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on weekdays from 20 to 22 for espresso. so, behind my back, an eloquent clue, what we will talk about, you see the houses of the european community, you see orbán, you see a lot of dollars, these are just mountains. that's right we will talk about this with maria holub, an expert on european integration and bilateral relations between ukraine and the european union. mrs. maria, now i feel sorry to see, as soon as i see, i will ask. right away, ms. maria , good health, i am starting to ask, what happened to you, with mr. orban, he, well, we know that he was pressured by a frenchman and an italian woman, the prime minister of italy, well, it is believed that the greatest pressure to him, but he won, you see, this is my main question, he said, i will not give money, i will vote against, but for me to give money, do this to me, so what is it? this is what he meant when

he later agreed to give such money to ukraine, this is what he meant, this is the possibility that he will be able to continue, let's say, literally blackmail the european union every year, mr. orban's proposal was as follows , that in principle he is not against helping ukraine, but let's propose such a mechanism, when we will review every year, since such decisions are approved unanimously, this would give him the right to return to the european commission, but here ukraine did not complete this and that, again, with a broader framework in mind, that is, let's give hungary even more support, let's give even more money, and this is how he imagined it, you can say to him , pressured not only by the politicians you mentioned. it was such

a pan-european pressure in general, and a lot of european politicians talked about the fact that orbán had crossed the line, and this, of course, was not only about support for ukraine, but about european solidarity in general and about the fact that the european the union is not ready, even to one of its full member countries, a member of the european union, to give the opportunity to blackmail all others in this way. ms. maria, look, well, i would also like to mention that literally yesterday, the day before yesterday , american senators already spoke anti-orbán, but the question of principles, since you are an expert in european integration, a lot of people complain about the europeans, about the americans, they think for a long time, very and and and such voices, why can't they tell hungary to shut its mouth once and for all bad and and and don't spoil the overall picture for us, otherwise... we will do you bad, and that too, this is such

a very long procedure of persuasion, hints, come on, this is the norm of behavior of simply civilized countries, that is, you should not expect quick solutions only not in the issue of hungary, but also in the issue, for example , of weapons for ukraine, money for ukraine, that people will be waiting for a long time to ask, to call, what do you think, and what do you think, and is it worth it or not, that's right, i i understand that this... we have no right to count on quick reactions, because there won't be any, you know, and yes or yes and no, first of all, regarding orpan , well, in the european union, of course, there is a process, and there are procedures, and everyone understands that the european union, when it was created and expanded, did not foresee such a mechanism, when one country, even for very, very bad behavior, can be taken and simply thrown out of the european... union, and

since it was not foreseen, european leaders are always afraid to create a precedent, that is , they will consult with lawyers five times, reread all their basically valid documents and only then will offer a solution. the second point, very often the european union and european leaders, they offer several solutions. and orban, when he was going to this extraordinary summit of the eurocouncil, he actually knew very well what was waiting for him there, and he knew about it two or three weeks in advance, and he knew that he would not have much options. and here about the european union, of course you can criticize the european bureaucracy, but the plus point is that if this bureaucracy... turns in one direction, then it will be very difficult here the bureaucracy to once again turn somewhere, but if the european bureaucracy, and this is how it looks now, turns in the direction of long-term, multi-year support for ukraine, they will more likely

find an opportunity to break such positions as orban had, they will find an opportunity to come to an agreement, they will find an opportunity to ensure , so that these 50 billion will still be... from different sources, but they will do it, the main thing here is to reach this political compromise, let it be long, but definitely stable, okay, thank you, once again, one more question, mrs. maria, see, v in europe, how to say rural, farmers, yes, employees and owners of agricultural goods and land, well , they are protesting quite energetically now, many associate it with what does a huge agricultural country say when it starts supplying, and it is self-evident that ukraine needs money during the war, european bureaucrats help, they say, let's sell, and they sell, and local farmers

react badly to this, and then governments start to concessions to farmers, and then the international monetary fund, i don't know if you've read just recently, the leader of this fund said that you... don't play with farmers, because you will make concessions for a long time, in the end you will give up everything and then the budgets will be unbalanced, because most of the money will go to agriculture, so what to do with other industries, in short, there is a crisis , is it a ukrainian crisis, or is it a european crisis , is the main factor really the fact that ukraine has started, well, conditionally, to sell grain to europe, and now the europeans are shouting that ay-yay-yay, we have... prices will fall, because there will be more than, well, more than than need, i.e. prices fall , we will not have shortages, but we will also be poor then , and in short, there is a problem, this is this, this is ukraine’s path to europe, look, this is 99.9%

european crisis, and it has ripened very a long time ago, it just so happened that with full-scale aggression and with what happened. not so long ago, and by the way , some of our bilateral trade conflicts with some eu member countries, mainly neighboring countries, have not been resolved yet, it's just this situation, it didn't even become a catalyst, there would have been something else if it hadn't been for ukraine. she i just added another flavor, and by the way, unfortunately, it is often used against ukraine, the european agricultural market, and common agricultural policy in general. the eu, and the structural funds , and the way they are distributed specifically to the agricultural sector, all this was criticized a long time ago, and very correctly, by the way, the head of the imf said, there are currently huge budget deficits in the eu member states, germany

voted not so long ago, good , who voted, but there is a crazy shortage, that is, it must be understood that this will be a precedent, if indeed now they will make concessions to the farmer and once again instead of... reflecting, so we have something wrong with the agrarian policy, what needs to be done to make it really work, and these were not just subsidies, just money for something a very, not even competitive industry, but if this is not done, then of course we must expect that tomorrow the same strikes will be made by the workers of the aviation industry, although they are doing it, farm workers, workers of other industries, unfortunately, the european union , here it can honestly be... attached, very much has this habit of solving problems with money , that is, they understand that if something can be solved in the short term with financial injections, they do it, unfortunately, this is a short-term, short-sighted policy, it is already changing, and that

is why the european union last week in general there were a lot of debates and discussions in the european commission, in the european parliament, they still converge. in the opinion that let's come to the next convocation with a concrete decision, well, of course , now the farmers will be offered some a compromise option, but already a european one... the bureaucracy clearly understands that there will pay in the usual way, mrs. maria, there are recipes, that is, someone knows what to do with agriculture, as long as i can remember, there have always been problems, well there for 20 years therefore, they were smaller, but everyone said that, well, the state dates the farmers, what does this mean, it means that you can produce with a smaller composition of the farm. that this is a social problem, this is not a business problem, that if we don't pay

this money to the farmers, they will go bankrupt and leave to protest on the street, but there is a recipe , what can be done, what can be done, i’m not saying, don’t describe a specific recipe, but in principle there is some, you know, it’s just that when we say, the state subsidizes farmers, you have to understand that yes , as the state subsidizes farmers, more precisely, the eu subsidizes its farmers and, conditionally, ukraine. could tattoo her farmers, these are two different things. unfortunately, as i have already said, the european union is simply handing out money without expecting any modernization in return, and now it is being said that a very practical dialogue should be conducted with farmers: come on, you will receive money, but invest it, please, in some kind of updating of your productions, in some newest tools. the second point, now the european... union, they connect all this with larger-scale challenges and they reflect very strongly on their

trade policy in general, that is, they understand that it cannot be as it was before, and in particular they are now looking for what can be a new industry, conditionally, which will take the largest human resource, human potential, and strangely enough, i think i will not surprise you in particular, they are looking very intently at the defense complex now, that is, everyone understands that now it is necessary to restart... the defense complex, and this and everyone understands that defense orders must remain in europe, it is going very hard, but with a perspective, for example, in two or three years, i do not rule out that yesterday 's farmers will go to work at defense factories, this is one of the options, very, very much, this, this, this is how they are building socialism, you know , something is wrong, immediately money, a social country, soci, i, as a person who lived 31 years in soviet union, i will tell you that this is on the way to... hopeless, well, russia, the russians are showing us this today, and tomorrow it will be even worse for them with

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somehow it's like how the news sounded, and i'm sitting to... i think someone doesn't know about this, that in private conversations, both presidents, and prime ministers , and ministers, and deputies about their political opponents say whatever they want, that's what they say, i don't think trump talks very well about biden, biden about trump and so on and so forth, everyone doesn't like their political opponents, but it seems like that that the world is making noise for the second day. oh, look, he's his, he's his somehow, no that's what i called it, well, yes, well, it's normal, that's always the case, what do you say, eh, well, i'll say that private conversations are private conversations, and probably it wouldn't be very correct for us to comment on these private conversations, it's better to comment on what happens in public politics, now in

the united states of america, and we know very well that this year uh... elections in the usa on november 5 will be presidential elections and plus also elections for the house of representatives of the united states congress , the entire team of the current uh members of the house of representatives will change, this 435 e congressmen and 1/3 of the senate, and the fact that sparks are flying between president biden and... ex-president trump, well, this is the nature of political struggle, and this nature was before, is today and will be tomorrow, and here you are probably they said correctly, mr. mykola, that anything can happen in private conversations, but

of course that politicians are judged primarily by their public position, their... programs, their competition, their debates, and so on. mr. alexander, look, tell me, please, this impression is gradually, very slowly, that trump is gaining, trump's chances are increasing and biden's chances are decreasing, is this just my impression or is this the general impression and is it likely to change. until november, well, there is still a long time until november, so everything can change, first of all, today there are two candidates from the republican party who ... continue to fight in the form of primaries, so far only two states have voted in the state of iowa and

new hampshire, well , trump now has 32 votes of deputies and 17 votes for nikihale, so the fight continues, so today the advantage of ex-president trump over the candidate nicki healy is significant. ny, but the marathon is still long, even in the primaries, so we will see what happens next, here we all know that there are lawsuits and specifically regarding ex-president trump himself and lawsuits regarding two such moments within the primaries, that is a colorado court ruling banning uh er... ex-president trump from participating in the primary in that state, and a ruling by the maine secretary of state, which is the same as

barring ex-president trump from participating in the primary of this of the state, should decide this question whether, if the decisions of these two states were to be confirmed or not confirmed, the supreme court of the united states, which is now hearing this case, and how it ... trump, and will there be any chances for nikki haley to continue the fight, since so far she has stated that she will continue the fight, and it must be said that nikki haley is already a new generation, she has considerable experience in the domestic politics of the united states , was in her inner life. the governor of south carolina and knows well how to manage the economy, how to manage the social sphere , there are other things, and she has a lot of experience as

a former permanent representative of the united states at the united nations, she knows international politics very well, and in this context she understands what is war in europe, a very big war, the biggest since the second world war, and that the fault...this war was unleashed, unleashed by russia, putin, and that it is an unjust war, and that ukraine must help in this war , and the united states should help ukraine in every possible way, very important, it seems to me, this question, and the united states is ready for a woman president, because in the whole world it has been a long, long time ago , both prime ministers and presidents, and no one is interested in this ... surprising, from ceylon, from srilanka to finland, everyone is used to it, and america is quite conservative in this sense,

but women are half of the population, well , roughly, which means that if they support her, then she will have a very serious chance of success. how ready is american society for a woman president? well, first of all, world processes such that gender politics. matters, and as you rightly said, in many countries , the leaders of states, there were women, there are women today, as for the united states, let's not forget that there have already been several secretaries of state, albright, condoleezza rice, and now the vice president of the united states is also a woman, so i think that the american society has matured and... and for the president of the united states to be a woman, but of course that this issue will be decided by the american voters and they will have their say

word, and they will decide which of these three candidates will become the president of the united states today, it is purely the prerogative of the american voters and the united states of america. one more question, mr. oleksandr, look, as if foreign policy wrote... that the united states and germany want to postpone ukraine's invitation to nato. well, how much , well, how much, well, this is me, it makes me happy, because putting it off does not mean excluding this possibility, we do not know how much to postpone, one thing for two or three years, another thing for 5, 10, 15, but why, what is interfering, what... what are the undercurrents, well, it is obvious that what is interfering is that if tomorrow ukraine joins nato, then the day after tomorrow it will be western countries and nato must fight where

ukraine is currently fighting , besides... what else should there be, don't have, we don't know what scholz talked about with biden, but we can speculate, guess, what are your guesses on this matter, well, let's divide the question, what is it about, we are talking about an invitation to nato, from the fact of receiving an invitation to the fact of acceptance into nato membership, it is still a long and thorny road, so on ukraine today. for inviting us , giving us a program that we have to carry out so that we are ready to join this alliance in the future, which has proven during its existence that it is the most serious institution, and that it really acted and is acting today a factor of stability not only in europe but in the whole world, so we

have to continue actively... the work, we have to connect to this work, as well as by the way, to receive aid from the united states in the amount of 61.4 billion dollars for 2024 year, we need to connect all possible tools, and these tools can be the following: well, first of all, what comes to mind is that the ukrainian diaspora, the polish diaspora , and the lithuanian diaspora in the united states a... these are 25 million people, and this is a significant share of voters, and these are voters mainly of the republican camp, therefore we need to work very actively with the ukrainian, polish and lithuanian communities, and connect them so that they help us both in terms of aid and in order for us to receive an invitation to the nato summit in washington in the summer, further... we must

to work with the parliaments of other countries, to involve them, well, let's say, the parliaments of britain, canada, france, germany, italy, i named only five countries, they have very good and powerful connections with the american congress, and of course that they could help us, convince those congressmen who have, well, even waver, this is a small part, there is less. regarding getting the $61.4 billion in aid and getting it as soon as possible because of the tension, working through nato on this issue for a very important issue, sir oleksandr, look, there is work among lithuanian and polish americans, well , there is definitely work for ukrainians, and there is work such serious, fundamental work of the ukrainian

embassy in... the ukrainian diaspora, what do you say, well, it is difficult for me to say what is happening now, but i i hope that there should be such a work, in my time i connected and worked with our ukrainian, lithuanian and polish communities, when the war began in the 14th year, i think that there are such and such movements and such work exists, but apart from that, apart from these, apart from... diaspora and in addition to parliaments, we still need to connect, as far as possible, all political science centers, mostly in the united states of america, there are political science centers that are non-partisan, for example, atlantic counsel, and there are some that are republican and some from the democratic party, so now emphasis should be placed, in particular on republicans,

on the fact that we are democrats. so we have a clear picture, full support from the biden administration, but there is a wing of the republicans, which, well, some call it trumpian , thank you very much, mr. oleksandr, thank you very much, oleksandr motsyk, the ambassador of ukraine to the united states from 10 to 15 years, and now iryna koval's news, and then we will talk about jurisprudence, about israel, in short there is more to talk about, but first listen to iryna. thank you, mr. mykola, in just a moment i will tell you about the most important events at this time. it's 6 p.m. in ukraine, and to your attention is a news release on the espresso tv channel. in the studio of iryna

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