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the parliament such a point that postgraduate students who currently have a deferment while they are studying will lose it, but it is only about those postgraduates who are studying on a contract, state employees want to leave with a deferment, we would like your point of view from about the fairness of such a provision in general, yes, do you think that such a provision should be considered, well, actually, we would like to understand what the consequences might be for ukrainian science, including if... yes, graduate students, yes, who are currently studying for contractual, some, well, under contract and for some private or legal funds, then they will accordingly not be able to continue their education, will be forced to mobilize, let's start with the basic terminological concepts, mobilization is not about justice, it is primarily about expediency, exactly expediency should stand on... the cornerstone of why

it happens in principle, for some reason, well, for some reason , i can well understand why our mozhnavatsians really dislike smart people, in general, scientists, in particular, but why they just hate the military , as specialists, i simply do not know, because a warrior is a character, a military man is a socialized vocation, for example, a military pilot, yes... is a pilot, fighter, or bomber a specialty there - this is a fact, you cannot prepare it in 5 minutes, and neither it is impossible from a student or a graduate student to make a specialist in two weeks or two months, this is nonsense, it doesn’t happen like that, and this is the first , second, so true, in the project that the government has changed... quite strangely, the editorial changed

to the fact that la zsso should mobilize and graduate students who study either at their own expense or at the expense of legal entities, and those who actually receive a second higher education, as for graduate students, then... he noted that the hope of ordering, well, a little more than 10% of the total number of graduate students who, for example , as of the 21st year , about 800 graduate students were enrolled, in the 22nd a little more 10 thousand, about 18 thousand studied in the 23rd year, but this does not mean at all that the same 1800 who entered a... graduate school will finish it

for natural reasons, because obtaining a postgraduate education and defending a candidate's dissertation is quite significantly different from study at a higher school, that this is research work, and it is quite difficult, it requires not only funds for your education directly, but also for carrying out this work and time and that... then we really do not have enough people who do not know how to fight and will definitely not learn, and not in two weeks, not in two months, but most of their lives they worked on breaking up their cities and using them to solve various tasks, so the question is, in the army we really have several thousand, maybe tens of thousands of positions for which. .. we need people who

can solve tasks of varying degrees of complexity after at least six months of specialized training. yes, they can add more to their education, but who will teach them, where, how do they think, and are there any guarantees that they will get to the right these positions? for quite a long time , we joked about how russia burns convicts in the war, so that we will exchange chmobics for graduate students, somehow very unequal. mr. yury , we would like to ask you in general about the situation with the further development of science in this aspect, so we understand that there is a doctoral program, and the doctoral program is, so to speak , replenished in a certain way, defended as a result of

certain scientific researches by ee phd, yes, i.e. doctors of philosophy and in general, i.e. we have doctoral or post-graduate studies, that is, well, when we talk about doctoral studies, in our neighbors... it is called habilitation, yes, that is, doctors are habilitated, in our country it is somehow so somehow everything goes together, well, not everything goes together, here, as in the west, we have now there are many options for education, but a certain level of degree compliance is preserved, before we had candidates of science, now they are doctors of philosophy, and doctors of science, they were also in the west a doctor of science, and this is the highest scientific... degree, and of course, at first you should get a ph.d., a if we are now losing post-graduate students, then in 3-5 years the doctoral students will actually disappear as well

, so there will certainly be some part of candidates of sciences or doctors of philosophy who are based on their own practice or research. which they conduct, they can enter doctoral studies , but the scientific schools will disappear as soon as the system disappears, moreover, no one will hold scientific councils either, due to which, if there are no postgraduate students, and there will not be a majority of doctoral students there in 3-5 years, then it will break down training system, moreover, those who would like to get this higher scientific level degree, will look for other opportunities in other countries. to do this, just as our bachelors and masters will think about getting a doctor of philosophy degree, then a doctor of sciences abroad, and at the same time we also often hear that

we need labor migrants to rebuild ukraine after the victory , then i'm sorry, we first do, that is, the government, everything possible so that our own scientists are not left behind. and then we will invite specialists from other countries, and they will definitely come here, and we will at the same time, we will compete with all european countries, and not only with european countries, but since the majority of countries are currently creating special conditions for the migration of three categories of people to them, namely professional engineers, doctors, and higher education institutions, it is desirable that they were with a scientific degree, we will definitely be able to provide for these categories after the victory, as well as for many others that we will need, the conditions that they moved to the country, i have doubts

about this, moreover, what will happen to the system itself preparation, because part of the same... graduate students, when she defends herself, she then goes to teach, now there will be none, after a while there will be no doctorates, and how will we teach the next generation of bachelors and masters, who will do it, well, physically, we will again invite foreigners, mr. yuriy, that i would like you to clarify again whether we heard correctly that now 10% of graduate students have the opportunity to... study with the funds of the state budget and 90% study with either their own funds or the funds of employers, legal entities, etc.? that's about it, huh, but do we need it? it is possible to increase state orders when we talk about the development of science, we understand

that the criteria are the same, so for all categories of education seekers, well, it is meant from a formal review, of course, but in order to... about increasing whether there are any changes in state procurement, the beginning should be understood, and what will be the structure of the labor market, and what will be the structure of the economy in 5-10 years. over the past 30 years, ukraine has slipped from its rather powerful potential industrial country to an agrarian-industrial and i am referring to the so-called large agrarian state, but for now there remains a sufficiently high level of scientific training, if nothing is changed in the structure of the economy, then... it will soon turn out that we are practically unable

to support a modern scientific class, nor industrially, about how rockefeller once said that take away my factories and leave the people, i will build even better factories, and take away my people and leave the factories, the factories will be overgrown with stucco, well, for now there are... specialist training systems , but you can to count on the fact that after the victory ukraine will still return to its own industrial production, maybe at another level it is not necessary, what was before, the world is moving forward, technologies are developing, but without professional engineers, without specialists, in other specialties, without specialists, in biotechnology, in informatics. it is impossible to build a modern industrial society,

there will simply be no one to do it, people will remain, and other resources can be found, there will be no people, what difference does it make, what natural resources we possess, there will be develop others. thank you, yurii gavrilechko, economic and political expert, associate professor of the department of management and public administration of the chernihiv institute of information, business and law of the higher education and research institute of the moscow state university. in touch with us, in fact, the right things , says mr. yuriy, taking into account the fact that human potential is a key story in general, yes, in every country, if there are no people, then accordingly nothing good will happen either, but we have to going to take a short break now, after which we will return to discussing important topics in this studio, so stay tuned espresso. kratau contains natural components that take good care of your heart, improves blood supply and the functional state of the myocardium, normalizes heart rate, and increases physical

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temporarily, i'll be back home soon. live now where you are. the information day of the tv channel is in full swing. well, let's join our marathon now arkady petrosyan, head of the association of young internally displaced persons of ukraine, former head of the youth council in bakhmut. glory to ukraine, mr. arkady. glory to the heroes, have a good day. well, we would like to ask you about the situation with payments for internally

displaced persons, there were quite similar, well... proposals, in particular, it is about depriving people of appropriate payments, how is the situation developing now? according to resolution 332 of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, in general, from february 1, payments should be canceled, payments for the majority of internally displaced persons should be canceled persons, namely for internally displaced persons who issued payments by august 1, 2023, and these are all people from novaya kakhovka, from bakhmut, from mariupol. from the temporarily occupied luhansk region and zaporizhzhia region, were left only to certain vulnerable categories, such as people with disabilities of the first or second group, parents who adopted children, and so on. after an advocacy company, including our association of young internally displaced persons, after 25,000 people

signed a petition in one and a half days, payments were extended to 1 march, but... however, the ministry of social policy emphasizes that the state does not have money, due to the attention of international partners, we do not agree with this position, the position of our association of young idps is that payments should continue for people until the abolition of military state, because helping people who suffered from the war is one of the important priorities. for the state today, mr. arkady, but look, we understand that even now the state, in fact, directs most of its budget to the needs of the army, and this it is clear, and social payments and expenses are such an item of expenses that is taken from our allies, because the funds in the state budget are not enough to finance all items of expenses, and actually iryna

voreshchuk, if i remember correctly betrays, actually spoke about the fact that our allies demand a review... if these payments do have to be reviewed due to objective reasons, then who do you think should keep these payments, who could possibly do without them and get around definitely, in the state should now have two priorities: the first is defense capability, everything related to our military, their support, their armament, and so on, and the second is help to people who have suffered from the war, i don't know what... prime minister for the reintegration of the occupied territories iryna vereshchuk, we have never heard a statement from any international institution about the fact that it is not necessary to pay people benefits, and indeed, these 200 hryvnias is not a large amount of money, but for many it is is the key, i

at the beginning of the full-scale invasion , he was involved in the evacuation of people from bakhmut, from the bakhmut district. i know families who have now lost everything, left, i apologize, in one piece of clothing, and these funds are very important for them, and of course, it is difficult for the state to consider individual cases and private cases, but still, in the opinion of our association, payments should be received by those people who lost their houses, who lost their housing, whose housing... is under occupation, they chose ukraine and left, and these people should receive assistance from the state until it is canceled martial law, regardless of social status. see mr. arkady, i would like to ask you more about the situation with internally displaced persons, so we remember that there was such an initiative to transfer funds for

their maintenance to our budget, and accordingly we understand that it would be possible in one or another method would contribute to the return of our fellow citizens with you, on the other hand, we also understand that there are internally displaced persons, well, different ones, that is, i don’t know... central ukraine is a front-line zone, that is, whether there is western ukraine, so we remember that at one time, well, some of our european friends were surprised why, for example, people leave from ivano-frankivsk region or lviv region and say that they are refugees, helping our refugees abroad is the business of our international partners and of the countries in which they are located and the taxpayers of the countries in which they are located, so... i think that despite the various populist statements of some people there, we do not have the moral right to put pressure on the governments of countries that help our people,

our fellow citizens, we do not owe them to decide, it is necessary to deal with the people who suffered from the war here in the country, that is why our association appealed to all regional, district, local councils to deputies, so that they initiate a collective... appeal from their councils to the ukrainian government regarding the impossibility and consideration of possibilities continuation of payments for all internally displaced persons who received payments until february 1. mr. arkady, look, i have the following question for you: are you considering the possibility of certain differentiated payments depending on the more complex or simpler situation of this or that person, that is , some individual approach in this aspect, as with subsidies, for example, i once tried. to figure out when there were also people who issued subsidies, then it turned out that they are not so poor anymore, they need these subsidies, and to do something similar with payments for internally displaced persons, because if

we imagine a picture when we, conditionally say, they give one sum of money, and it will not cover all internally displaced persons, then it is necessary somehow, well, as they say, looking for a balance in all this, is such an option possible at all, as you think, well , as far as i can see?... it is very difficult for the relevant ministries to implement an individual approach and objectively, we have 4.9 million internally displaced persons only according to official data , so it's very difficult, and the only thing that all idps have in common is that we really lost our homes, we were forced to go home because of russian aggression, and i still... i stick to what of course there are individual cases and so on, and it is necessary to understand that these 2,000 uah, they would not be 2-300 uah, they would not be necessary,

if the state had a comprehensive approach and strategic decisions regarding work with internally displaced persons, regarding housing rent compensation, i.e. we remembered our western partners, how our refugees live there, and they are compensated for housing there, who rents them to them... housing is compensated for housing, currently we have almost no such practice, and we still have a problem here that we have rental market of normal housing in the country no, and the state once faced the problem that 5 million people were simply taken from one place of our country and moved to another place, this caused a logistical collapse, and people could not find housing, many of my acquaintances who moved to safer places in ukraine they couldn't have... they slept in school, in schools on the floor, in kindergartens, just because they couldn't and couldn't afford expensive housing there, for example in lviv or

ivano-frankivsk. mr. arkady, do you know, for example, if there are any statistics and numbers, how many people were forced to leave their homes due to shelling, due to , unfortunately, the occupation of certain territories of our country, and who were able, i don't know, to start a new life, or to find a job, which they will, well... will be paid normally, accordingly, so that people do not have this need to receive these funds from the state, from the state, are there any statistics at all of those immigrants who have now been able to realize themselves in the new locations where they ended up during this time? we did, our association did together with the council of europe no quite representative, but a study of the needs of young internally displaced persons, and we saw that in two years there are people who, after all, ... start a new life in a new place no matter what, but you have to understand that after all the socio-economic situation

in our country due to russian aggression... it does not contribute to people being able to quickly find a job, very quickly afford to rent decent housing, very quickly repaint, re-employment and so on, it is very difficult with this, and of course there is people who relocated and everything is fine with them financially, but there are people who still live in dormitories, they still live there almost on the floor, and who are these people for the most part, these people? retirement age, actually no , actually no, there are completely different people, there are large families, there are, i know people who , for example, worked all their lives at a factory in bakhmut, and they left for western ukraine, and for their specialty, for their professionals simply cannot find work, it is very difficult for them to find a new job, and they do not have such funds to rent housing, at all

private... cases, and one must understand that the most important thing is for the state to systematically help these people, this is the state's duty today, this is one of the two priorities that i mentioned. mr. arkady, what would i like to clarify with you, the program is restoration , have people already started to issue documents, i know that they have started to issue documents, but is there such a mechanism, yes, providing people with compensation for destroyed housing and how many such people, if you know, here is an interesting story, i am not very familiar with the program for its recovery, however, there is a story, for example, the public of the bakhmut community, bakhmut is completely destroyed, and the people there are not there now because of problems with the legislation, they cannot report the destroyed housing, and now they are collecting signatures to the cabinet of ministers about the fact that they cannot apply for restoration, this is

a problem. approximately 70,000 people lived in the city and all of them lost their homes and property. thank you, mr. arkady. arkady petrosyan, former head of the association of young internally displaced persons of ukraine head of the youth council in bakhmut. an extremely interesting and informative conversation, well, let's hope that our government officials will respond in an analytical way to the information heard. the situation is not so. as simple as we would like, in particular, when we talk about money, we understand that there may be problems with american aid in order to cover our internal ukrainian needs, but also to leave people without financial support, especially since it is not some such cosmic, it is also impossible, they have to be very flexible and elastic mechanisms of control and analysis, as marta oliarnyk just pointed out, that

those groups of people should diversify. who really need help, well, what is help in the amount of 2000 uah, well, 200 uah, and it ’s actually, as they say, in galicia we have such a thing as dead incense, it’s somewhere around the same 200 uah, but if the family likes it, well, it can to stabilize them somewhat, well, but i think that the key story is the problem with housing, so to speak, and certain prospects for people, so we understand that for the time being macrofin, while this will be all, but people... we have to live somewhere like this already, well, but we, by the way, will inform you in the meantime about what is happening around us, now in the capital, the police from the tsk are looking for enemy saboteurs, this is the information we received, representatives of the obolon tsk of the kyiv police and the 129th battalion of teroborona are looking for russian saboteurs in kyiv obolon. i quote verbatim: in the obolon district of the city of kyiv, search operations are being conducted with the participation of representatives of the number one defense sector of the city of kyiv, opolonsky.

of the territorial center for the recruitment of social support of the 129th battalion of territorial defense and representatives of the obolon police department, the main department of the national police in the city of kyiv regarding the detection of sabotage and intelligence groups of the enemy, so if you see any restrictions on the road, additional signs, then know that now there is such an operation to find enemy saboteurs and be careful, but in the meantime we pass the word to anna eva melnyk, who is already ready to inform us, more news, so anna eva, we pass it on to you word, and actually, tell what this issue will be about. greetings, colleagues, i will start this issue with how many more f-16 fighters will be transferred to ukraine, the netherlands. be with us.