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great return of great lviv. conversations, discussions, search for solutions. the largest talk format of ukraine in the evening prime time. in general , i think we need two things. money and weapons. we did not start this war, but we must finish it and we must win. all the most important thing today at 21:15 in the project is veliky lviv, on the espresso tv channel. dear friends, these are our final half-hour marathons, lesya voklyuk, andriy saichuk, we are working in this studio for you, and in this studio, together with us, volodymyr mula, director and writer, who, congratulations volodymyr, i have in my hands this book, today it will be presented in lviv, it's called, wayne called me, wayne is the man on the right, if there are hockey fans among our audience. should

know him, this is wayne gretsky, whose name is known on the whole world, and as it turned out, this veinn has such ukrainian roots, because there was a mixture of russian, belarusian, and all sorts of things. volodymyr is also the director, the author of the documentary film yuki, actually about canadian hockey players who have ukrainian roots, and i understand that this book is a description of the process of how this was filmed. above all, the final point in the story, now six years old , called yuki, because there is a movie that is more historical, more important, one that must be seen, to think, analyze all the events that took place on ukrainian lands more than 100 years ago, the book... still has a different purpose,

it is written in an entertaining way, this is what happened to me during these three years of creating and working on the film , from the idea to the release on the screens, it was so exciting and in some places unexpected that people who read and such say to me, you, you, you didn't even tell us, didn't tell us, we had no idea how difficult it was , and it inspires, motivates, i really hope that people who take this... manuscript in their hands will also discover a lot of interesting things for themselves. after all, let's return to the tape like this, because it is more primary, but it is called yuki, why yuki? and actually this tape seems to be about hockey players, but you say that it is more historical, and you have to think about how sports, how canadian hockey is connected with ukraine. history, and here

it is important to emphasize that yuki's film is not a total sports documentary, yes, because many people who watched the film later wrote to me, you told us about... what we thought it was a tape about hockey, in fact it is a much deeper story about ukrainians who left ukraine, due to various reasons, more than 100 years ago, adapted there, including in hockey in this national sport of canada and achieved considerable success, and it is important to emphasize , that without the great contribution of ukrainians, this national hockey league would not be so strong and well-known, universally recognized. the world and actually these stories motivated me very much, when i worked with these people, met with them, talked about ukraine, when they brought large photo albums, family photo albums, where they pasted their photo cards and in this way

passed down this ukrainian heritage from generation to generation, this is something i have not seen in ukraine, to do it like that, and they just blossomed, they changed from... in the face, when we started talking with them specifically about ukraine, about ukrainianness, because all their interviews before that, they were on sports topics, no one even thought to ask them about their heritage, and when we talk about it with them talked, they are two things at once expressed, the first thing is that we really want to come to ukraine after all, because many of them have never been to ukraine, and the second thing is that they wanted as much as possible, and knowing about all the events that took place in in ukraine, yes , there was no full-scale war then, but there was a so-called anti-terrorist operation, yes, ato, they still wanted to somehow support us, with anything, yes, and this is what i

saw, this is what i had that's great to hear, and that's what i lived by, actually, and what i write about in the book, so there's wayne, right? yes it is a person without whom, well, it is like madonna in show business, so that people for those people , for example, our viewers who do not understand sports, do not know about hockey, do not know about canadian hockey, what else does he have to do with ukraine, well, he was faster in football, but something in this spirit, his records are still not broken, not broken like that, his records are still not broken, the canadians want to print him on a five-dollar bill, well, you understood the level in... magnitude yes, this person, and he is ukrainian, he admits it, yes , maybe he does not do it at every step, in every interview, he just doesn't say, but it seems to me that here is such a story that it's enough for him to say it once, uh, and everyone will immediately pick up on it, and

everything will become clear to everyone at once, that's what i struggled because it is very difficult to reach him, especially when his best friend tells you a day before the interview, something seems to me that he is not ukrainian, but polish. and i say, very interesting information, but it is not so, and when he gives you 20 minutes of time, you come to this conversation with him, and for the first time in his life he he admits to the camera that he is ukrainian, he is proud to be ukrainian and asks me what else i can do, it seems to me that this is a lot, he says that he hardly spoke ukrainian anymore, but the grandmother spoke to him in ukrainian in the movie, he simply repeats her phrases , and you understand that the grandmother is like that... and the grandmother was the first person who took him to hockey, that is, to the first hockey game in his life at the big stadium in toronto, they went because they lived on a farm in branfort, it's a little more than an hour's drive from toronto, and his grandmother was the first to take him to

hockey, and after that he became so fond of this sport that he started playing it and became the weakest hockey player in the world, the meeting turned out to be full-scale. invasion, but what kind of a premonition was that it was important, and it is necessary to speak to ukrainians about the fact that it is important to remember this long history, and you also need to know your history, and there is such a different episode in the tape, there is another athlete, unfortunately, i don't remember his name, her surname, he even i remember holding a book n appleboom about the holodomor eric dnisterenko, yes, he is a descendant of some yes, his... history is unique, his father, he worked in the government of pavel skoropatsky, yes, and he participated in the first, or rather, in the second winter campaign, and this is also a unique thing, so that when later, well, he actually worked in the government that was in exile, he

didn't even tell his son eric about it, and eric told us in an interview that, well, i feel that very terrible things happened there. and about which he simply did not want to tell more, and we practically did not want to talk about it either they did not communicate with him, unfortunately, eric died a few years ago, but until his last days... he actually wanted to learn more about what specifically happened on the territory of ukrainian lands at that time, and that is why he read this book about the holodomor , and unfortunately i didn't get a chance to talk to him anymore, he didn't see the movie because he lives in the mountains in vail, colorado, it's very difficult to get there, plus, you know, he was over 80 years old , there was no connection with him as such either. and this is generally for luckily, i believe that i managed

to record him for the film, that he also told unique things, including about his father, and that he also spoke ukrainian, that is, imagine, he was already born in canada, yes, he was born in canada, he was over 80 years old, he only spoke ukrainian with his dad, and it was a long time ago, but even so, when... we tried to speak ukrainian with him , he understood everything, but of course it was difficult for him to pick up and find slovaks, there is also another moment with this erik nesterenko, related to his father, that you visited that village, and which chernihiv region or cherkat region, i do not remember, and there was no one about him, there was no street, no nothing, now decommunization is taking place, i.e. once again, i.e. dad was in skorop's government. yes, he took part in the second took part in the second winter campaign, well, he actually defended

ukrainian independence, his son became a famous hockey player in canada, that is, for the village, it’s just, well, i don’t know, the central street the central street, two monuments, i don't know, memorial plaques, absolutely both and and it even surprised me, not even the fact that there are no streets or any identifiers, that people of the older generation even... do not remember the name of such a person, ugh, well, the tape came out , after that there were no appeals about the fact that no, absolutely, none, none, and father, this is that, this is that, here we are today, when we are going through this second year, soon it will be two years of a full-scale of this transformation, we finally began to understand, it seems, the parallels, and the fact that this is a war, in fact, it did not start in february and not even in the 14th year, but what is it really if, well... this is a history of some 100 years already absolutely yes for me it is an obvious thing,

well, that is, i see all these very strongly now parallels with all that, when you read, you see those archives, because i rummaged very thoroughly in those archives, i picked up certificates also from canadian provinces, they all came to me, i saw by the numbers, that’s how many people there really were in which year were coming to canada, for what reasons, well... we can all probably understand why these people were leaving, and and what is happening now is a very, very similar situation, i will even say more , it seems to me that the methods, how it all happens, they have not changed at all, and to people in the west, it is not that wild, they just do not understand, they are purely polish, they don't understand how such a story can happen in the center of europe in the 21st century, but this eric again... sterenko yes, that is, he, the only person with whom he spoke ukrainian was his father. we now have a similar

situation, when ukrainians are scattered throughout the country of the world, because they save their children from a full-scale invasion, from russian missiles, protect their lives, some will return, some will stay, and the question is how, how those generations preserved this ukrainianness in themselves and preserved it for their children who were already born in canada in the homeland , their family is taken, there is not even a sign, not even in this small village, from where i do not know, in this house lived so- and-so, is there not even a sign with the name of the street? this is such a difficult and painful question, because actually i would really like to be yuki's film, it seems to me, to be honest with you, it is... underestimated in ukraine, because it has deep meanings and codes sewn into it,

which people do not always pay attention to, and it is actually ee in north america and in canada did much more than in ukraine, because ah, so you understand, here are all these hockey players who are collected in the film, and not only now, because we made a film about the winners of the stanley cup, that is, these are top-level people , who... won the championships, which are engraved on this cup, which went down in history, but there was there are a lot of ukrainians who just played in the nhl, but didn't win the stanley cup, but it's also very big... there is an array of people who, thanks to the film, remembered where they are from, and i know for sure that after they left, how , when the film came out, all these people began to call each other, they got in touch, and they

were leaving ukraine with such frank and sincere surprise, going, going, going, and it was very nice to see how they remembered their identity. and everyone at their own level is trying to support ukraine in this difficult time, because i want you to understand that the ancestors of famous hockey players, they were so, the correct word is, they were intimidated, yes, for example, kelly grudy's grandfather did not say that he was from ukraine until the 91st year, until... he didn't until ukraine didn't gained its independence like this, and the father of barry trots, the famous coach who won the stanley cup with the washington capitals, he still walks around and says, so i won't talk about it, and i say, what? well, because i

'm probably still being followed, and to what extent they have this factor of that, that... the process that took place on ukrainian lands, what it really is, it is very important to publicize, speak, and make changes in our country so that this simply does not happen again, for me, when you say that the film was underestimated in ukraine, for me, well, the evidence of this is actually those people from that village who did not even understand what was happening. the village of rudnya, chernihiv region, if you want to be more specific, watch yuki's documentary tape, it can now be found on mgogo, on the megogo service, on the megogo service, search for this tape,

check again if we were not mistaken, and listen, well, nesterenko street. should have appeared at least in this village, decommunization is going on in our country now, we found out that pushkin and i are just a sown country, well, we have, we have, listen, we have, we have, some other third history, well, relatively speaking, our country is just sown now, well, we won’t move shevchenko anymore, although i also don’t understand why we should have, for example, shevchenko street in every settlement, well, that’s okay , it can be, kobzar, the founder nation, there are no questions, fine, but in us , for example, in each, in each... in each city there will be, for example, a street there, i don't know, vinnychenko, but there will not be some street of a local hero of the same times as vynnychenko was there, because vynnychenko is actually a controversial figure, you want vynnychenko, okay, but you may not want vynnychenko, that's also normal, vynnychenko, i remember who said that our national

state after a few years of national states in the world already it won't be, but what about vavnychenko, who couldn't. to stand, for example, next to during the act, the delegation heard the sounds of the proclamation because there were priests there and there was some kind of service, and it terribly oppressed him, because he was such a convinced atheist, he is ours, that's all, but here you don't even have to go there to the chernihiv region, i still have a big, well, big misunderstanding, why in ukraine there is no attempt to use it in a pleasant light, i mean... now i mean the figure of voinograchka, where are his roots from, his grandmother from ternopil region, and his grandfather from the territory of beristei region, it is between chernihiv and the territory of belarus, that is banal, you come to toronto, you come to his hometown, there is a whole avenue named after wayne gretzky, there

is a sports complex named after veinogratzky, why can't we use all our resources? including a political one, and to bring the military to ukraine, to lay the first stone of some kind of sports ice arena and to name it in honor of vein greek, well, it is at least after my grandmother from pod gaitsy, podgaitsy, ternopil region, listen, you have a greek street, i think that also, we recently spoke in a slightly different context, but talked about the legacy of bruno schulz in ukraine, and for... poland, he became such a national, very important writer, they are now doing a lot about bruno schulz and so on, and with all that bruno schulz knew ukrainian, e- eh... the fact that he wrote in polish, being a jew, again by origin, and he was always a jewish writer, and that's why all the frescoes were taken away from you there, he

was taken there, taking advantage of the bad 90s, and so on. but also, that is, apart from drohobych, there is not even one anywhere mentions of brun shultz, for example, i learned with surprise, and i don’t know if it is also an address to oksen lisovoy or to mykhailo vinnytskyi, that in our country, for example, it is not studied in school, and in our country people on... with good humanitarian by education, if they are not from the western regions, even from the west, they may not even know such a brunoshuts, a brunoshuts, who he is, who he is, and he is like a caucasian, seriously, this is a person whom, well, the poles consider the greatest writer of the 20th century who wrote in the polish language and not for nothing, his so is considered such, but it turns out that no one needs him, the same finger. the greatest austrian poet , or, well, that is, who lived in chernivtsi, and that 's how it was, well, and he lived, and he lived here , and that's yesenin - let's talk, do we need

yesenin in ukrainian or not, here it's just important to understand that such a person is not simple time, we also need to give these people an incentive, an incentive and a desire to continue helping ukraine, because when they see that they don't care here, they don't care. and you apply personally, there, you say you can conditionally help raise money there, buy a bus for some hockey club so that the children have the opportunity to go to training, and they look at you with such incomprehension, and in principle there is nothing to argue about, but if at the state level they felt, at least the desire... to establish this communication, then yuki's film in the context of cultural diplomacy is the first thing that should be used, that's why i'm actually saying that

i have a strong feeling that this film itself is underrated in ukraine, dear friends, a documentary film yuki on mego's platform, or volodymyr mula's book , wayne called me on the basis of this documentary . written: read, look , you don't like to read, look, you don't like to look , read, but you like both, you can combine one and the other, those villages that we mentioned today, take note, we gave you a little tip , i think that if you wanted to consult with volodymyr, then you can turn to volodymyr, especially, look, for example, i turned to volodymyr, i can say, since when i collected books for military personnel who have lost limbs and are undergoing rehabilitation. in a rehabilitation center near lviv, collected books and asked, volodymyr was just preparing his book, asked if it was possible for the military, volodymyr said, of course, that it was possible, as soon as it came out, i would immediately

pass it on hot off the press, so that's for sure such a book will be in the rehabilitation center, it will go, i hope, maybe this week, or maybe next, i will take it to the boys, i think they will be interested in reading about it, and thanks to volodymyr, the presentation is today will be in lviv, in the center of sheptytsk, yes, in the center of sheptytsk, 6:30 p.m. i sincerely invite all lviv residents, because this is really not a sports story at all, it is more a story about our culture, about our heritage and how you need to find motivation and move towards your goal when everything is against you. thank you, volodymyr, volodymyr mula, director and writer, was our guest today, thank you to all our viewers for being with us today, thank you for the donations that you are transferring, do not stop, that during of the day also transfer. 3852 hryvnias, thank you all, see you tomorrow at 7:10, papa-paa

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