moments in the relations between ukraine and the european union was resolved positively, the european union agreed to allocate us 53 million, 50 billion euros, that's 53 billion dollars, by the way, only 10 less than the american aid, so you are surprised that this is a unanimous decision , how do you explain it at all, why viktor orbán eventually gave in, and we have to understand with you that it was precisely from the middle of december, when orbán blocked this decision. all the efforts of our partners in the european union, they were aimed at getting just that the decision is supported by all 27 eu member states, and it was both, well, let's say so, and and and methods and, if you want, pressure, and persuasion, and explanations, and, well, such rather tough arguments of internal discussion, but at the same time colleagues were preparing and to possibly...

plan b, regarding the adoption of a decision on the allocation of these funds for ukraine for four years by 206 members without hungary, but they emphasized that this is a very undesirable option for them, due to the fact that they understood that yes, this will be such a symbol of separation and destruction of this, well the demonstrated unity of the european union from the point of view of supporting ukraine, so i think that we ourselves... and the leaders of countries, members of the european union and heads of european institutions, they are happy that it was possible to do it, and it was really possible to do it, well, let's say such a team playing at different levels of pressure on hungary. mrs. ivanna, well, we must note that these 50 billion euros are not about one year, we are talking about certain conditions that our country must fulfill in order to...

regularly receive tranches, we are talking about regular checks of compliance with these conditions, and at any time, as we understand, the possibility of rolling back or stopping the program. what prospects do we have of not making a mistake here and the prospects that nothing will change in european politics and another orban, let's say, will not put sticks in the wheels. well, let 's be precise in our expectations and our explanations, the program is for four years, it really provides. an opportunity to discuss how it is implemented each year and the european commission should provide such a report about how it is implemented every year, but any decision that will concern its further extension, and it will be taken exclusively by a qualified majority, that is, two-thirds of the vote in the european union, which is important, there is no veto, and indeed there is an element . the fact that this

program can be stopped after a review, after two years of its operation, if the european commission, well, at the request of the european council, gives a negative negative conclusion there, so there are still opportunities for such pr support of orbán's internal-foreign policy and using it as a platform for... criticism of ukraine, criticism of ukraine's support policy and so on, but at the same time you are really right, this aid is different, it is different from the previous loan aid to ukraine in 22 and 23 , and during the previous years it was unconditional. even in this decision of the european council, we see a clear message that this mechanism will work with... the condition that ukraine will preserve its

democracy, will preserve pluralistic multi-party, well, the parliament and its functioning, will continue to preserve the basic principles of rights and freedoms, observance of the rights and freedoms of the citizen, including and here we hear echoes of hungary, including the rights of national minorities and sovereignty. rights, and this already lays a rather serious wake-up call, in my opinion, for our authorities today, but in addition, after this mechanism is finally agreed from the point of view of its mechanics, a credit agreement will be adopted, which will be based on the so -called plan of ukraine , which government still has to finally present to the european commission, and i wanted them to present it to the ukrainian parliament as well.

until then, and this plan will form the basis of the conditions that ukraine will have to fulfill every quarter in order to receive. the next tranche and it makes this program very different from all the previous assistance we've received during a full-scale invasion. but tell me, in principle, if we talk from the point of view of these discussions about aid, what will happen to the discussions when the process of negotiations with the european union begins? will also be needed later of each section, to sit down at the table with viktor orban or to coax, convince, compromise with someone else. victor roberge said that after he received a decision on ukraine's negotiations with the european union, we will have a million more opportunities to block it all, and it's true, he will have opportunities to overcome it all, well, i would even say that it not only will it be necessary

to sit down and negotiate with viktor orbán, it will be necessary to sit down and negotiate with a large number of individual countries of the european union, taking into account those others, maybe the issues are sensitive for them, and it will be a very difficult process, so you know, i keep remembering this phrase, it seems to me that there is six months left until the moment when the prime minister of ukraine shmyhal promised that we will already be in the european union, this i think it was in january of the 23rd year, if i'm not mistaken, so whether in january or even, well, somewhere like that, well, let's count maybe eight more - somewhere before that date , it's obvious that it will be very difficult process and it is obvious that in the coming years with such and such leadership of hungary, with the presence political party fidesz in such and such

a dominant position in hungary, we should not expect any serious change in their behavior, and we should understand what they will use. moments of blackmail , both in relation to ukraine and in relation to the european union, to the institutions of the european union or to their fellow members of the eu member states, and it will not be easy, and it is obvious that somewhere orbán is counting on the fact that the tides may change libra within the european union after the elections this year, both in the european parliament and in individual member states of the european union. because he sees this strengthening and increasing the role of right-wing political forces now, and he counts on additional allies in this process, and this is a very difficult challenge for us, as for ukraine. ugh, mrs. ivano, this week, as

it became known, the minister of defense of ukraine, rustem umerov, addressed the heads of the military departments of the countries of the european union with an urgent need. for the ukrainian army - shells, this is what is missing. the european union can supply ukraine, ukraine by march only more than 500 thousand artillery shells instead of the promised million, and josep borel, the head of european diplomacy, says this frankly, this is not all of what we were promised. in your opinion, the problem lies in production, that is , purely in the physics of the process, or is there still a certain political component here. remains, and it seems to me that at the moment it is precisely what you call the physics of the process that is such a determining factor for the european union to fulfill that obligation, which proactively took upon himself and provided us with a million shells during the year, and excuse me,

a billion, yes, but, but a million, a million, a million, a million, a million, but, to me, to me ... the discussion that is currently taking place in the european union , because we hear that, say, the czech republic offers the european union, given that there is a problem with production and given that the european military-industrial complex does not have time, to produce this number of shells, to purchase for these shells of ukraine are already in those countries, well, from outside the european borders union, such as in south korea or other countries. but we see that individual countries that are manufacturers of these projectiles are quite skeptical about this and are interested in ensuring that the funds that the european union, the countries of the european union allocate for this purchase and this production, so that they all - still remained in

europe, and here it seems to me that now this is an urgent situation in which we found ourselves, given the fact that the decision from the side is being pushed further and further. of the united states regarding the provision of military and financial assistance to us support, we need to enter into a conversation with our partners so that this initiative of the czech republic, it is still... well, at least partially somehow implemented, until colleagues in europe can increase their number, well, their capacity in the production of projectiles. to what extent, in principle, can it be assumed that the europeans will be ready if you want to replace the united states, as french president emmanuel macron says, in helping ukraine? i understand, i am well aware, that this is... a task that can only be realized during a large number

years, us, i'm not convinced that we have that margin of time, and so i think it's going to be a near impossible task for the next, next year, or even the next two years, so, ah, so i understand , that european countries can, say, invest additional... funds in the so-called such state orders and which would be predictable and understandable for arms manufacturers in europe, but at the same time i am convinced that it is necessary to attract opportunities from outside european countries as well, due to the fact that the quality and the whole set, let's say weapons, which can provide, can provide s... the states of america cannot be replaced by the countries of the european union themselves in the near future. well

, there is a strategically important question: our actual access to the markets of the european union, we understand that certain processes of a different nature are currently taking place in neighboring countries, and at the same time, this encourages politicians in these countries to perhaps somehow intensify. the discussion in the european union regarding the general access of us, as not yet a member of the european union, to the markets of the european union. mrs. ivanna, in your opinion can we really fight here for our place under the sun, and why do we even have to do it considering, well , the geopolitical situation, considering the situation of the russian federation's rampant aggression against us? well, you quite diplomatically formulated what you are proving to us. to deal with, we see both objective and very subjective and even manipulated by various

internal political forces in different countries, the processes that relate to this now, well, if you want to start a new wave of farmer dissatisfaction, well we hear about the intentions of the complete blocking of the border in poland, the polish-ukrainian border, we hear... the additional intentions of hungarian farmers to block one of the transitions between ukraine and hungary, that is , you and i have also seen the slovak ones, well, so far they are patchy demonstrations and romanian ones, which means that we are facing a very, very complicated situation, and here there are two different approaches, there are approaches... of individual member countries, there are approaches of the institutions of the european union in general,

the institutions are more ready to , so that to provide ukraine with opportunities to maximally increase its ability to export across borders by land, by land, through the countries of the european union, and i think that here we have such a political component and... partly an economic component, and the economic component can be 100% be resolved, and for a and here it is important that the ukrainian side is ready for these negotiations, and the countries, members and institutions are also ready, but after that, all this real economy, real economy, without manipulations, without conjectures, without embellishment, without such a twisting of facts, must be transferred to the political square. well, to convey to people, and this is not necessary, well, it will be the information that

farmers will want to hear, they are now using this opportunity in order to secure additional subsidies for themselves, additional benefits given the fact that they lose competition to ukrainian agriculture, which is currently completely undersubsidized in europe, well, on our territory, and... means that it is much more competitive, and this is a potential point tension, and precisely this common agrarian policy of the european union, which for decades determined... the subsidized nature of agriculture in europe, will have to be revised by the european union. we are just waiting for such a report to be presented by the european commission at the end of february on the challenges that the european union must overcome before the new wave of enlargement. and here i am convinced that

this will be one of those, well, of those areas that will require a review and, er, such a difficult internal discussion of the european union and the same with us, it is obvious to you and me, as people who today are fighting for survival and for us to have a choice, it is obviously quite difficult to accept some pseudo-rational arguments from our colleagues, when for us it is the only opportunity to have additional income. to our budget, and for us it is an opportunity to provide our security and defense component. and tell me, mrs. ivan, what can be expected from the summit of joseph balden and olaf scholz, this is on the ninth of february, already literally in a few days. well, i don't know what we can expect as a result of this summit, but we

definitely understand that this is after all these decisions that were made at the level of... the union and actually at the level of germany itself, which doubled even the provision of ukraine of military assistance for the 24th year, which is planning, and also preparing, well, before signing , here is my vision of these, obligations regarding the provision of security assistance, because i cannot call them security guarantees, however one would like to call it bank guarantees today, i think , which at all these... package of achievements, let's say , how europe sees how in szolka, as one, as the leader of one of the key and important countries of the european union, sees an increase in his role in supporting ukraine, then it will obviously also be about well, use this as an argument for an internal discussion in

the united states of america, that they say europe does not transfer the burden. support of ukraine to the states, does its job, but also expects from the states, well, a serious infusion of additional opportunities for ukraine to hold on and win in this battle, in this in this battle. thank you, ms. ivanna, ivana klynpushat, for being a people's deputy of ukraine, the head of the committee on ukraine's integration into the european union, and... now we are moving from european terrain to american terrain. ihor eisenberg, professor at new york university. congratulations, mr. igor. greetings, mr. vitaliy, greetings ms. khrystyna, greetings to all viewers. so, let 's start by talking about this publication in the washington post, which is now being discussed, about what nibel's ukrainian leadership allegedly said

informed the u.s. about the intention to change the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, and... the u.s. leadership responded to volodymyr zelensky, you know, just like, i apologize for the joke of a jew to a non-believer on the sabbath, do as you know, do you believe in this at all, in such synogolic relations between the white house and the bank? look, i i when american newspapers refer to some source? russian, let's say, regarding what is happening in russia, i don't really believe it, because i always think that it can be such a deliberate injection of disinformation from russia, but when american newspapers refer to american sources, which they don't name, that relate to what is going on somewhere in the administration in the white house, i rather

believe that it is real information, no, that it is not real, and i... willingly, i believe that in the united states they would be unhappy with the possible resignation of valery zalushny, and therefore it is quite possible that, whatever, exactly such an answer was given. mr. igor, well , in general, if we talk about what unfolded, unfolded in ukraine this week and about the reaction in the united states, whether the visit... in particular of the political, yes, political delegation from the state department of victoria nulad, there was a place to be here, there was a place in order to somehow... calm the situation and was it successful in your opinion? in the united states, you see,

there was no official comment on the possible resignation of valery zaluzhnyi, but the last two or three days, it was very actively discussed in the media, in particular on television, and television in general is more focused on what is inside the united states is being done, well here i am, for example, last night i was watching cnn and msnbc, it was discussed there. quite a lot of time was devoted to this, with sympathy for the hard worker, and with such questions as, well, why can’t the commander-in-chief be changed in the middle of a war, well, such comments came from journalists, not from officials, that is, do the officials hold the same opinion we can only imagine, well, but if we believe, because the washington post really refers to about... sources, then it is so, and therefore i think that the administration was not unhappy with these

rumors, this information, regarding victoria nuland, i drew attention to the fact that neither volodymyr zelenskyi nor yermak, who is not unofficially, so to speak, a confidant of volodymyr, met with her. zelenskyi , was it, mr. igor, that there were simply no reports about some part of the program of the deputy secretary of state, no , i am not responsible for anything, of course, but they say so simply, maybe, maybe, but let’s say, in the official notification of the state department about her meetings in kyiv, well, it was said there that she confirmed the firm determination and decisive support of the united states of ukraine in its struggle, well and so on and so on, that is, i can't you... that she also spoke about the possible resignation of zaluzhnyi, because, well, of course, that it was known in the united states, what was happening there, and since, since of everything

we we see that the administration was not satisfied with this, it is quite possible that she spoke about this, and certainly, for now the question of help for us from the united states remains hanging in the air, senate majority leader chuck schumer said that already next... week the senate will vote for an additional bill on national security, which includes a bipartisan agreement on border security, and, of course, aid to ukraine and israel, at what stage are these processes in the united states now. and as far as we can understand the bill, it's ready, it's an agreed version of it by these two groups of senators, one group from the democrats, the other group from the republicans. even the leader of senator lankfort's republican caucus was reprimanded by the oklahoma republican party committee for negotiating with democrats to approve this

draft law and chuck schumer, who determines the agenda of the senate, as the leader of the majority, he said that he agreed to vote on wednesday, but there should be several votes, because in the senate there is such a procedure for consideration of bills, they must vote first. to start debating a bill and it takes 60 votes to do that, i think from everything i 've seen that those 60 votes will be because the overwhelming majority of democrats support this bill, it may not be supported by a few left-wing democrats in the senate because they oppose unconditional aid to israel, and they also don't like the immigration changes that have been made, but it will be a few votes against. then among the republicans there are about 20 senators who are far-right in their views, or are oriented towards trump, but it will still be enough to have 60 votes, so

what will happen next is unknown, and no one can predict this now, because what the speaker will decide of the house of representatives, whether he will put it on the agenda of the house or not, no one knows because his statements are very contradictory, by the way, he has to give an interview tomorrow. on the nbc channel , such a sunday, weekly program, a meeting with the press, there will be a big interview with him, maybe he will say something new, because it seems to me that when he made demands back in november that the aid to ukraine is connected with changes in the beginning he said with strengthening security at the border, biden submitted this bill, where aid to ukraine, aid to israel, aid to taiwan and four. on strengthening security at the border, then he said that more changes are needed in immigration legislation, now these changes have been agreed to, he said a week ago that this

bill... died on the way to the house of representatives, my impression is that from the beginning he was putting forward terms that he thought would be unacceptable to the democrats, for the administration, and then he will always be able to say: well, you see, we cannot get excited about helping ukraine because the administration does not care about the southern border, about the fact that it is reduced, reduce the flow of illegal immigrants and so on, now he cannot say. but the problem is that donald trump, he is building, for the most part , his campaign right now, on the fact that he is the only person who can solve the border problems, so he simply does not want this bill to pass and because there there is aid to ukraine, and because there are really a lot of things there that can help greatly reduce the slow flow of immigrants heading

to the united states. from mexico, ugh, and mr. igor, another such toy that trump likes to play with in the conditions of the pre-election campaigns, this is the economic, in general, status and condition of the united states, now poliiko is writing about the fact that the economy of the united states is improving, and this is already forcing trump, and apparently his advisers to look. other buttons to push in the run-up to the election to play them, and essentially play against joseph biden. as far as, well, what will donald trump do next? it's hard to predict, he, by the way, a few days ago, he's on his social network, this truth, social, he, he tweeted that the economy is improving, the stock market is hitting records

because... his comeback, is it because of him, that is, what's going to be, what's going to be next, it's hard to say, actually, he, he from all his recent speeches, he's really taken this the problem of the border and illegal migrants, and he repeated all last week that only he can solve this problem, and that this draft law, which has been prepared in the senate, is bad, and it is better that there is no ... any draft law than , that the draft law is bad, while he repeats, that there are 300,000 murders in the united states every year, allegedly, what, what are these murders committed by illegal immigrants, well , this is absolutely not true, but he says this, and at the same time he wants nothing to be done for another year , to reduce the flow of illegal immigrants , that is, if you believe him, he is suggesting

that there will be more... murders, what will happen next, it's hard to say, i really, really don't have the answer, but i think he will continue to do what he does, ot repeating these themes that only he can improve the economy, it is improving thanks to him, that only he will solve the border problem , that he can stop the war in ukraine, only he will not do it in 24 hours, but he will, he will constantly repeat these the same things. and you, by the way, can understand this social schizophrenia that i see all the time in the united states, when people tell me that they are supporters of make america great agent of this movement in favor of trump and at the same time supporters of ukraine, that they came these in maga t-shirts, at the congress session dedicated to helping ukraine. i absolutely agree with you that this is schizophrenia,

because that is what it is. as split personalities, so how is it possible, how is it possible to support this magarukh and at the same time support ukraine, i don’t understand what is in people’s heads, i just that it is clear to me that modern methods of influencing people’s consciousness, there are so many of them that very it's just to program people's consciousness into some, let's say dark. the dark side, when people simply stop understanding reality, and live in millions of people, tens of hundreds of millions of people, and all over the world, somehow they move into virtual reality, but instead of the real world, they see some kind of virtual world, and so do many supporters of donald trump, they see the world that draws them to...