yulia laputina, the minister of veterans affairs , that is, she has already written a resignation letter, but obviously this is a large-scale reboot, probably this is not all, i understand correctly, well , when there will be official or decrees, obviously, then the concept itself can be discussed, but it is so obvious that this will be some sort of comprehensive decision, not point changes, but regarding the cabinet of ministers, really... well , we will vote on this resignation soon and it is obvious that there will be an acting minister in the ministry for the time being, and it was would be good to well, there were such broad discussions as to who should head the ministry of veterans, because it is a very, well, let's say it like this, a position that, uh, obviously , it should be a person with veteran experience, but a good manager, because uh... it's a very

complex issue, and unfortunately, so far the ministry of veterans has not fully managed the functions that everyone expected from them, but there should be just such a normal management team, and regarding certain decisions of the president of ukraine, he has the right to do so according to the constitution, and it is obvious that it is exactly his responsibility in this, but... not some discussion, i don't know there on facebook, polls in telegram channels and so on, these are his constitutional powers and it is obvious that the explanation will also be public with some logic of these changes. by the way, today's decree is very important, if possible, i'll just stop at it, because in parallel , the decree of the president of ukraine on the creation of such a new direction has already officially been issued in the... in

the armed forces, it's drones, it's important to me decision, it's a very important decision, but obviously drones, too they will be led by the new head of the armed forces of ukraine, but i have not received an answer from volodymyr zelenskyi, whether this rotation will happen or not, and what he is not satisfied with, but i, as a citizen, do not know what to think at all, because 10 ... we have some kind of information washing machine, then some telegram channels write about it, then it appears in the public space, apparently such a conversation took place on january 29 between zaluzhny and zelenskyi, and mr. oleksiy, you wrote about the fact that such a decree already signed, obviously he was already ready this one decree, apparently they told zaluzhny, sorry, i didn't write about the decree, i wrote about the fact that zelensky asked zaluzhny to write a statement, that's right. i am sure of this information and

it has already been confirmed many times , that is, it cannot be the case that many public people who care about their reputation simply took and spun this topic, a non-existent conflict or a non-existent conversation, which did not happen, obviously, i am today spoke with roman tsabalyuk on the air as a journalist, he also wrote about it, then took his post, mr. oleksiy, how to explain at all what is happening with... personnel, military personnel during the war with the head of the armed forces of ukraine, i.e. why can't it be simply explained that this commander-in-chief has fulfilled his mission, we thank him, will oleksandr syrskyi be next there or general budanov or someone there , someone else, or is it testing the audience of society there, and how will society react if society is against it, well, maybe...

they put it in vain, look, well, the first thing is to cross the bridge, by the way, from our the past topic, do you remember that at the beginning of december there was information that listening devices were found in zaluzhny's office, this is information, not in the office, in one of the rooms where he sleeps, in which one of the rooms, well but we were talking about the hard worker, about the head commissar and the fact that, accordingly , his apparatus and team were contacted there, and accordingly a criminal case was opened. proceedings, we do not know who set up, well, this is a very serious question, if it was russian agents who wiretapped some room in which the commander-in-chief could work there, well, we can imagine the consequences of this, yes, and if it is not russian agents, then who, and then, and why and what, and why we do not know about any results, this is about, by the way, to talk about eavesdropping and so on, i think, and here you and i understand that in fact it is again... there was the sbu, which, therefore, had some

goals of its own in wiretapping, and now regarding the issue of zaluzhny, i think , that everything that is happening now around zaluzhnyi... is precisely the wrong development events, well, first of all, if nothing had happened, then zelenskyi zaluzhny would have come out together a long time ago, at any video appeal, they meet and say: listen, guys, everything is fine with us, we are working, and everyone we said: thank god, well, it is not so, and therefore i am absolutely sure that zelensky suggested that zaluzhny write a resignation letter, i know it, i am absolutely sure of this, of this information, i understand that... the scenario was as follows , that the applicant will write a statement, and then they would say: well, listen, two years a full-scale invasion, well, all living people, i was very tired, i wrote a statement , well, i can’t help but let him go, but that’s why everything, but everything didn’t go according to this scenario, the person involved refused to write this

statement, then, well, write it already a decree without a statement from a zaluzhnoye, well, this is definitely a conflict story, and it must be explained to society, zaluzhnoye is popular. in ukrainian society, is very popular, so it must be explained, does the president have the constitutional right to do this? absolutely, according to the constitution, he has the right to do so to do , but there will obviously be questions in society, and zelensky likes to be applauded for his decision, not when he is whistled, and this is based on the reaction of social networks and everything, well , it is clear that there is definitely no applause here, and that is why everything has been delayed, however, in my opinion , this is a very wrong development. the best option: they find a common language, come to an agreement, sit down, talk there man to man, go out and say: everything, turned the page, we continue to work, fight together, this is what i would really like to see and close this topic, if zelenskyy is there, well, he doesn’t want to work more with zaluzhny

, that’s his right, well, then come out with these decisions, well, well, well, well, well, if you can’t review it, for you everything is resolved, because the scenario when the hard-working commander-in-chief of the armed forces during the war... has been suspended for more than a week, he is suspended, and with one foot on the way out, well, this is wrong , it shouldn't be like that, it's not only about him , it's about and about the chief of the general staff, and about the deputy chief of staff, and it can't be like that, these people military operations are planned every day, on which the lives, just physically , of thousands of people depend, and these people should not be in such conditions, so this is... the worst-case scenario, and the last one, don't forget this, this has become one of the main news reasons, it is not only said, you say our journalists, it is written by the washington post, new york times, times, politics and so on, the whole world is talking about it, and if someone thinks that it

adds something to us , especially in conditions where there is no package of a decision from the us that it is somehow demonstrative unity, thank you mr. gonzharenko, mr. kucherenko, please, thank you for your permission, because i for the second time in a row of your transmission , i did not have time to say the final word, i think that this is a mistake. by the way, i don't want to appear boring, so i'm addressing my colleagues and all tv viewers, i've reviewed the law on the security service 10 times, which is posted on the website of the verkhovna rada and on the website of the security service of ukraine. there in this law, article 13, still written, the head of the security service is appointed to the position and dismissed from the position of the president. of ukraine, indeed, in december 2019, you and i adopted the changes, but they were not reflected on the website of the verkhovna rada. i'm shocked, to be honest. it is so. it. and now the second. i do not want to further comment on the situation with the zaluzhn. it is clear that meticulous attention is paid to her. i

know a lot, but i don't even want to go beyond the framework of the formal system, which mr. oleksiy was talking about. this is an absolute sphere of competence, authority and responsibility. supreme commander-in-chief of the president of ukraine, personnel decisions must be prepared for a long time, but to accept and implement very quickly, this is unacceptable, especially under the conditions, under the conditions of wartime, and no matter what, i do not want to discuss what victories there are, the achievements of commander-in-chief zaushnyi, and in any case, i believe that this is a procedure false, it does not bring anything good for... society now. and the last one is very fast. i am quoting this thesis about the need for radical changes in the country's leadership: president zelensky on sunday said something on the air of italian television, but not ours. but it was about necessity

very significant changes in the leadership of the country. and i just ask myself and colleagues questions. so, who are our country's leaders? tell me, please, if i'm sorry, minister, minister, how is he there, veterans, well, well, agree, this, we, we're not talking about that, today, i understand that the military'. the poor president has something in mind and he can't implement it, but first of all, or secondly, i'm just as concerned about what we have with the government, with the economy, with the most painful issues, everything is fine with us, there's no need nothing to change, that's what i want to hear from the country's leadership, and again i ask the question, who is our country's leadership? thank you, mrs. yevgenia, you can answer in a minute, because i heard about five or six managers, that this is... the state leadership, maybe there are a little more, well, colleagues, this is a discussion not for

one minute, but for another half an hour, but you know, what i would like is for us to react less emotionally to everything we read on the internet, especially if it is some anonymous sources, because believe me, this year there will be very big challenges for ukraine, there will be a lot of russians to shake the situation, so let's go... because we won't get angry with each other, but we will help each other. come on, come on, it's true, thank you, thank you, we have to finish the conversation, evgenia kravchuk, oleksiy goncharenko, oleksiy kucharenko, thank you for participating in the program, it was extremely interesting to talk with you. friends, during our program we conducted a survey, we asked you about the following: do you trust the security service of ukraine, 19%, yes, 81, no, it is on tv, now i am watching according to... according to the results that we have in youtube 20% yes, 80

- no. these are the results of today's poll, it was the verdict on serhiy rudenko program. i wish you all the best, take care of yourself and your loved ones, see you at 20:00 tomorrow. good evening, we are from ukraine. operation цтдл, what exactly did the armed forces of ukraine blow up in the black sea, will trump approve aid to ukraine in the united states of america and put pressure on his deputies? well, maryana bezugla was excluded from the faction, the servant of the people party. how will the political career develop, haters general zaluzhnyi, well, the president's office also explained why zaluzhnyi can be removed, but that will be another matter. talk today for the next hour and 46 minutes, well , we will start with the announcement of the fundraiser

. the espresso tv channel and the iryna koval charitable foundation are calling to join the fundraiser for our defenders from the 141st brigade. they perform tasks on the complex orichiv direction. this is the zaporizhzhia region. infantry and aerial reconnaissance require high-quality and often expensive equipment to successfully perform combat missions. we are planning buy radios and batteries for them. sterling, binoculars, rangefinders, binoculars, detectors. detection of drones and many other equally important things at the front, every hryvnia is important and thanks to you we have already closed more than one collection, we will close this one too, so we ask you to support our military, all funds will be transferred to those people who will purchase everything necessary, and we must we will definitely show it to you, our soldiers will definitely report about it. we ask you to join iryna kovel's gathering for the needs of the 141st brigade, we really need yours help. well, let's do

it as soon as possible, and we will start a conversation with oleksiy holobutsky, a political technologist, mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you, i wanted to start with something else, before the very issue there was news about the expulsion of the servant of the people maryana from the party in short, if possible, she herself asked to be expelled, ms. shulyak granted her request, but she said that it would not affect her work in the verkhovna rada, she would not fill the mandate, they parted ways... for the good of the people, as you can see, the career will fade away is politically ruthless, or will she continue to work, who cares? well, it's hard to say, because i don't know how ambitious she is, but it's clear that she was given the green light for her activities during the last six months, yes to the maximum, she really became known to the general public, that before she was mainly well... well, we knew her statements there activity, but that 's all for a narrow circle, then the last six months of her

mastery, if you can say so, to the diligent and everything else, it naturally led to another level, and if we now list the brightest personalities, the most famous servants of the people, then she is somewhere in the top three, in the top five, right? the connection has disappeared, in my opinion, we will now try to contact our studio with mr. oleksiy again, because we want everything. to hear everything, well, actually, that maryana said bluntly that she was not comfortable there with a lot of people's rumors, she talked about her disagreements, you know, in ukrainian politics somehow you don't even want to write off anyone ahead of time, because that's how you can wave your hand and think and that's all, maybe that's not all, ukrainian politics is rich in peculiar characters who seem to disappear

, then appear, then achieve great positions and influence many events, so for now, ladies... there will be no servant of the people from ugla, but in any case - in any case , we perfectly understand that the servant of the people project will also probably be rebooted, as many want to reboot in the president's office, and the new entity that will be created, obviously, with or without the participation of investors, first of all and technologists, servants of the people, can be sheltered or taken even in the top three leaders is the same maryana bezuhla, in ukrainian politics, unfortunately, everything is not foreseen, the war pushed this politics into the background a little, but as we can see, politics in... still tries to climb to the forefront and cover up not only the war itself, but also the generals, well, now we will be in touch again, i will tell you what we will talk about, after the statement of volodymyr zelenskyi, during the interview he gave to the italian tv company raya-1 , where he said that this is how we are preparing to restart the government, we want to change the leaders of the country,

well, people, as far as i understand, translating the president's words into a text close to legislation. people who are responsible for certain directions, so let me remind you that we have four branches of government, the president, that is the executive branch, the legislative branch, the judicial branch, well, they also call journalists the fourth branch, so i say four branches, actually three branches there is power in ukraine, well, apparently, the heads of certain departments, certain directions are planning to change, and today they have already started, after the president of ukraine volodymyr said about it zelenskyi, people from the president's office and the cabinet of ministers of ukraine started talking about it, they explain that there is nothing wrong with the change. there is no download, although again we do not understand how large-scale this reboot should be , the military-political leadership of the state, if we are talking about the leaders of the country, well, relatively speaking, general zaluzhny does not lead the country, he leads the armed forces of ukraine, this is part states, yes, well, again, a country and a state are different things, a country is a territory, a state is a certain system, yes, which works, that's why we say obviously about the leaders of the state, yes, because it's very difficult

for the conditional denys shmyhal to manage some old woman's branch from near rivne, so why should he manage the forests in volyn, that's why... again, a country is a territory , the state is a certain system, yes, which one operates, a system of power, a system of vertical and horizontal connections, so, well, probably the president meant the heads of the state, so it is very, very interesting to understand, again, general zaluzhna, whom you now see on the screen, it is difficult to say that he is the head of the state, he is again the head of the armed forces of ukraine, which conducts work on the protection of the territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence of the state and on exile. from the territory of our state at the front, this is, well, we can obviously say that he is one of the top leaders today, because today is a war, well, but here dmytro koleba said that he is responsible for foreign policy, well, his own sphere, his front work, and he says that the power reset will not

affect relations with the west, says the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro kuleba , that is, after the president's statement, there is an impression that... members of his team, well, because it is globally his team and the cabinet of ministers, yes, because this cabinet of ministers is appointed by his majority in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, so is the office the president, these five or six managers that the president spoke about are other politicians who can make certain statements, such as dmytro kuleba, who immediately received a kind of indulgence from the president, also begins to is to talk, because it was not talked about before , zaluzhny’s resignation, everyone is thinking how, when, for what, why, who will replace him, it will have an effect, but there was silence, anonymous telegram channels, well, private individuals who have their telegram channels, expressed certain opinions, yes, so again, these are private individuals, that is, their opinion is interesting, but at the level of a private person, well , everyone has already spoken here, because the president was the first to say that this is how the reboot is planned, and but mr. koleba says that the power reset will not affect

relations with the west, that is, we can change someone here, oleksiy holobutsky returns. mr. oleksiy, congratulations once again, let's continue, then, well, by the way, i understand that we have already finished, we will see where the curve of her career destiny will turn, but statements began to appear about the reboot of the government , i prosecuted dmytro kuleb and mykhailo podolyak also made his statement from the president's office, that is , the decision has been made, work with the population begins or something, well, of course, it is necessary, so to speak, so that it does not look like just... without any content, yes, well, to put it roughly, they changed the ministers there, which even i am a specialist, i don't know the surnames and many of them. the functionality of the cabinet of ministers has been greatly reduced, and its political participation, to which we are accustomed, having been

in the parliamentary-presidential coordinate system for some time, is no longer there, it has been absent since the 19th year, but at first a full-scale war, it has already become an axiom that the cabinet of ministers is, let's say, a structure that is the third, fourth in decision-making, in order for it to look very serious, we need some new faces, new promotion, some directions, the president has already clearly said, yes, new challenges, new circumstances, new people are needed, well, let's see what , what is meant here, it is very interesting, very interesting , well, well, when i said that the reset of the power on... will not affect relations with the west, it sounds so global, the reset of the power, which power, executive, judicial , legislative, only exclusively about the cabinet of ministers, well, what else,

it is impossible to reset the presidency , it is impossible to reset the parliament, i simply do not even see why , for example, replace stefanchuk there, for example , if there are some personnel problems there, well , no, i don’t see any sense, yes, but to completely reset the parliament, it is impossible, there is only the cabinet of ministers, well, actually , well, obviously, obviously the military leadership, that is, general luzhnyi, it is clear, it is clear, this is it, so to speak, it will go in a set, judging by everything, it already expands this topic for discussion, a field for discussion, mykhailo podolyak, adviser to the head of the president's office, he says that the purpose, why it would be possible, for example, to talk about replacing the stalwart in the post of commander-in-chief. of the armed forces of ukraine, in order to avoid stagnation and freezing of the conflict, well, he goes on to say that it has been two years of war, people are tired, it is necessary to pay attention to the psycho-emotional state of society, partners are also getting tired, although

again, partners, so macron says, we are ready to give the most modern weapons to ukraine, borel comes and says, we will not sell munitions to someone else, we will only work for ukraine, scholz is ramping up factories there, building, that is, i do not think that europe is tired, in my opinion, on the contrary, it has understood how important this war is and how important it is to help ukraine, but this is stagnation and freezing conflict how to translate the words of the faraway in simple words: we don't have positive news, let's change it diligently, well yes, well, how to perceive, perceive that we want some successes at the front , there are no such successes at the moment, we need to change something, here they propose to change commander-in-chief, you see, there is logic here, if you don't include the political context, you hear me, do you? i hear it this way, if, if we do not include the political context, then in principle the situation is quite ordinary, if we really do not enter into this

coordinate system in which someone is fighting for the future presidency or in some such perspective, he is the commander-in-chief, he is subordinate to the supreme commander-in-chief, the supreme commander-in-chief does not want to see him in this position, and he has all the opportunities and rights to to do, and they probably would... if zaluzha was not so popular in ukraine, they would have done it a long time ago, but they take into account that it might be, well, let's say that the resignation of zaluzha, and not yet, it is not known with what replacement, yes, well, who, who will come to his position, yes, this can severely affect the trust rating of the entire government, in general, that is why they are not pulling, i don’t know, maybe they are waiting for the surrender of avdiivka, as some write here, yes , maybe there are some other events, but... but the fact is that it is not difficult to imagine the situation, when it is already practical everyone articulated the moment that zelenskyi is dissatisfied with the job, the reasons no longer

matter, most likely, this resignation is not happening either, well, i don’t think they will drag it out for long, although, again, it is possible that the west can to press , after all, it can somehow, so it is possible that sociology will not be very good for... zelenskyi and for the office of the president, and they will still be forced to draw conclusions from it, well, in general, this topic, why is it thrown into in the press constantly, so with resignation, it is necessary to see how much there will be a reaction to how unpopular or popular this decision will be, so far it looks like it is an extremely unpopular decision, but i will repeat once again, zelensky must do something about this, because he is in the eyes of the west, and in the eyes of his citizens, and in the eyes of his... environment , well, it looks, well, probably not, well, i will repeat it once again, it is his full prerogative, full right to remove, but it is necessary, it is necessary to make decisions and then finally be responsible for them.

thank you very much, mr. oleksiy, that... indeed , the situation at the front is not easy here and there are no guarantees, that the replacement of the veteran will give positive results from the front, and if they are negative, or there will be even more threats to ukrainians for ukraine, ukrainians, well , of course, you can't blame anyone here, you yourself, if you wanted, are responsible, and responsibility, unfortunately, we have certain persons avoid, i won't say afraid, avoid, well actually, do they avoid responsibility, or do it on purpose, but in the united states of america the battle for money is again unfolding? and for ukraine , 60 billion is also about them, whether they can trump to slow down the decision consciously or for the sake of political ambitions, we will talk about this now with igor eisenberg, he is a professor at new york university, mr. igor, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, mr. vasyl, i congratulate all the viewers, well, i will immediately say about that joe biden is appealing to congress to pass a bill to strengthen security on the border between the united states and mexico and

to provide a ... next to the live broadcast joseph biden's address, he already asked, well yes, he already said, i'm not saying asked, he already said, in your opinion, what are the chances that johnson in a tie with trump will slow down, and what are the weights of influencing this situation, how can everything to push through the congress, this is an important decision for ukraine, i, unfortunately, since yesterday evening... that the chances have become less than i hoped, at least until yesterday evening, why? because two events happened, last night us time, trump gave an interview to the newsmax tv channel, well, so and so far-right propaganda tv channel, where he categorically spoke against this bill, that it is bad, that it is that the democrats came up with this bill, that it is a trap they have created for the republicans, he

called ... not to approve the bill, moreover, he hinted that republican senator lankfort, who was the main negotiator, the negotiator from the republican side, when the bill was being prepared, that he, it will have a bad effect on his political future, that is, trump hinted that he would nominate someone in the primaries, when he will be re-elected against him, well, and the second event, this is from... this happened yesterday, the meeting of the republican faction in the senate was closed and all the media were informed late yesterday evening, referring to some senators who participated in this, that senate republican leader mccone said that the bill should not be supported unless the democrats allow it to be ... further

amended, that is, he actually, although he did not say that he should vote against it, but he did not come across very transparently, what, what not it is desirable to support this bill, there will be a vote in the senate on wednesday, and there should be several votes there on any bill, but the first vote, to be considered, you need to get 60 votes, what is known at ... at the moment that there are three democratic senators who do not want to vote for this bill, but not because of aid to ukraine, there are three democrats with more left-wing views, say senator sanders, he opposes unconditional aid to israel, and there is also senator padilla and the same senator sanders, who do not like the concessions that the democrats made in the plan. immigration

legislation, and so we have 48 democrats who are going to vote in favor of this bill, in order for it to be considered, there must then be at least 12 republicans out of the 49 who support it, whether those votes will be there or not is hard to say , i was of the opinion that if the senate voted for this bill. bill, it will have an impact, at least on moderate republicans in the house of representatives, in the house of representatives there is an item of the regulation that allows, in principle, to put a bill on the agenda bypassing the speaker, even if the speaker does not want to consider it, you can collect 218 signatures and then for...