do people here in the rear know where they are now or not, it is difficult to imagine in democratic rallies, but it is true, and yes, we learned, we had a lot of different stories while we learned to do all this, then do not forget, that you yourselves, i think, noticed that sometime from the summer of the 22nd, we practically no longer had uncontrolled public speeches by mayors, various local administrations, about where the enemy hit, all these military things from information, it was completely coordinated , yes i completely organized the press headquarters locals into one system, we have a common chat there, we brought them all together with the military, and we all learned how to do it, but it took time, yes, it was a complicated story, so can you single out some special, perhaps victories in the information field on the front about...

against russia, which means against russia, and these are two different fields of work in the ukrainian information space and separately in the russian one. i will tell you that literally in the first days we created a group of various law enforcement agencies and volunteers of the advertising market, who at their own expense, with their own efforts and including power'. the ministry of digital, worked very powerfully several campaigns, then the first in the territory of the russian federation, which influenced the course of certain events. and, since we still use these information technologies, we will reveal them already after the victory, but believe me, on the territory of russia everything that is necessary... is being worked out, and even

we recorded that they noticed it, they even organized a press conference, that they cannot influence it, this is a separate story that concerns the territory of ukraine, we have such a challenge, it is to calm people down, that the armed forces and the ministry of defense should not do, but we did it, and valery fedorovych in the first days, and he and i went out there... we took videos and photos there, because we understood that the ukrainians could not to recover from this shock, yes , this was also necessary, here is an important point, which i now want to point out, that this is not just psychotherapy, we want to reassure ukrainians, no, it is important for us to maintain the offensive potential of the nation, not only of the army, which is at the forefront, because she draws her emotions from the one in which

the state society is in, and it is important for us that society is not just calmed down , that it has offensive potential, these are very important things, we are informational, well , i think we have worked them out well, you do not think that society has been too calmed down, around the middle of last year, well, different people were on the air, if you... allude to oleksiy, oleksiy fulfilled his task very well, he coped with it, and such a person was needed on the air, we even joked that oleksiy calms down women, and i am men, well, this is a joke, of course, these are other things, we cannot say here that only one person and... one person should be on the air, and we

worked through both official channels and , believe me, a very large number of unofficial ones, a huge army of information volunteers worked with us, and to this day all these people, they work, yes, they help, and that's why not only messages went, well , messages from people who are very recognizable, and not only from the ministry or the armed forces, but also from many other leaders of public opinion, who and thank you to everyone who ... supported this situation then and supported this one offensive potential, that we will not give up , yes, victories are important here, yes, of course, the liberation of kyiv region gave us this inner spirit, the confidence that we can win, but now, for example, it is more difficult to maintain it, but it is necessary, i will clarify , ms. hanna, i did not mean talking heads, yes, relatively speaking, but an information campaign regarding... mobilization, here we have,

for example, some regions that at the beginning of the full-scale invasion gave 80% of the plan, they are as of the middle they started in the 23rd year give 10, 12, 13%. what can this be related to? and there are natural processes , the number of people in ukraine is finite, well, that is, they, yes , there are as many as there are, a priori we have a smaller country and fewer people than the enemy, we just have to understand that the whole war until victory itself we will fight in conditions of scarcity. shortage of human resources and weapons, well , and weapons, it is extremely difficult to reach parity with the russians, because they were a huge state preparing for this war since 1991, but some of our powerful people at one time handed it over to the russians

as well as rockets, which are now being fired at us and destroying our cities, that's why these different internal policies, they led to overcoming this inconsistency. now it is extremely difficult, that’s all, they accepted it as an axiom, now we are learning to fight in conditions where there are fewer people, fewer weapons, and we take professionalism, yes, what we actually manage, in the first months there was no such problem, because there were volunteers, i will remind you that in the first weeks, about 100,000 tros were recruited, that is, well, a huge army of people, yes, then there was another problem, that... with such the tsc could not cope with the influx of people, these same people need to be accommodated, clothed, fed, trained, and this is urgently needed, and the tsc are not designed for such an influx of people, and in general

, the tsc system, i want to remind you, was completely destroyed under yanukovych, and under two weeks before the maidan in 2013 by yanukovych, by his decree the conscript army was completely destroyed, i.e. you and i... we received the remnants that had to be restored there, restored, but the 14th year in terms of volume, it is still not the 22nd, and then the mobilization continued constantly, well with the same level, well, of the fulfillment of these norms, and this need was formed at the beginning of the invasion, and it was constantly renewed, yes, but this final number had not yet been dialed, which then... well, i cannot voice it, yes , the law forbids, but it was not recruited even for a year and a half or so, then you and i saw an absolutely shameful phenomenon, this is what was happening in some tsk and some military committees,

these abuses, bribes, these things, they are in at some point gained critical mass, absolutely, these are things that need to be eradicated, and some of the... the system has been in a bit of turmoil because there's been a change of management and you know this whole company and now they're faced with learning how to work, well, according to the law , this is the first, and the second is that the human resource, yes, it is decreasing, and this is a very complicated story, and the plus is that our legislation was imperfect, it did not allow it. to fully understand our mobilization capabilities, but now changes are being made, and we will already fully understand what we have. mrs. hanna, i wonder if you encountered russian security forces and some very powerful

fakes against ukraine, for example, maybe even the mobilization in ukraine, or did the enemy try to disrupt it? yes, yes, they are on them... the two information goals are people and weapons, because these are the two key factors of victory, people are weapons on every side, so their task is to make sure that we do not get weapons, and they are very strongly discredit us as a recipient or recipient of weapons in the west, that is, we constantly have to fight back there from these campaigns that we have somewhere, well, there are fewer of them now, at the beginning of the invasion - it was simply terrifying. and that we are selling these weapons somewhere, and that they were found somewhere in some country , in some hot spot, these are the weapons that someone provided to ukraine there, well, in a word, yes, they launched a lot of such things, and the second is to hit in terms of our human resources,

including the discrediting of the mobilization process, this is a complicated story, because our military commissars also contributed to the discrediting, and here, you know, the russians have a lot to do... what happened, they just took these specific cases and hyped them up, inflated them, although it cannot be said that... all the tsk and all military commissars did not work well, because they ensured this whole process for a moment, when they needed hundreds of thousands instantly to mobilize people, who did it, they did it, they are actually one of the pillars of defense capability, but now due to the fact that there were people among them who behaved in an unacceptable manner, we essentially branded the entire system, well, we have to, well, what should we do, it is necessary to restore, adjust the work. ms hanna, can you recall perhaps

the most dramatic moment of your work at the ministry of defense? well, in any case, these are the first days and the first weeks of a full-scale invasion, then we got involved in this situation, got used to it, found opportunities there, how to do what, and... first, of course, it was a very difficult period, and a difficult period , because not until the end, well, in the first days , we did not understand whether kyiv would stand or not, the situation was very risky then, and those were such times, well, emotionally, yes, i remember now, they were difficult, well, for example, all me they always ask, for the first four days , four... days, no one slept there, yes , the head of the ngsh, their deputies were there, well, there

were a large number of people there, yes, so no one slept, and i have these photos and videos , when we appeared on the air with such terrible eyes , and what did you drink there, how did you hold yourself , so that you understand, this is an internal state, this is adrenaline, there was no, well, there was nothing, not coffee, something like that or some pills. stimulating no, this is such an internal state that we all need to get together now, well, it seemed that now we would do something very strong jerk, and this will radically help to solve this situation, and then i remember the first weeks there was such a thing that they could not eat, they could not sleep, that is, all this human resource is ordinary, it is very effective why. then i was working on this adrenaline, that's what i remember, well, i remember, at night, because we

understood that the russians could come in, they basically knew the layout of these premises, well , now there is no one there, and then they knew because they were built in soviet times, these questions were discussed, what will we do if, if they come, that is, we agreed on how to react, what? and last september they wrote that you reduced the staff of military television and army fm, what was the reason? oh, thank you for the question, because today there is no such tool that can be used to inform everyone, yes, i shared this story in my social networks, well, but less with that, you need to explain more, so, well... first of all , in order for us to join the european union, our partners

set us a number of conditions, including the absence of state media, complete liquidation state propaganda, that is absolute, and if the ministry of defense has its own propaganda for them, it is state propaganda, and they did not accept any arguments about this at all, well, they do not accept it, but... the only thing we were able to do was well, to convince them, because i will remind you that a new law on the media was adopted, according to which there should no longer be any military media, that is why i did not reduce them, and i am very grateful to the deputies who persuaded and met with partners, and we, on the contrary, kept the military media for the duration of the war, because they should already... not be in favor by the new law, and the only thing that

could not be saved were the news agencies, they simply don’t exist under the new law, they don’t exist, we have to liquidate them, so we simply implemented the law and found another form to at least leave something from this agency, yes it it just exists now in a different form, legally under a different name, that is, there was no way out, as far as military television is concerned. then the story is the other way around, yes, it was created, well , it was initiated and created by me, and now, thank god , it works, military television army tv, with to me, we received a state license, and why was such an idea born, why is it necessary? and because i believe that the military should talk about their lives and what is happening there at the front, i think that they deserve during the war, so that they can talk about it without including 5 minutes somewhere on the air or someone alone in an interview , and so that all

press officers, for example, in all brigades, would have to constantly say that when they want to go on the air, they can go on the air, yes. and don't forget that we had hundreds of thousands of people mobilized, among whom are incredible professionals of the media front, and to be honest, when i met them at the front, i understood for myself that we are also at war with information, we are carrying out very serious informational tasks, which you see, well, they saw me and thought that this everything we do, if i'm on the air or the speaker of the general staff or someone from the osuvs, our stars are already there, and natalya hominnyuk and ignat are there. yevla, yes, that is, people who are already recognized, that's all, in fact, this is the tip of the iceberg, information about what we did, and i realized that people who worked very professionally as media workers in peacetime, well, in conditionally peaceful time, yes, until the end of the tour, in civilian life, and they should be found in

the army, so that we do not learn anew, but that they have this cool product, but already being in the army, they know... well, all the military reals to make it, that's why i created, and i thank the minister at the time for the support of this, a military unit, in which we actually took television operators, radio operators, and so on writing journalists who would create this media for ah information war, and they are very strong about it everything was strengthened, and so that after... demobilization, because these are the people who are being demobilized, this whole system does not collapse, yes, a separate military television remained, that is, in fact, all people must work with army tv, but we left it my conscious position is to leave military television to take over this baton when all these specialists

are demobilized, and my dream is that these cool eyes... those media people who are mobilized, taught the military to make quality, cool television, such military discovery. on your look, does it work now? well, i hope so, because the leader hilarion pavlyuk is also a person i met in the army, we have known him for a long time on the project ukraine says. and, i, i, i hope, yes, that he succeeds, i wish so, yes. you said it yourself. about the need to talk more about the military, and in the context of this , the leader of the servant of the people faction, david rahamia, claims that he is persuading the president to release data on ukraine's losses in a full-scale war. how do you feel about this, do you share his idea? and i will tell you

frankly, i didn't understand what was going on here either. say how many casualties we have, what is the problem with this, yes, and at the beginning of a large, full-scale invasion, the military explained to me that this is not about freedom of speech or people's access to information, the fact is that the military, planning their operations are based , among other things, on information about the number of combats. capable persons in the enemy's units, and by this number, because they have limits, how many percent are already incapacitated, they are both wounded and killed, it is equally incapacitated for them, yes, they, when there is a battle, a battle, or an operation is planned, they count how many units there are, and they

calculate for themselves according to losses, what other tasks this unit can be assigned to, and by number. losses, because they have their own norms, if there are losses, i am tentatively saying the numbers now, for example, more than 20%, then they know for sure that the unit will not do this and that anymore, so this information is carefully hidden, and the russians also hide from us, but we, since we are at war with them, including information, we show their numbers, yes, it is ours war with them, but our military figures are asked not to speak, it is a state secret , that's why i explain it, but there was a case when the commander-in-chief once , it seems to have been the summer of the 22nd, announced the figure, then it was 90 dead, i will explain the prerequisites, we had public initiatives. who believed that the criminal state did not want to say how many people died, and it was necessary, and they began to collect information from the relatives of the dead, although this

information, in principle, in general, after the victory, it will not be possible to hide it, because it is payments, well, that and they about, organizing these relatives, plus or minus, according to our data, came out to a similar number, and we understood that, well, if it starts now , yes... but the public, they will start, well, it is very dangerous for the armed forces themselves, and they accepted the decision that they will come out, they will say this, and then they will explain to the public that these numbers should not be announced, because it is important for the military and why, and then we conducted this information campaign as much as we could, well, as we already could, we explained that, by the way, what about that, can you explain to our viewers, what are losses... published by the general staff of the russian federation, these are the losses of killed and wounded russians, killed and wounded, just in the military, well, we as

civilians are constantly confused by this, in the military losses are all losses, they have a wounded it is also written loss, ugh, because he is no longer capable of combat, that is, for them, this person is no longer there, he is not fighting, that is, in theory, out of the 400 thousand that we have at the moment. a certain percentage may have already returned to the front and are fighting against ukraine again, well, if they are wounded, well, of course they may return, but it is worth noting that the russians are very disrespectful to their wounded, and they don't save as much there as they do here, and the percentage of return is much higher, the russians, they somehow scatter people like that. therefore, if it is returned, not much, let 's hope for it, ms. hanna, we are running out of time, but i really want to ask you about

how working in the ministry of defense changed you, then this is a different person altogether, that person died and another, absolutely, well, this job was born changes, especially in the conditions of a full-scale invasion, this is me... i have become a man inside, it seems to me that way, completely, this, i ask everyone who is in favor of gender equality to understand, but here these are such psychological and physical loads, and that what i had to go through, well, i became just stocky, firm, tough, i can withstand anything , what i thought i could not withstand, now, well, the main thing is gone... fear in general, well, in general, he , it disappears there, otherwise it is impossible to work with it, and it is even sometimes scary because it is not there fear, because this is the instinct of self-

preservation, it should be, you have gained experience in the ministry of defense, and how do you use it now and whether you use it at all, and unfortunately, the war is going on, so there is not much choice here, go to some creative one. legal process, yes, because i am a lawyer by profession and science , i have been involved for many years in very interesting, yes, political crime, wars, including, of course, i would like to sit down now and freely think about everything, talk to scientists, but war, we must each one to do everything in my area to win, that's why, i roll up my sleeves and do it, yes, i can do it on the information front, i now think... that i gave the opportunity to foreign journalists with whom i worked from a different angle to show ukraine now, that is, i developed this, this vision, this idea

, so that the western audience would perceive this war in such a way that they would support giving us aid, this is our task, because all foreign governments, they need the support of their population, because they are all elected too , it's important to them, and that's why we... worked, i was on a very big event in germany , i was invited by german documentarians who make documentaries about wars in the world in general, it was more than about 400 journalists from all over europe and america, including 50 of them there - they are producers of european and american tv channels, and they wanted from i want to hear how to cover the war so that their audience will watch it, so that it is not for... along with the ukrainian military, because the fact that it is not watched there, yes, why, i will tell you, not because ukraine uninteresting because it

traumatic very information. that is why we had to look for formats, we will now make many very interesting projects, well, i will not say in advance, but very, very necessary for ukraine, and we will now show ukraine from a different angle what is important for us to show, it is important for us to show that we can do everything , we are strong, we can endure, we are professional, we just need weapons. ms. hanna, i thank you very much for an interesting conversation, i wish you and all our viewers some... a speedy victory in this terrible war, stay with us, there are discounts on tantum verde, 10% in pharmacies plantain, bam and savings. new york of the 19th century is luxury, scandals and intrigues.

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