to investigate the sbu, the press service of the office of the prosecutor general of ukraine reported on such a decision the day after the publication of the investigation by the bigusinfo team itself, in which the journalists established that they were being monitored by sbu employees, in particular employees of the department of protection of national statehood, and here is the statement of prosecutor general andrii kostin. violations of journalists' rights are unacceptable and subject to careful consideration and appropriate reactions. the prosecutor's office has an obligation to guarantee the protection of journalists from any form of pressure. and persecution, and journalists to receive information about this work. the head of the security service of ukraine, vasyl malyuk, commented on the involvement in the monitoring of journalists of the bihusinfo project and the employees of its department. he called the actions unacceptable and said they led to a series of personnel decisions. malyuk, malyuk reminded that earlier, at his request, the president dismissed roman semenchenko, the head of the sbu's national statehood protection department, but did not specify whether this was the only dismissal. unfortunately, taking measures

to combat organized drug crime led not only to receiving information about the involvement of one of the editor's cameramen in the distribution of narcotic substances, but also to the public distribution of video materials. he drew the audience's attention to the fact that this quote by mr. malyuk does not refer to illegal surveillance of journalists or pressure on freedom of speech. he repeats the previously published statement of the sbu that the surveillance allegedly took place as part of an investigation into drug crimes. the day before , deputy of the voice yaroslav zheleznyak announced that the verkhovna rada supported him a proposal to summon the head of the sbu for a report on the surveillance of bigusinfo journalists. 159 parliamentarians voted for this decision. chairman of the committee for freedom of speech, yaroslav yurchyshyn, speaking at the council, suggested that the sbu conduct an internal investigation with the suspension of the alleged perpetrators from work for the duration of the investigation. i will remind you that journalists of business-info stated that they identified you. who watched over the editorial office

in the hotel complex in the kyiv region at the end of december 23rd, according to the journalistic investigation, these were employees of the service security of ukraine, more than 30 sbu employees could have been involved in the operation. already during the filming of his investigation, the founder of the project, denys bigus, found holes in the rooms where his team lived, in which surveillance cameras were probably hidden under clothes hangers. on our broadcast, the deputy editor-in-chief of bihusinfo, alisa yurchenko , told. that the surveillance of the team of journalists continued, the journalists recorded unknown persons near their office, as well as cars with fake number plates even a few days before the publication of their investigation. vasyl vovk, an expert on state security, major general of the sbu, joins our broadcast. welcome to our broadcast, thank you for joining. greetings, ms. kateryna, greetings to the viewers and listeners of radio svoboda. how do you like this story in general?

with the surveillance of bigus journalists, the security service of ukraine, is this really what you think the security service should be doing during a full-scale war? well, we heard, and you today, if you were to quote the opinions of the prosecutor general, the people's deputies, and mr. malyuk, would say that this is unacceptable, follow, track, record , and then... show the work of journalists, even if there are some immoral things in it, and there were such things, let's be honest, these are journalists, this is a well-known company, i mean it in a good way, this is a company that fights corruption, other troubles in our society, and we have to protect it, not follow it, if there are any troubles related to the use of narcotics or their distribution, it will be. but quietly make

and eliminate such, shall we say, moments, which can be in the activities of any group, any organization, that's why i'm for journalists, but i'm also against accusing all sbu employees in general of breaking the law, sometimes they perform tasks without knowing about whom these tasks, who they concern. what kind of structure, although, of course, all people are educated and should understand that this is a serious structure, that this is a well-known journalistic pool, and here it is necessary to think before doing something, here i can paraphrase a well-known saying that it is better to think about it and not do what to do, and then think, mr. vasyl, but if we talk about who can give the order for such surveillance, i am also in favor of... i would like to point out

that malyuk himself, he did not say anything about the surveillance of journalists, where he condemns it or not, it was about the sbu case again, and it seems like a pity that the video itself was leaked. yes, which one, which in principle forced the journalists to undertake this investigation, namely the surveillance itself, well, it could have been done by those who could have approved it at all and could, for example, the head of the sbu himself know about such a special operation? you know, well, such a special operation, it really is a special operation, a lot of people are involved, a serious division of the dznd, the mm administration is involved, there are people working there who are qualified and... professional specialists in their field, and you understand that such an operation is outside kyiv at a recreation center, where there are many people, this is a complex operation, it is an operation where not only people, forces and technical means will be involved in the first place,

so we are talking about the excesses of the performer, and about the fact that it was some kind of self-activity of some small managers. i would not, of course, the management could give this command the security services of the department, but the security services of ukraine, but it is not necessarily mr. malyuk, the chairman, there are responsible deputies who supervise this or that direction, and such an instruction could have come from them, i do not exclude that somewhere the head of the department wanted, well express yourself without thinking. again, if it was so, and he did it himself, but usually, this is usually the decision of the top management of the security service of ukraine, and here, well, no one will argue, who knows the structure, management system of the management in the special service, now it is officially known about

dismissal of the head of the dznd, roman semenchenko , is this enough, and the deputies want to hear mr. malyuk's report, so what... should be, what should be the actions of the sbu now, so that this does not happen again, so that society knows , who is behind this special operation? if there was an abuse of official authority, this question should be answered in two months by the investigators of the state bureau of investigation, who just yesterday received this case and immediately started the investigation, if there it all started... with information about the illegal transfer of narcotic drugs or other precursors and so on, that's one thing, but again, it does not give the right to continue the case regarding narcotic drugs by

abuse of official position and surveillance of journalists. i would not like to give the answer, although i have it, but she can watch for now. not quite evidently and substantiated, to the question, but how was it, who is to blame, how many people are to blame, of course, for the dismissal of one head of the department for the protection of national statehood and the fight against terrorism, as it is called in its entirety , should not be limited to this case, if it has really already been established that he is guilty of something, but i have a question again, why was the official investigation conducted so quickly? admitted his guilt and prepared a submission for his release, perhaps it is still necessary to wait. i understand that society, especially the journalistic community, demands that those who may have been involved be brought to justice as quickly as possible, but

again, who may have been involved, who acted deliberately. let's go to the employees the sbu, i do not defend the honor of mandir, also treats it with the appropriate respect, and when there is... indisputable evidence of their guilt, i myself will raise my hand for their release, and one more thing: dismissal from the post of head of the dznd, this does not mean dismissal from service , you understand, such cases happen, he may take another responsible position after a while, so it was more likely not a reaction to any violations by him, but a reaction to a public request, to a request from the journalistic community, to calm down a little... calm down public opinion and those moods that exist in the verkhovna rada are already ready to go on the attack to protect journalists, i also support them, but once again i call for moderation and a thorough study of the situation together with the department of state security,

i will note that even on at the beginning of this bigusinfo video investigation, denys bigus says that in the security service, he cannot speak publicly even there, but he... knows about the merits and role of the prominent security service during the war, and speaking from your experience, that this is a version from this special operation, that it is within the framework drug investigations, are they? a resource in general, it can involve 30 people, there are probably also, well, certain financial costs, the technical means that you mentioned, in order to actually follow the person who buys, for example, this, and not who distributes, that is, how effective is this practice, let's say so, and is this version believable, i, taking into account that you are calling me to your experience, i want to inform you and our dear viewers, listeners that before... unfortunately, it is not the case now, that's all , which concerned narcotics, there was, it was inadmissible

to interfere either in the investigation or in the judicial process. everyone got, i'm sorry, 8, 10, 12 years for drug trafficking, it was considered one of the most dangerous crimes, one of the most dangerous crimes in the country, and it was prosecuted with all the rigor of the law, i think that at ... today we all understand the danger distribution of narcotic drugs, so if the reason for carrying out work on journalists was information about distribution, trade, acquisition, movement, illegal narcotics, then this work could continue, but i emphasize once again, i said from the beginning of our conversation, but this does not mean that it was necessary to disclose data about some journalists, every. behave morally, somewhere they cannot stand

some kind of tension, etc., someone abuses alcohol, someone abuses light drugs, i will note that bihustinfo reacted immediately after this video, said that it was the operators, they were fired, at the same time from the public statements of the sbu and you can really see mr. malyuk himself that they are sorry for the deletion of this video, but denys bigos, by the way, hinted at the fact that the surveillance order. leave the president's office , if the sbu department carries out this order, is it possible that the head of the sbu does not know about it, and in general, what does the fact that someone in the president's office can order the sbu to monitor, for example, journalists, in general, what does this indicate? and how legitimate is it? do not think that i am defending vasyl vasylyovych malyuk, despite the fact that he is my double son-in-law, yes, but i will tell you again from my experience, there are many cases when heads of departments, deputy heads of services work directly with

one or another structure, with the general prosecutor's office, with other law enforcement agencies, including the office of the president, or previously it was the administration of the president and carry out instructions without becoming aware of their direct supervisor, although this is an exception that confirms the rule that usually the head of the structure knows about one or the other, well... i will say the order in quotes, because, well, the order can sometimes have a positive character, if received information from the president's office about some abuses, and they ask to verify this information, i don't see anything wrong here, but in this case, everything turned out very badly, they did not work professionally, if they already worked, if there was information about narcotics, it was necessary to work this information, but further... a leak of information, made, if, pschich, excuse me for such slang,

at work on narcotics, and a big scandal regarding the persecution of journalists, because what if it did not become known that what journalists were monitored , it would be, it would be more professional activity, of course, well , you will agree with me, and you wouldn't know, i didn't know, we were talking with you now about other things, about which, i hope, we will talk again, about another the topic, about other situations, and about... drugs would not be known, sorry, narcotics, because, unfortunately, we have many such cases now, and no one would talk about persecution, it would be a big plus for security services of ukraine, and i think that bigush info would also be satisfied with that worked, exposed people in their community who are abusing somewhere, and they released these people, they would quietly thank the service, drink tea, coffee... then let's wait for the conclusion, although you and i understand that for today, we

will receive the conclusion of the investigation, what was the order, i hope, as a journalist, that we will have answers to these questions, we will follow this story, thank you for joining, vasyl vovk, expert on state security, general, major of the sbu was a guest of svoboda ranok. the number of wounded in as a result in the second attack of the silf on kyiv, the number of casualties increased to nine . six people, including a pregnant woman, were hospitalized in a high-rise building that caught fire in the holosiivskyi district. under the rubble, where there is destruction, there may be casualties in the 18-story building. rescuers are evacuating people and extinguishing the fire, the ministry of internal affairs reports. in the dnipro district , two people were hospitalized, one more person was helped on the spot. 19,000 subscribers remained without electricity in the desnyan and dnipro districts. energy companies promise to renew power supply for 30 hours. i thank you for the fact that this ether was with us, it was like that, it was not easy. take care, have a nice day and see you on svoboda

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every day. this is the shipping district, kherson. turn on live. we are somewhere in the vicinity of bahmu. we tell you the main thing on weekdays at 9:00 a.m. on ispressa tv channel, i congratulate everyone who watches our telethon, right now 714 russian large-scale invasion of the day continues, it started quite fun in us with a large-scale missile attack, all regions of ukraine are hit everywhere, the entire geography from lviv to to to the region to... kharkivska, well, rostyslav pavlenko, people's deputy of ukraine, is already with us. mr. rostislav, good morning. good morning, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, how is kyiv after the attack? well, actually, anti-aircraft defense worked as always. now we are waiting for official announcements because it was loud. there were obviously some debris, so

we are waiting to be told officially what the results of another barbarian raid are. but in the same way... ukraine, you correctly say in the summary that, unfortunately, geography today again from lviv to kharkiv, from mykolaiv to kiev itself, and the rashists must bear responsibility for each of these crimes. another topic i would like you and i to discuss is the topic of actually, american aid, we're all watching what's going on in the us congress, and i agree with darius here. kyleniuk from the anti-corruption center, who was one of the first to warn that we might not get help even at the beginning of this year, this happened last fall, and i remember that then she was accused of almost inciting treason, this publicly everyone denied it, but i agree with her that it's time to have a grown-up conversation, and it's time to realize that

we're probably not going to get that help before the election. in the united states, this means, as daria koliniuk writes, that we need to think about plan b. we have repeatedly heard that we only have plan a, that if there is no help, ukraine will end, we do not know what to do, we there is no other plan, it cannot be, if it is communication to the outside, okay, if it is a comment, including for internal communication, it's not okay if you don't know what to do, let people do it who know what to do. so, what to do if there is no help, and is it time for an actual grown-up conversation, and what should it be about? well, look, it seems to me that the time for a grown-up conversation has come a long time ago, actually. not only that, and not even how many politicians talk about the need to form a government of national unity or even, apparently, a government of national salvation, which is precisely regardless

of the ratings, regardless of what is there whether the banks like it or the political forces like it, they could do what is necessary , prioritize budget expenditures, well , the marathon is definitely unnecessary, the expenses for a whole series of law enforcement and inspection structures are definitely unnecessary, especially in conditions when uh... business needs to create all possible options for him to continue living, paying taxes and paying salaries, therefore , the work of the government should be devoted to these issues now, and if they do not know how, then the truth is, let them give way to those who know how, because by the way, for receiving foreign aid , it would be very effective now if the ukrainians themselves set up work with internal reserves in such a way as to show that approaches have changed here, and... the president promises us some new stages, new courses and so on, so here is the content of the new stage and the new course should be precisely in an adult approach, that there is an understanding

of what to do with the funds that are in ukraine, there is a very strict understanding of priorities, that now defense is first, viability first and life support, well already then everything the rest, and in this way our allies could be supported and spared. skeptics and opponents say that it is not clear where it is spent, look at how they themselves live, but ukraine can and should show that it works effectively and that we really need help, because we have already used everything that we have inside , in relation to this story with the surveillance of journalists, in big info, it's actually almost a story that echoes watergate, the infamous scandal that cost... nixon the president of the united states, he had to go, however, it seems to me that the situation is much worse, because there they were monitoring the election

headquarters of the opponents in order to find some advantages, and to find advantages during the presidential race, here the story is completely different, here they are monitoring the opposition, as far as we understand, now they were collecting compromising material on journalists, with the aim of later calling them to the office and telling them that we have compromising material, you will reveal something about us, we will show it to everyone, it looks like, is the reaction that is now sufficient and is it clear, in principle, who is the customer of this surveillance, and shouldn't the person who is the customer of this surveillance finally say something about this, well, you know, the answer is in your question, because obviously there is an insufficient reaction that they found a sniper there, and they already said that the sniper was not the only one , to be honest, to the honor of those sbu employees who are really... fighting, who are really striking at the enemy, it would be just right that those who ordered it, whether it is the president's office, whether it is a fair, or tatars, or whoever,

those who do this must suffer responsibility, and again, returning to the president's thesis about the new course, the demonstration of the new should begin with the fact that the questions posed by society are correctly and fairly answered, that those who... live, those who drags the practices of yanukovych's time into modern ukraine, they simply don't have the right to be in office, we don't see all of this, there are attempts to somehow fix it, you know, to put it under the rug, but i have to warn you that this is practically how the ukrainian government acted before all the great upheavals in ukraine , well, now is definitely not the time for big upheavals, and now is definitely the time for adult politics and adult responsibility. well, in the end, if my right-wing colleague bohdan kutepov , a well-known ukrainian journalist, who wrote that the real customer is not tatarov or yermak, but

the president, how should we act in such a situation, and what should be the actions of president zelensky himself, who is currently only vaguely condemned the persecution of journalists, but instead of a formal condemnation, there should be steps to ensure that this never happens again, it should definitely be now... a conversation between everyone political forces , this unity government must be formed , there must be resignations of those who serve, let's say, as driving passes for such illegal teams, so that this can never happen again, because it is a shame, and it is definitely moves us away from victory, not closer to it. mr. roslav, every day we learn new and new evidence about what... is the church of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, nevertheless the draft law on its ban has been blocked since the fall of last year, what is the current situation, or any chance this job will finally be unlocked

and who is blocking it? it seems to me that they are blocking it from the president's office as well, because some strange situation is taking place, supposedly in the committee and they reach a healthy understanding, there they come to some compromise things that strengthen this law, that remove those inappropriate delays that were voted on as a basis , for example, that some kind of examination is still needed, or that the state still has to sue someone, there should be a very clear action, because the assessment has already been given, carried out expertise. twice in the 19th year, in the 23rd year under different presidents, under different governments, the conclusion is the same: uoc yes. that's why the state should act here, and if someone wants to challenge it, of course it's a constitutional right, but don't drag it out for years and decades with examinations, courts there and so on and the like. therefore, it seems that the answer is clear, and even at the committee level, this answer is allegedly being answered. but the fact that it is not

brought into the hall, too. that the formalization of already reached decisions is delayed, this precisely suggests that the parliament is being influenced from the outside, and from the outside, unfortunately, one administration that sits on the bank street, well, one well-known deputy, mariana bezugla wrote that the faction excluded her at her request by the servants of the people, but does this mean what it actually means at all and will it be mariana bezugla continues to be the deputy head of the committee on the issue. of national security and defense, you know, from practice, which i laugh at, because from practice it means nothing, there were already various odious personalities, there we will remember the same circle of tishchenko, we will remember others who were allegedly deprived there, dismissed and so on from factions from the party, but it meant nothing for them, for their work in the parliament, in the committee and positions in this parliament, so i think that this is a kind of release of steam,

because even in the servants themselves on... very, well, at least in the healthy part, a very negative attitude towards what ms. bezugla is creating, that's why there is this pressure, and it seems to me that they just want to let off steam, to say, no, she was deprived of her place in the blessed presidential faction, what do you it is still necessary, no, but it is necessary for her to stop doing it pressure on the military and even more so using the very high position of deputy chairman for a second of the committee on defense and security, so it should be. to be just voted, but we saw yesterday that the attempt to put it on the agenda was not supported, some of the servants voted, but unfortunately, most of the servants still listen to what they are told from the office. and one more point, we literally have a minute left, very briefly, if possible, regarding the bill on mobilization, it is about to go to the vote, yesterday we talked about what is apprehension that he, in addition to the fact that there may

be unconstitutional provisions. there are human rights and so on, the ombudsman is already talking about it, but there are things that, for example, can provoke the fact that all ukrainians will now start withdrawing their deposits, all their savings in banks, and the economy will switch to the hryvnia, so what cash, which in principle we will have very negative consequences, are there any such unbalanced points not calculated in this bill? well, unfortunately, the government has submitted a bill that is only cosmetically different from what it was forced to do withdraw, that is, now there will be a very heated discussion about this, well, thank you very much. to you for this conversation, rostyslav pavlenko, people 's deputy of ukraine, was with us, well , here we are now, our information hour is ending, and, but not ending, the telethon on the spresso tv channel, stay not just with us, but stay just now with kateryna shiropoyas and our news team, who just now prepared a fresh issue for you. congratulations andriy, i will tell our viewers about the consequences of the night and morning attacks in ukraine.

greetings, it's news time on the espresso tv channel. kateryna shiropoyas works in the studio. 11 victims of the russian attack in kyiv from a high-rise building in holosiivskyi. six people were hospitalized, including a pregnant woman. a fire broke out in an 18-story building as a result of shelling, several floors caught fire, there is destruction under the rubble, there are probably dead, burning cars and service station premises are also injured in the dnipro district. two high-voltage lines were damaged by the debris of the rocket.