these little people, they were gathering, they thought there would be 50 people, but 50,000 people came, they didn't even have ink designed for such a number of people, i'm not saying that it should be checked, the reality of signatures, documents, but there are no people , no one was going to, of course now no one believed in what he initiated, or did not initiate in order to prove something, of course, now, of course, this boris nadezhdin, he simply already felt that he is a serious figure, yes. happens in politics, do you remember how it was with svitlana tykhanovskaya, she is simple, she is simple won the presidential election, maybe she didn't even intend to, she just wanted to show that she was an alternative candidate, and lukashenko didn't mind, he just lost here, well , realistically speaking, we understand that he lost the election, so here too, huh , putin and kiriyenko are now sitting , nadizhn was once an adviser to kiriyenko, so they think, well , this is all very well, and then it is not known who will leave with these small... staffs, we

will write him in the ballot, he will receive 70% of the votes, what are we going to do, how are we going to rig it, i don't think it's going to be 70%, the fact is that from, let's say, the previous program plan, the shortening of the svo, i'm sorry, moved to the first item from the seventh, if i'm not mistaken, that is, he felt that there is a request for this in principle from part of the population of the russian federation, and he is doing it in... and if the majority of people really want the end of the war in russia, that's not the case, that's the question, do you believe in it, if, can you imagine it now, i just don't, and that's why i'm asking you, in the editorial office of nadezhdin , that it is not necessary to give up any territory, but it is simply necessary to stop shooting, we know for sure the number of people who can vote for it, and the winner of the ukrainian presidential election also did not say that he was going to give it to russia. some of our territories, however, he

said that it was necessary to simply stop shooting, how many people voted for it, 73%. i assure you that nadizhdin also has exactly this 73%, if fair elections were held in russia, then it is for this program that we stop where we are, and in general, these khokhls should have given us our kherson territories, zaporizhzhia regions, why they are shelling them, absolutely for this. this is a looking-glass, but yes, it’s a different looking-glass, you see, not putin’s, and putin, by the way, as a person trained by the experience of the ukrainian presidential elections in 2020, 2019, he is no longer an idiot, he understands this perfectly, people in general, most people does not really want the war , but it wants to have all the results of the war, yes, these people, of course, they are in favor of the continuation of the war are the so-called members of the svo, lumpen, who... is it just there to take a rifle,

kill someone, get good money, because others opportunities to earn money, these people do not exist, but these people are not as many as it seems, in reality, and these people may also think that they already have their cars there, lada kalino, someone has already died, there is no other son, what is next in the war will continue, all that is needed is already there, a grave, a car and money, so again, this means that only a conditional part can stand for the war. it is also not known what, to what extent they now have to live under sanctions, and a conditional part of potential new participants of the svo, the so-called, all others, and those who are against the war, and those who have already earned money from the war, they want the status quo , so that everything is over, there are exactly as many of them as there are, so yes, i believe in such and such an opinion, i do not i believe that the majority of russians want to return what was stolen, i do not have idealistic views on the russian people. i

believe that the russians want to capture as much as they have captured, and since it is difficult to go further and stop at the moment, then if the president trustfully in 5 years tells them that there is an opportunity to occupy kharkiv region, they won't mind if it's easy, ugh, they don't like to fight, so it's hard, but they've been doing it for two years with us, not them, he. he, they don't , they just agree with it, but if they have an alternative, they have no alternative, let me remind you, they have putin and everything, but they have an alternative: to continue fighting without any real results, because they see , that they have not had results since the 22nd year, they even lost what they had acquired, ugh, kherson region, kharkiv region, or just now to stop, that's easy for you, nadezhyn says, we are stopping, we are conducting peace talks, moreover, we understand the result. we will go to europe again,

there will be no sanctions, this can be the dream of an average russian, there will be planes, there will be opportunities to fly to a resort. somewhere, and now there is nothing, that too, do not forget that, of course, not all of russia thinks so, but millions of people who live in moscow and st. petersburg think so, there are many of them, these are not small cities, this is a huge metropolis, so that it is, and by, they then they will vote for the hopes, but in the language they say, he will be elected president, well, they will not elect me, but then there will be the zelensky effect, it will turn out that no one is going to agree with this, what the ukrainians are saying, listen, we... can agree on peace, but please leave the occupied territories. the west says: that's all, we very much congratulate the new russian president, we want to have contact with him, we will cancel the sanctions, just please, let 's return to international law, comrade nadezhden, and everyone says that we were deceived,

uh, and this will be the problem of this president nadezhdin, whether to really return to international law or not, he can act like gorbachev for... the state, and then all this will collapse, as you understand, because the russians, as soon as they see that the state is weak , they begin to destroy their own state, this is a well-known fact, or he will say: no, we will be here, peace, friendship, chewing gum, but what is ours is ours and what is not ours is also ours, and this and so there will be this new type of regime that doesn't attack but doesn't give back, aggressive, huh, and it can to be, which is trying to negotiate with the measure on the partial lifting of sanctions in exchange for no. shooting ukrainian territory , but again, this is hypothetical, i do not believe that they, that is, i believe that comrade putin will never allow himself such a risk, that is, that he will either not allow the trust to be in , as it is called, on the ballot , or will be

able to manipulate the situation like this, if he allows himself to be on the ballot, there will be a crisis in russia, well, you know, recently a group of acquaintances returned from ... work in georgia, and they were very surprised when the potbilis just marched russians with posters of their regions and regions, and this is some kind of demonstration in support of nadezhdin and this whole movement, and this is a lot of people, it was enough for some obscure person with a complicated political biography, just for people to show up, that is, it means that people, well again, this is the belarusian moment of the 20th year, there are so many attacks, everyone gets that it doesn't matter who it is, just that you, we, that you go somewhere, huh, and it was like with lukashenka , and so with putin, it means that they are simply fed up with putin, because they they already see that it is inadequate, well , it is really inadequate, and that it is adequate, that

everything that has been happening there even in the last two years, not 10, can be called adequate, well , you and i would not call it, but sometimes hearing the russians . many questions arise from this, but we do not have any sociology, we do not have any real sociology, we understand that people can also lie to a sociologist, there is still a huge problem here, the russian society itself, when there is not only a question of survival, but if you want a matter of lies for the sake of lies, that people lie all the time case, it has always been the same, and by the way, this is a huge problem, you know, for these people who try to analyze russia. i once read this in richard pipes, i did not make this up in a well-known specialist on the soviet union, who says that the huge problem of all these people who were dealing with russia at the time was that the russians lie for the sake of art, a western man, when he lies and by the way, and it concerns us, that we, when we want to tell

a lie, we have some purpose, in russia it is simple, i have met with it many times, and then i had to readjust when i began to live permanently in ukraine, because they are different. mentalities, the society of the nation, when ukrainians, yes, when a ukrainian lies to you, you understand that he wants to achieve something, and you begin to analyze why you were deceived, what is behind it, after all, you can come to some conclusion, you can not come to it, but you understand that this was done on purpose, and the problem with the russians is that they simply lie, you are looking for some meaning, and there were none, they just wanted to deceive you, well it's just simple. to say, this is a well-known fact that, it seems to me, any person who happens to be in moscow, and you too , do not get used to it right away, people deliberately send you in another direction, ugh, you, how to come, to fortunately, gadgets appeared, yes, but now all

this is blocked so that there are no drones, and it's too bad, we return to our old dialogue with muscovites, how to get to kirova street, and they send you to gorky street, deliberately. they are just deceiving you, they are pleased that you will go to another one run, you will get stuck somewhere, and you also begin to think, probably these were visitors, they did not know, they are not visitors, they just... it is nice to tell you a different route, and this, when you understand it, you begin to live in well, what is it called, in a more realistic world, and you never in your life go to this address that is pointed out to you, at least you should ask, don't go where russia says, and that's why this russian folk tale about that it was ivan tsarevich who had reached kamen, and there were three routes and each... where there is no guarantee that if

you go there and have a great time, that baba yaga will not rape you there, baba yaga may have specifically written that she is having a good time, you have to be old, it is better to go to a place where you are told that you will lose your horse, it is better to lose a horse, than to be raped by a woman yaga, so don't wait for vasylitsa the beautiful, don't believe in the recommendations of the patrons issued by the russian publishing house, so what, and this is what we need. to understand, because this is an important issue of the future negotiations with the russians, if they ever take place, our president also believes in this, well he must understand that baba yaga is already sitting there, so to speak, has already melted the stove and is thinking of eating him with horseradish or with garlic, and this is all that worries her, not how to negotiate with him, and under which sauce it will be tastier, ugh, that's all, sir. vitaliy , let's talk a little about the middle east, these days the united states of america struck

targets that are associated with iran in iraq and syria, this happened in response to a drone attack on an american base in jordan a little earlier, it's not easy environment and surroundings the yemeni houthis, they issued a statement there that they would damage the optical fiber that actually runs along the bottom of the red sea and plays an extremely important role when we talk about civilization systems in general. all that exist on our continent, and not only on ours, don't really exist anymore, they are very functional, you see, the black sea somewhere is no longer functioning, does not exist, it turned out that this could be so, do you remember when this unfortunate ship is stuck in the gulf of sweden, and oh, that's it, the world economy should rather pull out, now nothing is floating on the red sea and no one is trying to take care of themselves, well, everything that basically happened in the united states? they want to hit the iraqi proxy armies so, uh, so as not to involve

iran in the case, and this, of course, narrows the possibility, so they hit these camps of this islamic revolutionary guard corps, well, but this is syria and iran, uh, well, you know, it's like treating cancer by taking aspirin, ugh. well, i don't know, it's not even chemotherapy, as you understand, but iran in principle, well, he is unhappy, but he can restore all this, that is, it does not cure the problem, the problem is iran, iran and its ties with russia, china, the same there with the red sea, well, the americans do not want to get involved in land the war with the houthis, huh, and it's understandable why, because saudi arabia and the united arab emirates have been trying for 10 years and nothing has come of it, because... it's very difficult in a wild country that's actually been destroyed to look for these

troops for some desert cities in an absolutely i would say demoralized environment, because the population that chews all the time this is what it's called a cat, well, that is , the male population is drugged 24 hours a day, huh. and you and this population should create some kind of power structures so that they explain to you where the khoshites are, it is not as simple as it seems, well at least saudi arabia and the emirates have already made sure of this, and these are much more brutal actions than they can afford the united states, you know? yes, the population in the united arab saudi arabia will not be able to take to the streets with posters, feel sorry for the yemenis women and children, it won't be like that there, and still nothing happened, so, but again, can this problem be solved in the usual way? you can, of course you can, iran, that's what i was saying, i

have to go back to when it was 9/11. i said that if you want to destroy world terrorism, so that there are no such planes that will be in the tower of blasphemers, er, enter, if you want that there are no such acts of terrorism in the subways on... trains in europe and the same is true at the stations, so you need to destroy the states that give terrorists have the opportunity to train, because somewhere in... limited local situations of a terrorist camp, which is everywhere monitored by the special services of different countries, you will never prepare a terrorist attack, uh, on airplanes, you need a state, or a quasi-state, now the gas sector is such a quasi state, and then it was afghanistan, which was then ruled by the taliban, from the taliban people, iraq, saddam

hussein, libya, muammar gaddafi, when these ... regimes arose, there are no major global terrorist attacks, you heard about the last global terrorist attacks , with the application, sorry airplanes, then airplanes and explosives that can destroy a huge number of people, then they blew up the atoche train station in madrid, remember, because they were tearing up the railway in great britain, we have already forgotten about it, now everything is very simple. but no one liked it, that this is happening, that the united states is interfering somewhere in lebanon, in iraq, and libya, in libya, libya has generally become a failed state, this is all terrible, it cannot be done like this anymore, but now no one does it does, now they shoot at limited terrorist groups, or at some bases of iran in syria and iraq,

it is even possible to destroy the russian base in syria with several missiles of the united states, but russia will not get anywhere from this. well, this is a great example, and this is what we say all the time, or we can take these states out of the game, there are two options for the development of events: or we take them out of the game, themselves, not that they created some masks, ugh show, in lebanon, in iraq, in syria, and we can also mention the donetsk people's republic, luhansk. the people's republic, transnistria there, now the base of the black sea fleet in abkhazia is all a show, well, you can to hit abkhazia, it is the same type of independent state, the russian navy will not disappear from this, that is the whole point, it either means that you yourself enter into a real conflict with them, or if you are afraid of that, well, i apologize , then

you negotiate with them, uh, and if you don't do one or the other, then ... the conflict grows and intensifies and, as united states secretary of state anthony blinken rightly says, metastasizes. this is not what i propose to negotiate with russia and iran. i don't really believe in it at all, but it's just there simple choice. and the west, like us, by the way, at a certain moment, it goes the third way. he wants to go between these, between these, you know, two options. as between droplets , do not agree, because you cannot agree with terrorist states, but also do not enter into a conflict with them, and respond to them in such a way that they do not get nervous, this is exactly what is happening with iran now, the same is happening with russia, think , we should strike in such a way that iran does not enter into a direct conflict, we should help

ukraine supply it with weapons, that is, but not in in any case, so that there is no idea that we are... in direct conflict with russia, no, this is the first moment, the second moment, this is so that there is no major escalation in russia, in russia itself, so that there is no war, in the very iran, so that there is no military presence on its territory, you can't, well, sorry, then president trump appears and says, if you don't want to defeat russia, then i have to come to an agreement with it. this, by the way, is what i am telling you about, which sooner or later gives rise to such a point of view, so that this path, this path in the middle, agree somewhere in the middle, it still does not lead to anything, it only leads to the growth of the conflict, so when i say that there will be more big conflicts, wars, tens of thousands of people will die in different regions as a result, and nothing

will end, and everyone asks me if i myself believe in such a forecast, of course i don't. i know that it will be so, i when i told that there will be a war there in the middle east in 2020, the third year, that i believed about it, that i needed to believe it, i just knew it, and the people who are there lived in israel, it's not it's not knew and did not want and did not believe, because what would it be, well, now they believe, because as a rule, our faith coincides with the event, by the way, the biblical prophets warned about this, so to speak, whose blood still flows in us, she, they said that you have to think before that, there is a city, it can be destroyed, think about what to do so that it does not... collapse, they all, here, listen, we have our own affairs here, and we it is necessary to act in such a way that nothing happens along with it, well, well, here is the answer to your loved one east, i don't like it, it

's a completely wrong political approach in general, but it's an eternal creed, by the way, president biden had it, the democrats in general, and the republicans had it, the republicans said, we should isolate, the democrats said, we should support so that american soldiers do not suffer from this, which as a result, who died as a result of the iraqi attack. in iraq, american soldiers, as much as the united states wanted to avoid it, something cannot be avoided, and you can say, we will withdraw all troops from everywhere, then america will be beaten, yes , and then the planes will fly, and then the planes will be right , and then the high-rise planes, you ca n't avoid it, you can't hide behind the skirt of history, like a little child, it's unreal, but to my great regret. i wanted to, and so, the question is, in the end, if donald trump is conditional and we agree, yes, because this is one of

the natural options that exist in this situation, should we expect that the level of terrorism around the world will really grow so much that we will we again witness terrible crimes? i do not i see, i didn't draw a parallel here, i don't know if we can talk about... an increase in the terrorist threat, you know, uh, because we've gone from a conflict with terrorist organizations to a conflict with terrorist states, so that's a completely different level of danger , in fact , israel's war with hamas is not a war with a terrorist organization, it is not true, it is a war with a terrorist state, it is hamas that managed to turn gas into a state body, and that is why everything has succeeded terroristically. the organization is not capable of such actions, which hamas proved to be capable in gas, and hamas never, until it opposed this state structure, we operate all the time with some things, the ministry of health care

of the gas sector, another ministry of the gas sector, we never thought that al-qaeda has ministries, there was some kind of gang, there was a real state politburo, our favorite, as always, as we had when the soviet union was founded, various ministries, various officials, a visitor. who are in other countries and visit these other countries, this is not terrorism anymore, this is a terrorist state, and the soviet one the union was a terrorist state, and russia is a terrorist state and iran is a terrorist state, and new ones will be created, maybe new ones will be created, if we do not stop the existing ones, and this is the task of the civilized world, and i would very much like us you realized this, and it would become a plan for the future, if i were an applicant for the position. united states, that's the program i'd come out with, so everyone vote for porter's america grand again. thank you, this

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society. and also feedback, you can express your opinion on the bad day with the help of a phone survey, turn on and turn on, the verdict with serhii rudenko, every weekday from 20 to 22 on espresso. good evening, congratulations, my name is myroslava barchuk, this is a self-titled program, a joint project of the espresso tv channel and ukrainian foam. today we will talk about state awards, in particular about state awards, whether state awards can be independent from the state, from the ukrainian authorities, in our political culture, when the authorities at all times did not hesitate to pressure or somehow try to influence the jury, the committees and somehow determine their people for awards. yuriy makarov,

writer, journalist, is in my studio. the former head of the shevchenko prize committee , congratulations yur, hello , tamara gundarova , literary critic, cultural expert, doctor of philological sciences, who currently teaches ukrainian literature at harvard university, will also join us in the conversation, but it will be in a few minutes, let's start talking about the shevchenko prize and the state prize. what about yuria, as far as i remember shevchenkovka, there were always suspicions around her that the committee was bribed, or suspicions that the authorities were somehow putting pressure on the committee, or something was wrong with this award, and in the end even you were forced to years ago to resign from the position of chairman of the committee, i was forced to resign

because... what happened in your specific case and what kind of curse hangs over the shevchenko prize and over the state award let's let's tell very briefly what happened that year already in the winter it became clear that there would be no laureates in all nominations and we simply did not have worthy people who applied, because they had already applied during the war, and eh - many people left, many people were thinking about completely different things, it was not about the prize, and when we looked at everything that had already been thrown at us, it was clear that we have two prizes walking around, and on the ninth of

march last year volodymyr oleksandrovich has a meeting of cultural figures zelenskyi with all of sinclit, so the head of the administration, sori's office, and the minister of culture were also there, so the actors are different, there were 20 people there on this holiday and saints, yes. room of the president's office, i finally joined, and there were many people on the video call, and there was a proposal that we should give a special award, additional nominations for the contribution to the victory.