i would like today, for example, in the evening address, to hear from president zelensky what he thinks about this, because he is the guarantor of the constitution and fundamental rights, including the right to freedom of speech and journalists, this is the marker you mentioned, mrs. yevgenia , that it is very important for the nato countries, it is important for the european union countries, it is very important, and this control is important over the power structures, but there it is probably impossible to imagine that 30 special forces. agents after some journalists in some complex where they rest, spy on them, and journalists simply, simply , these special services also take, well, like children, i can’t say in any other way, they just put them on the shelves, and this is probably a shame in general for those people who work in this department, mr. oleksiy, i am turning to kucherenko, mr. kucherenko, what do you say?

what about the possible conclusion of this story, because we would like some conclusions to be drawn from these stories, some personnel conclusions to be drawn, so that in the end it does not happen again, because i have been working in journalism for 30 years, i i observe the same thing, the sbu, journalists , surveillance, eavesdropping, eavesdropping , well, well, they also call my house, as they once did to me, you know, but we would like, sorry, let's not simplify, we would like much more, so i would... personally, as a person who worked in the authorities, in the government, in the cabinet, in the parliament, was a majoritarian and so on, and as an adult, the father of five children, i would like that in my state ukraine acted professionally, specifically state institutions, so that they act within their competence, so that they are independent of one or another phone call from some clerk, whose last name no one knows , from some... offices or other such

structures, well, incomprehensible, you understand, i am a state leaning on pillars, institutions, such as the security service of ukraine, the prosecutor's office, the courts, the antimonopoly the committee, regulators, others, these are the institutions that should work not according to the telephone law, but according to the law, according to other normative legal acts, i re-read the only one, here i am... i am appealing, maybe i am not remembering something , i read in the law, i am not mistaken, 13 article, the head of the security service is appointed and dismissed by the president of ukraine, i.e. even without the approval of the verkhovna rada, yes, am i wrong, i read the law, it’s just what i’m leading to, well , it’s absolutely clear that the one who appoints and dismisses, well that's why he has influence on the relevant institutions, and here it can be a big... mistake,

that really there is an extremely limited space for parliamentary control here, extremely according to the security service of ukraine. and now, regarding the tsk, you understand, the tsk was thinking, you understand what it was thinking there in the first in the second reading, when there were completely different deputies, well, patriotic, state, men, professionals, this is really very powerful. an extraordinary body of parliamentary control, which , according to the law on temporary special and investigative commissions, has very powerful powers, and which, in its own words, it is, well, it is even more than law enforcement agencies, because it can , within its competence, in fact, any - what to conduct an investigation there, and if suspicions of a crime are detected there, to transfer all this, but this is a public procedure, oh well. give me how

in the same united states, how are the commissions of the united states acting there regarding this or that potential crime there, yes, according to the same president, trump there or something else, remember how they act, this is an event of national importance, there even in the head no one will come, an official will not come to this meeting of the tsk, some dates are not false statements and so on. in our country, unfortunately, tsk was really reduced, this mechanism is extremely ineffective today, and... there are already dozens working there, and you know, i constantly think why this is yes. it is my belief that the tsk, in the conditions of such a monopoly of power that exists today in ukraine, the law should be changed so that this right to create a tsk belongs not to 226 deputies, but to 150, i.e. in the opposition, you understand, because today any which tsk, and i was the head of the tsk, although not an investigative one, but a special one. there

will be a majority of people's servants, they will vote for the agenda, they will vote for what requests to make, how to react and answer. it can be seen when the majority dominates in a certain temporary investigative commission, it is absolutely clear that it will be effective to carry out some real parliamentary control, unfortunately, it is impossible, because, as they say, the investigators in the course of the investigation expose themselves, this is what i state , unfortunately, please do not be offended, the only thing, i i want to say that mrs. yevgenia, it was the same with you, you know, nothing has changed there, all the last years. in fact, these tsks did not lead to anything, and now there are so many of them that i no longer know how many we have, and mr. oleksiy, and in the security service, nothing has changed in particular. public control, that's what the public resonance is today, well, let's wait, who

will be presented to us as a victim, you understand, what scale, what rank of the responsible shooter will be appointed, well, i myself am interested, but i want to say once again that whoever appoints, he controls , and the president of ukraine appoints, the president appoints, the verkhovna rada of ukraine at the request of the president and look, i remember that we voted, that you voted, you gave your consent to the appointment, then i look at the law, here on the website of the verkhovna rada , i'm sure i remember that we voted, but at the request of the president, that is, then i apologize, taking away , but dismisses the head of the sbu, the president independently, yes, yes, yes, the president has the right to dismiss the head of the sbu, he does not have the verkhovna rada to do so, but at the request of ukraine and fired by the president of ukraine,

that's right, thank you, well, i don't know, mrs. evgenia, maybe you can add, i'd just like to add that the president just fired another. when it came out, well, actually, this is, well, the first video , do you remember it, it was back in january, and it happened right away, and he called haryuk, well i remember that the video came out in the evening, and the next day there was a reaction, there was a reaction from the sbu, so we can check it , and i am convinced that it was there immediately the next day, so the night actually passed , and you. in the case of the dismissal of this director of the department, it happened on january 31, and here, too, it is precisely the procedure of the head of the service, but the president of ukraine signs the decree, may i say one word, literally, it is very interesting, you

know, when the head of this department was dismissed on january 31, i to be honest, i was surprised i thought, well, that's okay, well, you and i all understand that he didn't come up with this himself, well , it's... absurd that the director of this department was sitting and suddenly decided to arrange this whole thing just like that and all by himself, well, you and i don't believe that, he received the appropriate instruction, the instruction to the security service came from the president's office, and in principle, biguus himself is talking about himself, he even directly mentions the surname yermamak in his investigation, he says that i cannot prove this, but they tell me this, we really can't prove it yet, but i want to draw your attention to the fact that we just released this person. now everything is clear to me, and this is also emphasized in the investigation of bigus, that is, when the sbu realized that they messed up a lot, and that in fact this whole story had already been raised by journalists and was being investigated, only then, yes,

the resignation decree really appeared ahead of time the director of the department, but not at all immediately the next day, after this information appeared, but quite a few days passed between the time it appeared. this is a video of how it started reaction, as it was immediately obvious to everyone that it was done by the special services, and before the director of the department was fired, it took days, days, days, and now we understand how it happened, that is, the sbu just found out, it is clear that they burned down, it was necessary to find the shooter, the director of this department has been appointed as the shooter, they hope that it will all be paid off and further, which seems to mean that there is nothing, but as for the high-profile dismissals, i will remind us all of the dismissal of the previous head of the security service of ukraine. ivan bakanov. ivan bakanov was fired by the president of ukraine in the past, that was it last summer well, a long time ago, in general, he was released, after the beginning of a full-scale invasion on a very harsh article. for action or inaction that led to large human casualties, well, that is, if it was the type for

the south of ukraine, for the fact that the enemy passed there, and the sbu had a whole network of agents, as the sbu tells us, but i have a question, okay, dismissed under a very strict article. and that bakanov is with us, what is in the siso, there is some case, an investigation, recently we learned that bakanov is a staff member, he registered again in poltava region, he is fine, we have nothing... we do not know about any criminal cases against bakanov, nor any punishment for bakanov, he is a person who was responsible for security in ukraine, and at the moment when it turned out that there was a whole nest of russian agents in the security service, and at the highest levels, and there were none, that is, either he, excuse me, was a russian agent himself, or he was so unprofessional that he saw through all this, but really it all led to to terrible consequences, it is occupied in our country... thousands of people died in the south, millions lost their homes, but i don't know of any punishment for ivan bakanov,

maybe someone knows? yeh, ms. evgenia, please tell me that your faction will support the idea, just regarding the investigation of this case, once again, well, just say clearly that you support the creation of a temporary investigative commission, you will demand that the security service of ukraine still explain who ... gave instructions to monitor journalists, because one director of the department simply cannot do without one. well, i personally supported the issue today to invite mr baby to the verkhovna rada and without the votes of our fraction, it would not have been possible to vote with all due respect to colleagues from the opposition. regarding tsk, i cannot confirm this, because the head of the faction delegates or does not... does not delegate members of the faction to one or another investigative commission, as far as

i am concerned, there are other instruments of the verkhovna rada for such control, and there are various committees, our committee on freedom of speech , most of all, neither the law enforcement committee, nor the committee on security and defense, they can, within the limits of their powers, carry out such control, but i believe that some... a joint meeting of several committees is possible, well , we will work out such a possibility, and because here it is at the junction of law enforcement agencies of national security, freedom of speech, maybe in such a format with various committees. only i have one request: do not appoint marianna bezugla as the head of the temporary investigative commission, as was the case with wagnergate, you know, because in principle, probably mariana bezugla. well , it won't work in the current situation, this is my

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us on youtube, vote yes or no, write your comment below this video, if you... watch us on tv, pick up your smartphones and vote if you believe 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of the vote: rebooting the military leadership from zelensky. the president of ukraine announces that such a reboot will happen, and he did this in an interview with italian journalists when he was asked if it would happen. resignation of the chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhnyi. mrs. yevgenia, do you know now what the scale of this personnel reset will be, about which, about which the president says, because we already saw yesterday the first resignation of yulia laputina, the minister of veterans affairs, that is, she already wrote a resignation letter, but obviously this is

a large-scale reset, probably it is not all, do i understand correctly? well, when there will be official decrees, it is obvious that then the concept itself can be discussed, but it is so obvious that it will be some kind of comprehensive decision, and not point changes, but regarding the cabinet of ministers, indeed, well, we will vote on this resignation soon, and it is obvious that there will still be an executor responsibilities in the ministry, and it would be good if, well, some... there were such broad discussions as to who should lead the ministry of veterans, because it's a very, well, let's put it this way, a position that, obviously, it should be a person with veteran experience , but he is a good manager, because this is a very complex issue, and unfortunately, while the ministry of veterans

has not fully managed the functions that everyone expected from them, but it should be exactly... such a normal management team, but about certain decisions of the president of ukraine, he has the constitutional right to this is a right, and it is obvious that it is precisely his responsibility in this, and not some discussion, i don't know there on facebook, polls in telegram channels and so on, these are his constitutional powers, and it is obvious that the explanation will also be public. .. some logic of these changes. by the way, today is a very important decree, if possible, i’ll just stop at it, because in parallel , the decree of the president of ukraine on the creation of such a new direction has already officially been issued in the armed forces, it’s drones, it’s, well, in my opinion, it’s an important decision, it’s very an important decision, but

apparently, drones will also be controlled by a new head. of the armed forces of ukraine, but i did not receive an answer from volodymyr zelenskyi, whether this rotation will still happen or not, and what he is not satisfied with, but i, as a citizen, do not know what to think at all, because for 10 days we have some kind of laundry information machine, then some telegram channels write about it, then it appears in the public space, apparently such a conversation took place on the 29th. wrote about the fact that such a decree had already been signed, apparently he had already prepared this decree, apparently they told the industrious man, sorry, i did not write about the decree, i wrote about the fact that zelensky asked zaluzhnyi to write a statement, this, i am sure of this information, and it has already been confirmed many times, that is, it cannot be that many public people who care

about their reputation simply they took up and spun this topic, a non-existent conflict or a non-existent conversation, so what happened, obviously, today i spoke with roman tsybaliuk on the air as a journalist, he also wrote about it, then took away his post, mr. oleksiy, how can you even explain what takes place from cadres, military cadres during the war with the head of the armed forces of ukraine, i.e. why can’t it be simply explained that this commander-in-chief has fulfilled his mission, we thank him, oleksandr syrskyi or general budanov or someone there , someone else will be there next audience testing there is society, but how is society? will react if the society is against it, well, maybe they won't postpone it for good, look, well, first, to cross the bridge, by the way, from our

past topic, and you remember that at the beginning of december, information appeared that in the cabinet eavesdroppers were found by listening devices, it is not in the office, but in one of the rooms where he had to do laundry, in which one of the rooms, well, but it was about zaluzh, about the headmaster and the fact that, accordingly, his colleagues contacted him.. . there, the apparatus, the team , a criminal case was accordingly opened, we do not know who established it, well, this is a very serious question, if it was russian agents listening to some room in which the commander-in-chief could work there, well, we can imagine the consequences of this, yes , and if this not russian agents, so who and then, and why and what, and why we don't know about any results, this is about by the way to talk about wiretapping and so on. i think, and here we understand that in fact it was the sbu there again, which means that it had some goals of its own, listened to by the head, and

now regarding the issue of zaluzhny, i think that all that is happening now around zaluzhny, this is exactly the wrong development of events, well, first of all, if nothing had happened, then we would have come out together with zelensky zaluzhny a long time ago, on any video appeal, they meet and said: listen, guys , everything is fine with us, we are working, and we would all say: thank god, it’s not like that, and therefore i am absolutely sure that zelensky suggested that zaluzhny write a resignation letter, i know it , in this, in this information, i am absolutely sure, i understand that the scenario was such that the agent would write this statement, and then they would say: well, listen, two years of a full-scale invasion, well , all living people, i was very tired in the head, wrote a statement, well i can't help but let him go, that's why... if that was all, but everything went wrong this scenario, zaluzhny refused to write this statement, no, further, well, to write a decree without zaluzhny's statement, well, this is definitely a conflicting

story, and it must be explained to society, zaluzhny is popular in ukrainian society, very popular, so it must be explained, or does the president have the constitutional right to do this, absolutely, according to the constitution he has the right to do this, but there will obviously be issues in society and... he likes when he is applauded for his decision, and not when he is whistled, and this is based on the reaction of social networks and everything, well, it is clear that there is definitely no applause here, and that is why it took so long, but in my opinion, this is a very wrong development of events, the best option is that they find a common language, agree, sit down, talk man to man there, go out and talk , everything turned the page, we continue to work, fight together, this is what i would really like to see and close this topic. "if zelenskyy is there, well, he doesn't want to work more with the hard worker, that's his right, well, then he already comes out with this decision, well, that's all, well, that's all, well, if you can't review it, everything is solved for you, because the scenario when

the hard-working commander-in-chief of the armed forces during the war has been suspended for more than a week, he is suspended, and with one foot on the way out, well, this is wrong , it shouldn't be like that, it 's not only about him, it's about about the chief of the general staff, and about the deputies for..." and it cannot be like that, these people every day plan military operations on which the lives, just physically, of thousands of people depend, and these people should not be in such conditions , so this scenario is the worst, and lastly, don't forget this one has become one of the main news reasons, it is not only said, you say our journalists, it is written by the washington post, new york times, times politica and... and so on and the whole world is talking about it, and if someone thinks that we it adds something, especially in the conditions when there is no solution package from the us side, that it somehow demonstrates our unity, thank you, thank you

, mr. gonzharenko. mr. kucherenko, please, thank you for your permission, because for the second time in a row i did not have time to say the last word of your broadcast, i think it is a mistake, bye things, i am not afraid to show boring things, so i am addressing my colleagues and all tv viewers, i have reviewed the law on the security service 10 times, which is posted on the website of the verkhovna rada and on the website of the security service of ukraine, there is article 13 of this law, so far pir is recorded, the head of the service without... security is appointed and dismissed by the president of ukraine, indeed, in december 19th, you and i accepted the changes, but they are not reflected on the website of the verkhovna rada, i am shocked, frankly, it is so , this, and now the second, i do not want to comment further the situation with zaluzhny in particular, it is clear that meticulous attention is paid to it, i know a lot, but i do not even want to go beyond the framework of the formal system, which mr.

oleksiy was talking about, this is... the absolute sphere of competence, powers and responsibility of the supreme commander-in-chief president of ukraine. hr decisions need to be prepared for a long time, but made and implemented very quickly. this is unacceptable, special under the conditions, under the conditions of wartime. and be that as it may, i do not want to discuss the victories and achievements of commander-in-chief zaluzhnyi in any case, i believe, is wrong, it does not bring anything good to society now. and the last one is very fast. here is this thesis about the need for drastic changes in the leadership of the country, i quote: president zelenskyi on sunday said something on the air of italian television, but not ours. but it was about the need for very significant changes in the leadership of the country. and i just ask myself and

my colleagues. there is a question, yes, who are the leaders of the country, please tell me, if you excuse me, minister, minister, how is he there, veterans, well, well, agree, this we, we are not talking about that today, i understand that in the military leadership the president has something, he has planned and cannot implement it, but i am primarily, or secondly, just as concerned about what we have with the government, with the economy , with the most painful questions, everything is fine with us and... there is no need to change anything, this is what i want to hear from the country's leadership, and i ask the question again, who is our country's leadership? thank you, ms. yevgenia, you can answer in a minute, because i heard about five or six managers that this is the state leadership, maybe they a little more, colleagues, this discussion is not for one minute, but for half an hour, what i

would like is for us to just... well , react less emotionally to everything we read on the internet, especially if it is some anonymous sources, because believe me, this year there will be very big challenges for ukraine, there will be a lot of russians shaking the situation, so let's at least not quarrel with each other, but let's help each other, let's go, it's really true, thank you, we have to finish the conversation, evgenia kravchuk, oleksiy honcharenko, oleksiy kucharenko, thank you for you in the program, it was extremely interesting to talk with you, friends, during our program we conducted a survey, we asked you about the following: do you trust the security service of ukraine? 19% - yes, 81, no, it's on tv. now i'm looking at the results that we have on youtube. 20% yes, 80% no. these are the results of today's survey, it was the verdict of serhiy rudenko program.

i wish you all the best, take care. yourself and your loved ones, see you tomorrow at 20:00! greetings to all viewers of espresso, and this is news, from you annaeva melnyk and we will start with the consequences of the enemy attack on our capital, the number of victims due to the russian missile attack in kyiv has increased to 38. among the wounded is a pregnant woman. it is also known about four dead people, the city military administration said. as a result of shelling , an 18-story building in the holosivskyi district caused a fire and destruction under the rubble, which may still be there.