and this is where we need to figure it out, so our commander-in-chief is the president, he asks this question and publicly already and so on and so forth, you, please, not you, of course, but you, you make a decision or don't make it, because this is some kind of strange, a little , strange, not a little, very strange situation, because, well, i want to tell you, even my friends, acquaintances, who are currently in the army are writing, they don't like this back and forth, they want clear schedules, who gives orders, who plans military operations and so on, that's the same the important thing in this, in this aspect, well , regarding what i wrote, well, you see, we have many people who influence the final decision, the most important thing in this story is that the war, it does not pause. and

it is necessary to constantly carry out appropriate military planning, well, that is, it seems that zelensky is inclined to sign the decree, so a week ago this decree was already ready, the only thing is that here the surnames change from time to time, and as it turned out, there is no so many people. that is, there are people who are ready to take up a position, well on the other hand, there is an order for this, well, the situation is clear, there is really nothing to add here, to be honest, yes, we just need to see what kind of reboot is announced by zelensky in an interview with italian journalists, that is, italian journalists and italian society , they just wanted to hear that we will have a personnel reset. and it was necessary

to explain to the italians that, you see, we have the head of the armed forces of ukraine, which zelensky is not very happy with, and of course, as in the situation, by the way, this is a coincidence the history of surveillance yesterday denys bigus and his team in published a film about how a team of 30 sbushniks installed bugs there, installed video cameras where they rested or. worked , including the training they had there, and today again everyone throws up their hands, they say, well, in principle, we have freedom of speech, kostin said that there is freedom of speech, the prosecutor general, the head of the sbu said that there is freedom of speech , and i have completely logical questions, who, who should answer for the fact that during the war 30 sbushniks lead journalists, install cameras, act unprofessionally, and... of course,

if we are talking about freedom of speech, then why does no one ask the question that the espresso tv channel has not been present in t2 since april 22nd, we are just they turned it off, well, this is also a threat to freedom of speech, but you see, the bigus made a film, the whole world is listening, the ambassadors of the big seven will meet with ukrainian journalists, and this is also indicative of what this story with the bigus shows, eh? well, first of all , it is beneficial for the authorities to work only telethon, well , let's talk directly, call a spade a spade , why am i in such sexual conditions, well , during the war, you can't say, i'm turning on from the car, because i was at such an event, it's called the editorial board, you see, that's roman symbaliuk, i still have a lot left here, and just this story, it worried everyone very much, censorship.

there someone compared it to the times of yanukovych, what i want to say, how to formulate it correctly, serhiy, well, agree, the one who planned it, who carried it all out, who gave the first basic instruction, well, we have such commands are usually given only by the heads of special services, and accordingly the heads, they are subordinate to the political. we don't have a junta here, the president's office or the president himself , well, it doesn't happen any other way, it's just that no one can say something, who knew it, so we see these boys on the screen now, a handsome boy with a backpack, like in the investigation, it is said that one of them is called a clown in the phone book, so i know a person who is listed as a clown and... i want to tell our

secret services that you serve the state, and what happened, in fact, it is, it’s just a crime, it’s an article like that, and if... the authorities don’t put anyone in jail, then they didn’t understand anything, and in fact, it’s so harsh, yes, a group of officers carried out a crime is a crime , in this story about the drug trade, let them tell it to someone else, everyone perfectly understands why it was done, it is a crime, and they must be held responsible for this crime, that is, it should not be dismissal, the court and so on and so on. but what am i leading all this to, that life is what it is changeable and the whole history of ukraine shows that if you do something on the orders of someone, commit crimes, you can at some stage

answer for it simply, and everyone should think, well, this is a bad story, about the security service, there is a good story, but after all, well experience... i say that most of the officers there are engaged in destroying russian invaders, and not spying on girls, and everyone understands everything, it seems to me that it would be desirable for the president to look at this situation in such a way that all those who want to lick one place, but in fact they set it up, they impeach the president, because he has, he is responsible for everything, well, in our country , it is arranged like this, it is put, if... it is not put, because if this will continue, or will be lowered to the right on the brakes, it questions such things as european integration, there, you know, there is already talk about this, about a free press, there is so much written in these europes, what is it, there is

an impression that you will not build hungary there, no hungary, no hungary, no fashion rorsec, well, in this situation, roman on... most importantly, if the president will not react, which means that he has nothing to say, well, in principle, there is nothing to say, because he understands who it is, if he reacts and there are some personnel changes not at the level of the head of the department, of these young people who trampled there for 30, on the level of the leadership of the sbu, i don't know, i think that such things just don't happen and such things simply... can't happen without coordination with the bank either, i don't believe it, but my experience shows that if , if already taken and such resources are used, it was definitely from of the highest offices, and here the question is that if he remains silent, it will be a

failure of president zelenskyi, because it is impossible to remain silent in this situation, because the sbu rushed to investigate this case of wiretapping and surveillance of journalists, albeit by themselves. they did it, now today the prosecutor general of ukraine kostin says, listen, well, let’s go to the sbi will now investigate, and they drag this case back and forth, although bigus was taken from the team, they were simply disbanded, i was simply impressed, i was impressed by this film by bigus, that’s why what's up bigus simply laid out the security service of ukraine, there is a security service of ukraine that fights , that performs special tasks, and there is a security service that the journalistic team simply took about... spread out on the shelves, this is simply incomprehensible to me, it does not fit in my head, you know, if i have nothing to add, i just want us to have some kind of differentiation, if there is no next meeting for the security service, then there should be

evidence, confirmation that this is for combat units, but you know, it's simple ... and the situation it is so absurd, and what surprises me the most is the professional, professional level of the people who did it, who it is, who ordered it all, and that person, here's the question, here's me, who gave the order, this crap they filmed, that there is someone sniffing something there or, or so on, who gave... the command to make it all public, just if you give an answer, who is some general, was it, i don't know, is it the president's office, a person who gave the command to make it public, she is not professional, and such people have no

business in power, because you know, first of all, the journalists were never there, never positioned themselves as a standard of some... but some kind of behavior there, but as a matter of fact, someone there, i don't even remember, sniffs or smokes or so on, they also burned the methods of the special service. well, and so on, well, it’s strange , let’s do it again, it’s a little rude, but it’s called, in front of everyone, those who ordered all this and made decisions, they just ate shit and continue to eat it and smear the president with it , if the president, who invented it, the idea was to discredit the people who conduct it investigation. well, this all speaks to itself not only about the sbu, about the part that

should deal with national security and all issues related to this, some kind of administration, i heard that there is, i also once had certain stories about connected with the security service of ukraine, maybe one day i will write about it in my memoirs, back in 1997, when i talked with pavlo lazarenko, you came to me. officers of the sbu came and offered to share information and impressions about what i think and how pavlo lazarenko behaved, and they found me on my home phone, well , this is a whole detective story from the security service of ukraine. but in this situation , we are talking about a state, a state that is at war, a state that wants to join the european union, a state that wants help from the united states of america, we just heard that biden, biden is not against it. this, but it turns out that you can always say everything to this: listen, well,

it is not at all clear what is happening there, journalists, this is a marker for all european and western democracies, this is a marker of what is happening to journalists if they come to one journalist , they mobilize yura nikalov to his house in his handcuffs, they run around and watch portnikov , by the way, there was also surveillance, he found... a voice recorder with a number, and with the inventory number of the security service of ukraine, somewhere under his bed , he, he says, guys , come, pick up your device, because the number, you are financially responsible for it, and no one, not even sportnikov , explained anything at all about what happened, that is , whose dictaphone was it, who recorded what there, not clear either no, i asked vitaly, he said that the dictaphone was taken away, so... what about the material values, because it was all bought with our money, with our state money, that is, with our money, everything is in place,

everything is accounted for. regarding nikolov , as far as i understood, i asked those who do not understand how such decisions are made, this is the same department, what do they understand, the biggest mistake of people who try to protect the rating of the president in this way, and this oh... these are the actions, the result will not only be negative, it will be terrible, well, this is an obvious thing, the only nuance here is that the problem is not only in the rating of the head of state, although we have already been told that he is not going to, well, in the sense, it seems to us, after all, it is more to avdiivka than than before the elections, the question is... what are these things, we see what discussions are going on in the states,

yes, to give money, not to give, well, of course, they have their own cinema there, but in this american cinema there can be used such a thing that this is not a democracy, that there is pressure on the independent press and so on on and on and on, and it will be used to keep this entire state without support. i still hope that other levers here, other arguments will take the thief, which is what biden actually said, but this is a story about them replacing the leadership with such inept things, as for the industrious, as for this, why i put here, well two cases are the same for the reason that, so far, no one has explained why they want to vacate the hall. apart from the fact that he has a high rating, usually with such things it is necessary to use it on the contrary, especially during

war, because trust is not the most important complaint, and it can lead to negative results, and i also want to say that we are not talking about elections, but they will happen, they will happen anyway there will be, and this part should not be forgotten, thank you, thank you. roman, hello! thank you for the conversation, it was roman symbalyuk, my colleague, journalist, friends, we are working live on the tv channel, also on our youtube and facebook platforms, and we are conducting a trust survey today, will they trust? you are the security service of ukraine, please vote, it is important for us to know your opinion. next, we will be in touch with mykhailo prytula, a reserve sbu colonel, an expert in military counterintelligence. mr. colonel, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. colonel, we are witnessing the unfolding of this

bigus gate, i would call it that. bigus gate. 30 people followed the bigus. let's hear what bigus thinks about it, because i think you've already seen the movie, we'll just show our viewers a little the fragment that de den said, denis , please, the very fact of this surveillance, the very fact of these cameras in the bedrooms is a transition to a fundamentally new level, the level of rotten russian tradition, and if in order for the next 10 years not to be similar... a public reaction is needed, or for the national police, which also opened an investigation, to arrest the entire dzndu department , or even to buy a jacket for the capitol, this should be done, because nothing threatens the national statehood of ukraine more than rotten russian traditions. mr.

colonel, denis said that these are new technologies, it seems to me that they are... not new, well, it seems so to me, but what do you say about this biguzgate, how could the sbu allow that a team of investigators took and laid out an entire department simply on the shelves? you know, my great-grandfather was shot for a bad, bad joke about stalin, the same article that the representatives of the fifth department of the kgb in the ssr used to make. this is anti-soviet agitation and propaganda, and now we see that their descendants are doing the same, but they are doing it extremely unprofessionally, what is bad is, well, the highest degree of unprofessionalism, let's approach this situation from the other side, which was not approached by bius, imagine

that a ukrainian yard, a ukrainian village has settled in this over there. sabotage and intelligence group of the enemy or an appointed meeting of intelligence officers and these people were instructed to carry out eavesdropping and operational measures against real enemies, real intelligence agents, real sabotage and intelligence. imagined, right? here is this group of people, they will be counted out and destroyed by the enemy. well, for half an hour, just on the spot, that's what can be said about all this situation, i.e. they should not have the job of journalists, but they should be ready to work with real spies, real

scouts, real subversive and intelligence groups, and here the question is, how will they... accomplish this task then , why does the state pay them money? hey people, man, what kind of opera is there, this ihor, who filmed video cameras on houses, who taught him, where, when? that is, this is not only a question of monitoring journalists, it is a question of unprofessionalism of this unit, absolute unprofessionalism, and of course, the use of budget funds, how to pay , er,... all this and so on, this is a question that also needs to be raised, who paid for this banquet, or was it cash, then the question is who the customer is, and whether from which article these funds were withdrawn, or were they budget funds, and this is also a question, then there is another question, who authorized, these are professional questions, who

authorized the holding of this event, semenchenko here is only... the signature of the top management could be authorized by at least one of the vice-chairmen of the security services of ukraine, one of who, well, this, this should already be sorted out, but these documents, they are completely secret with sin, that is , it will not happen that easily, it should be created an investigative commission on this situation in the verkhovna rada. a temporary investigative commission, which should include deputies who have access to completely secret information, they should see who exactly is from the deputy chairman. authorized this special operation, excuse me, but semenchenko, this is a postman, this is an arrow in its purest form, in this case he is simply

handed over documents and nothing more , that is, the structure of the security service, that is why, friends, this situation is extremely, extremely tough, not only because bigus was being followed, but also because... the funds that were supposed to go to professional counter-intelligence agents are used for this circus, they are clowns who acted extremely unprofessionally, of course you can blame it on their low salary, when of course they never had the opportunity to visit such establishments, such recreation centers, they do not know how everything is there arranged and come and they look like in a zoo, where they got into, that is, that is, a question of absolute unprofessionalism and absolutely incorrect

use of budget funds. mr. colonel, in this situation it is clear that the head of the department is a sharpshooter, the kid is called to the verkhovna rada of ukraine to report there, the temporary investigative commission can also be a deputy one in my memory, not a single temporary investigator in 30 years. the mission did not give any results, please excuse me , because i was a witness to it all, sorry, a temporary investigative commission is needed in order for deputies, people's deputies , to have the opportunity to review secret, completely secret, that is, to have access, of course , yes, and who, who should be responsible for, well, for this disgrace, which, which we are witnessing, which we are now, well i don't know, there should be... and the one who initiated the operational investigative case, or whatever it is called now, that is, it was carried out,

accordingly, there was a court order, there was definitely a court order, otherwise they would not have worked, they know the articles too well, they were operatives who wrote documents which received a court order, which is in the order that they wrote there. how they fabricated it there, all this must be checked , and checked quite thoroughly, and the technicians here have nothing to do with it, so to speak, they have done their work, they are brought, they do it and leave, but all this had to be ensured by the operation, that they ensured that they write, and in the end it's their fault, because they did something quite unprofessionally, then who sanctioned it? the issue is quite serious, that is , it is a sanction of a rather large level, someone signed the submission to the court, only the judge

examines the materials given to him, and if it says what is happening, for example, there is espionage, treason, something else, then the judge cannot help but give a sanction for the conduct of secret investigative actions, accordingly they were conducted, and that is the whole complex - this is a very, well, serious thing and... to use this , well, simply, let's put it this way, such a tool as the security service of ukraine to work on journalists, just because they are not inconvenient for someone, is, well, it is very similar to that the situation with the murder of gongats. unfortunately, history does not teach anyone or anything. well, that is, we are, i hope that after all ... we are going to get answers, we will wait for these answers, the time is a little different, and what about gongadze, we do not all know the answers to the questions that exist after his murder, but that's all after all, we will wait for

the answers of those people who will have access to secret documents and will find out who actually authorized this special operation. mr. colonel, thank you for the conversation, it was the sbu colonel in reserve, mykhailo prytula, and we continue. our conversation, there are discounts for couples sat 20% in the pharmacies of plantain for you and ochad, there are discounts on quiet soothing 10% in the pharmacies of psanyan bam and ochad, there are discounts on perfectil original 15% in the pharmacies of psanyan bam and ochad. separate consents of the sapsan unmanned aircraft complexes of the state special service of transport. he appeals to the viewers

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broadcast 0800-211-381, if you trust the sbu, no, 0800-211-382, no, all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. people's deputies of ukraine are visiting us today, this is yevgenia kravchuk from the servant of the people. mrs. yevgenia, i congratulate you. good evening. oleksiy goncharenko from european solidarity. mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you. and more one oleksii, oleksii, kuchurenko. from the homeland, so you, mrs. yevgenia, between the two oleksiis, you can make a wish, and you will get rich, yes, let's, let 's start with a blitz poll, because we are asking about trust in the sbu in connection with the scandal that is currently raging with gate, you can call it that, eavesdropping, surveillance of journalists, do you, ladies and gentlemen, trust the sbu, mr. oleksiy, i trust the sbu,

which... and attacks the crimean bridge, i do not trust the sbu, which eavesdrops on political opponents of the authorities and journalists , unfortunately, we also have such a thing sbu, and such sbu. these are the realities, and of course , it is very sad that at a time when some officers of the sbu, a large part of them, they are greatly respected for this, protect the homeland, risk their lives, others carry out criminal orders and engage in activities that are unacceptable in any normal country things thank you, mr. oleksiy, ms. yevgenia, i trust the affairs of the security service of ukraine and those matters that, well, they definitely need to be taken into account , and for the work that, for which we need to thank, and definitely since february 24, especially, a lot of things that officers, employees sbu did and do, and by the way, the same

department that we... forge not without reason and really.