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glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy ordenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. today in the program. deferred resignation of the employee. the general criticizes the system of weapons production in ukraine, the reasons and consequences of replacing the head of the armed forces. demilitarization of russia. meanwhile, putin dreams of a buffer zone along the border. ssu is successful cleanse ukrainian lands and waters of the enemy. unwavering support. the us senate will try to unblock military aid to ukraine, after the eu allocated 50 billion euros to support the economy. about this and other things, during the next hour we will talk with our guests, this is people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service of ukraine, valentyn nalyvaichenko, doctor of political sciences. maksym rozumny and

director of the center for military legal studies oleksandr musienko. in the second part of our program, which will start in an hour. we there will be a journalism club, bohdan butkevich, oleksiy mustafin and tetiana vysotska will be on our air. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest watching a video of how fighters of the 110th separate mechanized brigade dismantled another one for spare parts with the help of a mavic drone. russian tank near avdiivka, let's see.

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calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. and we have our first guest valentyn nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine, on the phone. former head of the security service of ukraine. mr. valentin, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory as a hero. mr. valentin, let's start with the delayed resignation for the alkaline. because this is how cnn presents the situation surrounding the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, literally a few minutes ago there was a message that the position of the supreme commander-in-chief had ended, but the question of zaluzhny's resignation was not raised in this position commander-in-chief, supreme commander-in-chief of the armed forces.

of ukraine, there were issues of drones, there were issues of shells, the situation at the front, fortification and energy, well, in fact, these are the questions, why... according to your information, we do not hear any reaction about whether zaluzhnyi will be removed or not zaluzhnyi, because zaluzhnyi reported to the supreme commander-in-chief about the situation at the front, and frankly speaking, the status of zaluzhnyi is currently unclear, will he be retired or not, let's start with the main, from the commander-in-chief, from the armor. forces of ukraine general zaluzhnyi, imagine how for the second day, the third, practically, there was a wave around him, who made it, no , even now it is not really clear, but he and the armed forces of ukraine to carry out combat tasks day and night, that they and do

honor and praise to them. i will say that the international reaction yesterday was quite serious and not only in the press, and not so much, regarding possible plans or possible intentions. release zaluzhny and all international partners of the anti-putin coalition have expressed themselves clearly against the weakening of the vertical of the military leadership in ukraine. and i want to professionally explain on your broadcast, serhiy, that the commander-in-chief is the president, the commander-in-chief is the lieutenant, the general staff and the armed forces, the commanders of the branches of the military, this is the military vertical of ukraine, it is supported by nothing on this vertical . to the other, the military leadership, the armed forces, all branches of the military, our defense and our counter-offensives and every, every day of the operations of our military, therefore take one component out of this vertical, from this rod

is to collapse the sheared vertical, it is not in our interests to do so, moreover, it does not correspond to our national defense and security interests, and thirdly, what i have already said, i confirm, international partners are also against the fact that in ukraine suddenly suddenly at the pleasure of someone, well, it is not beneficial to anyone except the aggressor, by the way, for the military vertical to suddenly weaken, this is no joke, i am a professional person, i tell you that this is not bureaucracy, it is not officials, not the government, no, you know, deputies, this is a military command, and there the vertical must be reinforced concrete, which works, and the last thing, before appointing any military leader and after the appointment , the main criterion for his suitability or non-suitability for the position is the trust of the servicemen themselves, the troops, from the company, company, battalion, brigade and beyond, trust this commander, if there is such trust, then they will follow

him and go into battle with him, if not, then nothing will happen, the hard-working man has such trust, he has a steel character, and it is in the interests of ukraine, our defense interests, that this military command worked, and it was today rate, indeed, among five questions, one of the questions was reported by the commander-in-chief, general zaluzhnyi, and it is good, and it is firm, and such strength must be preserved, at least in the military leadership. mr. valentin, but why in this case, when the entire world press writes, referring to their sources in the ukrainian government, about the possibility of such a resignation, because the washington post, and the time, and for'. these are quite serious publications, they will never publish any information that would be of such a tabloid nature, that is, they have serious sources, they are always serious react to the spread of such information , why, after the appearance of such information, volodymyr

zelenskyy did not make at least some minimal statement that the government, both political and military, in ukraine is united as never before, that we are all going together to victory and... that there are no problems , and what appears outside ukraine, or, let's say, even in ukraine, is it part of an informational and psychological special operation there, in which russia is interested? i don't know why the president of ukraine didn't do it? i will tell you the most important thing that ours have tv viewers understand that it is clear that both at the rate meetings and in the command itself, and even in the general staff, there is no such thing. you know that they drank tea with sugar or without sugar , everything was fine, they smiled, they parted, no , there is a war going on, and there are certainly quite heated discussions , quite painful decisions have to be made every day and every night, there are painful losses, but there is

the main thing victory, victories and the desire and understanding of how to move forward, and by the way , yesterday you mentioned cnn, yesterday cnn had an article by zaluzhny, general zaluzhny , about how he sees what new approaches to leadership wars, the conduct of hostilities with new technologies, our chief of the communist party sees it, and by the way, the reaction to this position of general zaluzhnyi... the world is very positive, our international partners from the anti-putin coalition did not just read it, they accepted it, well, ukrainians know what to do, the military team in ukraine knows what to do, and by the way , today's bid, headed by the president of ukraine zelenskyi, confirms that the entire leadership of ukraine, the entire bid takes care of these issues and deals with them. production of drones in ukraine. the production of artillery shells in ukraine and international

supplies, fortifications, this is really a matter for the government, but in my opinion, when the military leader, the commander-in-chief has a plan, has understanding, and most importantly modern approaches to protect the country and expel the aggressor from our territory, he is the commander-in-chief that our armed forces need and that we, ukraine, need. well, maybe today... in his evening address, volodymyr zelenskyi will mention, including the situation with personnel in the armed forces of ukraine, because after all, questions remain about valery zaluzhny and not, i don't know how he personally, but there is a feeling that this is not a finished story, that is, it is not finished, but postponed in times, because we see this story periodically. in various modifications, whether through the people's deputy mariana bezuglu or

through the people's deputies from the servant of the people, that is, constantly, constantly this tension, which is obviously there, and it cannot but be, because there is a war and it is clear that everyone is on their nerves, everyone are nervous, everyone understands that a lot is at stake, not only the political future of one figure or another figure, but the statehood of ukraine, the future of the ukrainian people and our victory are at stake, and in this case, god grant that everyone has enough sense to understand that the future of all of us depends on their unity. mr. valentyn, i will say very briefly, only about the deputies, serhiy, the deputies should be less nervous, work more and support the armed forces of ukraine more, period. absolutely true, over the last few weeks we observe about observe. an urgent special operation of the main intelligence directorate of the ministry of defense of ukraine

was hit this week on the russian missile boat ivanovits and was destroyed by direct hits of six magura v5 type naval drones, kyrylo budanov told about it. this missile boat was quite a serious combat unit, armed with four missile systems and capable of striking. in a radius of up to 130 km, in parallel with this, the air force of ukraine struck the bilbek airfield in the occupied crimea, where they eliminated the russian general oleksandr tytarenko, well, with a ukrainian surname, you see, a russian general, by the way, they write about this in russian publications, it is reported that two missiles hit the command post of the 38th fighter aviation regiment, and another missile attacked the communication point airfield the russians acknowledged the impact of three planes and the death of personnel, taking into account

our successes in the southern direction, in the crimean direction, does this mean, mr. valentin, that the main efforts of the defense forces of ukraine are directed specifically to crimea, because crimea is that painful point of both putin and russian in general. army , without which in fact all their other plans in ukraine will fall apart, this is true, this is the most painful place of the aggressor and putin personally, and the special operations of military intelligence and the ministry of defense, which had a really significant success in the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea, this is really what demoralizes the enemy demoralizes this entire occupation that they have tried to establish there over the years, and moreover, puts into

great doubt how much longer they will be able to temporarily hold on there. i predict and say that the more high-precision weapons and the efficiency of such special operations will increase, and not only military intelligence, but also, i emphasize, the armed forces of ukraine, and this will lead to further more sensitive and painful blows to the aggressor on the territory of the so... occupied crimea and in the water area black and azov seas. this is a strategically important direction for us. at the same time, i would not say that it is for the armed forces of ukraine, and indeed for all of ours. defense, the focus shifted only to the south, in fact very heavy battles, a difficult situation in the avdiiv direction, on marinsky, the kharkiv direction is tense, our armed forces are heroically holding on there, repelling even what the enemy or aggressor sometimes manages to capture temporarily, this is not an easy combat job, and i will say that the entire

front now, it is more than 1000 km, is not easy for the armed forces of ukraine, even more so... during such weather conditions, but we must give credit that the more modern weapons arrive, the stronger and more efficient our troops, our armed forces manage to hold the defense and go on the counteroffensive. well, in the meantime, the chief of the general staff of the armed forces of romania, georgitsavlad believes that romanians should prepare for the possible spread of russian aggression, as putin will resort to escalation in... victory in ukraine, let's listen to what the chief of the general staff of the armed forces of romania said. yes, the population of romania, like the entire population of the european union, should be worried and we should take appropriate measures to be prepared. i, personally, not necessarily, as a military man,

believe that the russian federation will not stop there if he wins in ukraine, the main target. will become the republic of moldova. we will witness tensions in the western balkans. i am more than certain that president putin will resort to escalation in the near future. at the same time, romanian prime minister marchal chalaku called for calm. romania will not join any war - he stressed. well , the question here is not whether romania will enter the war or not, whether russia will enter the war with romania. let's start with the main thing, that romania is also a nato member country, and all nato member countries, and now there are 302 of them, and sweden, the 32nd , will definitely join in the near future. to the alliance. all nato member states understood that russia is not just a potential threat, but an actual one. all nato member countries understood that it is necessary to upgrade and upgrade weapons and

ammunition to protect their territory. and thirdly, all nato countries not only understood. right now today, including conducting combat exercises, there are a lot of large numbers of troops, including naval forces, air forces, various countries, nato members, but along the entire russian border, and i will say that starting from finland in the north, to romania in the south, this entire flank of nato understands that russia is really a threat and is an aggressor, so, by the way, the anti-putin... coalition is the most serious support from these countries for us, for ukraine and for the armed forces of ukraine, they all clearly they understand the strategic military dimension: if ukraine stands up, if this flank of nato stands up , otherwise, their chances are extremely minimal, and the escalation and indeed possible aggression will only continue, but

all this encourages our partners to help us, help more, and you too. see how european countries, nato member countries that are located in europe, are helping, approving budgets and will be helping all this year, including our defense, our armed forces, producing more weapons, supplying us with air defense, and i think next week at the exit, we are waiting, including the decision of the us congress, and this is already serious, and this is such serious support for the whole year ahead. of the armed forces of ukraine to repel russian aggression from our borders, and from nato and eu borders. mr. valentin , can you as a professional explain how it happened that europe did not expect such a big war with ukraine, as evidenced by the readiness of europeans for such a war, or rather the unpreparedness of that amount of weapons

, that amount of ammunition, and that is they are now trying to make up for it by... very quickly, did their intelligence and their analytical data not calculate such an option? i think this is a really huge problem and a huge mistake because their and intelligence and special services of europe, first of all nato, did not calculate to the end that such russian aggression is possible, that such a use of such a number by the aggressor russia putin is possible. missiles, bombs, artillery weapons, starting not only from its territory, but from the territory of the republic of belarus, i remind you that a full-scale invasion took place from the territory. two countries in fact and russia and belarus against us, this is something that was not calculated, this, and they admitted, and we clearly understand, but now i will tell you

that the situation has fundamentally changed, no one doubts whether to do or not to do, they take and do, no one doubts whether to support or not to support ukraine, they take and support. thank you, mr. valentin, for the conversation, it was valentin nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service. of ukraine. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook. please put a favorite to this video in order for it to trend in these platforms. well, vote in our poll. today we ask you about whether there are problems with freedom of speech in ukraine. yes, no, everything is quite simple in youtube. if you are sitting in front of the tv, take your smartphone or phone. and vote, if you think that there are problems with freedom of speech in ukraine, 080 211 381, no, 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are

free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, further on communication maksym intelligent, political expert , doctor of political sciences, mr. maksym, i congratulate you , thank you for being with us today, good evening, the evening is really... good, because the position of the supreme commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine has ended, the issue of zaluzhny's resignation from the post of chief commissar the armed forces were not there, zaluzhny himself reported on the situation at the front, but over the past five days we have witnessed a rather massive information attack or the active dissemination of this information about the possible. resignation is deserved, it is not only a question about ukrainian social networks or the ukrainian environment, and also about the world media, which

wrote that in fact the fate of zaluzhny has already been decided, you, as a political expert, how do you perceive all these dances around the possible resignation of zaluzhny, who in this situation would have put? if there were no such dances, and in what way should people calm down, well, at least think a little about the future of ukraine? well, of course, those who have some kind of insider information from the bowels of the president's office, from the national security and defense council, they could certainly give a more precise answer, i can only have... versions, the first version, well, it is kind of bad for ukraine, and it says that president zelenskyi, his team has

great, so to speak, jealousy, jealousy of a political nature to valery zaluzhny's popularity, and in connection with this they really decided to remove him from such a popular position. in which he, in which, in this position of commander-in-chief, he can strengthen his authority and remain influential, so to speak, an actor of the national, including political arena, maybe if it is so, then it is bad, and bad from many points of view, firstly, it is bad for the moral spirit of the ukrainian people, that is... zaluzhny became one of the symbols of the ukrainian resistance and one of the symbols of our hopes that we

will be able to overcome this rush, to the fact that we are successful , to the fact that we are strong, to the fact that we are smarter and so on, well, actually, zaluzhnyi confirms not only by his actions, even by his theoretical statements, which are there in the last articles publishes, it is on the one hand, on the other hand... it is bad for the president's team, the team of the current ruling team , because there are many precedents in ukrainian politics, well, actually not many, but there are precedents when such an attempt to eliminate a political competitor, who actually has never declared his political ambitions, is such a conspiracy in the bowels of the president's office, if it exists , well , we remember how first yevhen marchuk entered the political... arena, then viktor yushchenko, but after such high-profile resignations, they actually became political figures,

that is, it's bad for them too... it can end in in a political sense, without speaking already about the extent to which it can disorganize and demoralize the ukrainian army, i would say so, the team, the team of our victory, i would call it that, but another version is that these are such political-technological games that supposedly liberate, supposedly not release, throw in one piece of information. other information , there was information about there, well, the last one, this is the last drop there about the fact that he abuses alcohol, there we remember these posts by one deputy about it, that is, there is systematic discrediting, that is, it is not, not such a breakdown of the situation, no not resignation, not a collapse, but some such, perhaps

even more dangerous fallout. the complete destruction of authority, bringing the person himself to a kind of insecurity, to a decrease in charisma , and this is also bad for the country and for the states, well , you correctly mentioned marchuk and yushchenko, because in principle, well, there was a similar scenario somewhere, kuchma, is it true did much faster and lightning-fast regarding resignations. that is, he did not think much there, in this situation, i understand that the current team, it focuses on sociology and on, well, they they look at it in a cinematic way, that is, they measure every day, make some sociological measurements, and in accordance with this, they move forward, you mentioned that zaluzhny did not declare his political ambitions,

but, if... this resignation will happen, regardless of what mariana bezugla wrote about him, i think that 90% of people do not even know what bezugla wrote about zaluzhny, i think that in a situation where zaluzhny will be removed from office, he will already be zelenskyi's competitor in the political field, i i'm not even talking about the presidency, because again, we don't know who the political... leader is, we don't know what kind of presidential candidate he might be, we know that he is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, what he does his task, there is still an army, which he manages, and for two years he has proven himself as a good commander-in-chief, or is it even important now to talk about whether one of the leaders of the people's trust will be useful there, because

the rating is political. it depends on the national trust, or whether he will have outside the armed forces, or the rating of trust in the serviceman is the rating of trust in the armed forces. well, yes, we are talking on such a hypothetical plane, but since it has already been written about, quite authoritative, western sources from uh, who have significant access to information from the president's office, from the president's entourage. i think that the probability that , in one way or another, they will try to remove someone from leadership positions, it is quite high, so this hypothetical situation, it looks very convincing, and therefore, it should be considered, so we can say that in case there will be such

a gambit, such an exchange of figures. and zaluzhnyi will find himself outside his natural position as the commander-in-chief of the ukrainian armed forces, then he will be forced, due to many circumstances, to become, well, if he does not personally put up a very strong resistance, then he will one way or another become an opposition politician, marchuk, in fact, will not either.. .planned to become a public politician, he himself became the prime minister, and somehow worked there. yushchenko, yushchenko was nominated, pushed into politics, but not him there was another way out, but the most important thing is that there are great expectations, that is, what i see today in the information space, in social networks, there is a very high

demand for a diligent politician, and eh... he will not be allowed to stay somewhere in