without ukraine. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next hour, we talk about ukraine, the world, the war and our victory, and of course, about zaluzhny's resignation. today in the program. putin steps on the fifth, while the issue of aid to ukraine is stuck in congress, a scandalous american journalist interviewed the russian dictator: whose side is america on? duda believes trump's orders to end the war in 24 hours. meanwhile, polish farmers renewed the blockade the ukrainian border. what is happening in ukrainian-polish relations? putin's re-election to victory. the permanent dictator in

russia is being purged of competitors, will voting in the occupied territories affect the legitimacy of the president. we will talk about this, as well as the rotation of the head of the armed forces of ukraine, today for the next hour with our guests, people's deputy of ukraine iryna friz and politician-diplomat valery chaly. but before we start our big talk, let's watch a video of how in fact, fighters of the ninth separate motorized infantry battalion vinnytsia scythians destroy one of the new russian t-80 tanks protected by a grill and the kontakt-1 dynamic protection complex near nevelsky, donetsk region. let's see.

in the course of this program, we are conducting a survey, today we are your friends, we are asking you whether you support the appointment of sirskyi as the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine. if you vote on youtube, it's pretty simple, yes, no, choose, or write your comment under this video, what do you think about the rotation of the assistant and about the appointment of syr'. if you are watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phones and vote if you support the appointment of syrian as the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine 0800 211 3871 or 0800 211382, all calls to these numbers are free. so, today president zelenskyy dismissed valery zaluzhny from the position of commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, replacing him with colonel-general oleksandr syrsky, who... until now held the position

of commander of the ground forces of the armed forces of ukraine, zelensky announced this in his evening address, let's listen to the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine. i am grateful to general zaluzhny for two years of protection. i am grateful for every victory we achieved together and thanks to all ukrainian soldiers who are heroically fighting this war . frankly. today we talked about the need for changes in the army, urgent changes. i offered general zaluzhny to be in the team of the ukrainian state in the future. i will be grateful for his consent. today i decided the decision to renew the leadership of the armed forces of ukraine. starting today , a new management team will take over the leadership of the armed forces of ukraine. i want the vision of the war to be the same for our soldiers in ...

sweatshop or audievka and for the general staff and the adjutant, everyone whose experience will now serve to renew the armed forces is carefully selected. i had dozens of conversations with commanders of various levels, in particular, today i spoke with brigadier generals andriy hnatov, mykhailo drapaty, igor skibyuk, and colonels pavel palisa and vadim sukharevsky, all of them. are being considered for leadership positions in the army and will serve under the leadership of the most experienced ukrainian commander, combat commander, colonel-general oleksandr syrskyi. he has successful defense experience, conducted the kyiv defense operation, he also has successful offensive experience of the kharkiv liberation operation. i appointed colonel-general syrskyi as the chief.'

it is not known for certain what claims president zelensky had against the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny. at least in this in the appeal, zelenskyi did not in any way slander about what general zaluzhnyi, and even better, colonel-general oleksandr esyrskyi, did wrong. in his post, valery zaluzhnyi briefly commented on the reasons for his resignation. the tasks of 2022 are different from the tasks of 2024. therefore, everyone must change and adapt to new realities as well. to win together too. we just met with the supreme commander, an important and serious conversation, a decision was made about the need to change approaches and strategy, written by valery zaluzhnyi. it is still unknown whether he will remain in volodymyr zelenskyi's team and in what position. it is known that a week

ago, when information first appeared that zelensky was going to dismiss the deputy, there were different options. the future, the continuation of the future career for zaluzhny, is an ambassador in one of the countries of the north atlantic alliance, or an adviser to the president of ukraine. at the moment when zelenskyy is talking to zaluzhny, he himself, the head of the armed forces of ukraine, did not accept any proposals, that is, he did not submit an application about resignation, and the president actually signed the dismissal decree, as i understand it, without... a statement from the employee. who is sirsky? sirsky is the commander of the ground forces of the armed forces of ukraine. he was born on july 26 , 1965 in the village of novinky, vladimir region, russia. and in russia, by the way, he

graduated from the higher military command school. he studied in moscow in 1986 and graduated there . he is older than himself. luzhny, because luzhny had already graduated from the ukrainian university and not from the soviet one, he graduated from the syrian one soviet university, a higher military command school, then his service took place on the territory of the ukrainian soviet socialist republic, where he actually met independence, and after the declaration of independence he served in the national guard, later in the armed forces of ukraine, graduated from the academy of the armed forces of ukraine in... in 2005 , the national defense university, and since the 2000s he commanded the 72nd mechanized brigade, was included in ukraine's cooperation with nato. in the winter of 2015, he was one of the main commanders of the ato during fighting for debaltseve, he managed to withdraw the then

ukrainian group from the city, which was almost surrounded by the russians. for this operation, sirskyi was awarded the order of bohdan khmelnytskyi from 2016. he headed the joint operational headquarters that coordinated the actions of the ukrainian military in the donbas, from the 19th year he led the ground forces, which marked the actual new commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, the defense of kyiv and the liberation of kharkiv oblast. for the defense of kyiv, he was awarded the title of hero of ukraine, there were disputes with oleksandr syrskyi and valery zaluzhnyi. due to different views on what should be done with bakhmut, first, whether it was worth leaving the city earlier in the winter of the 23rd year, and then whether it was worth attacking the city already in the summer and autumn of the 23rd year in parallel with the counteroffensive in the south in the 23rd year, syrskyi commanded

the eastern group of troops, which fought in cooler areas of the front, the battle of bakhmut was under his responsibility. new york times, said that in the summer of the 23rd year , during one of the meetings, american strategists strongly advised zaluzhny to focus on a breakthrough in the southern direction, and not to scatter resources between the southern and eastern directions. according to sources, zaluzhny agreed with this, however , the ukrainian army continued its offensive on bakhmut, and syrsky was in favor of this special operation, well, besides... he was one of those people who actively communicated with the president's office even before zaluzhny's resignation from his post the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, he was called the successor of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine

zaluzhnyi, he has very good contacts with zelenskyi’s team, well, actually, this is obvious and decided the fate of the chair of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine and the fate of valery zaluzhnyi and... the fate of oleksandr syrskyi, that’s the story, the long story about oleksandr syrskyi, what kind of commander-in-chief he will be . obviously, we will still see how syrsky will be perceived in the army, in society, and in the west in general, because the western partners are our main partners now, forgive me for this taftology in the war against the russian federation, and we have already contacted iryna friz, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and... intelligence, ms. iryna, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today, good evening, invitation,

ms. iryna, please tell me, do you know the reasons for valery zaluzhny's resignation? no, i know, and it still seems that the decree has not yet been published, and precisely because the decree has not been published, which clearly states the reasons for the dismissal, from my point of view, this is a completely wrong decision, because, by and large on account of the resignation for... ms. iryna , please tell me how you perceive the foot of the new commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, have you already had a conversation with him, do you have any idea what kind of general he is and , in fact, for what he is surrendered, how is he better than diligent? i think that the results of his activities should prove better or not better. in his current position, on the other hand, i believe that

general syrskyi will have big problems, because the tasks outlined by zelenskyi in his report on him, without availability of financial and monetary support for these goals, which are defined as priority, is extremely rare. your name for implementation, therefore i believe that the appointment of mr. syrsky and the results of his activity in this position are all the consequences of the decision made by the president, responsibility in full for which he bears from now on. please, mrs. iryna, tell me the vision for 2024 that volodymyr mentioned today. about the fact that there must be some kind of vision, does this mean that syrsky's vision is different from the vision

dear, if they were members of the same team, and obviously they were, then how do these visions differ, and in this case, is this vision for 2024, or should it be reported to your parliamentary committee, which actually is, which is a profile in in this situation , you know, it is... there is manipulation, because the vision that the supreme commander -in-chief the president has and that must be implemented by the head, regardless of the surname, who will be there and who is there and who was there, it must be approved and to be discussed at the stake, so when the president was running away for more than six months political responsibility. for making changes to mobilization issues, translated it to the military, then i want to emphasize that any

mobilization, which, about which zaluzhnyi spoke, any, uh, any amount of human human resources, from which mobilization forces are formed the named reserves were actually calculated based on the tasks assigned to him by the highest supreme military aviation. management, that is , the military performs those tasks that are approved at the rate under the leadership of the president, so it is necessary to take, have courage and take responsibility , show leadership in difficult issues, and not chase ratings and those who can in one way or another have a higher rating than, for example, the president, but on the other hand, after the appointment of syrsky, it is important. commander of the armed forces of ukraine, and after the release of zaluzhny, most

of the responsibility, or the lion's share of this responsibility for the situation at the front, now falls on zelenskyi, because he will share this responsibility with syrsky, that is, if he could say that zaluzhny did something did it wrong, now in this situation, after the dismissal of the general, who was trusted a lot both in society and in the army. well, in principle, he will now have to share successes and defeats with syrsky, do i understand correctly? absolutely correct, and what in this situation, diligent? will do, because it is still unclear whether he will remain in president zelenskyi's team, or whether he will engage in teaching activities, as he said, take care of his health, and perhaps even create some political force, because the trust rating for zaluzhnyi was and remains high enough, will this trust rating go away from him after he is no longer the head

of the armed forces of ukraine, because many experts explained that this rating... trust, this is a trust rating not the same as for zaluzhny, as for the armed forces forces of ukraine. zaluzhny will not lose his trust rating, because he with honor and dignity went through all that extremely difficult time for the state, holding the position of the head commissar, and left this position with honor, saving face, unlike the authorities, which arranged a brutal series of beatings, humiliation and... deviating merits of the head of the committee, which he performed during his tenure, so i am sure that questions about the further actions of mr. zaluzhnyi should probably be asked to him in the first place, because he defines his vision in relation to his fate, as far as trust is concerned, then i i am sure that it will not go anywhere, because the level of trust both in the armed

forces of ukraine, in the defense sector, and in the society will be preserved. thank you, ms. iryna, this was iryna friz, people's deputy of ukraine. friends, so there was a rotation, and the head coach was changed armed forces of ukraine. general valery zaluzhny headed the armed forces of ukraine from 2021, in 2022 he entered the list of the 100 most influential people in the world according to the magazine. let us briefly recall the combat path of the legendary general. valery zaluzhny was determined from an early age, because he was brought up in a military family, already at an adult age he passed all stages of his dream career. in july 2021, the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, appointed valery zaluzhnyi as the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine. zaluzhnyi became the face of our struggle and the main terror of the russian invaders. from

the beginning, the invaders invented fables about the disappearance and death of zaluzhnyi. since 2014 . the general took part in the battles in donbas and even then was sure that a full-scale russian offensive was inevitable. the american media politico wrote that the commander will become a legendary figure in the history of ukraine, because the successes of the ukrainian army surprised the whole world. american general mark milley was of the same opinion. when the history of the war in ukraine will be written, zaluzhny will play a prominent role there. he was a part of ukrainian management that spent. on the transformation of the country's army from a clumsy soviet model to a modern combat force, hardened by years of fighting russia on the eastern front, he belongs to a new generation of ukrainian leaders. zaluzhny, the first ukrainian commander-in-chief without a soviet education, his vision of the ukrainian army meets nato standards, so western colleagues and

partners especially respect the ukrainian general, consider him a strong and influential ally. in october 2000. on the 22nd, general zaluzhnyi was included in the hundred most influential people of the world according to the american magazine, although he is called an iron general, the ukrainian military respects and trusts him. everyone in the family is friendly, you and he and i, our father is hard-working, zsu is a family. we have a strong spirit, we have a toga in our heads, we will be in moscow if we give an order. so, personnel rotation took place, it is not yet known whether valery zaluzhnyi will work in volodymyr zelenskyi’s team, i understood that the president offered him to work in his team, if this happens, then obviously we we will witness a new personnel

appointment, if there is no such personnel appointment, obviously zaluzhnyi will be engaged in teaching. as he said, and he said that he needs to rest a little and improve his health, obviously, obviously, we will see valery zaluzhny again in ukrainian politics, because he has a high enough trust rating from the people, we understand that there are not many such generals in ukraine, but to put it simply, he is the only one, you see, songs are written about him, poems are dedicated to him, paintings are dedicated to him, zaluzhny, and indeed he became a people 's general, an iron general , as he is called, who did a lot for ukraine in this difficult time, the first two years of the great war, this is a long enough period for zaluzhny to show himself as

the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, the most difficult time he was in the position of the head of the armed forces of ukraine, as for what kind of head syrsky will be, it is still difficult to say about it, but he was close to the hall. and was part of valery zaluzhny's team, and obviously, obviously, he will conduct the same policy, but at least there will not be any sharp movements to the left or right, the policy that has been in the armed forces of ukraine until now. and we already have a politician, diplomat, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine in the united states of america in 2015-19 valery chaly in contact. mr. valery, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, quite a difficult informational evening today, so forgive me for joining our

conversation so late, but i had to tell you about these staff rotations that took place at the level commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine. how will the rotation of the head of state and the change of zaluzhny to syrsky affect our relations with the outside world, how does the world perceive it, do they perceive it exclusively as an internal matter of ukraine, and they will communicate with any general in the same way as with zaluzhny, because we have very a lot of international partners in various formats, but zaluzhny is an understandable head for them, and syrsky is still a new head, and you will have to get used to him? with your permission, i'll just tell you what was first heard in the foreign media, so far it's just right you explained. situation, what is everyone focusing on? the wall street journal , it seems, was the first to even publish that it was done, this, well, this is a decision, let’s say,

because we don’t know yet, i haven’t seen the decrees, nor how it will change, as they say, with the bank, what now there will be some changes in the approaches of the armed forces, i... i don’t even see everything, but what they are already saying, well, after the official announcements of the president of ukraine zelenskyi, by appointment, they say that the worst time is chosen for the worst in conditions like wall street journal writes, in conditions where the russians provide additional forces, attack, and ukraine has a blocked decision in the us congress on aid, well, to be honest. well , it is difficult to really imagine such a moment as the worst for such a decision, well, this is what we hear from the outside, but well

, we see another fragment of this mosaic that is being assembled, that is, this is the resignation of the hard-working, this night there should be a big two-hour interview of carlson, this a former fox news anchor, and that... will also obviously play against ukraine during the trial aid to ukraine, why, why, why so synchronously, did it coincide, so why these two events, they do not strengthen us, but weaken us? well, in russia, strangely enough, they are rejoicing for something, why we do not understand, because general syrsky, in principle, he took the same way now. participation in all the operations and why they started to rejoice more i still don’t understand, but i think that general syrsky will show them in principle in business

that they rejoice early, but because they evaluate there by the perebrik, they say, that now it is done today, by the president of the country, the very announcement of this decision, well, i hope there will be decrees officially , somehow we will see that it is to interrupt the interview, so i ... carson with their head, well, it's actually funny, because about interrupting the interview, because first of all, there's a lot of informational other events today, today there's literally just a case at the supreme court of the united states, it 's just the hearing there next will be with donald trump on whether to remove him from the ballot in colorado, at least because of certain , well, like a beast'. corresponding with the claim for his actions there during the previous election campaign, this evening has the greatest resonance in the united states, of course

it will. an interview with putin is predicted there, but we all understand the message, it will really have an effect on cementing this and that group of viewers of tucker carlson, who, by the way, really wants to become vice president together with donald trump, he does everything for this, russia pursues its goals, but i think that this court hearing will in many ways stop today. attention to information, and, of course, it should also be understood here that all this distracts attention to ukrainian affairs, in this regard, if someone chose the moment so that there would be less reaction in the usa, then they chose the moment, maybe they stopped, but nevertheless, that will be all the next to be considered weeks, why weeks, because despite the fact that the senate

decided today. procedural to help ukraine there is a new package of 95 billion, ukraine, taiwan and israel, but this is all a procedural decision, i will say right away, it is a good decision, procedural, because it stopped the filibuster option, it the filibuster is such an american tradition that it is possible in the senate, where, unlike the house of representatives, there is a limited time in... representatives are limited in the senate, there is no limited time for consideration, that is, if you consider the filibuster procedure, then you can talk for days discussing the issue, record one senator, 24 hours and 18 minutes to achieve in this regard, but today they stopped it, transferred the procedure to the vote in the next period, well, that is, this is the next period - it is after their recession, they have a pause there and

in... in two weeks probably can to vote, the house of representatives, while the attitude of the chairman or the speaker of the house of representatives, mike johnson, who listens a lot to donald trump, has not changed at all , so in fact, we will see the situation in the country tomorrow or the day after tomorrow in the newspapers and we will see a few more analytical articles, i don't think that this greatly contributes to the support of aid to ukraine. unfortunately, that is, but now there is a lot of such news, which, frankly, i wish they could be at another time, and i would like to say only one thing about the decision itself of president volodymyr zelenskyi, it is obvious that he has the right to this, legal, well , legitimacy and legal decisions, these are slightly different aspects, but it is written.

that's all, i'll say the only thing, i was once on an american aircraft carrier, when i was there for the first time, i 'll tell you honestly, i was surprised that the captain of the aircraft carrier did not interfere in the activities of the ship, that is, the wing carrier, that is , there are about nine squadrons, 70- 80 aircraft, this is commanded by a separate state, separate, as a rule, also with experience not only. tion, but wider, but it gives teams, and if the planes are not present on the aircraft carrier, they are not based there, then the aircraft carrier does not have its effectiveness, therefore, in principle, the main thing here is not only to replace some one person or put another one, that is, we understand that this happens in the most difficult times, and the whole structure will change.

therefore, such an example shows how much everything must be done on time and coordinated, and the americans are not so stupid that they do not subordinate, say, the same commander of an aircraft carrier wing to the captain of an aircraft carrier, and i spoke for both, and they are fine it is taken absolutely, because they see the only tasks in coordination in the overall system, and if this system works, if there is supply, and there are also supply ships, and the whole aircraft carrier group that provides this, there are ships that provide supplies, then, well, the base is there, if the whole system is working, then everything is fine, but if one of the links falls out, then i think that creates a certain vulnerability of this system, so i really wish that we would not get, before the enemy, the vulnerability

of our system.