the areas we are working on in the framework of the action plan will directly contribute to the accession negotiations, starting with major reforms such as judicial and constitutional reforms, continuing with work in the field of media, as well as the development of local self-government, reforming municipalities and so on. after the start of russia's full-scale invasion of ukraine in 2022, the council of europe became... the first and in fact the only major international organization to almost immediately exclude russia from its membership, but now the question of responsibility is becoming increasingly acute: how to punish the leaders of russia and belarus for starting a war against ukraine and crimes against humanity. what can the council of europe do, what is it already doing? the word responsibility became the key from the morning until... february 24

, 2022, when this terrible morning began with the illegal aggression of the russian federation against ukraine. it was very obvious that the council of europe had to send a signal, either russia would stop its aggression and withdraw its troops, or it would be expelled from the organization. of course, they did not listen to anyone and were excluded from the record terms this is the first time in the history of the council of europe that such a decision has been made, and i am very proud. this is one of the areas where we demonstrated what responsibility is. another direction is to immediately begin assisting the prosecutor general of ukraine in collecting evidence that may be used in court or other proceedings in the future, as there was a serious threat of losing some of it. in the meantime, we created a loss register, which was and remains today the first among. the people's mechanism of

prosecution, that is, we reinforced ours words with actions, the register is designed to collect evidence about losses, injuries or damages that have been caused to individual individuals or the state of ukraine by the terrible actions of the russian federation. of course, the loss register should be part of the overall compensation mechanism, this is only the first part, there are two others that need to be implemented. the council of europe was a participant in the initiative when the first reflections began on how we can best contribute to the creation of a special tribunal on the crime of aggression. and i think the fact that the international criminal court took certain steps, issuing warrants for the arrest of putin and his cobblers, and indeed that. has become

one of the right lines on the road to prosecution, but going back to the ad hoc tribunal, we have been working together with our experts for some time as part of a core group of countries interested in the idea of ​​a tribunal. we have particular expertise in evidence collection, procedural matters, and the transfer of criminal proceedings. time will tell how best to approach this, but it is encouraging. what are the latest news about the register losses, when it will become operational, when citizens of ukraine can start submitting applications to the registry? let me start by mentioning the summit of the heads of states and governments of the council of europe. since

may, several more important steps have been taken: the first is the creation of a conference of participants, a body that includes 44 participants, 43 member states and the european union. it is important that among these 43 states are all members of the big seven. the second important body of the registry is: the board, which consists of seven members, who were chosen from among the leading of lawyers nominated by the conference of participants, the former president of the european court of human rights, robert spano, was elected as the president. of course, we have a director nominated by the conference of participants, and we have also located the registry in the hague, because the city of the hague is the center of international justice. the netherlands expressed its desire.

to have our own registry, and we did it, and we also wanted to open a representative office of the registry in kyiv from the very beginning, and now we are already on the way to this, we hope that already in april the registry... will be able to accept the first applications, it is very important that the register starts work now, but it is equally important to think about the next stages now: the first stage is the registration of claims, but then it is very important to create an appropriate commission for the consideration of complaints and an appropriate fund for compensation, according to the submitted applications. accountability is an absolute prerequisite for achieving a just peace in the future, and the registry is one. of extremely important steps in this direction. and where do you expect to get these funds for compensation? these will be frozen assets russia, or something else? the council of europe leads and

will continue to lead the work on the management of the register of losses, but with regard to the creation of a general compensation mechanism, decisions must be made by the participating states of this process. in a wider context. we would very much like to be part of this process as well, since its connection with the registry is key. i think that the participants who will work on the creation of a common compensation mechanism will find funding for it through joint efforts. speaking of the international tribunal for putin and lukashenka, or are you discussing with the un or other international this discussion is currently taking place at the level of experts within the framework of the main group of states i mentioned. at present, the moment has not yet come

when the members of the core group will finally decide how and when to establish the tribunal. it is always important to involve as many international organizations as possible in such a process. including judicial institutions such as the icc and others. i think that a wider discussion about what would be the best solution and how to go about it, once agreement is reached, will lend legitimacy to the future tribunal when it formed. therefore, it is good that the discussions are thorough and that all possible ways of creating the tribunal are really considered, this is necessary so that after the final decision is made, it can'. to function effectively,

i welcome you, dear tv viewers, on the espresso tv channel, studio zahid program, we will analyze the most important events. this week and, of course, we will try to predict what the following days will bring us. our guests today: oleg rybachuk and colonel vladyslav seleznyov. now oleg will be working on the espresso tv channel hrybachuk, former head of president viktor yushchenko's secretariat, former vice-prime minister for european integration, co-founder of the chesno movement. glory to ukraine, mr. olezh, i congratulate you. glory to the heroes, death to the enemies, we'll talk later. we understand that the case is not simple. personnel, it is about a political and possibly geopolitical matter. the foreign press writes much more and much more precisely and in much more detail than the ukrainian press. and we understand that, rather, a big , big internal conflict is brewing, which will happen

to try, of course, to swing from all sides. well, first of all, it is about our enemy. so, what do you think is happening in the case of chairman zaluzhnyi and president zelenskyi? reacted publicly to this situation, and it was clear to me, as a person who knows the bank, these processes, how it happens there, that the question of resignation is only a matter of time, that is, the imminence of resignation is absolutely clear to me, and to a logical question , but what are they thinking, i can say that every politician has the constitutional right... in ukraine and in the world to choose the path of political suicide himself, and the president has this right, this is his constitutional right, no matter how much you and i analyze the pros and cons here, about a year ago, as experts from the inner circle said

, andriy, well, this is the same andriy yermak, drew the attention of the president and all his friends to the ratings of the hard worker, and they were right, and somehow we did not think, but really, look at what is being done, and now a year has passed and the whispers ended with a completely natural result, count, try to convince, hope for something wonder, i would not... become, well , because, well, i repeat, because it is the constitutional right of the president, he has such a right, and as the western media write, conflicts between the top political leadership and the top military, this is practically an inevitable thing, there are different cultures , different ambitions, different understandings, but in such conflicts the military always loses, well, because... there is a president, he appoints, he fires, here we have nothing to add, public

opinion, appeals to western partners, western partners reacted, through the mouth of the spokesman of the white house, well, quite expectedly, that this is your internal ukrainian problem, i already had more than one conversation, right in front of you, i talked there with a correspondent from paris, i had several conversations with western agencies, so they... understand, they are alarmed, but they have something like this the situation is that this is an internal ukrainian problem, and they hope that this problem will be solved with honor, we also understand the risks very well, but i repeat, you and i are like that here, we are, we are so smart here, we are sitting weevils, i i think that there are also, well no no, or not all are stupid, i have one question in... it arises, they didn’t foresee the option that the person involved will refuse to play along and submit

a statement, a statement on style, i don’t understand this for sure, there should be noted communicators, pr people, they are all from god, because if there is a leak, if it happened, i have there is no doubt that the conversation took place, if such a conversation took place, well, it was not possible to foresee that the zaluzhne would refuse and not take this week, about which siyan says that this week it will ... the resignation will happen, in a word , it's clear to me that the script probably didn't go as smoothly as i wanted to, it’s clear to me that this is a political mistake, i have no doubt about it, i honestly don’t understand what the people who say, maybe they will be sobered up, who will be sobered up and what they will be sobered up, hope for, how about you can you imagine, here you are the president, i am there... a military man, a military right-hand man, the chief defense adviser, you call me,

tell me about my resignation, i refuse, and then we continue to cooperate as if nothing had happened, yes does not happen, it does not happen in much more mature political institutions, and obviously, this cannot be the case in the banking atmosphere that currently prevails there in this ermachatnik, who a year ago started talking about ambitions and again in ukrainian. history, the history of ukrainian presidents , such a situation was repeated more than once, when , for example, tymoshenko's conditional imprisonment in prison obviously promised to be a downfall for yanukovych, and he understood it, because i once told you, he told me, not yet being prime minister, he told for a long time what mistake kuchna made when he put his opponent in prison, well we well, we are not talking about prison with an addict, but we are talking about how you act, the president is with someone you don't like, and yanukovych then clearly said that the best way

to neutralize tymoshenko is to simply, well , not touch her, because she it is like a plant without the sun withers in an information blockade, but then he became the president, planted it and that was the end of it. the situation with yushchenko and kuchma is very similar, when i had a conversation with pinchuk, when it was already clear that it was a matter of resignation, i told him: "well, listen, then you you are resigning the prime minister who liked being the prime minister, now a couple of months will pass, the parliamentary elections are starting, well , we will go to the parliamentary elections, we will definitely win these elections, and then yushchenko will be the president, why are you doing this, what it seemed clear to me, they didn't understand , but this story repeats itself, i'm not saying that zaluzhny will necessarily make a political career there, i don't know at all what kind of politician he is, he's not very public anymore... he enough, he is like that, he, he is like that, well, the creator of our imagination, and in ukrainian history

lutsenko often became like that, then there, well, i don't know, then tigipko was such a leader, klitschko was, aristovych was a year ago, that is, you see that there are unknown trajectories, that's why we are with you we cannot project the future fate, but what makes this situation particularly expressive, we have a war, we cannot afford it. you see this situation only in the categories of the political process, well, because de facto our political process is quite stable, it is almost non-existent, that is, there are issues of the government, issues of the office. and so on and so forth, it is not about politics, it is about certain functions that are performed, but the issue of war, the issue of responsibility that will lie on very specific people who would dare to take this responsibility on themselves, and in any in any case, we understand that in addition to the commander -in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, there is also the supreme

commander-in-chief, and here questions may arise, in particular from our partners, it is clear that this event, well, first of all, when we appeal to our partners and say , people are kind, what do you do there, how much can you do there to coordinate there, to avoid escalation, the war is already breaking at your door, and you are doing stupid things, so the war is already in our house, and we do not deny ourselves the opportunity to engage in internal stupid things, but as such, created on a fairly level ground, but again , if we analyze the western ... partners, then yes, zaluzhny has great authority there among the military leadership, but in the western military it is in principle a taboo, they understand these rules, the western military, we are not, no, no, not latin america , we have a junta, juntas are not practiced, our practice is excellent, and so the western

military will work with whoever comes in, that is, even if they like it... but what's happening is that it's such a pivotal moment in the war with all these american dances, who we give arguments in favor of supporting or not supporting ukraine, of course, as always, we create a problem not for our opponents, but we create a problem for our friends, this is also our infamous tradition, to make life difficult for our friends, during discussions in the congress, there are all kinds of orbans with fiats in the european the union, it takes some time to revive... this relationship, it takes some time to work effectively again on a personal level, this cooperation between the new commander-in-chief and his colleagues among nato countries, it takes time that we don't have, and that is happening at an almost critical moment, when tomorrow the european union will make a decision on financing ukraine there,

i think that it will inevitably be positive, i have become more careful with forecasts... of american aid, because they have already openly started talking there, not even though disguised, they began to openly say that we cannot sign this agreement, because it is a gift to biden, but it is better to wait until trump becomes president, he will come and solve everything, they did not even begin to hide it, i do not know how it will end, but still a week ago, there were more optimistic scenarios , there were signals that an agreement was about to be reached, and there was the impression that indeed american flights... which are competing for the one who is better prepared for the challenges of illegal migration there, and it turns out that it is not about migration at all, it is about what is not is it possible to give such a trump card to a political opponent, if we are such a trump card for him, then why should we go to the elections? this is roughly the logic of the american political elites, the republicans, not only that, but i was absolutely killed by the decision of the oklahoma

republican party, which threatened its senator. for the fact that he publicly supported the need for an agreement and the introduction of an aid package to ukraine and others, as treason against candidate trump, and they threatened him with stopping funding, well, that's already called for me, get out, the beautiful people's governor of the state of texas, and accordingly 25 other governors who supported him in his unstoppable desire to use the american... constitution for its purpose, whose border is his power, whose power, that's the border, and we understand that the situation in the states is much less stable than we would like or think. let's project to what, to the fact that trump actually, having lost the elections in the 20th year, still did not recognize the results, now he actually

threatened that in the event that his victory will not be recognized, then these 20... five states, these are national, that is, he actually threatened to split the country, it is not a civil war, as rusnyak tries to say, but by undermining the foundations of democracy and not being punished for for the fact that he actually supported the coup d'état, treason on january 6, now trump is already openly calling on his supporters with weapons in their hands to defend their truth, and the truth is... you all know that the victory was stolen from me, and further on in the text , so now it turns out the situation when we go to the elections, and regardless of what will happen in the elections, you can confidently predict... what will happen next to american democracy, and american democracy has not had such risks, well, probably since the time of its foundation state

, there was no such thing in the time of abraham rincoln, yes, a very serious split, and here, in the current situation of american turbulence, uncontrollable emotional initiatives appear in us, well, i am still bigger, maybe an optimist, i want to believe that it can somehow it will not go beyond the stage. which described at one time, mykola vasyliovych gogol, an outstanding ukrainian writer, in his outstanding work, you remember how ivan ivanovich quarreled with ivan nikifurovich, and no matter what was done, the rift deepened, but this can have consequences in the moods, which are called that the military command, generals, generals are people who perceive the situation through the prism of war, through. through the prism of death, through the prism of provision and trust, well, it must be said that this factor, including openly analyzed in the western media, in

because among the ukrainian military , the authority of the brave is very high, for various reasons, again, i do not know him, you do not know him, he is not public, but obviously you and i are not in the armed forces, we do not feel this style on our own skin, and they feel and... in particular, they say that there are attempts to put the commander of the ground forces there - this is an absolutely unacceptable situation, although it is a favorite, in particular, of the office of the president and the same fair, and this is a serious issue, because i do not think, again, we not latin america, our military, they as patriotic as possible, they will fulfill their obligations, but the peculiarity of the model of the current government, this team... which came to the bank, is that it barely does anything, not barely, but it measures the public mood on a daily basis, and of course they have

a certain program, where approximately it will be deployed according to such a scenario that after the dismissal of the employee, there will be a whole information campaign, a storm, i don't know, an information typhoon, which will try to transfer to the team. not only on zaluzhn, on his team, because there on release his deputies always go to the chairman, and there will be this attempt to transfer responsibility , and society is ready for this attempt, and the government is preparing for this attempt, but the moment of trust is definitely not on the side of the government, then, sooner or later, we will have elections, and i again, i affirm that our military, they will be faithful to their oath, they will not... undermine the country's defense capabilities, they will defend their freedom, protect their families, their lands, but the moment will come, the moment of elections, and here in ukraine , because

this french colleague of yours tried to me ask if i am not afraid of authoritarianism , the return of authoritarianism in ukraine, and i will honestly tell you that i was during yanukovych's time, especially, personally i was not afraid, i saw that many ukrainians saw not what we... assessed, we understood the threats, but for us it was not a question of retreating, because authoritarianism is at risk, responsibility in every democracy, you have to go to the elections and you have to get a vote of confidence from the voters, here i have serious problems, serious questions, i don't know , how will it end in terms of military tactics, well, hypothetically, well, maybe, maybe something will be better, because you and i understand that there are enough problems in the ministry of defense, and the military... will tell you how much is being done wrong, but we are talking about that the responsibility will not succeed, it will not be possible to transfer it to any of the faraways there or the ermaks will not

be able to transfer the responsibility from the side, from the shoulders of politicians to the shoulders of the military, this will definitely not be accepted by society, because everyone understands that the military in order to fulfill the tasks tasks before them, they must have these resources, if you set them the task of knocking out the enemy from the territory of the country, and not providing them with resources, then somewhere in one of the publications it was said that the official directly told the minister of defense, well, what is your task, that is, providing - this is your political task, my task is to fight with the resources that i have at my disposal, and the military understands this perfectly, and there is no other way to interpret it, the general staff cannot take on the problems of provisioning. resource, mobilization, military, political, everything it can be done when you work as a team, and i repeat, since there is no such team anymore,

i simply cannot imagine the possibility. of strategic cooperation between the supreme commander and the commander-in-chief, when they already had such a conversation istanbul, which may be happening now in istanbul, because putin is going to erdogan in the coming weeks, yes, and we understand that they will talk not only about the affairs of the caucasus and not only about the affairs of the middle east, we understand that putin will try to use erdogan for his own purposes, but also from... erdogan will try to do something symmetrical with putin, and of course they will also talk about the black sea transit. well, what can i say , yes, erdogan, he secured probably his last presidency, i don't think even he thinks he can go for another term, it was the toughest race for him and he politically calm, that is, he can take risks, what else putin can offer him, and i don't

know god. but i know what america is offering him, for example, america is offering him to sign contracts for the supply of f-35s, which now there the americans have sold turkey's sworn partners to the greeks, and nato partners , and the americans are waiting for the s-400s that erdogan bought, i think there are eight or so divisions that he bought from russia, and which turned out to be far away not a miracle weapon. that these installations may end up in some third country, and then end up in ukraine. this is what i see, i see what america offers and what erdogan has to weigh, and i do not understand what putin would offer him, where he would have advantages, because i know the mentality well turetskyi, at one time i headed the turkish-ukrainian governmental intergovernmental

commission there, and the turks are very... pragmatic people, for them integration is the expansion of trade, they think in categories, promotion of their own business, their own interests, expansion of their own markets, and kill me here, i don't understand what putin can offer such a thing, that's why a serious struggle has begun here and we already see what is being proposed, we see that on the eve of putin's visit to ankara, there is frank information about the possibility for erdogan to realize his dream, buy non-modern aircraft. sign profitable contracts and get closer, if not politically, then commercially with the european union , and improve our relations with nato, this is what i see, on the other hand, putin, he is still with north korea, about peacekeeping, it is not about peacekeeping, some of erdogan's initiatives ? i now very faintly imagine why erdogan, well, what erdogan can add to what happened, at one time he convinced that this

border, this is... the black sea transit, he acted as a broker, and he believed , that it is necessary to invite russia, russia was invited, but not in that direction and sent in a completely different direction, the corridor works, the whole world recognized that the corridor works, ukraine proved it, and erdoğan did not interfere with this, actually speaking, a certain soft coalition was created, and erdoğan was also in these collisions, that is, this map has been removed, ukraine has actually unlocked and... and the chances that putin will actually be able to threaten something there with his, well, if not completely, then half-destroyed fleet, attack some international tankers, these chances are now simply decreased in times, therefore for it's not erdogan's game anymore, i don't understand that erdogan can bring anything additional here, ukraine's position is quite clear, we also understand that we can have negotiations, but... with

certain efforts, so there can be something here, something is necessary will speak at the press conference, but i am of the opinion that erdogan does not have any such, unbeaten, trump cards either, he can speak like this with fairly predictable general appeals to the fact that an understanding must be reached, but on the other hand i don't think he can there as how like orban or how fizo to repeat the mantra that... we need to give back the occupied territories to the russians, it is not in the interests of erdogan at all, let's remember again what kind of cards, yes, mr. oleg, well, the key story is erdogan only as a certain segment an extremely difficult game, yes, well, i would like to believe that now in the current situation we can count on additional support, well, the french were amused, in particular it is about missile systems, the british are holding steady.