that putin will try to use erdogan for his own purposes, yes, and accordingly , erdogan will try to do something symmetrical with putin, and of course they will also talk about the black sea transit. well, what can i say, yes, erdogan, he secured probably his last presidency, i don't think even he thinks he can go for another term, it was the toughest race for him and he politically calm, that is, he can... take risks, further, what putin can offer him, for god's sake, i don't know, but i know that he offers, for example, america, america offers him to sign contracts for the supply of f35 , which the americans have now sold there, to the sworn partners of turkey, the greeks, nato partners, and in obbin, the americans expect that the s-400 that erdogan bought, in my opinion there are eight or so many divisions that he... bought from russia, and

which turned out to be far from miraculous weapons, that these installations can get to some third country, and then get to ukraine. this is what i see, i see what america offers and what erdogan has to weigh, and i do not understand what he putin will offer such a thing, where he would have advantages, because i know turetsky's mentality well, i was the leader in my time. there is a turkish-ukrainian governmental intergovernmental commission, and the turks are very pragmatic people, for them integration is the expansion of trade, they think in terms of promoting their own business, their own interests, expanding their own markets, and here kill me, i don't understand what it has to offer putin is like that, that is why a serious struggle has begun here, and we already see what is proposed, we see that on on the eve of putin's visit to ankara, frank information about the possibility for erdoğan

to realize his dream, to purchase a non-modern aircraft, to sign profitable contracts and to get closer, if not politically, then commercially, to the european union, and to improve his relations with nato. this is what i see. on the other hand, putin, he is also a peacemaker, it is not about any peacemaking initiatives of erdogan. i now very faintly imagine why erdogan, what, well, what erdogan can add. to what happened in his time, he convinced that this border, this transit through the black sea, he acted as a broker, and he believed that it was necessary to invite russia, russia was invited, but not in that direction and sent in a completely different direction, the corridor works, the whole world recognized that the corridor works, ukraine proved that and erdogan is here, actually saying, did not interfere, such a certain soft coalition was created, and erdogan was also in this coalition, that is, this card...

is removed, ukraine actually unblocked, and the chances that putin will be able, in fact, with, well, if not completely , then he will be able to threaten something there with his half-destroyed fleet, to attack some international tankers, these chances are now simply reduced many times, so it is no longer a game for erdogan, i do not understand that erdogan can bring anything additional here, the position of ukraine is quite... it is clear, we also understand that we can have negotiations , but after some effort, so there may be something here, well, something will have to be said at the press conference, but i am of the opinion that erdogan does not have any such unbeaten, trump aces either now, he can speak with, well, yes with fairly predictable general appeals to the fact that an understanding must be reached, but on the other hand, i don't think he can repeat the mantra

that the occupied territories should be returned to the russians, like orban or fico, it is not in erdogan's interests at all, let's go back to what cards for us, yes , mr. oleg, well, the key story, erdogan is only a certain segment of an extremely complex game, yes, well, i would like to believe that now in the current situation we can count on additional support, well, the french were amused, in particular, it is about missile systems. british they are holding steady like this in the united states , not knowing that with the poles we seem to have reconciled back and the situation stabilized with the help of donald tusk. the germans pay and support and do it stably. thank god ot. and what are our trump cards? because the situation is not easy. and we understand that our western partners would also like to receive understandable signals. from our side. well, here's the problem, here's the problem. what to consider caser

cards, because this situation is again around time, i'm not saying that it is something like that deadly from the point of view of the interests of ukraine, but it is definitely significantly in the composition. if we measure every step of the government by whether it brings us closer to victory or makes it more difficult for us to win, it is not a different situation, it makes it more difficult, and the only thing we can hope for is that, what i personally hope for, to the fact that this mantra, which the president repeats at every step, that we are reliable partners, we will definitely fulfill all the things we promised, despite all the difficulties, we will... definitely carry out these reforms, this is what the european union is saying , it says nato. and in my meetings with representatives of nato and the european union, i say that listen, well, now it is necessary to monitor it quite strictly. you can't

pretend now that you believe in some things that were announced but not done. the ukrainian government now needs to feel it from the society, and it feels it from the society, well. knyazev was given enough money to get the poor guy out of his cell, and that was for a second, well, just some concentrated symbol of corruption in the newly created, reformed supreme judges, and such things as with the prince happen at every step, people are appointed outside the competition, that is, there is an open challenge to what we promised to do, instead of making those reforms. which we promised according to the recipes that are known to everyone, we are trying to imitate them, we are told that this time the imitation will not pass, for some reason it seems to them that it is possible to simply transfer responsibility through pr technologies, they think that the world is simple swallow,

because there is no way out, and we must understand that this is our obligation when we took on commitment to european integration , basic things - this is exactly... this is governance , this is exactly these independent courts, this is exactly the balancing of the branches of government, this is the non-interference of one branch of government in another, this is judicial reform, this is a bunch of things that are not currently are happening, but without progress in this direction, after we get a political decision on funding there, it does not mean at all that we will automatically receive funds, look again at orbán, the european union has accumulated experience, i think orbán will be the first ... an example of what is done with those leaders who have already promised, became members of the european union, became members of nato, but then brazenly ignore all these promises and violate the basic principles, then in ukraine these threats also do not go anywhere, and the people who

are at the head of the ukrainian government, who need funds , who need help , cannot fail to understand this, i do not know where the painful moment is when zelenskyi will understand that it is impossible to drag the country on... six crutches, if he believes that these are his six advisers, that it is what is ukraine holding on to, this is a colossal mistake, no one in the world does not think so, if he still expects that it is these people who will pull the country out, they are pulling it, but they are pulling it not in the direction that zelensky would hope for, this formula is not working, and this is an internal issue of ukraine, and this is an issue of hers position, but the public is speaking about it more and more loudly. they are talking about it more and more loudly at the meetings held there by representatives of the ukrainian government with european and american politicians, and this is the question of the ability of the ukrainian government to actually fulfill its promises and the ability the ukrainian authorities to become a reliable partner of the european union and nato, because with such

a management formula, well , questions arise here, and what did victoria nulan, the united states deputy secretary of state for political affairs bring to kyiv, right? well, the visit is important and not just like that , that is, what biden and blinkin could say, well , i think she voiced it, very accurately, i explained it to your colleagues yesterday, because i have the experience of meeting viktoriyalan there, it’s like that the iron lady of american diplomacy, and she is characterized by the fact that she does not mince words picks up, and the fact that, because there your colleague asked that maybe blinken should have been there, that is precisely the fact that it is not blinken, but... gives me a great reason, as well as you, to understand that she said something about what we are talking about now with you, she can very concretely and very specifically make it clear with the same words about the consequences of an unreliable

partnership on the part of ukraine, she is the person who has the experience, strength and desire for this, she is exactly that type of diplomat, and i i think that her visit, which is practically private there, says a lot precisely by this non-publicity and the moment chosen for this visit is very characteristic and very timely. therefore, i am sure that zelensky heard things about which, perhaps, for diplomatic reasons, blinken would not even start talking about. thank you very much, mr. oleg, for this extremely useful and interesting conversation, i want to remind our viewers that oleg hrybachuk, the former head of the secretariat of viktor yushchenko, the president, and of course the former vice-prime minister for european integration, was currently working on espresso. and co-founder of chesno movement.

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vladyslav seleznyov, ex-spokesman of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, colonel of the armed forces of ukraine, will work on the espresso tv channel. glory to ukraine, mr. colonel, i congratulate you. congratulations and glory to you heroes. an extremely important, symbolic and symptomatic article published in cnn by the authors. chief of general zaluzhnyi, yes, well, actually, we understand that it is about defeating certain people summaries, we understand that this was done informally, on the other hand, this is a view on the deployment of strategic. prospects of the war, we are talking, perhaps, about the second stage of the war with the russian federation. the first and main signal is that the publication was placed in the columns of an american publication, so we need to understand which audience this publication is primarily aimed at. in my opinion, this is an absolutely mature, such a rational analysis of the gains achieved by the ukrainian

army during these two years of the full-scale russian-ukrainian war, and a proposal. a kind of road map, in which way the ukrainian army should act in order to achieve the same american victory, superiority and victory in the battlefield, because in reality ukraine now faces a lot of challenges, this is also a question of limited resources, this is also an understanding that the enemy is not is going to give in to his plans, and he still dreams of destroying ukraine as a state, and ukraine as a constituent community of peoples of the world, this is also an understanding that the enemy has a lot of resources. for the realization of these missions, it is the understanding that that foreign political processes and domestic political processes equally affect the course of hostilities directly on the battle line. you mentioned resources, well, we understand that we are talking about manpower and the corresponding means, artillery, missile and so on.

so, this time zaluzhny carefully outlined our needs with his head. on the other hand, we understand that the pentagon already, i think, guesses what we need the most. as for the awareness of our western partners, we must understand that they are public events that we know under the name rapshtein, by the way, the 18th meeting of representatives of more than 50 countries of the world, which are donors and provide certain military and technical needs of the ukrainian defense forces, was held recently, according to the ramshtein list, this meeting is preceded by a public meeting accordingly ... work at the level of technical groups, usually this work ends with an agreement on a general position, there is a final communique, which becomes public as a result of the same romshtein, but the needs of the ukrainian army are urgent, medium-term and long-term,

they are obvious to all participants in the process known as romstein, and therefore it is obvious that our... western partners also understand that ukraine lacks, critically lacks artillery shells, long-range missiles, which we we will be able to settle not only on enemy military facilities in the temporarily occupied territories of our country, but also on the territory of the european part of the russian federation, because this is really important, and our leader valery clearly alludes to this provisions, because it is absolutely obvious that we need to destroy the enemy's military infrastructure, infrastructure. of the defense-industrial complex of the russian federation, as well as objects of the critical energy infrastructure of the russian federation, which also work for certain achievements and capabilities of the russian occupation army, that is, these theses, which are public as a result of publication in the format of the cnn edition, are a clear signal to our western partners, that there is no

need to delay, that the ukrainian military leadership has. but a clear understanding situation, there is a clear road map of how to achieve our desired goal, and for that we need resources, of course, to a certain extent we rely on our own achievements and capabilities, of course, we absolutely rationally evaluate the industrial and technical capabilities of our western partners, general zaluzhno speaks about this absolutely frankly, but even despite such a difficult situation regarding the military and technical support of the ukrainian army, including related to... certain turbulent, let's say, political processes taking place in partner countries of ukraine, nevertheless, we have the opportunity, we have options for the use of the ukrainian army, taking into account the resource capabilities that we can count on here and now. i think that it was not for nothing that at one time the relevant deputy minister of defense of ukraine, general ivan havrylyuk

emphasized that we can partially compensate for the barracks of artillery ammunition. due to the more active use of drones, in particular fpv drones. this is a completely rational approach. not only that de facto ukrainian resistance to enemy aggression, the further it goes, the more it acquires the signs of a fourth-generation war, that is, in fact, when instead of personnel, instead of military personnel, missions and combat tasks are performed by equipment, unmanned platforms, high-precision weapons, in particular artillery, in particular missile systems, as well as. electronic warfare system, so we should continue to use this advantage on the battlefield, and not stop at those concerns that we already have, but continue to work on increasing as much as possible... technological advantage on the battlefield, in that amount per account the use of relatively cheap unmanned aerial platforms, which we know as

drones. perhaps a certain reformatting of what is called operational command in certain directions is coming, perhaps there will be a rethinking, perhaps there will be a general rethinking of the logic of war, taking into account the mobilization processes that are being pushed on ukraine. we understand that it is necessary to train a significant amount of living resources, we understand that they should be taught to work with appropriate equipment and so on and so on, it is possible to adjust what is called the middle and possibly even a part of the higher echelon of command, the process is serious, of course, and here i have a very serious warning about the rumors that are now actively spreading in the ukrainian information space, about the incredible rotation. whether to replace general zaluzhny with another ukrainian general in the post of commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine. why is this unacceptable now? the fact is that

the lion's share of military and technical support from our western partners is also provided through direct communications between the head, his apparatus and our western partners. after the change of the commander, the name of the commander, it may happen that we will lose a certain period of time on... establishing new communication channels and opportunities, now, during what is stealing active combat operations in various areas of the front, and during that the moment when, according to general kyril budanov, the head of military intelligence of our country, that de facto, that in the next months, maybe a month, maybe two, the enemy will still try to transform his numerical advantage into territorial gains, i.e. the enemy is carrying out its offensive campaign, do we have the opportunity... to make and create conditions for delaying certain communication channels and, accordingly, obtaining a more flexible and operative response from

our western partners. the answer to this question is obviously no, we cannot afford it, but then again there are certain internal political processes within our country that can to some extent seriously influence certain decisions that are now in everyone's ear... and these guys are actively discussed in the ukrainian segment of the information space. the headquarters is the brain of the war. yes, well, this is a textbook expression, yes. on the other hand , we understand that there is a question of the level of competence. that is, a good general is a good general who also works with a map, with resources, with a vision of the strategic deployment of certain military actions. team play is primarily about interaction. between the types of troops, between the rate, and the understanding and knowledge of the personnel, so we understand that the specifics are in armed forces of ukraine, which differs from

the specifics, for example, in the same ministry of internal affairs and so on down the list. yes, of course, and here is just one example, we can criticize the team of the previous minister of defense, mr. resnikov, and directly to him when he was in this... position of the head of the customs department of our country, but effective, meaningful and, most importantly, effective communication it was pointed out, precisely during the term of office of oleksiy reznikova, ukraine de facto received about 100 billion dollars in equivalents of the corresponding military and technical assistance, which ensured the current and medium-term needs of the ukrainian defense forces, there was a rotation, the rotation happened because of a certain series. but nevertheless, the team of the newly appointed minister of defense, mr. rustem momerov, was already involved in the organization of less than three ramsteins,

that is, the 16th, 17th, and 18th ramsteins, respectively, were these ramsteins so meaningfully filled and effective in meeting the needs of the ukrainian army? the answer to this question, each of the tangents to the informational accompanying the current war was... to give personally it is obvious that the level of reduction of military-technical assistance for the needs of the ukrainian army has de facto decreased. we have seen information in open sources that the same military-technical assistance for the ukrainian army has decreased by 90%. is the key factor between personal communications between the previous team of the previous minister of defense and the current one. undoubtedly, a certain element of influence on these processes was revealed. because any communication, it happens including and at the expense of interpersonal relations and finding a certain understanding, because we

remember the saying that was repeated repeatedly with... by the then minister of defense resnikov, when he spoke about the following: a word no from our western partners, i do not perceive it as a refusal, when i ask them about certain options for the supply of military equipment or other equipment, i take the words of our western partners as a challenge that we have to overcome, in fact, that team succeeded, because even at the beginning of a full-scale war, for sure... it was about that in the future the ukrainian army will receive armored vehicles, in particular british challengers or american leopards or american abrams or german leopards, at that time there was no talk at all about hymars and the corresponding missiles for them, there was no talk about much that the ukrainian army later received and that allowed our troops, first, to ensure the implementation of certain tasks for the de-occupation of part

of the territory of our country, and then to prepare... for the large-scale offensive of the ukrainian defense forces, which took place during the summer and early autumn of last year 23. so, communication options are an extremely important factor that influence the course of events, including in the framework of ensuring the current and medium-term needs of the ukrainian defense forces. well, if we are talking about possible one or the other, i don’t know, perturbations of personnel or reassignments, personnel understand that the enemy on... of course will actively study all this and i am more than sure that on each of our commanders, not to mention simply about generals and maybe even some gifted colonels, in the main the administration of the general staff of the russian federation will have a corresponding folder, or even two. and accordingly, what should we expect from the enemy now , taking into account, so to speak, short-term prospects, yes, about which we cannot talk, because we do not yet know what and how it will be.

so, i think that in the nearest... less than two months , we will constantly be faced with the fact that the enemy will constantly attack along the entire 1,350-kilometer line of combat engagement, looking in this way, well, at least for some layered in the ukrainian defense system and defensive structures, of course, putin 's army will dream of giving putin some kind of present before his next election to the post of president of the russian federation, of course, such challenges and risks are taking into account the rather serious escalation of hostilities, in particular in the kupyan region - in the liman direction, i am not talking about the situation of the past or the day before, but about trends, besides, we can see how turbulent processes are currently taking place in the evdiivka area and south of it, and of course, that the enemy still dreams that he will be able to stabilize the situation on the southern face of the russian-ukrainian front, in particular in the rabotino area, by eliminating the very

bridgehead that the ukrainian... army tried to create on this part of the front, and by eliminating the bridgehead of the ukrainian defense forces, which they have been holding on the left bank of the dnieper for the third month in a row. the enemy has many plans, but the key question is whether the enemy army has enough resources. unfortunately, we have to understand the following: for the current 24th year, the russian federation directed to the provision of the army itself and , accordingly, the part involved in the so-called special military operation, and so... the activity of the russian defense-industrial complex, an amount equivalent to approximately 120 billion dollars, or perhaps the same result is obtained with regard to the financing of the ukrainian defense forces, the answer, which is still in the air, yes, we have good news according to the results of the meeting of the representatives of the countries of the european union, we received the same american 50 billion euros for the next four years, but... for all

this money will be directed specifically to ensure the military needs of the ukrainian defense forces, and therefore we are waiting for contractual news from across the ocean, how quickly this issue will be settled in a certain way by the dostas is unknown, but the fact that the ukrainian army is currently facing a serious lack of everything of what is needed on the battlefield is obvious, i think that it is not for nothing that general luzhnyy in his publication for... details what exactly the ukrainian army needs, including in the context of the fact that certain resource capabilities in our western partners are emasculated, and they definitely will not be able to provide all the needs of the ukrainian defense forces at the level of the 23rd or even more than the 22nd years. thank you, mr. colonel, for this extremely interesting and meaningful conversation, i want to remind our tv viewers that now a colonel of the armed forces

of ukraine was working on the espeso channel.