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of putin's visit to turkey, but last week they talked about the date, february 12 was named, and we remind you that today the director of the magat, rafael mariano grossi, arrived in kyiv on an official visit, and he announced that on zas, i.e. , the term of operation of nuclear fuel at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is coming to an end, and grosi is currently in the capital, after that he has to visit... his personal zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in order to check what is happening there now, the situation at the zs is icy, as grossi said during the briefing , according to him, the main problems as of now are the end of the life of the nuclear fuel in the reactors, as well as a significant reduction in the station's technical staff, well, but we will now talk in more detail about the russian church in ukraine, which has not yet been banned, volodymyr vitrovich, people 's deputy of ukraine, member of the verkhovna rada committee on humanitarian information policy in eter

spresso, we congratulate you, glory to ukraine, heroes, glory. well, we would like to ask you about the fate of the bill. do we know that the verkhovna rada committee on humanitarian and information policy is finalizing work on a draft law banning the functioning of religious organizations associated with the aggressor state? at what stage is the completion of the work now? at the stage of combination very different bills into one so that this... which we passed in the first reading was as effective as possible, the fact is that several bills were registered in the parliament that related to the ban of the russian orthodox church, unfortunately, the parliament considered only one of them , the government bill, in our opinion, is one of the weaker bills, so our task now between the first and second reading is to include in it those norms that are extremely important from other bills, among other things, the bill, which the deputies on...

wrote, responding to the appeal of the security service of ukraine, a bill that was written to facilitate transitions from the parishes of the russian church to the orthodox church of ukraine, and of course, the basic bill, which in our opinion is the best, this is the bill where mykola knyazhytskyi and i and many other deputies were co-authors of what, in our opinion, would be a much more effective tool for ending the russian orthodox church, but we have been going on for several months now... discussions on the committee, it seems to me that we are some the basic things have been agreed upon, if there is no interference from external forces, then there is a high probability that we will still manage to improve this government bill, and many of the important norms that are in other bills will be in the one that will be introduced in the second reading in the parliament, and it is obvious that the key and one of the basic norms of this draft law is literally the prohibition of the russian orthodox church, to our surprise

, the position of the state committee on ethnopolitics and freedom of conscience was that let's not ban the russian orthodox church, it is somehow not wrong not to mention this structure at all. in the draft law, it is typical not to talk about its ban, well, this position did not find support in the majority of the committee, so i hope it will be preserved, and now , obviously, we are already at the stage when we are prescribing a specific toolkit, how this ban should be implemented, because in this project, which mykola knyazhytskyi and i prepared, such a toolkit was spelled out quite clearly, it related, among other things, to the implementation of ukrainian legislation tomos received by the orthodox church of ukraine, unfortunately, this norm was rejected by the representatives. this is the majority, so we are now looking for other tools that also ensure the irreversible liquidation of this structure in ukraine. mr. volodymyr , look, your colleague, people's deputy mykola knyazhytskyi wrote on his facebook that now the paradox is that other churches, too

, are calm about the ban of the russian orthodox church, because they are wary of too much strengthening of the ocu, a kind of ecclesiastical calmness in them. yes? that is, i am interested in understanding whether the supreme committee council somehow cheated with representatives of all , well, confessions, yes, and the greek-catholic church somehow, perhaps in this process the ocu also plays a role, because we understand that we would like churchmen to be united in this aspect and united around one problem, which is to expel the fsb of the russian federation from here, i would also like that, of course, that we are in contact with representatives of churches, including ukrainian christian churches, through the council of churches, we are talking about the ukrainian greek-catholic church and about... most, obviously about the orthodox church of ukraine, i absolutely agree with mykola, i also lack some more decisive position of representatives of ukrainian churches regarding the necessity of adopting such a law, because it is a matter of national security and it is obvious that who but representatives of ukrainian churches

should understand the danger of the existence of the russian of the orthodox church in ukraine. as for the orthodox church of ukraine, to be honest, i was surprised by the position of the representatives of this church in these discussions, precisely... they insisted that the provisions on tomos was not included in the draft law, in our opinion, this significantly weakens this draft law , but actually such a position was officially voiced by them, and accordingly we already assume from this that, unfortunately, this provision will not be in the draft law, and accordingly, that is why now so we spend a lot of time looking for some other mechanisms that would stop the activity of the entire network of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, because... we are not talking about one legal entity, we are talking about more than 10,000 such legal entities that actually exist affiliated with the russian orthodox church. well look mr. volodymyr, and here is the key story: forecasting the consequences and preparing certain mechanisms, so we understand that you know

whether, for example, the orthodox church of ukraine will have the strength to digest such a number, for example, of parishes that would join it, and at the same time more. .. a question that is also very relevant, we understand that this is not a question about legislation, but about real religious policy, it is a question of learned bishops and archbishops, that is, if appropriate consultations were held, then maybe there was already some, i don’t know, formal, informal the position of the orthodox church of ukraine and , in general, to what extent they will be ready to accept the brothers in the cross, well, with the exception of those who serve the russian special services. i understand very well that this new situation, which will appear in the event of the adoption of the law, will put the orthodox church of ukraine in front of a serious challenge, a challenge of a certain church lustration, because it is obvious that, on the one hand , they would have to include in their ranks a very large number of these

people who previously belonged to the russian orthodox church, including priests, but obviously not all, it is obvious that there should also be some kind of filtering of those... people who undoubtedly cooperated with russia, but in any case, it seems to me that the orthodox church of ukraine should be ready for this, because this is a historical moment that we are now we are worried about you, i am afraid that if such a law , which will put an end to the existence of the russian orthodox church, is not adopted in the near future, unfortunately, the historical window of opportunity to put an end to the existence of this russian structure, the russian agency in ukraine is simply will end, in my opinion, the best option for this. the best time for this was at the end of 2022, unfortunately, we already delayed the adoption of this law, so whether the orthodox church of ukraine wants it or not , it is obvious that it must prepare for a new situation when it should be the only

orthodox church in ukraine, as it is stipulated by the tomos, which was received by the orthodox church of ukraine in previous years. yes, and the important point you mentioned is lustration. those scoundrels who betrayed their dignity, yes, and served evil to the enemy special services, accordingly, in your opinion, what should this mechanism look like in general, which would... criteria, well, in general , this would require the presence of very clear , well-developed mechanisms, so we understand, that there is closed information , open information, there are, i think, some or other employees in the robes, so to speak, of the russian special services, who could prevent her from this or that public activity, and she, for example, is in some or of our other special services, in their offices, well, actually this one the work should be done by a non-orthodox woman. of ukraine, this work should be done precisely by the special services, this is their activity, if there is information about cooperation with the enemy,

representatives of this structure, it is obvious that this is information that should be the basis of not some decisions about church lustration, but the basis of criminal decisions, because in ukraine , this is a criminal offense of collaborationism, and it is obvious that these people should be prosecuted according to civil, not church, some canons, according to... civil court on responsibility, criminal responsibility for cooperation with the enemy. mr. volodymyr, if we are talking about the final stage of the committee's work, is it possible to assume at least an approximate time frame when this draft law can be submitted in the second reading to the parliament. i would very much like for this to happen already, for us to finish work on this sometime this week and, accordingly, that maybe in february we could still consider it in the parliament, but the problem is that... in principle, we have established good cooperation in the committee of various political forces,

but we perfectly understand the sensitivity of this project, in particular for the leadership of the state and the president's office, that is, i can be calm, confident about working on this project only on the condition that there will not be any interference from the president's office again. unfortunately, we have already had a situation where some of our joint efforts, which should obviously benefit the state, simply stopped because the position of the president's office was different. thank you, volodymyr vitrovych, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine of humanitarian and information policy, and we actually talked with him about the work of the verkhovna rada committee on the profile, actually the committee, which is currently finalizing the consideration of the draft law on the banning of religious organizations associated with the russian orthodox church, but now we will take a short break, and after it we will add to our agenda also a people's deputy of ukraine, with whom we will continue to talk. regarding the bill on the banning of religious organizations that are connected to the russian orthodox church,

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the information day of the espresso tv channel continues, well, we understand that the plenary week of the verkhovna rada of ukraine is ongoing, there are several extremely important bills that can be considered this week. oksana savchuk, people's deputy of ukraine, is in touch with us. glory to ukraine, ms. oksano. glory to the heroes, i congratulate you. the law on mobilization, which the employees are waiting for. territorial recruitment centers and military servicemen, what is the bill now? we understand that certain amendments are possible, they are working, they are being finalized in committees, and are there any other alternatives are the bills registered? yes, you know that today in the parliament session there were a number of different bills that we voted on,

so i will still say that we extended the martial law for 90 days, and... also the general mobilization for 90 days, so it was all continued , continued automatically, these bills were voted on, and as far as mobilization is concerned, you know that this issue from the beginning, the government, including the office of the president, was introduced incorrectly, because before the new year, the cabinet introduced a bill that actually introduced a very a lot of controversy in society, it was removed for revision, and now, once again, the new option, which is registered, is proposed to the verkhovna rada to vote in the first reading in an accelerated mode, therefore today the deadlines for submitting alternative bills and speeding up the consideration have been shortened, i

understand that today the committee will be able to begin its work, since... they are only planning that the first reading will probably be voted on in the coming days. i will say again what i said before once, when the previous cabinet draft law was registered, you need to take your time, weigh everything carefully, listen to all sides, today the people's deputies , including me, came somewhere, i counted 12 letters to your broadcast from different women who write: about their situations, about disability, everyone has a lot of fears, and i am convinced that, first of all, people need to dispel these fears, that we are the ones who do not vote for the amendments, that we support, somewhere we will of course disagree, and what will you disagree with, well look i'm not

i think that we should withdraw completely and send all the people who are studying you... still, we need to give them the opportunity to study and finish scientific work, also, since there were contradictions in certain professions, just not everyone knows that there is a postgraduate related specialties, and people can enroll in them, it does not necessarily have to correspond to the one with which a person graduated from higher education. the second story is that it is not completely clear what will happen to families in which there are, for example, wives with disabilities, that is, in including the first, second, third group is written in such a way that it turns out that it will be possible to interpret it differently, and therefore... we have to write it down very clearly, after all, if there is a wife, a disabled person in the family, they have children, a lot depends on a man.

third, after all, the bill is not only about those who will leave, and how to choose something, it seems to me that it is much broader, we should discuss in this bill alternative ways of preparing the population for basic knowledge , so that in time of war, which mean... mean, look, voluntary movements all practically destroyed, who left in the first days , there is nothing about this in the new draft law, about dftg, for example, who can work in the territories, why dftg, people who can go there in sumy oblast, chernihiv oblast, other neighboring regions, they can be active , that is , they can work, and they can serve in their departments, and for this the state does not need to pay more money. because now there is no money, that is, we would also like such things to be in this draft law, but unfortunately, for now everything comes down to coercion, to

such moments, although you and i perfectly understand that today the armed forces are underequipped, if , for example, 20 or 22 people were to go on combat missions, depending on what the operation is, then half as many go out, and... of course , the military is asking to be clearly spelled out what their rights will be after 36 months, or will they have the right to just submit an application, and this application can be considered, you know, a month, two, three, that's all here are such nuances, we should prescribe, for this there is no need to hurry, for me there is such an unhealthy situation again, when the servant of the people faction wants to speed up everything and once again turn everything over its knee. to vote, that is, there is no such thing that we do not understand the importance of mobilization, we understand it, we believe that it should be, but there should be balance, because

both the rich and the poor have to fight, all ms. oxano, but look, i would also like to mention about the fact that the european business association criticized this draft law, they note that it is almost no different from the one that was pre-registered, and in fact very much attention is paid to the possibilities. because the business association says that the government considered such possibilities, but at the moment we understand that there are currently no such initiatives in the parliament regarding the change of mobilization, forgive me, regarding the changes regarding reservations, exchange, let's say, for high taxes for that person, which will have this armor. yes, i was also approached by business representatives to request that this be a government regulation regarding booking at the expense of large specialists, that is, the main specialists on whom they rely some businesses and some large firms, for the fact that if there is a guarantee of armor, there are high

wages, and accordingly high taxes, as far as i know, this issue is actually in this bill now, it is not there at all, if it will be in any to appear in any editions, it will most likely be in the form of government regulations. mrs. oksana. look, we understand that the situation is extremely important when it comes to rumors about the future career and tenure of the position of head, head of the armed forces of ukraine, general valery zaluzhny , that is, we can only comment on rumors at the moment, but the situation, so to speak, well, it looks like this, is not progressing to some, i don't know, correct conclusion, in the opinion of society, no very clear ones were heard. positions of our representatives of the executive authorities and the authorities of the verkhovna rada and so on and so forth, well , is it possible to share now some rumors or information that are heard in the verkhovna rada on

this matter? well, all conscious deputies understand that now there is absolutely no need to make any moves regarding commander-in-chief valery zaluzhny, he should remain in his place, especially in such a difficult time. when we have, firstly, winter , secondly, we had a difficult january, it was quite wintery, thirdly, we have such a situation where the military is waiting for the law, it is quite controversial now, and yet the commander-in-chief has great authority and who should he be changed to, and if he is to be changed to whom , then for what purpose, i.e. what should the new person bring, because you understand, he is involved... a military man, that is, he thinks strategically, how a military man, and he, behind him is a team of people who know what to do, so i personally believe that it was such an absolutely very...

bad story internal to ukraine, such an internal sabotage of all those who began to use this dangerous subtle game , regarding the replacement of the commander-in-chief, and the situation is quite difficult, including abroad, because not only that, we go around and say that we need funds, we have a difficult situation at the front, we understand that somewhere the russian military will press now , because they want to show up to... the result, and what do we then we should leave everything unchanged and, on the contrary, support the armed forces as much as possible, and not undermine the authority of the industrious, so i definitely hope that the healthy golust will win and the situation will not change, because it will greatly, well, significantly affect the situation inside the armed forces. ms. oksana, we know that you are one of those

few deputies. who for a very long time insist on banning the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, and in front of you was volodymyr vitrovych, who actually reported on what is currently in the committee at the final stage before the justification of this bill, what risks we may face if, conditionally speaking, we vote it in the second reading, but nevertheless there will be many ukrainians who are parishioners of this church, and in fact, in your opinion , the state should now think... about the mechanisms of some educational direction, to explain and explain to these people, because we understand that the ban is only, it is not effective, yes, but we need to work with people in this direction, i i will even say more, we do not work much in the information campaign regarding this issue, eh, because abroad russia is very actively financing all the propaganda, where it shows us as

those who... mock christianity, priests, and in some european countries , including america, any attack on christianity is considered a rather bad signal, and therefore it is necessary to explain to ukraine that this is not oppression, church, but it is only about the fact that we have facts when the aggressor through religious organizations, and precisely the moscow patriarchate, which under... this country, directly affects the consciousness of ukrainians and actually promotes the war through their churchmen, that is, it is not about christianity, and we need to talk about this work internally, because this law was demonized by russia and all those telegram channels, and those moscow priests themselves, who constantly impose these thoughts on these parishioners, they work very actively, in our case

, we have been for a long time over... the history between the first and second reading, we could already dispel these myths, adopt this bill and show that everything happens quite transparently. there is another point here, which is the amendment bill, and there are quite a lot of amendments, more than a thousand, we will bring with the parliament and the whole society to the second reading. i personally submitted amendments for such key things as the state one. the return of our holy places , because we have to do something about it, the second is a ban, and the third, look, in conclusion, what i will say, the absence of the minister of culture still in office, there is no other person, in my opinion, is connected with by the fact that, among other things, they do not want to quickly implement this bill on the prohibition of moscow patriarchy, because the lion's share would still fall on the shoulders of the minister, who is still not appointed and not even stuttered about it. mrs.

oksano, finally, i wanted to briefly ask whether the story of restitution, with the return of the church of st. nicholas, to the church community is progressing now in kyiv. and just briefly, i know that this issue is debatable and it is happening quite slowly. ugh. ugh. we thank you. oksana savchuk, people's deputy of ukraine, was on the air of espress, she informed us about the active work of people's deputies and regarding the draft law on the prohibition of russia. of the orthodox church, and indeed about the draft law on mobilization, we understand that it causes a lot of debate in ukrainian society, but we still understand that it needs to be adopted, but we agree with mrs. oksana that the parliament should consider this issue approach, we will finish today, antin and i are already saying goodbye to you until tomorrow, but our colleagues will continue to inform you about

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