we ask you about the following: are there problems with freedom of speech in ukraine? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, and if you have an opinion , besides the answer, yes, no, write them under this comment, and those who are watching us on tv now, pick up your smartphone and vote if you believe that there are problems with freedom of speech in ukraine, 0.800 211 381, no 0800 211-382, all calls. these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. and we have our first guest valentin nalyvaichenko on the phone, people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service of ukraine. mr. valentin, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. valentin, let's start with the delayed resignation of zaluzhny, because this is how cnn presents the situation around the chief. by the armed forces

of ukraine, just a few minutes ago there was a message that the supreme commander-in-chief's rate had ended, but the question of zaluzhny's resignation was not raised at this rate of the people's supreme commander-in-chief, the rate of the supreme of the supreme commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, there were issues of drones, there were issues of shells. the situation at the front, fortification and energy, well, actually , those are the questions, why, according to your information, we do not hear any reaction about whether they will remove zaluzhny or not , because zaluzhny reported on the position of the supreme commander about the situation at the front, and frankly speaking, the current status is unclear. will he be

retired or not? let's start with the main, from the commander-in-chief, from the armored forces of ukraine, general zaluzhny, imagine how for the second day, almost the third, there was a wave around him, who made it, no , even now it is not really clear, but he and the armed forces of ukraine to carry out combat tasks day and night, what they are doing and honor and praise to them, i will say that... the international reaction yesterday was quite serious and not only in the press, and not so much, regarding possible plans or possible intentions to release zaluzhny, and all international the partners of the anti-putin coalition expressed themselves clearly against the weakening of the vertical of the military leadership in ukraine, and i want to professionally explain on your air, serhiy , that the supreme commander-in-chief is the president , the commander-in- chief is the hard worker, the general staff and the armed... forces, commanders of the

military branches, this is the military vertical of ukraine , it is supported on this vertical by nothing else, it is supported by the military leadership, the armed forces, all branches of the military, our defense and our counter-offensives and every, every day of the operations of our military, so to remove one component from this vertical with of this rod is to collapse the vertical rod, it is not in our interests to do so, moreover, it does not correspond to our national defense and security interests, and thirdly, what i have already said, and i confirm, international partners are also against the fact that in ukraine out of the blue, to please someone, well, it is not beneficial to anyone except the aggressor, by the way, to suddenly weaken the military vertical, this is no joke, i am a professional person, i tell you that this is not bureaucracy, it is not officials, not the government, no... .. you know,

deputies, this is a military command, and there the vertical should be reinforced concrete, which works, and the last thing, before appointing any military leader and after the appointment , the main criterion for his suitability or non-suitability for the position is the trust of the military personnel themselves, troops, from the company, company, battalion, brigade and so on, trust in this commander, if there is such trust, then they will go to battle for him and with him, if not, then... nothing will happen, zaluzhnyi has such trust, he has a steel character, and it is in the interests of ukraine, our defense interests, to make it military the command was working, and today there was a bet, indeed, among five questions, one of the questions was reported by the commander-in-chief, general zaluzhnyi, and it is good, and it is firm, and such strength must be preserved, at least in the military leadership. mr. valentin, but why in this case, when the entire world press writes, citing... their sources in the ukrainian

government, about the possibility of such a resignation, because the washington post, and the time, and the economist and the financial times, these are quite serious publications . they will never publish any information that would be of such a tabloid nature, that is, they have serious sources, they are always serious about the dissemination of such information, why after the appearance of such information, volodymyr zelenskyy did not make at least some minimal statement that the government is both political and military in ukraine the only one, as never before, that we all go together to victory and that there are no problems, and what appears outside the borders of... ukraine, or, let's say, even in ukraine, is part of the information and psychological special operation there, in which russia is interested. i don't know why it isn't made by the president of ukraine, i will tell you that the most important thing for our tv viewers

to understand is that it is clear that both at the stake meetings and in the command itself, there are even in the general staff, it is not like that, you know, that they drank tea with or without sugar sugar, everything is fine. we smiled and parted, no, there is a war going on, and there are certainly quite sharp discussions, quite painful decisions have to be made every day and every night, there are painful losses, there are, but the main thing is victory, victories and the desire and understanding of how to move forward, and by the way, yesterday, you mentioned cnn, yesterday cnn published an article by general zaluzhny about how he sees new approaches to waging war in... warfare with new technologies our commander-in-chief sees, and by the way, the reaction to this position of general zaluzhny in the world is very positive , our international partners from the anti-putin coalition did not just read it, they perceived it as: well, the ukrainians know what to do,

the military team in ukraine knows what to do, and by the way, today’s bid, headed by the president of ukraine zelenskyi, confirms that the entire leadership of ukraine. the entire stake takes care of these issues and deals with them, well, you briefly mentioned, let's remind you once again, the production of drones in ukraine, the production of artillery shells in ukraine and international supplies, fortifications, this is really a matter for the government, but in my opinion, when the military leader, the commander-in-chief has a plan, has understanding, and most importantly, modern approaches to protect the country and knock out the aggressor from our country. territories, this is the commander-in-chief that our armed forces need and we need ukraine. well, maybe today in his evening address, volodymyr zelenskyi will mention, including the situation with personnel in the armed forces of ukraine, because after all

, questions remain about valery zaluzhny, and not, i don’t know, how about him personally, but there are the feeling is that believe me very much. this is an unfinished story, that is, it is not finished, but postponed in time, because we periodically see this story in various modifications, whether through the people's deputy mariana bezuglu, or through the people's deputies from the servant of the people, that is, constantly, constantly this tension, which is obviously there, and it cannot be, because there is a war and it is clear that everyone is on their nerves, everyone is nervous, everyone understands that a lot is at stake. not only the political future of one figure or another, at stake is the statehood of ukraine, the future of the ukrainian people and our victory, and in this case, god grant that everyone has enough sense to understand that

the future of all of us depends on their unity. mr. valentyn, i will say very briefly only about the deputies, serhiy, the deputies need less to be nervous, work harder and support the armed forces of ukraine more. absolutely true, er, over the past few weeks we have been observing successful special operations of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine, this week the russian missile boat ivanovits was struck and destroyed by direct hits of six magura v5 type marine drones - i talked about it. kyrylo budanov, this missile boat was a rather serious combat unit, armed with four missile systems and could hit targets within a radius of up to 130 km. well, in parallel with this, the air forces of ukraine struck the bilbek airfield in

the occupied crimea, where they eliminated the russian general oleksandr tytarenko, well, with a ukrainian surname, you see, a russian general, by the way, they write about this in the russian public, it is reported that two ... rockets hit the command post of the 38th fighter aviation regiment, and another rocket attacked the airfield's communications post. the russians acknowledged the impact of three planes and the death of one person. composition, taking into account our successes in the southern direction, in the crimean direction, does this mean , mr. valentin, that the main efforts of the defense forces of ukraine are directed specifically to crimea, because crimea is the sore point of both putin and the russian army in general, without which, in fact, all other plans and. .. theirs in ukraine will fall apart. it really is, this is the most painful

place of the aggressor and putin personally, and the special operations of military intelligence and the ministry of defense, which had really significant success in the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea, this is really what demoralizes the enemy, demoralizes this entire occupation, which they have been trying to fix there over the years, and what's more, it casts great doubt on how long they will be able to hold on there temporarily. i predict and say that the more high-precision weapons and the effectiveness of such special operations will increase, and not only military intelligence, but i emphasize the armed forces of ukraine, and this will lead to more sensitive and painful blows to the aggressor on the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea and in the water area black and azov seas. this is a strategically important direction for us. together however, i would not say that for the armed forces

of ukraine, and indeed for our entire defense, the focus has shifted only to the south. in fact, the battles are very difficult, the situation is difficult in the avdiyiv direction, in the maryansky direction, the kharkiv direction is tense, our armed forces are heroically holding on, repelling even what the enemy or aggressor sometimes manages to seize temporarily. it's not easy. work and i will say that the entire front now, it is more than 1000 km, is not easy for the armed forces of ukraine, especially during such weather conditions, but one must give credit that what the more modern weapons arrive, the stronger and more effective our troops are, our armed forces manage to hold the defense and go on the counteroffensive, meanwhile, the chief of the general staff of the armed forces of romania giorgii. this government believes that romanians should prepare for the possible spread of russian

aggression, since putin will resort to escalation after victory in ukraine. let's listen to what the chief of the general staff of the armed forces of romania said. yes, the population of romania, like the entire population of the european union, should be worried, and we should take appropriate measures measures to be prepared. i personally, not necessarily a military person, believe that the russian federation will not stop there. if he wins in ukraine, the main target will be the republic of moldova. we will witness tensions in the western balkans. i am more than certain that president putin will resort to escalation in the near future. at the same time, romanian prime minister marchal chalaku called for calm. romania will not join... any war, he stressed, well, the question here is not whether romania will join the war or not, whether

russia is at war with romania, let's start with the main thing, that romania is also a nato member country, and all nato member countries, and there are now 32 of them, 32 sweden will definitely join the alliance in the near future, all nato member countries have understood that russia is not just a potential threat, but an actual one, all nato member countries have understood that... it is necessary to update and upgrade weapons, ammunition to protect their territory, and thirdly, all nato countries not only understood, right now, today, including conducting combat exercises , very much a large amount troops, including naval forces, air forces, various countries, nato members, but along the entire russian border, and i will tell you that starting from finland in the north, to romania in the south, the entire ... flank of nato understands that russia really threatens and is

an aggressor. therefore, by the way, the anti-putin coalition, the most serious support from these countries for us, for ukraine and for the armed forces of ukraine. they all clearly understand the strategic military dimension: if ukraine stands up, this flank of nato will stand up. otherwise, their chances are extremely high minimal, and escalation is indeed possible. will only continue, but all this encourages our partners to help us, to help us more, and you see how european countries, nato member countries, which are located. in europe they help , approve budgets and will help all this year, including our defense, our armed forces, produce more weapons, supply us with air defense, and i think that next week at the exit we are waiting, including a decision after all and the us congress, and this is already serious, and it is already on

all year ahead, such serious support for the armed forces of ukraine, to repel russian aggression from our borders. and from the borders of nato and the eu. mr. valentin , can you, as a professional, explain how it happened that europe did not expect such a big war with ukraine, and what the readiness of europeans for such a war, or rather the unpreparedness of that amount of weapons , lacks that amount of ammunition, and that is, they are now trying to make up for it very quickly, isn't it that their intelligence and their... did the analytical data not calculate such an option? i think that this is a really huge problem and a huge mistake, because their intelligence and european special services, primarily nato, did not fully calculate that such russian aggression is possible, that such a use by the aggressor russia

putin of such a number of missiles, bombs, artillery weapons. starting not only from its territory, but from the territory of the republic of belarus. i remind you that the full-scale invasion took place from the territory of two countries, in fact, russia and belarus is against us. this is something that was not calculated , they also admitted it, and we clearly understand, but now, i will tell you that the situation has changed fundamentally, no one doubts anymore whether to do or not to do, they take it and do it, no one doubts whether to support or not support ukraine, take and support. thank you, mr. valentin, for the conversation, it was valentin nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service of ukraine. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube platforms and facebook. for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook. please like this video to help it trend on these platforms. well,

vote in our survey, today we ask you about whether there are problems in ukraine. with freedom of speech, yes , no, everything is quite simple in youtube, if you are sitting in front of the tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote, if you think there are problems with freedom of speech in ukraine , 0800 211 381, no, 080 211 382, all calls to these the numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, then we will be in touch with maksym rozumny, political expert to... doctor of political sciences, mr. maksym, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today , good evening, a really good evening, because the position of the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine has ended, the question of zaluzhny's resignation from the position of the head of the armed forces was not there, zaluzhny himself reported on the situation at the front,

but over the past five days we have witnessed quite a lot... supported information attacks or the active dissemination of this information about a possible resignation is gratuitous. we are talking not only about ukrainian social networks or the ukrainian environment, but also about the world media, which wrote that in fact the fate of zaluzhnyi has already been decided, you, as a political expert, how do you perceive all this? dances around the possible resignation of the zaluzhny, who in this situation should put an end to these dances, and in what way should people calm down, well, at least think a little about the future of ukraine? well, of course, those who have some kind of insider information from the depths

of the president's office, from... the council of national security, defense, they could probably give a more accurate answer, i can only have versions, the first version, well , it's kind of bad for ukraine, and she says that president zelensky and his team have great, so to speak, jealousy of a political nature, jealousy of valery zaluzhny's popularity, and in connection with... this is why they really made a decision to remove him from her office such a popular position in which he, in which in this position commander in chief he can strengthen his authority and remain an influential , so to speak, figure in the domestic, including the political arena, perhaps if this is so, then it is

bad, and bad from many points of view, firstly, it is bad for the moral spirit of the ukrainian people, that is, zaluzhny became one of the symbols of ukrainian. and one of the symbols of our hope that we will be able to overcome this rush, that we are successful, that we are strong, that we are smarter and so on, well, the hard worker actually confirms not only by actions, even their theoretical ones the statements that he publishes there in recent articles, on the one hand, on the other hand, it is bad for the president's team, the team... the current ruling team, because there are many, well, actually, not many, but there are precedents in ukrainian politics when such an attempt

to eliminate a political competitor, in fact, he never declared his political ambitions, it is such a conspiracy in the bowels of the president's office, if it exists, well, we remember how yevhen marchuk entered the political arena there, first yevhen marchuk, then viktor. but after such high-profile resignations, they actually became political figures, that is, it is bad and it can also end for them in a political sense, not to mention how much it can disorganize and demoralize the ukrainian army, i would say so, the team, the team of our victory, i would call it that, but the other version is that it is such a political techno. geek games that supposedly release, supposedly don't release, throw in one piece of information, another piece of information, there was information about there, well

, the last one, this is the last drop there about what abuses alcohol, there we remember these posts of one deputy about it, that is , systematic discrediting is going on, that is, it is not such a disruption of the situation. not resignation , not a collapse, but some kind of, perhaps even more dangerous , successive destruction of authority, bringing the person himself to a kind of insecurity, to a decrease in charisma, and this is also bad for the country and for the states, well, you correctly mentioned marchuk and yushchenko , because in principle, well... there was a similar scenario, kuchma, however, did it much faster and lightning fast, regarding resignations, that is, he is there i didn’t think much, in this situation, i

understand that the current team, it is oriented towards sociology and, well, they look at everything in a cinematic way, that is, they measure every day, they make some sociological measurements, and accordingly there and go forward. you mentioned that zaluzhnyi did not declare his political ambitions, but if this resignation happens, regardless of what mariana bezugla wrote about him, i think that 90% of people do not even know what bezugla wrote about about zaluzhnyi, i think that in a situation where the hard worker is removed from office, he will already be zelensky's competitor in the... political field, i'm not even talking about the presidency, because again, we don't know which of the hard workers is the political leader , we do not know what kind of presidential candidate he can be there,

we know that he is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, that he is fulfilling his task, there is still an army that he leads, and for two years he has proven himself to be a good commander-in-chief, whether it matters at all now let's talk about whether one of the leaders of the people's trust will be there, because the rating is political, it depends on the people's trust, whether he will be outside the armed forces, or whether the rating of trust in the leader is the rating of trust in the armed forces. well, yes, we're talking on this hypothetical plane, but since this has already been written about by fairly authoritative, western sources from... who have significant access to information from the president's office itself, from the president's entourage, i think the probability that

in one way or another... in one way or another , they will try to remove the poor man from leadership positions any, it is quite large, so this hypothetical situation, it looks very convincing, and therefore it is worth considering, so we can say that in the event that there is such a gambit, such an exchange of pieces, and the lucky one will find himself outside his... natural the position of the commander-in-chief of the ukrainian armed forces, then he will have to become, due to many circumstances, well, if he does not personally make very strong resistance, then he will one way or another become an opposition politician, in fact, marchuk did not plan to become public either

a politician, he himself became the prime minister. politics, he had no other choice, but the most important thing is that there are great expectations, that is, what i see today in the information space, in social networks, there is a very great demand for a diligent politician, and he will not be allowed to remain somewhere in the shadow of his ... according to him , actually his potential electorate, his potential group of social support, it will force him to engage in politics, well, we must remember that the same marchuk, he went into politics, that is, into politics, not at that time, when he was the prime minister of ukraine, namely , his political activity was carried out under the slogan of the third force, the country needs a third force, a strong hand, that is, a general who

is ready to... go to the end, although he did not go to the end, because in in 1999, it all looked a little differently, can we say, mr. maksym, that mr. zaluzhnyi already has conditional political power, because the people who are fighting, one way or another, they identify themselves as some force, a separate force that is not political, it is clear that the army and politics are different things, especially during war, but still these people who can be this basis for the future, for the future campaign of zaluzhny in politics, it is not known when, when this force may appear, it is not known when there will be elections, it is not known when zaluzhny will be able to protest this , or his entourage, but is it possible to predict that

such a project... is on time, and again, this is again a rating of trust in those who are fighting, well , in general, it is of course, if you take the world, world experience there, yes , recent history, including in different countries, it is a classic of the genre, that is, a popular general enters politics with his team, and, so to speak, the military, the security forces, begin to play a leading role in the political arena, but this is typical of, well, let's say, not very developed countries, this is typical young democracies, which, including, are unlikely to become democracies, that is, it is very uncharacteristic for ukraine, the military actually, the military elite has never been a political subject in our country, unlike, for example,

the same turkey. where since the time of atatürk , the military has been a very influential force a very influential corporation, with which erdoğan only now began to deal with it , 100 years after they strengthened and established their positions. there is no such thing in ukraine, therefore, answering the question directly, it seems to me that in his professional environment, he is unlikely to find his political team, it is certain that it will be structured according to traditional ukrainian political cleavages, as it is called in political science, or divisions, and simply a certain part of the ukrainian political, administrative, business