country, and this is the risk that, unfortunately, can have truly catastrophic consequences, not only for us as a state, but also for the european continent and indeed for the global world, in accordance with those potential new costs and including human an insane resource on the part of the united states, which today prefer not to notice, in particular , the radical republicans of the united states... of the united states, well, america, i mean, this is the right-wing radical wing of the republicans. yes, we call for the fact that, so that this is the moderate part of the republican party party, the democratic party, this center , which, ah, they constantly emphasize, whose representatives constantly emphasize their readiness to support ukraine, after all, ah, resolved this issue, if possible, maybe remove it, let's say. from all these agreements

aid to israel, then in my opinion it is just as possible to remove aid to ukraine from all these agreements and then consider the purely foreign policy aspect separately, but you and i understand that, once again, everything rests on this frantic pursuit of the presidential campaign, which has already actively started in of the united states of america and actually the parliamentary campaign, because the lower... and the us congress will be re-elected at the end of this year, and many people here, well, look very carefully at their chances to be nominated and win the primaries in their district from the republican party . unfortunately, all these things make a normal, constructive, far-sighted dialogue, which would concern aid to ukraine, impossible. but mrs. ivanna, here... from the current course of events

in the united states of america, or should we say that when trump comes to power, the attitude of the united states of america towards ukraine may change or be different, or whether trump is a pre-election candidate and trump is the president, these are basically two different people, because in principle we have seen trump's activities as president of the united states of america. now he says that it is not a problem for him to end the war in ukraine at all, of course this is a pre-election slogan, and that he is ready to convince putin, whom he knows very well, and to talk with zelensky, and that if he comes to power, this war will not happen, where is trump, the real one, in which story? well, you and i understand that there is no conversation between trump, neither with putin, nor with the tsar.

by god, you know, will not lead to the fact that this war will just start and end, and because for this it is necessary, it is necessary that it end on the terms of justice, that it end on the terms of international law and on the terms of preserving the functioning and opportunities for choice country, the state of ukraine, so it is obvious that any election campaign, it... well, it carries with it a huge number of slogans and such statements, which are far from always part of politics after one or another leader comes to power, but it seems to me that now we should not there is so much to predict what kind of president trump will be or not, and because you and i also do not understand how it will end, this is...

the secret of democracy that, unlike russia, we do not know the results of the elections that will be held in end of this year on the 24th in the united states of america, i would it seemed that we now have to continue, first of all, to work with public opinion in the united states of america, which american politicians actually listen to, if we have any chance, minimal, to make our way to ... to be heard in the united states to the united states of america, to the ordinary american citizens, to be heard in the united states of america, the ordinary american citizens, this is the, well, this, this is that, that focus, that effort, which seems to me, now it would be important for all public figures to do, to all politicians, to everyone representatives, well, the parliament in ukraine, including government officials as well, but we see that the system... work in this

direction, unfortunately, is not being carried out, who will be the president or this or that president who will be elected at the end next year, at the end of this year and what it will be like next year. year, and we still have such a hope that , just like the first time, for example, if it will be trump , then just like the first time his presidency, after all , it is the institutions, the balance of power, the balance, well, of all these counterbalances , which which which the united states formulated for itself for many, well...centuries, it made it possible for the united states to remain a country, a democratic country that takes leadership and is able to make decisions in the national interests of the state, so we will rely on institutions, we will to count on those

people who represent them, and besides, we do not have the opportunity to relax and simply wait for the end of this election campaign, for us before it, before you see its end. one must not just survive, but must then return to the fact that we could win back our people from aggressive russia, from the occupier country, the terrorist country. today, the members of orbán's fidesz party did not come to the parliamentary session, where the vote was taken on the ratification of the agreement on sweden's accession to... the atlantic alliance, and well, they did not come and that's all, that is, they should have voted and postponed the whole issue until february 26. at the same time, szijjártó said that hungary is against the new sanctions of the european union against russia in the energy

sector, that is, both orbán and szijjártó simultaneously are taking steps that indicate that they are not friendly, neither to ukraine, nor to the european union, nor to nato, although it seemed on friday, when the decision was made, or on thursday, when the decision was made to provide ukraine with 50 billion euro aid, orbán's problem or hungary's problems, the european union has somehow decided how much hungary will stand in the way of ukraine in our european euro-atlantic aspirations? well, just so that you and i understand what happened in the hungarian parliament, the hungarian opposition gathered the necessary number of votes in order to announce an extraordinary session of the parliament in order to make a decision on the ratification of sweden's membership in nato, and

indeed fidesz did not come to this, fidesz deputies did not come to this meeting, obviously due to the fact that , to show that, as they say, no opposition will tell us anything. and we will decide here ourselves, when and in what way and how we will make this decision, and as for how hungary will proceed, whether it will pose a certain threat to us, will not pose a certain threat to us, obviously, unfortunately, it will put sticks in our wheels at every stage of our negotiation process with the european union, and the issue of hungary or there, let's say, the issue of... the european union by orbán was not decided in any way finally, there , let's say, you know, on february 1, so once again a formula was found, how to force orbán not to break the agreements of the entire

european union and give an opportunity to make this decision, in including about 50 billions of euros of aid for ukraine. but he did not abandon his further intentions, he promised you and me that even before our entry into the european union, he still has the opportunity to block our progress up to a hundred times and will use it not even the least, well, at the lowest technical level , will try to create additional problems in order to raise. its importance in this way and in this way to get additional attention or some additional benefits for myself, but i think i expressed myself very clearly with on this occasion, the prime minister of poland, donald tusk, when he clearly said that already, that

europe itself is tired of mr. orban, i think that any of his new exits will require a tougher, tougher and tougher reaction. thank you, mrs. ivana , for the conversation, it was ivanna klympush tsinsadze, friends, during this broadcast we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about whether you are satisfied with the work of the head of the armed forces of ukraine, so the result of the television survey is 94% yes 6 % no on youtube 96% yes 4% no, continue to vote, there are 15% discounts on fervex in the psyllany bam and oskad pharmacies. there are discounts on hepargim. 10% in pharmacies plantain pam and savings. there are discounts on petal one plus, 10%

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number of high-ranking officials. who will be included in the rotation? we work on several platforms at once, on the air of the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us there. please like this video, don't be stingy, because this video will be trending on youtube and facebook. well, take it participation in our survey, today we ask you about the following: are you satisfied with the work of the head of the armed forces of ukraine? yes, no, everything is quite simple in youtube. if you 're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphones and vote. if you are satisfied with zaluzhnyi's work: 0800-211381, no 0800-211-382. call all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce the guests of today's

studio, they are the best political experts of ukraine. vitaly kulyk, director of the center studies of civil problems. of society, mr. vitaly, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, igor reiterovych, head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development, mr. igor, good evening, good evening, thank you for being with us today, and serhiy taran, political scientist, mr. serhiy , i welcome you, thank you for joining our broadcast. congratulations, mr. serhiy. well, since we ask our viewers and tv viewers, whether they are satisfied with the work of the head of the armed forces? i will also ask you what you think about working as a boss, but remember that we will have a separate conversation about this, and let's use the format of a blitz poll so that everyone has time to speak very briefly about zaluzhnyi's work, mr. vitaly, please, well, i don't have an unequivocal answer, let's say, if in the 22nd year i was absolutely

happy that zaluzhnyy is a gonkomkom, then in the 23rd year i accumulated a lot of questions, but more about... how about him and his strategic decisions, how much about the organization of defense and the armed forces of ukraine in general, that is, how they function, what relationships take place, how assignments are advanced, what what is happening in the general staff, what is happening at the level of individual commanders, it has accumulated, accumulated, i have not received an answer, so i do not have an answer, clearly, how i feel. thank you, mr. vitaly, mr. igor, taking into account all available resources, circumstances and possible. and my answer is definitely so satisfied. thank you, mr. sergey. well, i think the answer is obvious. the ukrainian armed forces are showing real miracles of courage, and of course, the person who heads the armed forces is directly on the spot, he cannot help but deserve trust, and this, by the way, is supported by various sociological surveys, and

we now see that it is zsu that has the most trust in society, and zaluzhnye has a fairly serious one. trust, which can be transformed into a political rating, and a lot of problems of a different order are connected with this, but of course, there is trust in this person, and not only in me, but also in the whole society. meanwhile, in an interview with the italian tv company ray-1, president zelenskyy confirmed that he is considering replacing the commander-in-chief diligent, but also plans to rotate a number of the country's leaders. today , information appeared in the ukrainian press that... the supreme commander wants to change the head of the general staff, chief of the general staff serhiy shaptala, and it is not known for sure when this rotation will take place, but in the evening it became known that from his position asked the minister of veterans' affairs of ukraine, yulia laputina,

major general of the sbu, a person who worked in the security service of ukraine for a very long time. she wrote a statement of resignation, although she was appointed in december of the 20th year, that is , she was in this position for more than three years, president zelenskyi commented on this dismissal in his evening address. let's listen to what zelensky said. this morning, we discussed with prime minister denys shmyhal the strengthening of the policy of heroes, the policy of veterans. steps that will solve existing problems in this area. and will add confidence to our people, reset steps, and not only in this direction. with all due respect to the minister, this is a management issue only. ukraine needs fresh strength energy and sufficient leadership in every field. we must win this war and do

the maximum this year, that is, even more than possible. mr. igor, when... zelenskyi says this about a complete reset, for some reason i think of these five or six managers who run the state, because actually, who else is running the state, when it comes to restarting the state leadership, then i only perceive it this way, well, the military leadership, of course, obeys the supreme commander, it is his constitutional right, the legal right to change them there and carry out a certain rotation, personnel ... reboot, what can it be, in your opinion? well, i think that this whole story, it is still tied to one last name, and this last name is louzhny, and it gives the impression that these are from... changes and a separate statement of the president tonight, which we need in every in the field there are effective managers, a new vision, new approaches, new trends, i don’t

know, fresh blood, you can call it differently, the pro-government telegram channels called it a new course, a new wave, i saw such today the messages that they very actively pushed in the morning, in fact, it seems that simply in order to somehow arrange a possible personnel rotation, which is specifically related to the diligent and possibly also the chief of the general... staff, they decided to add to the list no i know ministers there, maybe some other civil servants who are currently in the country, and to present it as some kind of global change, a global rotation that is not tied exclusively to the person of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, well, at least i have , well, there is such a thing perceptions of these processes, because when we look at the president's statement, by the way. that again, it is not a national media, he was more, let's say, you know, frank in them than directly communicating with the citizens of ukraine tonight, so

everything boils down to the fact that the president himself does not yet see how far this rotation should take place , who in principle can fall under it there and on what principles it should be based, so it seems that they just took certain surnames, to whom there were some questions and solved them all together like this remove, well, maybe... in certain stages , as we understand that the verkhovna rada must consider the resignation of ministers there, including that the cabinet of ministers considers it beforehand, with others it may be easier, but all this can be arranged in one day, others i don't have any explanations to date, because if we take, for example, the person of the head of the, well, soon former, as i understand it, ministry of veterans, then many people today must have learned with surprise that we even have a specialized ministry, which should engage, ours heroes, and it does not perform these functions at all, and it did not happen today, the question about it has accumulated actually since the first day of its existence, but for some reason only now we

see this statement and we see this staff rotation, well, i do not think that it will affect specifically, the president's office there, perhaps there are plans for some reshuffles there, but no more, mainly the cabinet of ministers and the country's military leadership will be affected, because , of course, not everything boils down to meritocracy, if there are already some rotations. rather than the president will do all of them according to the full program, that is, change from the bottom to the top, bring new people there, and present it as a maximum update, which is not personal, but is really such a comprehensive approach to those issues, well, problems that exist today in country. mr. vitaly, why can't president zelensky openly say what he wants, well, for example, i want the resignation of valery zaluzhny, he could say that, or i want changes. the entire block of army officers who lead the armed forces of ukraine means the chief of the general staff, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine

, well, probably the commanders of certain branches of the military there, why was there such a long show, where at first someone throws information into the information space, then refutes it, then someone... asserts it, then the western media write about it, everyone refers to the western media, then it turns out that in washington they knew about these intentions, that the president wants to rotate the commander-in-chief, why, why are there no simple and clear explanations and simple and clear communications, well, colleagues actually answered this question, because the rating of mr. zulzhny to... is high and in some positions higher than that of the president, this is firstly, secondly, that there is no consensus not in the political class, but not in the military command resignation

of the commander-in-chief, the president would prefer to transfer this responsibility to a collective decision, stakes, security councils, but even there among the security forces he does not receive unequivocal support, so people are not ready to sign up to such decisions, we have heard these rumors that that it is necessary to sign and... that an appeal of the military command is allegedly being prepared about the need to replace the rotation, but even this has not happened, that is, there is no unambiguous collective, collective form of replacing the leadership of the military leadership, therefore the president is going along the path of such an increase in the framework, talks about the need for a large rotation, this is where the idea of ​​a new personnel course comes from. but in fact, who can be dismissed now, who can be replaced? talks about the prime minister, but then it should be said that the quality of the cabinet of ministers has to change that it should be an actor who adopts

the collective. the decision that it is impossible to manage the then cabinet of ministers in a manual mode, as is currently happening with the government, we are already talking about the dak, we have mr. shmagal as the prime minister for four years, but if you give people two photo cards of shmygal and charles michel, it's not a fact that they recognize our prime minister, that is, it is a government, but it is a banking government, zelenskyi's government, which is managed manually and... the ministers who are appointed to this government are also the bank's responsibility. and now when they are talking about a new course, about a big rotation , well, really, it looks quite funny , since it is really about zaluzhnyi, only about him, everyone else is being pulled by the trailer, although i want to note that about the need for replacement in the cabinet of ministers in many positions and in that the minister of veterans has been talked about for a long time, during

the last quarter these names... appear in the public sphere, as part of criticism from the civil society of individual ministers and their activities, that they do not cope proactive policy, there is no systemic one , or there is a systemic crisis in these bodies, this thing concerns the ministry of internal affairs, because there i believe that the collapse of the system is taking place after the death of monastyrskyi, and now it is already taking on some catastrophic proportions, and it is possible that now is the time will come to the idea of ​​appointing a new minister to head the ministry of internal affairs, but zelenskyi's reserve bench is so large, that is, it can be a transfer from one security officer, from one place to another, and not the arrival of some other team, so the new course is feminism, but it does not have any real meaning, it is more of a form, here is a meritorious plus someone else, let's add someone else to the list for dismissal, in fact, the quality will not

change, not in the management of the armed forces... forces , not in the management of the cabinet of ministers or authorities , and in addition to the fact that they can clean up a whole list of governors of heads of military-civilian administrations and regional state administrations, that’s right, this is most likely also a trailer, because there are questions for individual heads of regions, there are questions to the frontline areas, where there are no delays in many social projects. security, inadequate behavior, inadequate communication, that is, such a package can be issued, but regarding the prime minister, i think that the bankers are still thinking, because the appointment of a new prime minister is also subject to certain political obligations, well, this is a risky step for the bank, thank you, mr. serhiy, all power is now basically concentrated in the hands of five or six managers, and volodymyr says this directly.

zelenskyi, it is clear that in the history of for the hardworking, it is more complicated here, just the procedure and dismissal, and in general, the reaction to this dismissal can be in the army and in society, in variations of the change of the prime minister or ministers, i think it will be easier, because i have been engaged in political journalism for 30 years, but i don't even know all the ministers by their first and last names, well, honestly, i think you probably won't say who the minister of ecology is now in ukraine, or the minister of social policy, because these people are so inconspicuous, it's unclear what they do, they don't report to citizens in public, they do not report to the verkhovna rada of ukraine, that is, this concentration of power that zelenskyi currently has, it can allow him to replace the hard worker and the chief of the general staff

of the armed forces. of ukraine, regarding other rotations that may take place in ukraine, to what extent they can change the situation, worsen, improve the history of these five or six managers of zelensky, and maybe he will also dismiss these five or six managers from their positions? well , the question here is not at all about the manager and not even about the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of whether another manager, the only question is that now... the diligent has a high rating, which can be transformed into political influence. well, this is the main problem, well, what are we going to come up with here. and this is confirmed by the fact that now, or not now, for the last year or so , various sociological polls have been circulating, commissioned by various structures and conducted by various firms, and they show the model of elections in the event that they take place. and there is such a result

that... zaluzhny has high ratings.