but nasiychuk, we are talking about drones and production in small workshops or so-called family production. so, how many of these drones can your small team of people make in a month, and can you spread this experience across the country? i think there are many such groups of like-minded people, they urged everyone to do it at home, yes, but here we are talking about what is not at home, in the workshop, it is happening in the workshop, so is it possible to spread it in order to disrupt it. production and at the same time, in order to have mass, we summarized the results of january with our workshop, in general, we sent 150 drones to the front in january, and this is an extremely large number for a small fund, we, to be honest, did not expect it ourselves, because this process is constantly dynamic, and we do not calculate like that on a daily basis, that is, we operate more there are other criteria, let's say so, secondly, it is... worth

spreading, but it is worth spreading precisely in the format of small workshops of this dispersed mass production. i'm very skeptical of the claims of personalized that anyone in the kitchen can assemble a drone, you know, we had a case where we in the drone just they changed the controller to another manufacturer, because the one that was good for us was simply not available, so our oleg flashed this drone, well, he spent three days just flashing it. because i could not flash it for correct work, it was just a replacement of one component, and this is already a person who at that time is sufficiently qualified to make high-quality firmware and install high-quality software, to configure correctly, what i am leading to is a certain point of accumulation of knowledge e and help mutual aid in the form of small workshops, in the form of associations of small environments and with which... we are ready to share

knowledge, or at least say which conditionally rakes we definitely don't need to step on, well, i think that there will be many open environments, in a word, we need to assemble a team, in which there will be a specialist, an it expert , an engineer, and all the others, because just like that, when they called all ukrainians, it was only reggae who called it, because everyone understood that it is good to screw the screw there... maybe, but on this will be the end of the work of an amateur, and i want to return to it you say that we will scale , not so much in number as on other elements of drones, that is, now the war of drones is going on both day and night, once, at night i always read every morning with pleasure, so that there is a good mood for the whole day , tantrums of russians, that baba yaga has arrived, but are you taking such and such a direction? it's a very cool invention, we should

be proud of it, just a military invention that unfortunately appeared in this war, on a large scale, but it's now one of those octocopter drones, so there's not four screw, there are usually six or eight in different modifications, it is very important from the point of view, if we take the direction from zaporozhye towards melitopol, there are the lines of the so-called sorovikin, where a lot of concrete is poured, where are these dugouts. according to the guys, with a simple assault , well, it is almost impossible to take, or with extremely large losses, but the value of life, we declare everywhere and do everything to ensure that it remains the greatest in our country, so this is exactly the type of drones that carry out these dugouts, if there not immediately, then systematic work is a chance, shift or buy a lot there.

of manpower, well, not the enemy, but this cattle, which , unfortunately, hates the ukrainian land, the enemy is this, it is in other wars with other countries, well, it is when people fight with people, then the term enemy adversary is used, here it is a little different situation, there are no people here, and that is why the variant of baba yaga and this name, this is a very cool cool drone. er, we also have a certain vision for er for such a drone, i think it will be closer to two or three months, our test options will be implemented, and besides that, that is swung, so will baba yga from you, we have already reached a certain level of knowledge that allows us to model the next type, the next generation of drones, and then tell us one more moment, guys... this is like

a classic of such a struggle, if there is artillery, there is a counter-battery fight, and drones, guys, and we are mice and cats in this. in the drone war, we also have to give adequate answers to these challenges, i.e. to tighten part by part in the fight against drones, i.e., slaves who would work effectively on the kamikaze drones that are flying in our direction from the muscovites, by the way, and you yourself are looking for some options so that they can test our drones on raps, that is, we will continue to focus on ... how the rap will affect them, and i will say that a powerful rap, well, there is no such drone on which it will not affect, of any manufacturer, a powerful rap will definitely have an impact and the jubilee work of the operator will either allow a hit or

not. the hype topic now is artificial intelligence, self-guidance, and sooner or later will be implemented, but for this we still need to get it. a lot of time, it’s not as simple a process as it’s easy to talk about, they say, but i’m surprised that they already have artificial intelligence controlling whole flocks of drones, they fly, yes, in swarms, they fly, they work, all of them with their own brains , they have flown in, they are letting go, it is already analogue network, we will allow them to bathe in it, i.e. let them fool their population and themselves, but the fact that they are working very hard in this direction at the level of the state apparatus, this should not be rejected either, i.e. despite the fact that they are cattle they know how to fight, they also learn, they learn quickly, drones on their kamikaze drones in separate directions are already flying more towards our positions than we send

to theirs, and this is also , unfortunately, the objective truth. they sent us videos and also photos, complete sets and assemblies of muscovite drones. which did not explode, fortunately for our military, there are very technological and expensive, expensive drones , there are two initialization boards, there are certain frequency filters, this, well, this is not a joke, that is, they approached it very powerfully in terms of resources, it is clear, that is, the enemy is also learning and approached it, as always, with the scope of everything for the front. i would like to sum it all up with one intention: let there be baba yaga for everyone. our babayaga for each of their immeasurable covers, mr. yuriy, thank you for what you do, thank you for what you showed, explained and were with us, yuriy tanasiychuk, head of the april volunteer fund on the espresso tv channel. and if someone from the audience has time, inspiration and skills, you can join the peypril fund, they will always find something for you

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politclub. every sunday at 20:10 at espresso. welcome to the studio. we now have a wonderful guest, ex-deputy minister of defense of ukraine, hanna malyar. ms. hanna, thank you very much for taking the time to visit us. you and i will talk a lot about your field of activity as deputy minister of defense, however, first of all, given the information space, i would like to ask you about the dismissal of mr. valery zaluzhnyi, in your opinion, should the commander-in-chief be dismissed during heavy war, which enjoys great trust among the population, the military, and the media, this

right or is it a disaster? there are two components to this issue, the first is all this horror that is happening informationally around the issue, and here once again i want to remind you that any information that comes out, it is important to understand the surname, who is the first source, that is, not an anonymous source, not one of our informants , surname, let the person state his surname, who said it, or a state institution, the ministry can appear there, some department can state, but let them sign what they said, everything else we should understand that this is gossip, and that is up to you, to feed on this informational garbage or not to feed on it, and as for any... changes in the military leadership, i will remind you that in the summer of 2021, the president changed the military

command, then the commander was replaced , the chief of the general staff, the commanders of many kinds of species and partly the leadership of the ministry, and in fact then i was also appointed in that wave, yes, it was the summer of the 21st, that is, we have to... understand that this is the prerogative of the president, yes, because the ministry of defense and the armed forces under it - it is a military vertical that is subordinate to the commander-in-chief, that is, if for ordinary citizens he is the president and a politician, then for the military and for the ministry of defense he is the leader, and he has the right to make such decisions, and the responsibility is currently borne by the president, because he is elected by the people, and not the minister of defense or head of state, they were not elected, they were... appointed by the president, and if the appointment is successful, it is the president’s merit, if the appointment is unsuccessful, it also means

the president’s underdevelopment, it is his responsibility, that is why, in general, the situation in the state is the responsibility of the president elected by the people, so it is probably not for us to tell him what to do, he is responsible for it, you probably had the opportunity to get to know mr. valery zaluzhny better, and it is interesting to... understand your attitude to him as a professional and generally as a man? well, before the broadcast , i said that it was a very warm attitude, of course. but not only to valeriy fedorovych, because i know them all, and i have, well, not that warm, but a warm emotional attitude towards and our general staff, and to the chief commissar , and to the deputies, and to the commanders, well, because i worked with them and all of them, and we went through a period that brought us very close together, when we were in shelters, where we were there around the clock and

lived there for a certain time, and of course that difficult trials and such times, they are human... and a purely human attitude is definitely very good to everyone, but the personal must be separated from the state, especially when the war is going on, and we, well, it has been two years , yes, it is already possible to make certain results, certain conclusions, understand what decisions were made wrong, what decisions were successful, and here it is important to say that, analyzing the full-scale war, what we have... over these years, what victories we have, yes, what shortcomings we have, we have a definite turning point in the war , this is the defense of kyiv, because it completely changed the plans of the enemy and the enemy did not succeed in capturing all of ukraine, i will remind you that oleksandr stanislavovich syrskyi was responsible for the defense of kyiv, this was his defense plan, and we had an absolutely

victorious liberation of kharkiv oblast, we remember we drive tens of thousands of km and m... this unique operations when the ukrainian army attacked, because i want to note that the ukrainian army has been preparing for defense since 1991, and it was mentally difficult for us to carry out these offensives, yes, these are very interesting things, i hope that historians will describe this separately military, and we will analyze it in another way, the kharkiv operation was just as completely planned and implemented. in syrskyi, kherson oblast, we also have commanders who, well, asuf, tavria is ternavskyi, yes, we have commanders of the south, kovalchuk was there, and maskalev was there, yes, and reassignments are taking place there, by the way, reassignments, rotations are taking place, these are military, these are normal things, that is, we have already

counted the mitres with you, and the victories are very serious during this time, and definitely. the fact that the main direction of the enemy's offensive is the east, and during all this time, especially on the 23rd , the enemy did not manage to break through the defenses, and the fact that the enemy was not able to pass through bakhmud further and did not completely capture donetsk-luhansk, these are also our victories, which need to be understood, but we have a history of counter-offensives, i will say frankly, i cannot judge the military, i understand for myself. that the military can do that, yes, we will not, we are just like that, yes, i believe that it was, well, a heroic act of our army, because it risked going forward in conditions where we have fewer weapons and fewer people , and according to all military books and science, they do not go forward under such conditions,

but that is why it is still a heroic story, instead , the military did not reach the goals that only they, and certainly, all this military expected, they must draw conclusions, not vertical, if we are talking with you, then definitely the president too, yes, he should analyze it and draw conclusions from it and make decisions that will make the further struggle more effective, were there any structural contradictions between the general staff and the ministry of defense, now i will tell you a secret. maybe it's polishenel, maybe everyone knows him, but when i came to the ministry, it was august 21st, the minister was andriy vasyliovych, it's not a secret yet, yes, it's not a secret, but already, and the glavcommittee had already been appointed well, literally there for two weeks was appointed, and several deputies were changed there, and i came to a situation where

there was no time between the armed forces and the ministry for about six months. document circulation, well, everything stopped, because everything that came from the ministry was there, well, it was hanging on a pause somewhere, i will put it so delicately, that is, there was a confrontation there before us, and it will be after us, this is a specificity laid down by legislation, there is nothing to do with it if you don't, there will be constant competition between these two structures, that is, the armed forces are a huge, powerful... force organism, which is subordinate to the civilian, yes, the ministry, the military, well, in fact, they make a career, for a long time, all their lives, from youth to old age, and... the civilian structure, the ministry, people are constantly updated, and this is a normal political process, and it definitely contributes very serious difficulties in this communication, well, but

you have to accept it, know that it will be like that, and find tools to work in the conditions of this constant confrontation. well, i found this tool, thank god, i developed a very good relationship with everyone military, and i was very closely integrated into theirs. structure mrs. hanna, how do you evaluate the statements of people's deputy maryana bezuglai regarding valery zaluzhny and the armed forces of ukraine in general? i want to clarify, i wouldn't want us to discuss the form, the way she does it, overly emotional, for sure. but the content itself, is there any meaning in what she says? well , i'll cover some points a little bit, so maryana bezugla is a member

of the national security committee, and we worked on our issues, well, let's say on those bills that were made there on my part, for which i was responsible, yes, we cooperated, and maryana has a very deep knowledge of the issues. of the armed forces and the ministry, this is the first thing, yes, it is necessary to understand that this is a person who is deeply in the subject, secondly, i believe, as a lawyer, that the voter gives an assessment to a deputy, that is, it is not my task and it is not my right or duty to give an assessment , because there is a deputy who was elected by the people, who was trusted, and accordingly this person and other deputies represent their voters. well, that's all , so they do what was delegated to them, well, it’s a different form, we live in a free state, and here, well, people who perform certain

state functions have different opportunities to communicate, deputies, they are more free, yes, a person who, say, works in the executive branch, there, let's say a minister or a deputy minister, they are already limited by many things, including government discipline. for what they can get there, well, and reprimand anything, yes, if it is some kind of communication that is very harmful and so on, deputies no, they are free people in them, well , they have the right to express themselves, here you are they talked about communications between units, and i am interested in one point, in november 2021, kyrylo budanov in an interview with mili'. declared that a full-scale invasion of the russian federation would take place in january-february 22. he even described how it

would happen, and in many ways, unfortunately, it coincided. it is interesting to understand whether this was, whether the leak of this information was agreed with the ministry of defense and how your department reacted to it? indeed, the main intelligence agency within the ministry of defense, and all communication in general and with our armed forces is coordinated, the only thing i can say is that it did not happen immediately, i built this system, and by the time i was released, it was already working like clockwork, that is, we had our own the internal system, how we coordinate among ourselves, moreover, on military issues, we coordinated with all the main speakers of the state, this is the parliament, and the office of the president, and the cabinet

of ministers, and inconsistencies, i think that this is noticeable, after the summer of the 22nd, we no longer had that is, this system was already completely built and worked out by me, and all the law enforcement agencies, others, they were all coordinated by me on the information topic of the war, because each... of them still has its own specifics, that's why kirill oleksiiovych, well, if you are alluding to the , how is it self-activity, no, of course, well, it’s a person , well, with such a position, well, it’s impossible for it to be self-activity, that is, it was agreed with you, well, look, there are various informational tasks, stories, but we can’t now, well to say everything, but such departments do not happen information of self-activity, there are different moments, it happens that internally there may be a different position regarding the submission of this or that information,

we have had this more than once. this is a normal process, we are not north korea, so yes, even with regard to the counteroffensive, there were nuances , but he is the head of intelligence, he has the right, ms. hanna, which mistakes and achievements could you outline in your work as deputy minister defense? and i made a public report, everything i did. and i believe that every minister and deputy should to do this when leaving a position, because we are not eternal, there are no eternal positions, and work should be evaluated solely by the result, returning, by the way, to military appointments, yes, because you like it, you don’t like it, a good person, not good, it for personal life, and for work

, the result, in all directions, what i did, read there, do not re-read, there is a huge report, everyone can go to my social networks, to facebook, there to telegram, to read all this, and i came across, not only me, all the information units of the ministry of defense and armed forces forces with the beginning of a full-scale invasion faced a challenge for which it was impossible to prepare, well, no one knew how the information field would function in the conditions of ... such a serious war, and therefore i would not call it mistakes, i would call it that we studied in the field, and we, yes, i will say frankly, because i spent the first months sitting at the same table with the chief, deputies and the chief of the general staff, and it was there in such a circle that we then, well, from the submission of the military

, we found out for. .. yourself, what information, how you can or you can't submit, because how it happened, because from certain information you could already understand the reaction of the enemy and understand, yes, that's all, so the next time we say it wrong, we say it like that, because we suffered there troops, or it didn't go where we planned, and here the most difficult thing in this story, the most difficult thing, is that before the big invasion, we were working. as well as you journalists to provide information as soon as possible, to be open, to demonstrate that we have no secrets, that, here, in one day, we suddenly have to switch to a completely different way, on the contrary, we cannot say anything, because everything we say is analyzed by the enemy, and we do not have the task of informing at all, because the troops, without distinction,

know here in people in the rear, where they are... they don't know whether they are there now, it's hard to imagine in democratic rallies, but it's true. and yes, we learned, we had a lot of different stories while we learned how to do it all. then, don't forget that you yourself, i think, noticed that sometime since the summer of the 22nd, we have practically no there were uncontrollable public speeches by mayors, various local administrations, about where the enemy hit, where he would settle there, all these military personnel. from the point of view of information , it was completely coordinated, and i completely organized the local press headquarters into one system, we have a common chat, we brought them all together with the military, and we learned how to do it all, but it took time, and it was difficult history, then can you single out some special, perhaps victories on the information front against russia, eh? means

against russia, but these are two different ones.