaction to the strikes at that time, remember, in may 23, they tried to attack the kremlin spire and so on, well, he said so, well, you think, something flew over there and so on, he didn't say anything else, it's obvious that it hurt them, and it's obvious that these questions are being asked, they

became more urgent, this is the first moment, the second moment... it seems to me that putin used this factor for what they say look, well, the war is like a defensive one here, we have to defend ourselves, we have to defend ourselves even more, because drones are being fired at us, so let’s have a family in danger and let’s consolidate and continue, and this is just against the background of the election campaign, a statement that we will continue to work on demilitarization, create a demilitarized zone, and so on and so on, that is , there are three components in this direction, which, actually, as i think, explain it , but first, in the first place, this is what i would say, here is this one putin's statement is a confirmation that the strikes on their oil and gas facilities are a move in the right direction, which means that it is definitely necessary to move along this path,

the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, valery zaluzhnyi, in his column for... cnn emphasized on problems with ammunition at the front, in particular due to the imperfect system of weapons production in ukraine. what zaluzhny wrote: we remain limited by the imperfection of the regulatory and legal framework in our country, as well as the partial monopolization of the defense industry, this leads to bottlenecks in the production of, for example, ammunition, which further deepens ukraine's dependence on allies in matters of supply. well, ukraine reported. to the allies, which is facing a critical shortage of artillery shells, as russia uses three times more firearms on the front every day, this is already written by bloomberg. the issue of ammunition, the issue of weapons. is quite relevant in 2024, no less than the question of mobilization or the question of the future commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, observing the last

by the decisions of the european union and our western european partners, what can you say, mr. oleksandr, whether the ukrainian army and ukraine will fall into these political scissors. struggle, including in the united states of america, and whether everything will be enough to deter the russian invaders, because this is what we are talking about right now. first, it must be said that despite everything, the production of shells and ammunition in europe will increase. well, this was confirmed by the head of the european commission, ursula funderlajen. she said clearly about what is now additional ones are signed. contracts and production will be, that is, at least when we talk about europe, a demonstration of the efforts of the countries of the european union, that they are really increasing production volumes, and this

is confirmed, that is , this issue, it remains on the agenda, the only thing here that it is worth understanding that the issue of increasing production and increasing it is always a matter of time as well, and this is a moment, unfortunately, from which there is nowhere... to go, because in order to systematically increase now, it really takes a certain amount of time, and you you see what the plans that exist, they are calculated so that next year the production of projectiles will exceed 2 million, this year 1,200, 102,000 projectiles will be produced by european countries, that is, it will actually be increased for three years and there in the future, maybe even up to 3 million, this is only in the european union. well, the ordinary united states is also important here, because if we are talking about a million 200 for this year only by europe, well, if the united states joined with funding and with all

the possibilities, maybe it would be 1,500, and that too, well, let's put it this way, completely another number, and further build-up, that is, this process continues, we have now entered a difficult moment when we received a large number of weapons that were in warehouses in european countries. and we used it, well, to a great extent, because the war is quite intense, we all know that. and now the moment when it starts, production has already started, and we have to wait, that's how they build up. and, by the way, we are now competing in this with the aggressor state, with russia, because they have declared an increase in the production of projectiles, but putin is going to north korea, that is, putin will ask north korea for shells, because their production is also not up to speed, and we are competing. we have now also entered the stage from the point of view of the competition here, who will increase faster, in total europe and the usa are able

to do it faster than russia and north korea, but of course, the key issue for this now is still the united states and the aid package at $61 billion because the usa has a significant production of 155mm, but now it's... the question, well, we know, it as well as financing and politics , and south korea, if the united states could be convinced, it is now the top, it is among the top ten producers, this country, in particular, of shells and other types of weapons that we would also need, by the way, today the politicians wrote an edition about the fact that ukraine has also announced and will increase the production of projectiles, well, this is also what the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, general zaluzhnyi, says that this should be done. well, we all understand, obviously, there is no need for any kind of argumentation, why it should be done, complications transition to 155 mm as well, we didn’t

use it before and we didn’t produce on 155 mm, but now it has already started, well actually since the end of last year, since the beginning of this, well there are many questions, why we didn’t prepare for this, this is the first , there is another question before that, why is europe not waiting for this? and why europe did not think that there would be such a big war, and that they might have to fight with russia, as they say now, that is, all the stocks of ammunition in western europe have been taken by us, or partially, and their production does not have enough ammunition to even already provide for themselves, that's how you can explain how the special services are western. the special services could not predict this, well, the point is, the point is, you understand that everything is very simple, no one calculates,

the europeans still do not calculate. that they need artillery as a decisive means, they are well aware of the plans of the cold war and know that a breakthrough in europe was possible, and the soviet plans provided for the use of tactical nuclear weapons, without the use of tactical nuclear weapons the soviet union did not consider the possibilities and the chances of actually breaking through the line there, the corridor in the fulda area of ​​germany, and also breaking through to the exit to denmark, as they planned for...blocking the baltic sea, and then to the south actually through the balkans and further or to france, that is, they did not consider the scenario that it will not be possible to break through other than with the help of tactical nuclear weapons, so the event considered the scenario of the active use of aviation in the doctrine of airland battle in order to counter and strike, which is where the idea to develop a10 attack aircraft came from. salespeople,

the so-called american, it was the idea that the west decided that they could not compete with the soviet union then in artillery and in tanks, and had to compete with air strikes, and so they considered that if the soviet union resorted to the use tactical nuclear weapons, for example, with their tulips, artillery means, the west will respond with tactical nuclear weapons, aviation, and will strike at them, and accordingly i understand... all the concepts that followed, they did not foresee the large use of artillery, from so and not produced, that's why it was planned that way, the conduct of hostilities, but i will tell you that history shows that this very approach that i said, that the west monitored and assessed the degree of threat earlier in the cold war, and now they evaluate already differently, and they rethink, and they are able to

bend quite quickly. to adapt to the changes that arise, and therefore, if now the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, general zaluzhnyi, writes that drones play a role, and, for example, robotic systems play a role, they also read it, they are also watching, they are monitoring , they are studying the ukrainian experience , and they will adapt it in themselves, and they will produce more, it's just that it's a matter of time, and one more short question, if you can in a minute, give me an answer, dprk. ordered, the kimchinin in kander ordered to intensify the preparation of the navy for war, is there a possible development of events there? now no, in fact, the activation is clear, they are waiting for putin, and the dprk now wants russia to help them improve their own fleet, especially as far as submarines are concerned, submarines of the program, underwater torpedoes and

missiles that can potentially be carriers. nuclear warhead, and it seems to me that it is precisely in this context that it is now a check, an assessment, because they are waiting for serious help from russia, that is exactly what it is, thank you, thank you, mr. oleksandr, it was oleksandr musienko, friends, we are working live on the tv channel , as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, if you are watching us there now, please like this video, subscribe to our pages, and vote in our poll, we ask you today about this, do you have a problem with freedom of speech, this poll will be in the second part of our program, now we will look at the interim results of this poll, 87% yes, 13 no, these are the results of the television poll, in the second part of our programs , we will have a journalism club, our guests will be bohdan butkevich, oleksiy mustafin and tetyana vysotska, this journalism club will start literally 15 minutes after the bbc news release, wait, stay with

us. against the background of rumors about a possible resignation commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhnyi published an article on the cnn website. we analyze what is written and analyze how the events inside the country are seen in the west. this is bbc ukraine, i'm olga polamaryuk. from warm words to disagreements between the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine and the president, at a time when general zaluzhnyi's vision of war is being actively discussed in the west, president zelenskyi's entourage is looking for his replacement. the past week for ukraine was quite...