how to provide information as soon as possible , to be open, to demonstrate that we have no secrets, that here, in one day, we have to suddenly change completely, on the contrary, we cannot say anything, because everything we say analyzes the enemy, and we do not have the task of informing at all, because the troops do not make a difference, people here in the rear know where they are now or do not know, it is difficult to imagine. in democratic rallies, but it is so. and yes, we were learning, we had a bunch of different stories while we were doing it all learned to do then, don't forget that you yourself, i think, noticed that sometime from the summer of 22nd, we practically did not have uncontrolled public speeches of mayors, there of various local administrations, about where the enemy hit, where he moves there, all these military things from information it was completely coordinated, yes. i

completely organized the local press headquarters into one system, we have a common chat there, we brought them all together with the military, and we learned how to do it, but it took time, yes, it was a complicated story, so can you separate it some special, perhaps victories on the information front against russia, which means against russia, but these are two different fields of work. in the ukrainian information space and separately in russian. i will tell you that literally in the first days, we created a group of various law enforcement agencies and volunteers of the advertising market, who at their own expense, with their own resources and including the powers of the ministry of digital, worked very powerfully for several of them. campaigns of the first in

the territory of the russian federation, which influenced, influenced the course of certain events, and since we we still use these information technologies, we will reveal them already after the victory, but believe me, on the territory of russia, everything that needs to be worked out, and even we recorded that they... notice, they even organized press conferences that they cannot to influence this is a separate story that concerns the territory of ukraine, we have such a challenge, it is to reassure people, which the armed forces and the ministry of defense should not do, but we were engaged in this, and valery fedorovych in the first days, and i with him we went out there and made different videos and photos there, because we understood that ukrainians.

cannot recover from this shock, yes , this was also necessary, here is an important point, which i now want to point out, that this is not just psychotherapy, we want to reassure ukrainians, no, it is important for us to maintain the offensive potential of the nation, not only of the army, which at the forefront, because it draws its emotions from the state of society, and it is important for us that society. it was not just reassuring that he had offensive potential, these are very important things, we informationally, well i i believe that we worked them out well, you don't think that society was too calmed down somewhere in the middle of last year, well, different people were on the air, if you want to allude to oleksiy, oleksiy. fulfilled

his task very well, he coped with it, and such a person was needed on the air, we also joked that oleksii soothes women, and i soothe men, well, this is a joke, of course, and these are other things, we cannot say here that only one person should be on the air and only one person should speak, and we worked out both official channels and... believe me, a very large one by the number of unofficial ones , a huge army of information volunteers worked with us, and to this day, all these people , they work, yes, they help, and therefore it was not only messages from people who were very recognizable, and not only from the ministry or the armed forces , but also from many other leaders of public opinion, who also thank everyone who supported this situation then and supported this offensive. that we will not give up, yes,

victories are important here, yes, of course, the liberation of kyiv oblast gave us this inner spirit, confidence that we can win , but now, for example, it is more difficult to maintain it, but... it is necessary, i will clarify, ms. hanna, i did not mean talking heads, yes, relatively speaking, but an information campaign about mobilization, here we have, for example, some regions that at the beginning of the full-scale invasion gave 80% of the plan, as of the middle of the 23rd year, they began to give 10, 12, 13%. what could this be related to? but there are natural processes, the number of people in ukraine is finite, well, that is, they, yes , there are as many as there are, we have a priori a country less and less people than the enemy, we just

have to understand that the whole war until victory itself we will fight in conditions of shortage, shortage, and human resources, and weapons, well, and weapons, to reach... parity with the russians it is extremely difficult, because they are a huge state , they have been preparing for this war since 1991 , some of our powerful rulers at one time even handed over to the russians the missiles that are now being fired at us, yes, they are destroying our cities, that is why these different internal politicians, they led to the fact that it is now extremely difficult to overcome this inconsistency, that's all accepted it as an axiom, now we learn to fight in conditions when we... people, less weapons, we take professionalism, yes, what we actually manage, in the first months there was no such problem, because there were volunteers, i will remind you that in the first weeks, about 100 thousands of tros gathered,

that's a huge army of people, yes, then there was another problem that the tsc could not cope with such an influx of people, these same people are needed'. to wash, clothe, feed, teach, and this is urgently needed, and tsk are not designed for such a flow of people, and the tsk system in general, i want to remind, under yanukovych it was still destroyed, and two weeks before the maidan, in the 13th year , yanukovych, by his decree , the conscript army was completely destroyed, that is, you and i received such remnants, which had to be restored, restored, but on the 14th and year in terms of volume... it is still not the 22nd, and then the mobilization continued constantly, well, with the same level, well , of the implementation of these norms, and this need was formed at the beginning of the invasion, and it

constantly renewed this need , yes, but this final number has not yet been dialed then, well, i can’t voice her, yes, the law prohibits it, but she wasn’t recruited even for a year and a half or so, then you and i saw a shameful absolute phenomenon - this is what was happening in some tsc and some by the military commissars, these abuses , bribes, these things began, they at some point gained a critical mass, absolutely these are things that must be eradicated, and somewhat the system itself experienced a little turbulence, because there were changes of leaders, you know, this campaign, and now they faced the fact that they had to learn to work, well, respectively to the law, this is the first thing, and the second thing is that the human resource is, yes, it is decreasing, so this is a very complicated story, and, plus, our

legislation was imperfect, it did not allow us to fully understand our mobilization possibilities. now changes are being made and we will already fully understand what we have. ms. hanna, i wonder if you have encountered russian security forces and some very powerful fakes against ukraine, for example, maybe even the mobilization in ukraine, whether the enemy tried to disrupt them, they have two information goals, they are people and weapons, because these are the two key ones. factors of victory, people , weapons on each side, so their task is to make sure that we do not receive weapons, and they very powerfully discredit us as a recipient or as a recipient of weapons in the west, that is, we constantly have to fight back there against these campaigns that somewhere there we have, well

, there are fewer of them now, at the beginning of the invasion - it was simply terrifying, and that we were selling these weapons somewhere, and that they were found somewhere in some country. in some hot spot, these are the weapons that someone in ukraine provided there, well, in a word, yes, they launched a lot of such things, and the second is to hit our human resources. including the discrediting of the mobilization process, this is a complicated story, because our military commissars also contributed to discrediting, and here, you know, the russians didn’t have to do a lot, they just took these specific cases and hyped them up, inflated them, although you can’t to say that all tsk and all military commissars did not work well, because they are on the wave. overnight and provided this entire process when they needed hundreds of thousands instantly

mobilize people, who did it, they did it, they are actually one of the pillars of defense capability, but now due to the fact that there were people among them who behaved in an unacceptable manner, we essentially branded the entire system, well, we have to, well, what should we do? , it is necessary to restore, adjust the work now in this system, mrs. hanna, can you remember any? perhaps the most dramatic moment of your work at the ministry of defense? well, in any case, these are the first days and the first weeks of a full-scale invasion, then we got involved in this situation, got used to it, found it there opportunities, what to do, and first, of course, it was a very difficult period, and difficult... because until the end, well, in the first days, we did not understand

whether kyiv would stand or not, the situation was very risky then, and there were such times, well emotionally, yes i remember now, they were difficult, well, for example, everyone always asks me, the first four days, four days, no one slept there, yes, there is the head of the ngsh , there is the deputy... theirs, well, there is a big the number of people was, yes, so no one slept, and i have these photo-videos when we went on the air with such scary eyes, and what are you there drank the way you behaved, so that you understand, this is an internal state, this is adrenaline, no, well, there was nothing there, not coffee, something like that or some pills, stimulating, no, this is such an internal state that we need to all get together now , well, it seemed... that now we are going to make some very strong move and

this will radically help to solve this situation, and then i remember those first weeks there was such a thing that they could not eat, they could not sleep, that is, all this human resource is ordinary, it is very effective for some reason then worked, but on this adrenaline, that's what i remember, well... i remember, at night, because we understood that the russians could come in, they basically knew the layout of these premises, well, now there is no one there, but they knew then , because they were built in soviet times, so we discussed these issues, what we will do if, if they come, that is, we agreed on how we react, what we do, and in september of last year they wrote that you reduced... the staff of military television and army fm, what was the reason? oh, thank you for asking, because,

ah, there's no tool like that today can you inform everyone, yes, i shared this story in my social networks, well, but less, we need to explain more, so, well, first of all, in order for us to join the european union, we need partners in... . put forward a whole series of conditions, including the absence of state media, the complete elimination of state media, absolutely, and if the ministry of defense has its media for them, it is state propaganda, and they did not accept any arguments regarding this at all, well, they did not accept it perceive, and the only thing we were able to do was to convince them, because i i would like to remind you that the law on media was adopted , according to which there should no longer be any military media, that is why i did not reduce them,

and i am very grateful to the deputies who persuaded and met with partners, and on the contrary, we saved it for the time being war military media, because they were supposed to be gone under the new law, and the only thing that could not be saved. these are news agencies, they simply don't exist under the new law, they don't exist, we have to liquidate them, so we simply followed the law and found another form to... at least something to leave this agency, yes, it simply exists now in a different form, legally under a different name, that is , there was no exit here, as far as military television is concerned, the story is the opposite, yes, it was created, well, it was initiated and created by me and now the glory god it works, military television army tv,

under me we received a state license, and why such an idea for... why is it necessary, because i believe that the military should talk about their lives and what is happening there at the front, i believe that they deserve under during the war, so that they could say it not by including 5 minutes somewhere on the air or by someone alone in an interview, but that all press officers, for example, in all brigades should constantly have that when they want to go on the air, they can go out, yes and don't forget that we had hundreds of thousands of people mobilized, among them... incredible professionals of the media front, and i, to be honest, when i met them at the front, i understood for myself that we are also fighting an information war, we are carrying out very serious informational tasks, some you see, well, that's it we did not see and thought that this is all we do, if i am on the air, or the speaker of the general staff, or one of the osuvi, our stars are already there, yes, who are there and nataliya hoviniuk

, and ignat, that is yevlash, yes , that is, people who are already recognized, that's all, in fact, this is... the tip of the iceberg, information about what we did, and i realized that people who worked very professionally as media workers in peaceful, well, conditionally peaceful times, yes , before the full invasion of civilian life, and they must be found in the army, so that we do not learn anew, but that they are this cool product, but already being in troops, already knowing all the military realities, to make it, that's why i created it, and i thank you for supporting... this is the minister at the time, the military unit, in which we actually took television operators, radio operators, and journalists writing there, who would create this is the media for the information war, and they have greatly strengthened it all, and so that after

demobilization, because it is the people who are being demobilized, this whole system does not collapse, yes, there is a separate military television, in other words, in fact, all people have to work from army tv, but we left, this is my conscious position, to leave military television for them to take over this baton when all these specialists are demobilized, and it is my dream that these cool media people who are mobilized will teach the military to make quality cool tv. vision, such a military discovery. do you think it works now? well, i hope so, because the leader hilarion pavlyuk is also a person i met in the army, we have known him for a long time on the project ukraine says. and i, i, i hope, yes, that he will succeed, i i want it, yes. you yourself said

that we should talk more about the military. and, in context. of this, the leader of the servant of the people faction , david rahamia, claims that he is persuading the president to release data on ukraine's losses in a full-scale war. how do you feel about this, do you share his idea? and i will tell you frankly, i also did not understand what to say here, how many losses we have, what is the problem with this, right? and at the beginning. to a large, full-scale invasion , the military explained to me that this is not about freedom of speech or people's access to information, the fact is that the military, when planning their operations, rely, among other things, on information about the number of combat-ready persons in

the enemy's units, and on this... number, because they have limits, how many percent are already incapacitated, they are wounded, and killed, it is equally impossible for them, yes, they, when there is a battle, a battle , or an operation is planned, they count how many units there are, and they count for themselves by losses what other tasks this unit can be assigned to, and by the number losses, because they have their own norms, if there are losses, i tentatively say the numbers now, there is, for example , more... then they know for sure that the unit will no longer do this and that, so this information is carefully hidden, and the russians also hide it from us, but we, since we are fighting with them information. including, we show their numbers, yes, this is our war with them, but our numbers, the military, ask not to speak, it is a state secret, that's why i

explain it, but there was a case indeed, when the commander-in-chief once, it was, it seems the summer of the 22nd, voiced the number, then this there were 9 00 dead, i will explain the background, we had public initiatives that believed that the criminal state did not want to say how many people died. and it is necessary, and they began to collect information from the relatives of the dead, although this information, in principle, in general, after the victory, it will not be possible to hide it, because these are payments, well, that and they, roughly organizing these relatives plus or minus with our data, came to a figure similar to , and we understood that if it starts now, and the public, they will start, well, it is very dangerous for the armed forces themselves, they made a decision that they will come out, they will say this, and then they will explain to society that these numbers should not be announced, because it is important for the military and why, and then we

conducted this information campaign as much as we could, well, as we could things, in this regard, can you explain to our viewers what the losses that the general staff of the russian federation publishes are... killed and wounded russians, killed and wounded, just in the military, well, we as civilians are constantly confused by this, in the military losses are all losses, in them the wounded is also written as losses, ugh, because he is no longer capable of fighting, that is, for them, this person is no longer there, he is not fighting, that is, in theory, out of the 400 thousand that we have at the moment, some percentage is possible already returned to the front and fights against. ukraine again? well, if they are wounded, well, of course , they can return, but it is worth noting that the russians

treat their wounded very disdainfully, and they do not rescue them as much as we do, the percentage of return is much higher, in they are russians somehow they are scattered by people, so if they are returned, then not so much, let's hope for it, paniga. we're running out of time, but i really want to ask you one more question about how working at the ministry of defense has changed you? and this is a different person altogether, that person died and another person was born, absolutely, well, this work changes, especially in the conditions of a full-scale invasion, it is, well, i have become a man inside, it seems to me, that is completely... i ask everyone to understand who for gender equality, but here these are such psychological and physical loads, and what was necessary

to pass, well, i became just stout , firm, tough, i can withstand anything , what i thought i could not withstand, now everything, well, the main thing is that the fear has disappeared, in general, well, in general, he he disappears there, otherwise, it is impossible to work with him, and it is even sometimes scary because there is no fear, because this is the instinct of self-preservation, it should be. gaining experience in the ministry of defense, ah, how do you use it now and whether you use it at all, but unfortunately, the war is going on, so there is not much choice here, go to some other creative legal process, yes, because i am a lawyer by profession and science, and i have practiced for many years. interesting, yes, political crime , wars, including, of course, i would like to sit down now and freely think about everything, talk to scientists, but war, we

must each do everything in our area to win, so everything, i roll up my sleeves and i do, yes, i can do it on the information front, i now believe that i have given the opportunity to foreign journalists with whom i have worked under and... to show a different angle now ukraine, that is, i developed this vision , this idea, so that the western audience perceives this war in such a way that they support the provision of help to us, this is our task, because all foreign governments, they need the support of their population, because all of them too choose, it is important to them, and that is why we worked, i was at a very big event in germany, i was invited by german documents. letters that shoot documentaries about wars in the world in general, it was more than about 400 journalists from all over europe and america, including there 50 of them - this is produ.

among european and american tv channels, and they wanted to hear from me how to cover the war in such a way that their audience would watch it, so as not to harm the ukrainian military, and because the fact that it is not watched there, yes, why, i will tell you, not because ukraine is not interesting, because this is very traumatic information, so we had to look for formats, we will now make many projects that are very interesting, well, i won't talk about it in advance, but very, very necessary for ukraine , and we will now show ukraine from a different angle, what is important for us to show? it is important for us to show that we can do anything, we are strong, we can endure, we are professional, we just need weapons. ms. hanna, i thank you very much for an interesting conversation, i wish you and all our viewers a speedy victory in this terrible war. stay with us.

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