in fact, it can be said that this is such a unique fact of such total uh total, total plagiarism. uh, the whole work in fact, when you talk about or mention about 64% of borrowings, in fact the situation looks like we have analyzed 64% of this work, you understand, the manuscript is more than 300 pages, uh, and there are actually 90% of those borrowings, i.e. it is a borrowing that can be...total, this is not about borrowing some pieces, you understand, of text, other people's texts, here we are talking about articles, for example, articles published in western editions in english, rather badly translated, which from the beginning, from the first line, from the first word to the end, are inserted as a section of drozdovsky's dissertation, you can imagine, so that right there actually... it turned out that you understand, this

kind of fraudulent, not entirely decent reputation , approach, is revealed in various areas, and what was important, it seems to me that, firstly, it was actually about the destruction of science itself in general, and the paradox is that despite the fact that after this this this with drozdovsky there was a lot of talk about plagiarism, and there was even such an official order about checking at the level of student works, let's say, dissertations, articles , too, but i want to say that it continues, and it seems to me to a certain extent that as such a cancerous tumor, it permeates ukrainian, in particular, both science and humanitarianism to a very large extent, and it reaches other fields, and here is actually this story with... the award, it simply points to the fact,

it points to the fact that this , this, this plagiarism, or this dishonesty, it extends to other spheres, and it actually destroys them, as, for example, it destroys the same rila prize. ms. tamara, you wrote last week that drozdovsky remains a desirable person at the institute of literature, moreover, they are proud of him and perceive him as an unjust victim, how can this be? but you are talking about the fact that this is a cancer, this is the problem of tolerance of the ukrainian academy to plagiarism, but excuse me, i will ask you directly, what would happen if, for example, in the western academy, yes, in harvard, where you are now you teach, something similar happened, how would colleagues react to such facts, well, i will tell you this, that it is actually dishonesty.

plagiarism is not only a purely ukrainian phenomenon, we constantly hear about these stories, and the recent story in harvard is a very loud story about the dismissal, about the fact that the president of harvard university was forced to resign from the post of president of harvard university, who was accused of plagiarism, this is very such a big scandal, but plagiarism happened very often, you understand what is meant by plagiarism, sometimes plagiarism... it is considered just such well-known phrases that you cannot paraphrase in other words, you understand, it is like, how to take, for example, to say that the sky, the sky is blue, let's say there or blue, yes, but you, after all , you also have to do such things to pretend, so this is another case, but you understand what the matter is, er, the case of druzdovsky shows that he was nowhere in one, not one sphere, in fact, he was not punished, or he is not responsible for his act, except. .. the fact

that we all, we, did not allow him to defend, he still has not defended this thesis, he, until things, i must say, he made several attempts to negotiate with various universities in ukraine and to defend himself, by the way, with the support of mon, who wrote letters with a request to help him defend himself, to take him to the defense, he said, he rewrote, he changed and so on, but repeated various, so to speak, examinations... showed that nothing in particular had changed there, so that trozdovsky remained unpunished, and he remains, for example, at our institute, he remains, so to speak, a victim of our attack, this it is said so to speak, how we became enemies, especially me, because i took the garbage out of the house, you understand, it is considered, i must say that not only among us, let's say, among some employees or in the directorate. but in

society it is also considered that there is nothing here, everyone does that , you see, they say it en masse, but you understand, at the same time we turned to the shevchenko committee as a member of... then there was a committee of which drozdovsky was a member, we must give credit serhiy trimbach, who actually reacted to all that and posed a question to the members of the shevchenko committee , but that's it, but it didn't gain any publicity, but there is one more position, and it's very important here, drozdovsky was and remains the editor of the universe, you understand, he remains among the members of the... editorial board, only it seems that strikha and oleksandr pronkevich announced that they were leaving the editorial board, but it was quiet, no one knew about it, it was not so public that they knew about it, you understand what i want to say, that this case with shepherd , it just shows once again that it is a reputation

science, literary studies, literature, the literary field, is actually being undermined not only within the borders of ukraine, but also outside of it. outside its borders, because drustovsky involves in his scams, i can’t call it any other way, many scientists, from outside ukraine, we discovered, for example, that he simply falsifies, he falsifies reviews of some acts, which, when we contacted them, were simply shocked that they got into this story, because all this was interpreted completely differently by drozdovsky in relation to them, it's the same too, they addressed me, wrote, i’m just a matter of... that i’m not going to be rostovsky’s watchman, you see, i have my own mission and tasks, but i was told that drozdovsky promised some secondary , third-rate ukrainian poet to translate and publish it somewhere abroad, but obviously, people just wrote to me about it and so on, that is, there are a lot of such stories,

i want to say that in my opinion drozdovsky is interesting and brilliant in his own way, brilliant in this way , you understand, like a literary character a fraudulent novel, you see, and this story with the prize, it simply showed what remains obvious, i will ask, mrs. tamaro, i will ask mrs. tamaro, you are now talking about the prize, maxim strikha, a scientist and also a translator, by the way, the only member of the maksym rylsky award committee, who did not agree and left the committee in protest, he wrote. the text, which is called: "how they killed the rylsky prize". he writes that the committee can still meet and make some decisions, but it will no longer have, it will have very little touching on actual ukrainian translation. do you agree that premium

has really been killed or do you think this is a bit of an exaggeration? you know, it's very good. it really sounds, i want to remind you that during the 17th or 18th year, i also wrote an article about how drozdovsky, who was a language consultant at the time, was killing the field of science, destroying the field of ukrainian science, so in fact, this is just a repetition of these actions. i think to myself, you see, the question is for me, i really like what i am very much i am glad that you are discussing the issue of premiums today. because it seems to me that the issue with awards in general in ukraine is very difficult today, starting with shevchenkivska and rylski and so on, i do not think that the rylski award, that this story killed the rylski award, absolutely not, because the name, because it bears the name of rylsky,

as well as the reputation of rylsky, nothing and no one ever, especially druzdovsky and his company, they cannot undermine it, it goes. about what should be done, how to get out of this situation, and it seems to me, for example, that i myself even wanted to write such a public letter of appeal, regarding these awards, well , for example, to take the award, not only the rila award, but the award, for example, of lesia ukrainka, the award of lesia ukrainka, which, which also in arose in soviet times, it is awarded to a prison for children. you can imagine that the most intellectual ukrainian writer is considered to be a children's writer. this is an absolutely typical soviet gesture, when, so to speak, a woman, a writer , is assigned a certain role, well, let's say educators, mothers for children and so on, that is, it is only in such a patriarchal, purely patriarchal society

that the most intellectual writer, modernist, yes, be considered, so to speak, such a writer who, i am not talking about the fact that for children it is no no no no respect. you know, shevylyov wrote a book called a book not for children. he actually spoke about this high, high level of criticism and literature, with the criterion of which he approached literature. and he said that these are really texts not for children, not for not for infantile, so to speak, reading. well, once again, i was once involved, but only once, i think, in the gogol prize, i did not know about its existence at all , you see, i noticed that neither... popularization and the level of those works that are submitted to this award, well, you just understand

, well, it’s terrible, gogol is a name that we, we just quietly throw it out of our field, from our literature, from our consciousness and so on, but you understand, gogol is a great, for gogol is worth fighting for, and the gogol award should also be given for the best achievements, yes, you understand, that is, it seems to me that all these awards that were created in soviet times, their rules, principles and everything else should be reconsidered and rewritten, otherwise we will never get over the fact that people like drozdovsky will win, eh , and the way the jury is selected is, obviously, the way the committees are selected, this can be seen, for example, on the example of the current shevchenkivskyi committee, yes, this raises a lot of questions, i think it is necessary to talk about it and ask simply demand that all these issues be considered at the level of ministries, there is the government and so on, who is responsible for it. thank you, it was tamara gundarova, we

thank you very much for taking the time to get involved, tamara gundarova, scientist, literary critic, was in touch with us. thank you, by the way, to the members of the shevchenkiv committee for the previous, like the previous, convocation, by the way, mrs. tamara very aptly said about the composition. and the composition of the committees of some awards, i would say, of a large part of the awards are people who are very far from humanitarianism, and i will now show an appeal which, which ukrainian cultural community sent, this is an open letter, yes, which the activists of culture sent to the prime minister of ukraine, to the minister of culture of ukraine, to the head of the state television radio and to the members of the committee of the award itself. marylskyi, and in this appeal, which was signed by many

worthy people, it is said that the rylskyi award, actually the laureate, the laureates of this award for the past year significantly undermine the role of one of the oldest awards in ukraine, and devalue translation work, putting at risk burdens in culture and trust in public institutions in general, and here they are they write: about the fact that the committee has very few translation specialists, and this calls into question the ability of the maksymarilskyi committee to assess the quality of the translation, because several translators from the community suspect the laureate of using machine translation, that is, it is druzdovskyi, without further editing , besides , the text itself, despite its importance, so these texts of the irpin children, despite their importance. of this text in which, in fact , for ukraine and for the world, these texts are

simple and do not contain any translation challenges asked by cultural workers, what the cultural community asks: first, to cancel the results of this year's award due to the unreliability of the professional community, mistrust of the professional community, second - to form clear criteria and a clear system for evaluating nominated works. what tamara gundurova talked about, and to dismiss the current composition of the rylsky award committee. in your opinion, yura, will it save, or will these three points save the rylsky prize? let's start from the very beginning, why is it important, basically, because we 've been on the air for 10 minutes now, and i can imagine the people on the other side of the tv. what are they talking about, some kind of garylsky prize, translation, some

drozdovsky, but maybe the word scandal, yes scandal, i assure you that we have very, very educated and very well-informed people, very well-informed about things , let's start from the beginning, translation is an extremely important branch of national culture, it is the first and... here is now natali yakovenko, well, our giant, historian, maybe i don't know, well, there is number one or not number one in ukrainian history. of historiography, for my taste , she is the number one historian who abandoned her research and translates into ukrainian, even tita livia. titus livius is an ancient roman historian who wrote 100 volumes there, and lo and behold, ms. natalya is sitting and translating, when

she is asked why, she says, well, how can she not? it's like, if there is no titalivium in the culture, it's the same, well, no, how can there be no shakespeare in the culture, it's not pre-culture, yes, and this is a very important point, that is, these are people who introduce the world cultural heritage into your own culture, or there, say, oleksiy panych translates aristotle, and we have a high-quality philosophical, well, translated for professional philosophers. yes, i think to myself, here we brag, we have almost the first constitution there, the constitution of philip, yes , the constitution of philip orlyk, who, by the way, knew all this, and aunt livivia, and aristotle, because he studied in vilna at the jesuit college,

and then at the kyiv-mohyla collegium, and if he... didn't know all this, this, if this, well, he obviously knew it in the original, so well, we wouldn't have orlyk's constitution, and we wouldn't have this tradition of constitutional law, we wouldn't have this legal consciousness, at least in certain elites, what is legal consciousness, it means that no cop can put you in a jail there . the quality is that mr. shepard appears there, i don't know, i have to research it every time, but i looked, they put out pieces of this translation, it's just very

bad english, you know, very bad, for that... just, well, it's a shame, it it is a shame to send to the world on behalf of ukraine and it is a shame it is to promote such and such in such a way, and the third, actually, is integrity in general, because we do not have an institution of reputation, only the dead did not say about it, it does not work for us, and... everyone, what i am glad about, that tamara gundurova appeared here, because there is a person with an impeccable reputation that no one can, and the fact that she represents ukraine at harvard, for a moment, just proves that our culture, our humanitarianism is

at a sufficiently high level ukrainian scientists with and humane. know, translate issued and invited, and this means that the only thing that can be reloaded , in general, in principle, anything, and the rylsky prize, in particular, is not to write out the criteria, because every time there are some small circumstances that return the situation to 180. and reload the chapter the jury, the high jury, will still be dissatisfied, like dissatisfied with the decision of the nobel committee or dissatisfied with the decision of the venice film festival there or the oscar committee, whatever will always be dissatisfied, but

at least if there are people in white robes, and they we have... there is, i insist, ugh, and here again, returning from the beginning, from my personal mistake, with which we started this broadcast, there is no need to fight for some operational achievements, if they come. to the detriment of this general level of trust in society. you mentioned bleaching, and we're almost out of time, but i can't help but ask. the final question, which is very important, you said about white people, but earlier you said about the old hierarchies, and for me, these are the scandals that are constantly happening, and not only in

awards, it happens, they happen around the ukf, they happen around the dovzhenko center, they happen around the state cinema, they happen around any cultural or scientific institution, and this is a conflict of old and new, white robes, new intellectual inquiries and challenges and... .people who are the bearers of these bureaucratic soviet values, it seems to me that anna vovchenko, also a translator, is wonderful, she summed up what is happening very well, i will quote her post, please show it. anna vovchenko writes the following: you can, of course, wait until this whole stale, stale, overgrown with moss, alternative party, paid for from our and your taxes, simply disappears. years and in accordance with the laws of biology, but in the meantime , it is precisely this sleepy party that is not simply associated in the average mind with the state in contrast to the commercial

lit process, it embodies it, that is, the state in its segment of activity and thereby opposes the state in this modern, adequate, simply decent and corresponding intellectual inquiries of the 24th year, humiliates the state ours to the level of yanukovych and tabachnyk, plastic wreaths with jugs at the ukrainian stand in frankfurt, in a word, all of that, and from which we literally began to tear ourselves away with blood 10 years ago. tell me, please, do we have a perspective to break away from this, from these old hierarchies? of course, you just need to shake things up, i apologize, i understand that institutions are fed by traditions. but if the institutions are toxic, then they need to be shaken up, we are talking about not only age, mr. dmytro, yes, he is very young

man, well, we, we barely know each other, but i saw him, well, in the same shevchenko committee, he is quite a representative of the new generation, no, but we have enough people with the code, and i am still convinced that in the young generation... which is not yet bogged down in this relationship of people who are ready to stand up for dignity, stand up for the truth, and it is necessary, it is necessary to say all the time, the truth exists, yes, there is white and black, the light side of power and the dark side of power, this not a convention, it is not a fiction, it exists, and if there is... an opportunity for decent people to rally, then it is it is necessary to do, and there is an opportunity, there are forces in society, despite the fact that society, well

, many worthy people have left, simply physically, they are not in ukraine now, and in general, it is alleged that ukraine is not up to this, but at the same time, if this is not to do, we will blush with shame from time to time, during the war - it is harmful. for the country, for the state, for our and your mental health, well, in other words , it's not a question of victory, it's a defeat. thank you, thank you, yuriy makarov, journalist, writer, tv presenter, our colleague, was a guest of our own names, thanks for being willing to talk about it, thanks for watching us, these are proper names, see you next week.

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