are free, i want to introduce the guests of today's studio, today i have journalists as guests, and these are my colleagues, bohdan butkevich, tv and radio presenter, bohdan, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you, i congratulate you, mr. serhiy, your viewers, tatyana vysutska, our correspondent in european structures, mrs. tetyana, good evening, congratulations, sergey, good evening, thank you for participating in the program, oleksiy mustafin, historian, publicist, tv. producer, mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. good evening. well, since we, colleagues, ask our viewers whether there are problems with freedom of speech in ukraine, i will also ask you so that our tv viewers understand what the journalists themselves actually think about freedom of speech and what situations we work with you. bohdan, please. i believe that they definitely exist for that simple reason. that

we now have, on the one hand, which are in principle due to the war, although again, unfortunately, the current government has not built any normal strategic communications and normal military censorship , which definitely should be, instead, we have an absolute mess in information policy, er, that is, when it is necessary, unfortunately, the ukrainian state is silent, or cannot normally respond to calls, the last case of zil-76 being shot down, this a straight textbook example, on the other hand, the authorities continue to hold on to the absolutely... bastard , you can’t say it differently, format of the united telethon, which is already frankly harmful, it’s not even just a matter of freedom of speech, or, for example, that on a telethon simply banal, there is no news as such, because everything is recorded there, like on russian television , in advance, so that, god forbid, someone should say something wrong on the air, this is simply a question of the lack of normal informing of society about what is happening to him in general , and this happens at the expense of the state, it is unacceptable, and of course one of the most unpleasant things in terms of freedom of speech, it is direct pressure from the authorities. through

their structures on objectionable journalists and , of course, the way they treat president zelensky personally and his communication with ukrainian media, i would like to remind you that volodymyr zelenskyy, like in principle all of his entourage, hardly communicates with ukrainian media, instead they communicate only with western journalists, and this, of course , in my opinion, is absolutely unacceptable, so yes, there is freedom of speech huge problems. thank you, bohdan, oleksiy, do you think there is a problem with freedom of speech in ukraine now? i think that people who... watch espresso, and we don't have another audience right now, well understand that there are problems with freedom of speech in ukraine, given how they watch espress, because the question of not allowing kanali is actually the restriction of their broadcasting, which is already, well, that is not a week, not a month, but years have already passed, how do these problems exist, and the fact that... in fact, you know, yes

, speak, speak, you do not disturb us , no one even says a word about what is happening, well, in this particular situation, it shows that we have a problem with freedom of speech, on the other hand, yes, it definitely affects war is not the natural environment for the zmi, although the zmi have to perform their function in any... conditions, but on the other hand, even before the direct invasion of russia, we know how the current government treated the media, they started with the words that they do not need journalists, and now i see that more bets are placed on uh telegram- channels, if we talk about the impact on the audience, well, i don't think that means i think that people who are engaged in a single marathon are smart enough. to understand that this, this, this phenomenon

can no longer influence the audience and determine it, so to speak, positions and opinions , few people receive information through a single marathon, and if so, then it is no longer the problem is that this is no longer a media phenomenon, the question here is whether telegram channels can cover the large audience that is usually covered by television, for example in ukraine, this is the first and second, of course. you mentioned the espressa tv channel, we have been out of t2 for the second year, well, for two years, that is, we were thrown out of there as the fifth channel and a direct channel, for some reason we were included in petro poroshenko's pool, and considering that we are poroshenko citizens, we are simply they took it and threw it away, no one even understood who the owner was, or whether anyone was related to it channel, or someone doesn't have one, well, i just threw it away... and that's it. tatyana, do you think

there are problems with freedom of speech in ukraine? well, personally, i have been working abroad for the last few years, and even more so, i work from express, where there is none. censorship and restrictions , so i don't see any problems for myself personally, but i see in ukraine a distortion, one might say, of the information space, when in fact real journalism is moving somewhere to the side, the completely non-journalistic work of a big marathon that almost no one watches is going ahead , and therefore if i would say that to me it is more and more pleasant that every day more and more people tell me: that they saw me on espresso, that is, people start looking for options, people stop watching marathons, switch to independent media, and this is good. well, it's good that we are being watched. colleagues, i would like to talk to you about this whole story with the resignation of the retired officer, forgive me, perhaps this topic

has already been fully discussed in various configurations, on various platforms, including international media, but... ... nevertheless, this story is indicative, because we have seen an information attack on zaluzhny for 5 days, but this information attack was organized in such a way that bloggers, journalists, who were probably aware that zaluzhny is meeting with zelen zelenskyi on monday and what else are left to blame for this information attack.. .. it was decided that zaluzhnyi is resigning from the post of commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, or that he is simply being pushed to leave. could the situation have developed in any other way, given the fact that the resignation, even if

it is postponed for the time of the head of the armed forces of ukraine, it is such an irritating issue for ukrainian society, and no one in the president's team, apparently, can... calculate what consequences this resignation can actually lead to and what the result will be. oleksiy, you are a person who knows information and political technologies, what do you say about which party the president's office has been playing for the past five days, because literally an hour ago, the bid of the supreme leader ended. commanders, there seems to be something there too had to decide, and here there is information that the tyrant reported there at the supreme commander-in-chief's rate, there are no questions, but the questions remain, well, you know what game is being played, now the situation

can be defined in this way, that is, any situations , there is a loss, on the one hand, it is obvious that the differences between zelenskyi and zuluzhnyi are already open, and knowing the manner of the president, not very good people at all, who mr. oleksiyu, very bad, i apologize, bad, bad communication, mr. oleksiyu, we'll get over it, now we will redial you, because we have problems on the air with the sound. bohdan, let's go, let 's start, while oleksiy, we will recruit, how do you assess this entire history, witnesses and participants, in fact, of which we have become? well, look, this story has been going on for a very long time, it has been going on for a very long time, it has been going on since

2000, since the summer of june 2022, even since april, these are not my words, these are the journalists of ukrainian pravda, they even wrote in the article that when mr. yermak essentially returned to managing, i don’t know... the country, but volodymyr zelenskyi, for sure, then he was the first thing began, let's say, to push him on the head with the question that, let's say, everyone perfectly understands that zelensky usually attributes some political ambitions to zuluzhny, which in reality did not exist, but there are simply concepts, of course understandable ratings, in which the rating of trust in zuluzhny , i am emphasizing not the political rating, these are different things, trust is not a political rating, but who cares, the political rating of trust in zaluzhny is consistently higher than that of zelenskyi. plus don't forget that the president's office is constantly measuring and political ratings, yes, political ratings, as far as i know, in the last month it has already happened that even in the first, roughly speaking, conditionally round, if even the humble wanted to participate in them, and by the way , he did not express such a desire, well, but anyway, even in the first round he

is already defeating zelenskyi, this is unacceptable for him, firstly, secondly, it is necessary to understand that in the president's office they are panickingly afraid of the date of may 20, that is, the moment when it ends volodymyr's official tenure... because unlike the verkhovna rada, which , although it has overstayed its term, it has a very important clause in the law on the verkhovna rada, where it is clearly written that the term of the previous, well, verkhovna rada will end. the beginning of the next term, on the other hand, in the law about nothing, what this means, it can become about the certainty of zelenskyi’s tenure, so at this moment, that in the office of the terrible junta, that the greedy wants to kill everyone there, seize power and so on, i have no doubt , that the master is behind it yarmak, which tells that only tatars can save. what happens next, they are a plus , let's face it, they perfectly understand that sooner or later they will have to hold

elections anyway, accordingly, the sooner they remove zaluzhny from office, the sooner, as they think, it will happen to him like aristovych, so they say , aristovych was already popular, and we removed him and that's all, and he became puffed up, but the hard workers should be removed earlier, so that means, you know, they don't respect people, they think that people are fishy guppies who like, like, removed something from under their eyes, so they forgot about well, what you and i saw on monday, unfortunately, is a classic method, and now we continue to see it, this is a classic method, a bastard method, you know , management named after vladimir oleksandrovich , what does it consist of, it consists of what it means, like, we are trying to remove all the negativity even in the dismissal of the employee on himself, that is, the idea was that he will come, they will press on him, he type will agree, he will write a statement himself, he refused, and the information about it got out immediately, well, then you saw volodymyr zelenskyi’s poor attempts to somehow bring this whole story down and also make guilty those who wrote absolutely real inside stories about

what was happening there, unfortunately, this one is more terrible in to this story, it’s not even that they are trying to release the swindler, after all, listen, zelenskyi is personally responsible for everything, zelensky is also personally responsible for the release of the swindler, but how is it done, that is, the whole country is in a state of frustration for 5 days, i already i am silent about the fact that in for most people, this causes one reaction, that hope is taken away from us, victory will be stolen from us, we... are taken away from the belief that something can be normal, but how it is done, it is done with maximum disrespect for people, that is, they because their telegram trash cans of all kinds, equals and others, constantly dump a bunch of unverified information in order to cause some rejections, and then say: here you see, here you see, in fact nothing happened, nothing happened, you are all lying, you will lie, you are nothing you don't know, these are your journalists, they're all stupid, stupid, and we're the only ones who know everything, we're the smartest, you see, and it's just... a crime, the cases aren't even dismissed for good, i'll repeat that with great care

it is done with disrespect and outright contempt for all people, i am honest, friends, i am asking you to remember not only that, they will still be fired for good, i have no doubt about it, but this is how it is done, you you understand that this actually shows the real attitude of these people people to the people of ukraine, that is, to such , you know, speechless biomass, which should just nod its mane and read... smelly telegram trash, who saw a bunch of these guys, i will not say bad words on the air, so that, well, although i don't know whether to you nasrad may have some complaints, but it is such a very beautiful picture, i have no doubt that they will still return to this story in the near future, because the problem they have is precisely because they believe that it should be removed now, until he went there for some political story, like this, thank you bohdan, oleksiy, please, so i 'll just go back to what i started with, it's... really described, if we talk about the game and chess terminology, by the term tsuksvan, when every, every move is

a losing one, and with from a political and human point of view, because yes, of course , zaluzhny's popularity is high, but comparing zaluzhny's popularity with aristovych's is pointless, because orestovich is a media figure, absolutely, who existed only in the media space, zaluzhny is not... a figure media, or rather, he is in the latter turn media, he, if we talk about his political weight, it is already there , his reputation has already been formed, a large support group in society has already been formed, and if we consider him as a political competitor, then any move should be left behind, this means that he is. a hen equivalent to the president, that is, he obviously no longer hides his collusions

with the president, and the president cannot influence him, dismiss him - this means , in fact, it is possible, as they say, not to hold elections, because a person is at the peak of his, his popularity, a person , which proved that she can do something and not something, but do something very big, then all the responsibility is transferred to... zelenskyi and whoever he appoints, regardless, it's still zelenskyi, but zaluzhnyi finds himself in the free political freedom of me. he's full, so there's nothing to be done about it, it's impossible, and i wouldn't say that they want to release him earlier, because it reduces the chances of a good man for the future, no, i 'm not, but the risk is very high, because the situation is difficult, both militarily and politically

plan for the country, i don't think that the government... can completely ignore the public's reaction, and even the way they tried to cover up this story shows that, in fact, it is forced to listen to the opinion of the public, even if it did not want to, uh, after all, we don’t have russia, and secondly, one more factor is very important, everyone understood why nulan came, and it’s obvious that now... everything pretends that nothing happened, it’s a throw-in through telegram channels, means that obviously the position of our allies is clear, they are not are interested in the fact that any conflicts, disagreements arise now, especially if some kind of political game is being played out in ukraine, in such a situation, in which ukraine is

in the war in question, we see what problems arise in europe and the united states, when it starts there . to play political games, how does it affect the situation of ukraine, the more so, obviously they understand that this is not the time, it is in ukraine itself. thank you oleksiy. tatiana, this week you watched what happened at the european union summit, and all this was happening, what was happening in ukraine, all this information, er, let's say, information support. of this conflict, which is still outside the borders there, outside the walls of the bank street, outside the walls of the president's office, already at that time the world media had passed on how, in europe and in the european union , how they reacted to it, i.e. do they see unity

in ukraine, are they ready to support this unity, they have allocated money, it is clear that... they want to see the projected government, they do not want this government to quarrel among themselves, civilian and military, so that everyone goes to victory together, otherwise, then why should they help ukraine, if this government will quarrel among themselves, absolutely for the sake of the western partners, these are these political games, false rumors, this is absolutely not the time , because if at the time, when somewhere in ukraine, under the influence of the bank... some media leaks and rumors are being prepared, then the european leaders discussed how to actually save ukraine and the ukrainian budget for the next four years, because without a subsidy from the west the ukrainian budget cannot stand. orban called yesterday and today ukraine is a bankrupt state, it is a little too much, but there is part of the truth in this, without western money, ukraine will not survive,

will not survive, and therefore it is extremely unpleasant. for each of our western partners to see messages in zmi about such and such political conflicts, about zelenskyi's plans, to remove the villain, not to remove the villain, my colleague very correctly said that everything is equal in the eyes of the world, in the eyes of the west, zalenskyi is responsible for everything, what is happening in ukraine, and if he does not show this some kind of integrity, command of the ukrainian authorities, then this has a very bad effect on the general perception of ukraine in the world , on trust in ... our future, the future of our war , our victory, that is why it is very important that the ukrainian authorities finally understand that right now is absolutely the wrong time for political games and manipulations, we must think about unity, we must think about war, we must think

about some kind of government of national unity, how can this be done, one must think about... about serious things, not a passing thing. do you think it is only about political jealousy and the future of the same zelenskyi or zaluzhnyi, or in principle, without the future of ukraine and without a peaceful future, without a victorious future, about political ratings and political prospects, well, there is no point in talking. absolutely correct, there is no point in talking. about politics, if the future of the state is at stake, we need to talk about where to get more, where to get more ammunition, where to get more weapons, where to get more funds, because these... which were promised to us for four years, are not enough to maintain the same level of development of ukraine, which was the last two years, so if

there was a unanimous opinion in the west that the ukrainian authorities should to have some single, well-thought-out, normal , logical voice, and all these political battles now look completely inappropriate against the background of the events that are happening at the front, well, but all this is happening on... and the existence of a single telethon, the existence of some telegram the scum that the government is betting on, and , shall we say, the problems that practically all journalists have with freedom of speech in one way or another, and this week our colleagues met with the ambassadors of the big seven, what happened there behind closed doors, only those who have been know, and somehow they don't share it much. perhaps, bohdan, you know something about what, what, what, what they talked about, because if the ambassadors of the big seven pay attention to

this and give a public signal to the authorities, well, we see, including our colleague vitaly portnikov at this meeting, however , what they said remained behind closed doors, that is, even we did not manage to find out what about what... they said what the ambassadors told them, what do you think, the topic of freedom words and the topic of what is happening with freedoms in ukraine, despite the fact that there is a state of war, will this be the main topic in the further communication of the political leadership of ukraine with our western partners, well, i do not know what happened at this meeting, i will tell you right away , i wasn't invited there, it's me too... no, i, believe me, i am i didn’t want to be there at all, although, to be honest, considering that i am one of the main characters of the constant attacks, garbage collectors

of the bank, if it was possible and invited, for example, some people who have orders from zelensky were present there, it really surprised me a little, well, less about that, it ’s a matter of europeans, who to meet, less about that, it’s not the surname that matters here, it ’s the fact itself that matters here, i absolutely agree with you, i ’m sure that first of all it was public story, this photo was clearly taken for moreover... in order to show the authorities that they say that we are watching, plus let's not forget, there is informal, let's say, communication, i want to draw your attention, dear colleagues, dear viewers, to one very interesting fact: today in it's friday, and on wednesday evening , zelensky fired a very interesting character, the head of the so-called department for the protection of national statehood, the security service of ukraine. what kind of structure is this? this is a structure that, even according to its official powers, is responsible for, say... yes content analysis of the media, that is, they follow the media even officially, well not officially, of course, when they need to follow and even without any hordes. i will remind you that by a very

interesting coincidence, three people who confessed that they were the ones who came to the apartment of our colleague yuriy nikalov, and they were allegedly hired by a person who directly said that he was from the sbu. and as for our colleagues from bigusinfo, i think you perfectly remember the story about 30 rils, i can't do it any other way. these creatures cannot be named, because even from the point of view of the quality of the actions of the special services - it's just complete incompetence, that is, 30 people who came to the rooms where the journalists came for the corporate party the next day, set up cameras, and a day after the journalists left, they drove again at full speed and filmed these cameras, if you suddenly didn't notice, friends, then bigus immediately photographed the faces of these people without any problems, he has been searching for the last faces of those who were there all day, that is, specifically who it was, and therefore, let's say this, according to my information, which... i was provided with this whole operation, and i was dirty just doing it this dznd, including there were not only representatives of this department, departments and others, for example, the department of the sbu, as my

sources tell me, but less so, the important thing here is that this dismissal of this head of the dznd is absolutely not accidental, by the way, it happened literally a day after that photo with the journalists of the j7 ambassadors that you just showed was taken, that is, what we are talking about now, what the event clearly showed very clearly, let's say... the media, how to say it, media to creatures with banking, with reduced social responsibility , who were engaged in orders for such dirty, stupid , you know, provocations in the style of viktor yanukovych in the 13th year, in principle, this does not surprise me, given that the entire entourage of volodymyr zelenskyi is essentially the service of the party of regions, that is, all of it from yermak . this is the best confession about who was the customer and who was absolutely, definitely an imbecile, but the executor of these attacks on journalists, so look, i just want to say that

you know, the only thing in our... that is different from complete authoritarianism in our country now is that, fortunately, these five or six effective managers, about pointed out volodymyr zelenskyi at his press conference, are actually very unprofessional and, excuse me , talentless people who cannot order even a normal provocation against journalists and order such performers who do such things. i would like to remind you that very soon an investigation involving me will be released on bilgosinfo i hope that the names of all these fine operatives will be named, most likely , those who... participated in these provocations, so now the president's office in its signature style is trying to do what is being punished for mine, not mine, but it was her, and we in general we are dismissing the head of the dznd, because he did not investigate and did not help our journalists, did not protect our golden shark feathers from some incomprehensible customers, whoever it could be, it’s scary to imagine, you know, i’m just wondering who this one is designed for, you know, this one level of the telegram sink, ot

similar rhetoric, similar communication. with people, if they think that it will work, well , they are very much mistaken, but the worst, i will say the last thing and finish, i am sure that as the date of may 20, 2024 approaches, i repeat, volodymyr oleksandrovich zelenskyi and his entourage will demolish everything more because there will be more and more fear so i have no doubt that these provocations will continue if you ask me if the telethon will be canceled no they won't if you ask me if the president's office will stop dealing with this garbage in telegram, no, it won't stop, will it? will stop holding a meeting with instagram bloggers in the president's office in order to be fashionable and influence young minds, no, it will not stop, because these people are flesh and blood, they will never be different, so unfortunately, until the moment they, unfortunately, represent the authorities in ukraine, they will continue such actions, that's all. thank you, bohdan, this is bohdan butkevich, we, colleagues, will take a short break, we

say goodbye to bohdan, to oleksiy and to tatyana. let's continue our conversation after a short pause on the channel, there are discounts on rezi table 15% in the pharmacies psyllium vam and oschad, there are discounts on acc long 15% at the pharmacies psyllisnyk bam and oschad, there are discounts on paracitamoldarnytsia 10% at the pharmacies psyllisnyk bam and oschad. friends, we are working live, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, today , during our broadcast, we ask you about the following: are there problems with freedom of speech in ukraine, if you watch us on youtube, everything is quite simple, or so , or not, write your option in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv 0800 211 381, if you you see problems with freedom of speech in...

calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, we have tetyana vysotska and oleksiy mustafin on the phone today, bohdan butkevich, unfortunately, left our air, he has his own affairs, and we continue the conversation with our colleagues, well, actually, i already mentioned about... uh, the aid of 50 billion euros from the european union, volodymyr zelenskyi called it financial guarantees for social stability and a clear signal to moscow that europe will persevere and it is united in the fight against the aggressor. let's listen to what zelensky said. now it is important that the distribution of these funds takes place by analogy. previous

support format. the first two tranches, we need a larger amount, 18 billion euros per year. and then the stability of the state will be greater. the teams of ukraine and the european union will work on this issue. tatiana, you observed the eu summit and the way it all happened, you already mentioned orban, who is quite ambiguous about ukraine and comments on what is happening. in ukraine or in europe they understand that this money is absolutely necessary for ukraine, because there were discussions, and it is clear that both hungary and slovakia said something against it, then, in fact, it was decided in favor of ukraine and quite quickly, which affected it absolutely.