have written to all law enforcement agencies to see if any of our current or former employees are involved in any criminal proceedings, and have not received any confirmation that any of us or our former employees are currently involved in any criminal proceedings, including that is related to article 307 and something related to narcotic substances, secondly, we sent a request to the security service, did she have a court order, but only a decision? according to the court , she had the right to install these cameras in one or more rooms, each room had to have a mother court rulings and the sanction of the prosecutor, and the security service simply ignored this question, accordingly, this indicates that all this happened completely illegally, and there is no investigation, even if you pay attention to the wording used in the press release of the security service of ukraine , then it is said that they just became... it is known that

the bigusinfo operator was involved in some criminal proceedings of the national police of ukraine in the past tense. actually, nothing indicates from this that the security service was investigating some criminal offense when she installed hidden equipment in the bedroom, and therefore we can say that in addition to... the criminal offense was committed in this case only by those who installed special equipment and used their official position to spy according to us, no legal claims against anyone, in particular against our already dismissed representatives, no law enforcement body currently exist. ms. aliso, thank you very much. finally, i wanted to ask if you have any any guesses what your investigation might be in the works or possible. has already come out

into the public domain, could it be the trigger that gave the command to this security unit to start tracking you? we understand that this happened for more than a year, so as far as we understand how these actions took place, they had some kind of intense, high intensity, then faded away. then again there were some surges, that is, we definitely understand that it was a very long work, a systemic work, and it is hardly caused, that is, we are unlikely to be able to guess with you now what kind of material, and maybe there were even several materials that caused these surges, when the first audition began, as far as we understand, at the end of 22, and then there was some new surge somewhere in the summer or in the fall of the 23rd.

when the intensive actions against us started again , that is, we should not, should not guess it, because in fact, we are constantly, among other investigations, conducting investigations that in one way or another affect the interests of the office of the president, simply because the office of the president, its high-ranking officials now have a lot of influence on various processes, and therefore so often fall into the focus of our attention. thank you very much, ms. alisa, alisa yurchenko. the editor-in-chief of biosinfo was with us, they were talking about a really terrible surveillance scandal , they would have been monitoring, for example , the president's office for six months, you know what we didn't see there , here you see, in six months they saw that the operators were smoking weed at a corporate party, not in six months , and for a year, a year was being monitored, are we here for the 67th year or what, or is it already the 37th? ok sirs dear friends, let's take a break, then come back, we'll talk about moods. and about

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format of ukraine in the evening prime time. i at all i think we need two things. money and weapons. we did not start this war, but we must finish it and we must win. the most important thing every thursday at 21:15 in the project velikiy lviv says, on the espresso tv channel. dear friends, this is us and this is our final hour, ours continues with andriy seichuk, with lesia vakulyuk, and we are joined by oleksiy garan, professor of political science at the kyiv-mylan academy, scientific director of the ilko kucharev democratic initiatives foundation. mr. oleksiu, good to you. good morning good afternoon good afternoon, well, let's get started, i saw very interesting, interesting answers on your page, this is true of the sociological center also rozumkov together with your foundation conducted a survey in the 23rd year, that is

december, december of the 23rd year, yes december 23rd year, and there are very interesting data there, in your opinion, who made the main contribution to from? beating the offensive of russian troops in the first months of the war, and now they believe that the defense forces, then the ukrainian people, then volunteers and patriots, and only then does the central government come and so on, well, if you about this survey, we conducted it in march of the 23rd year, in december we conducted a survey on trust in institutions and individuals, by the way, before... the previous conversation, and you know that i am a patriot of the channel espressa, i listen carefully to the saichuks, the vakulyuks , yes, i also listen carefully to this couple, so that’s right there, you know, the balance of trust and distrust in the sbu is 50%, plus or minus, the president

has a little less, yes, the president has 43%, if you take trust in the baby, then he has a plus... and if it is a balance of trust and mistrust, and if you take trust in these five or six managers, yes, i'll get to that now. to say that we have confidence in the security forces as a whole, and i very much support

your previous guest, who said that we cannot use the same paint to measure the entire sbu, yes, this is a very correct approach, but we have to understand that someone is really interested , someone is covering up, well, no one understands me, the truth is, why does the president study so much... he studied under this tatarov and he can’t do without him, and now, if possible, let’s let's go back to that chart that you showed, this, let's go back to it, let 's show, yes, yes, so this is our survey that we did not in december, but this is what we did before, we asked this question, again, this march of last year, that is, a year has passed , but then this question was very relevant, because, well, actually the year... of the beginning of the aggression, first the repulsor and first the repulsor of the russian offensive

on kyiv, and we see that when ukrainians were asked who goes first place, well, the defense forces are clearly in the first place of ukraine, yes, where there are different structures and the army and the national guard and so on, in second place is the ukrainian ukrainian people, yes, the president is in the fourth place, yes, that is, moreover, the central government, or rather, we put it like this, the central government, the president and the government, that is, you can see that the gap is very large , 70% say that it is the defense force, 62% that it is the entire ukrainian people, 46% that it is volunteers and patriotic citizens, and 24% say that it's the central government, it's not to belittle the contribution of the central government, i don't i want falling into criticism, we and you in the previous one, with the previous guest, also talked

about the extent to which it is necessary, well, to approach all these topics in a balanced way, but if, if you ask ukrainians, then ukrainians do not personify that this is the president, ukrainians say they talk about the army first of all about the entire ukrainian people, i think that this is a very correct approach, well... and if we return to the sociological data, that is, this is the antithesis of what zelensky said, yes, that i have five six managers i trust are ours polls in december, they show that ukrainians do not trust these managers, although the president himself, er, the president is trusted, uh , trusted, yes, that is, trust in the president, if you take it in a-a, then, again, if. .. if we take the balance of trust and distrust, it is 43%, but if we simply take how many people

trust the president, well, 68%, well, listen, well, this is a high indicator, but i was in davos and listened to the speeches of some prime ministers and ministers there of foreign affairs at the ukrainian sessions, and they said, yes, we would like such a level believe me, we would be very happy, that is, yes, the brave has a higher level, in the army. the level of trust, well, but, well, i think that it is obvious, and we know, even who, we guess, someone puts it to zelensky and says that, well, you have a competitor in the upcoming elections, so let's give something, we let's do something, by the way, mr. andriy, i thought that you would quote my proposal politically technologically, you somehow did not dare to quote it, because i said... i wrote in the post the day before yesterday that if you have any problems, what do with two

man, they take a bottle, sit down and agree among themselves, well, this is of course figurative, by the way, yesterday i heard it from oleksiy gencharenko already on the air, well, i don’t know, i won’t, it means to look for priority from someone, like that they say in english, great minds sinks alike, i.e. great minds think alike, but good people, well, if there are any personal conflicts, then they are resolved differently, i think there is an element here. there is this element of political envy and it is the main one, it is obvious that there is also a difference in views, certain views on how to conduct the military campaign further, well, we actually know little about this, and we can only, and we can only guess, what are there, mr. oleksy, but

you literally remember shuster, this is what we read on the site for the first time . about the fact that the president, that zaluzhny did not trust even the political leadership in kyiv so much that he did not share defense plans with the center before the beginning of the siege, and today he read the same from two novels about ukrainian truth, which i greatly respect, and from roman kravets and roman rmanenko about what they actually have conversations are taking place, well, if you believe the actual sources of ukrainian truth, i mean... with zaluzhnyi and zelenskyi, but how do they write that zaluzhnyi can apparently even say yes-yes, but never listens to what zelenskyi tells him and always does in his own way, and obviously in this way he considers neither the advice nor the instructions of zelenskyi's cabinet to be incompetent, and in the end these are situations that occur, probably between the political and

military leadership, that milavanov in our country mentioned this commander-in-chief. of the american army, and you remember trum to their conflict, yes, but look, in this case i am again, well, there are references to sources, who reacts, so, well, we can't say that he never listens to the parade, but, well, we don't know of this, it is obvious that some common opinion is developed, well , there is always some autonomy in the implementation of certain decisions. if we are talking about the situation on the eve of the war, well, the politician zelenskyi said that there would be no war, but the military general was doing everything to prepare for this war, well, probably right, i did the right

thing, that's why, well, you know, i'm doing it again, we're all too personal right now... we're fixing things here and there, once again objectively there is a difference in the approaches of politicians and generals, it's a pity that here in the current situation that has developed, what is happening now around zaluzhny is definitely harmful, and zelenskyi can still include, conditionally speaking, the rear in this situation, or in principle the resignation of zaluzhny, this is already something that cannot be avoided, what will be its consequences, no, well, look, if we are rational, if we want to achieve something, then we can always achieve this , moreover, it means, once again , political technology, zelenskyy agrees with the zaluzhny to avoid criticism, and then comes out with the winning reports that i convinced the zaluzhny in something and so on and so forth, that is, everything and you can even try to present it as a kind of victory

for the zelenskyi line, that is, it can be done politically technologically in this way. again, i, i, by the way, i think it could be better, certainly, it's a better option, a better option, and the situation right now, but it has to be, well here we even use the concept of political will, here even we can talk about personal will, yes, you want to agree with a person or you don't want to agree, so i, i think that... such a person is preserved rationally, but he very, very low, judging by the way this is unfolding, judging by the comments coming from the office, it's the same guy again, they took one manager out of the series, replaced it with another, what are you dramatizing here, judging by all this the window of opportunity, it's closing,

the consequences that will be, well, not very good, yes, that is, we... understand, again, it is not us who will continue the war, the ukrainians are confident of their victory, we, after all, are fighting, the boys and girls who are fighting at the front, they, and all of us who help them, we we are not talking about zelensky, poroshenko or zaluzhnyi, we are talking about our belief in victory in general, but, well, a certain negative effect on morale, on morale. this, it will work out, especially since now it is a situation of such uncertainty, then you said about this resignation, then, then they were silent, then about some kind of...reboot , which is announced to the italian channel , well, this is strange, yes, it is strange, because we always said that precisely the communication side - this

was one of the advantages at the beginning of the aggression, yes, and now we see that this the communication side for some reason is failing, i don't know if they can't give zelenskyi the necessary advice. whether or not he himself wants to accept them, to be honest with you, i say once again, i really don’t want to criticize zelenskyi and his team right now, well, they call me all the time several times a day, different journalists from foreign publications, i try to explain it somehow, as much as possible, and talk about the fact that what i am saying now is that it is the ukrainian people who are fighting, so let's... let's just do it to dramatize, but you yourself understand how i feel about it. mr. oleksiy, you said that

you offered this kind of political-technological advice, so that you could take a bottle and have a heart-to-heart and reconcile. of course, this is figurative, we do not encourage our viewers there to resort to these methods, and even more so, well, it is figurative, but we know that sometimes in... in our life, you call, listen, boy, here we are with you, come on, let's meet, let's talk like men, yes, what, but here's another political technological move , which i saw, for example, following maryana bezulai's page, she has, by the way, minus 51% according to this survey, and aristovych has -75, it finally reached the ukrainians, finally. it's a little hard, but you get there, but nevertheless, what i saw in her, what i saw, how some bot farms literally attack as soon as you write something

about zaluzhny, immediately a bunch of bots come running, repeating the same thing, what i saw in maryana bezugliy, for example, for example, there zaluzhny loves women, there are a lot of such comments, but or one more thing, zaluzhny has alcohol problems . this is what i saw in maryana, and what i also see, if you write something, a bunch of these bots will immediately come running and write the same thing just like a copycat, what kind of political technological move is this? no, well, you know, i think that deafness is generally a special, special case, i don't know if her the government really uses and covers up , well, it works in the government, well, it looks like it does , but it... works in the minus for the government, and let's say in the plus for the side of the industrious, well, you know, that's all nonsense, some silly pseudo-arguments,

well it is easy to break them, that is why i don’t know , i think you know this, this black pr, it ultimately works against those who run it, who start it, but the ukrainian, the same ukrainian people once believed in brother poroshenko, who poroshenko killed, i am like that, i would once, as i voted in 2019, leave from the polling station, and i literally heard people cheering and saying, well, you heard that on one of the tv channels they were talking about the fact that you name this tv channel directly, that these are pluses, and who are these, who are them, and who led them at that time, then minister tkachenko, and so on, who was supported by kolomoisky in this campaign, well, listen, let's do it, if the objective'.

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