to get enough republicans to get 69 in favor, why is that important , to end long debates if needed, well they could be under senate procedure, even endless, it takes 60 votes, and right now i'm thinking , that the situation in the senate will depend, firstly, on whether this majority will be preserved, this question is mainly up to mcdowell, and whether schumer, this is the leader of the democratic majority, will be able to secure the necessary majority, an absolute majority, or an absolute majority on the part of the democrats because there are several senators who are skeptical about aid to israel. under these conditions

, now in this situation i assume the possibility of a productive vote, but this is the first part, i would say, paradoxically, the easier part, then begins, as they say, heavy lifting, that is, it is really such a difficult situation in the house of representatives, where a certain part of the republicans... not only demands stricter regulation of immigration, but it is already a question of compromise on this issue, and part of it advocates against granting the extension of aid to ukraine, let's say, it is a small but very vocal and quite influential group, including the speaker of the chamber, some deputies, republicans, there is a question, if... we

assume that a positive decision will be made in the senate, that's all then it is a question for the speaker, whether he will put this issue to a vote, it is his prerogative, they say that there is a kind of majority necessary including democracy to make a positive decision, but again it will depend on how johnson behaves, but we know he is influenced by trump. and he is far-right, that is, it is a minimal complex situation, in general, to finish , now here is the bipartisan support for ukraine that exists in the congress of the united states, which is absolutely positive, necessary for us, it is undergoing a test of strength, and to a large extent the situation was will depend. precisely because of this, as well as

significantly, what trump's position will be, if it is at least neutral, it will create opportunities for decision-making, if he will exert pressure in the direction of non -approval, then this will greatly complicate the process, perhaps even make it impossible. mr. oleg, we would like to ask you a question about whether ukraine will be able to win this war if the united states does not provide aid, and in fact, whether confiscated russian assets can be a plan b in this case, or at least some percentages of their arrest, because the european union is already talking about it, we understand that it is, well, as in our opinion, yes this is some kind of alternative, but is this alternative enough and in general, is there an effective mechanism? implement it in the near future?

i have several questions and answers to this question. in general, i believe that there is simply no alternative, an alternative to our victory, and i mean ukraine and its partners. we have to win, because for us this is an existential question. this is the first. second, if you imagine the worst-case scenario, that is, victory. trump, no, the termination of aid to ukraine, at least its sharp reduction, of course, it will have a very serious effect, i do not i want to use the word catastrophic, but very serious consequences, and here a really big role will belong to the european union, i.e. , first of all, it should pick up the banner of helping ukraine, that is, become a leader here, for this,

it is necessary that it be ready for this. i hope that these issues will also be discussed during shortz's visit to the united states. secondly, this is a question. which would violate the use of assets and most of their confiscated, arrested, or rather, frozen assets are in europe. it should be understood here that the freezing of assets is mostly a political act, a much more serious issue is their confiscation and the use of these assets to finance aid to ukraine, or its reconstruction, but the time is now. certainly, everything is focused on military action, on military aid, and here the position of the european union is still, i would say, quite so flexible, that is, they do not want to set a precedent, they do not want

to do it, because there are serious legal problems that need to be overcome , but in principle it is still necessary, as i think, to understand that we we are in an emergency. situation, i said, as i said before, there is no alternative to victory, so decisions must be made, such decisions that have not been made before, but are absolutely necessary, and the sooner it is done, the better it will be for everyone. mr. ambassador, tucker carlson, an american journalist, former fox news host, went to see the moscow führer, and there he listened to that father putin's historiosophical sword for two hours. yes, but carlson has come to us, accordingly, he would like to interview the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, should we generally agree to something like this, because i did not hear any particular sharpness or objections from the american showman, when he

worked with putin himself, maybe how we should act, refuse or agree, it is difficult to say here . absolutely, as they say american mental, that is, this is my completely subjective opinion, that is, first of all, there are, let's say, opportunities and reasons for agreeing to it, but it must be agreed to when there is certainty that answers will be given , which will come to the audience, which reckons tucker carlson, so it's basically... either trumpists or those who are very close to them and are willing to support support trump, so the stakes are very high, and let's say my first impulse would be not to go along with it, so that

added to these risks is that tucker kaso could construct the interview in such a way that the result would be the exact opposite, especially since the facts... nothing different from what the president had already said to our high officials while in the united states in speeches and in the congress and at the american summit, it obviously won't be , therefore, in general, i believe that the risks now outweigh the possible, possible positive from this interview, namely... the view that putin gave, it is clear that it is mainly calculated for mobilization support for russian policy by the trumpists, obviously trump will also be happy to hear it, well, and the second point, although it was given so vehemently, but still

, i think that to a large extent it was directed at the internal audience as well, to show that we are being listened to such a reputable journalist. and i will repeat what i have already said, i mean putin. mr. oleg, by the way , we just saw footage from this interview, and i have the feeling that carlson decided to troll putin, because i noticed the color of his crib, which was blue-and-yellow, i think , tons, yes, there were such stripes on this cravat and, well, you know, an interesting warning just for the audience, but i would... i would like you to have a clarifying question, but would it be strategically and diplomatically correct if zelenskyi gave an interview not carlson, fox news itself, the channel with which, with which he parted not on very good terms, and as a counter-adversary to putin and carlson,

zelensky goes to the republican audience on the leading, essentially republican fox news channel. i believe that this would be possible, but i will repeat it again. it is necessary to prepare very well for this interview and to give up what was already there, from those techniques, i would say, not in terms of content, but techniques that were already there. used before, and it must be what is called a silver bullet, that is, to be exact went to the audience and was listened to at least attentively. mr. ambassador, and finally , i wanted to ask you about a rather loud statement in his interview, which was made by the former secretary of state of the united states, the former head of the central intelligence agency, mike pompeo. yes, he said that donald trump should not be underestimated, and reminded, so to speak, that donald trump, despite all, so

to speak, a certain political exoticism, well , in general, was almost the first american president who blocked supplies to ukraine javelinov, and here mike pompeo says that putin may be in for very serious surprises, how can donald trump play and should mike pompeo be trusted here? i would say the following or. we would like to hope, that is, of course, we remember the javilins, and we remember trump's position regarding nord stream-2, all this really happened, but we must, we also remember how he treated putin, how her contacts with putin took place, at the same time it must be taken into account that now trump's positions on all issues have become... radicalized, and i do not see him sympathy, rather antipathy, towards ukraine, and

of course, he had an unpleasant residue left after the first impeachment, which was precisely based on his attitude towards ukraine, well, secondly, we should not be misled by his statements that there is a terrible situation in ukraine with the death of many people, destruction and trump's readiness to end the war in 24 hours, judging by his statements, he probably imagines that he will put pressure on ukraine and is ready to do so, at the expense of concessions from ukraine, and one must also mention previous statements regarding his... well i would say to the piety even admiration for putin's actions regarding the annexation of the lpr-dpr, this is very

telling, and his other statements, which do not give us absolutely grounds for optimism, a single quart, i would say not a window, an apartment of possibilities, i see, if putin, as it often happens, he will take the stick and do it. something that will touch trump's ego, here it may create certain, certain opportunities, sorry for the sarcasm, and because for trump the third place is the interest of america, one above all, the second is the republican party, but always for him donald trump and donald trump's ego come first. thank you, mr. oleg, oleg sham-sham. diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine in the united states from 2005 to 10

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his pocket, i don't know, moving his eyebrows, pretending that he wasn't very pleased with it all. but you won't deceive us, if you didn't want to, then it wouldn't have happened interview, and i think that carlson knew very well what would be poured on his head, yes, but if we take the grand narrative of putin, what putin wanted to convey and to which audience, so to speak, carlson is such a small , a little crucian carp on this is huge, on that huge tray of lies, so let's talk about narratives, well, look, in principle... if we say what vladimir putin said, it all boils down to two things. first thing, ukraine does not want negotiations, russia wants negotiations, this is actually a grant narrative of russia for the whole year 2024, it is very important just for us to understand that their main informational goal in 2024 is to prove to the whole world, and they are not doing it for the first time, and they

are not doing it for the last time, they are saying all the time, they have been saying and they will continue to say , that ukrainians, ukrainians in particular, allegedly do not want peace, and russians are a peaceful nation that wants peace and negotiations, and this is, in principle , the most important message that putin made, the second message, it is... less important for putin himself, it is an attempt to prove about ukrainians as a nation do not exist, that this is a fictional nation, and that is why he has the right to do everything that he is doing now, everything, he did not talk about anything else, if we talk about all these historical speeches of his, well all these pseudo-historical delusions, one more, one more very important point is very important for us, from one side of putin, well, even now, even musk, a great supporter of putin and a human being. who is wildly afraid that putin will use nuclear weapons, even musk poked putin, his tweet recently appeared in which he said that prince oleg

, by all accounts, was a good guy, er, that is , in principle, he laughed at him, but in general we must understand another point, that in contrast to this historical delusion of vladimir putin, on unfortunately, we do not give our true version of history, and here, if... it didn't sound paradoxical, there is a kind of vacuum from our side, which is filled with all this delusion that ukrainians do not exist and so on and so forth. well, from my point of view, at least at the level of senior management it would be worthwhile for ukraine to hold a lecture on the history of ukraine in one of the european universities, it would probably be very good if volodymyr zelenskyi would do it, who would simply ridicule on the one hand the criticism that putin spoke and give our version of our ukrainian history , because i will repeat once again, the information vacuum on our side is being filled with vladimir putin's malaise, and no matter how much someone laughs that the conditional

rednecks of the united states of america are unlikely to be able to watch two hours of all this delusion, it is the absolute truth, but they are not watch two hours delusional, they read the headlines in musk's tweets, in tucker's tweets, in trump's tweets, and from these headlines, from these subheadings and headlines. in tweets, they hear that ukrainians do not exist, that this is a fictional nation, and we, in contrast, unfortunately, historically do not give our own version. vadim, i would like to ask, you know, to close these two narratives of putin, that is, on the one hand, he lies insidiously that ukrainians as a nation do not exist, on the other hand, he says that they are ready to agree on something. we understand that in the west, not everyone has cause-and-effect relationships in their heads, so to speak, open, as in the former soviet union, and accordingly, your version, on whom does he count? he calculates, he has four audiences, that is

, the first audience is russian, let’s not take it, everything is clear with it there, the second audience is the global south, and it is very important for him that the global south lives in his narratives, and here he actually has quite serious successes. the third audience is a large part, including politicians, but not only. politicians of the so -called collective event, and speaking directly about this interview, it's trumpists, it's definitely trump, trumpists, musk, and everything around them, around these people, around these politicians, spins and spins, and the fourth audience - this is definitely ukraine, and in fact, we cannot discount the fact that really all these things, they are one way or another, they are rebroadcast on the territory of ukraine, and uh... there is a part of people in ukraine who are ready to listen and repeat these narratives, that also absolutely true. mr., mr. vadim , look, i actually wanted to make such a remark here,

not that even a remark, but this remark to the fact that during this interview, which appeared on the twitter social network, which is now called x, carlson did not ask in him, why in the russian federation, this platform , on which the interview of putin himself is supposed to be released, it is not available, because... it was blocked on the territory of the russian federation, well, you know, i say, a trailer, but if we are talking about , who paid the money to carlson for it interview, because on the one hand, putin is facing elections in march, and it would be beneficial for him if a western journalist interviewed him, and on the other hand, we also understand that, well, it would probably be beneficial for trump, as you wondering who could be sponsoring this whole circus, well honestly we can... skip that no one sponsored, in this case we don't have any official stories yet that tucker carlson was paid for this interview , but the fact that he got

huge fame, the fact that he got... millions, well, hundreds of thousands of new people who are watching started watching his social networks, and then he will be able to monetize all these things, there is no doubt about that, so in such cases, very often money does not directly play the role that we often talk about we give them, because in this case tucker got much more than their dollars, that is, he got an expansion of his audience. and thanks to this, he can definitely monetize a lot, whether in the future there will be any attempts to bribe him, to pay him for something, well, we all remember traditional stories of viktor fedorovich yanukovych, who received money for unpublished books, and whether something similar could happen to tucker carlson, we cannot exclude, but as of now, i will repeat myself, fame and the opportunity

to expand his own audience were more important to him, and plus to everything... else, this is the capitalization of tucker as a theoretically possible politician, because they will talk about the fact that he is going to, well , that he will go vice president, i don't believe it, that he can be vice president , so far everything looks like a fantasy, but that that he can be an influential republican in the next congress or the senate, in principle we cannot rule it out, well, so to speak, flew away, promised to return to the fates of all the carlsons, god be with him, you mentioned an extremely important story, as we to improve the representation of our historical policy abroad. we understand that the previous attempts of various, so to speak, official propaganda resources, they, well, in fact, these efforts went nowhere to a large extent, and here, accordingly, we need some additional, additional ideas. we literally have two minutes, vadim, mark it. well, basically, i think i'll repeat myself, i think it really was. it is very good that

the president of ukraine would give a lecture in one of the western universities about how ukraine came to be, what ukraine is, and would debunk a large part of the myths on the part of vladimir putin, this is very important from my point of view, because i will repeat it again, the vacuum on the ukrainian side is being filled by putin's madness, and things that are clear to us are not at all clear even to a pole, no let alone a resident of california or. that the president of ukraine is also not a historian, and accordingly it should be prepared by a whole group of relevant specialists, well, this could apply, i don’t know, not only to the president of ukraine, i don’t know, well, it would be necessary to second a whole delegation of various notable figures, which you would like to listen to, because the president also cannot break away, definitely, definitely, but here it is really necessary that there be an understanding that this is a very important aspect,

that it is not necessary. just to laugh and to cross, unfortunately, in principle, all these historical exorcists of vladimir putin, they become part of the political landscape of the present, and not to respond to them is, in principle, to make an information error. thank you, vadym denysenko, a political scientist, was on the air of spresso, they were talking about the interview that came out this night with tucker carlson, who he came to take from putin, in the kremlin, rather than ... all from the pomp of the hall where they recorded it interview, you can understand that it was somewhere, well, in some very elite place, and it is clear that, by the way, these russian propagandists, they felt as if they saw something new for the first time in their lives, because they continuously informed that carlson had arrived, carlson had passed, carlson had visited here and there, that is, for them it was so exotic that for them, that for them it was just some top day, when their telegrams were unannounced...

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