it is about how quickly the approaches will be rethought in washington, in brussels, and here it must be said that in europe this rethinking is moving, in my opinion, much faster, ah, well, because, probably, there is an awareness that the war in ukraine , in fact, it is a war in europe, not somewhere on the doorstep of europe, as brussels officials sometimes say, but it is a war in europe itself, so... i think that the coming weeks will be revealing in this context, and yet , i think there is reason for cautious optimism. when we we are talking about, well, the most demonstrative actions, you expect, in particular, advancement in certain directions, in particular, the unblocking of aid to ukraine there, or the possible signing of new agreements on security guarantees for ukraine there by germany or france, about these components. strengthening ukrainian

european security, you say, first of all, i mean that it is important to resolve the financial issue, ah, and here it seems to me that the promotion can be more serious precisely from the point of view of transferring frozen assets to ukraine, because as there will go the situation in the congress in the future with the aid package for ukraine, well... there if i do not yet see the grounds for such rapid progress, but from the point of view of what to transfer to ukraine, at least part of the frozen russian assets, this is an important point that all still has chances, greater chances for a solution, and in this context, of course, what will be important and not only the actual, you can have... money, but you still need to have weapons and

ammunition, and here beyond any doubt, if to a large extent a bet is made on help our european partners, and within the framework of what is known today, serious efforts are being made by some countries, members of the eu and european members of nato, in order to help ukraine as much as possible. look, for example, pay attention to the fact that... finland, ah, recently it was reported there that they will be able to increase the production of shells fivefold, so this in principle very demonstrably gives grounds, so to speak, for optimism that, after all , the european defense industry will begin to act more dynamically, and since what has been holding back until now, this opc, which in principle is ready... would

implement larger programs for the production of weapons of military equipment, this is , so to speak, not the determination that was on the part of politicians, more precisely such a mantra that, well , this is a regional conflict somewhere in the east, a little further from europe, and therefore, he said , it may end soon, and accordingly, if you invest in some new technological lines, new... capacities, then no one will need them, and in fact, you will then go bankrupt, so that's what held it back the european military defense system, although he was ready, as it were, to build up, and now it seems to me that the rubicon has already been crossed somewhere, when, uh, to do or not to do, the question is no longer, to do, but the question is how quickly..

speed up, because the way the european bureaucracy works, it is calculated that within five to 10 years, we will be able, so to speak, to deploy new programs, implement new types , improve the existing ones, implement new types of weapons, samples armament of military equipment, and there is no such time either 10 or 5 years ago if in this case, of course, our approach and strategy, it is important that the state policy be coordinated, and now it turns out that both the ministry of defense and the command of the armed forces are uncoordinated, as a result of the organizational changes that have taken place, and accordingly, our , our, if , needs, they are not clearly articulated, yes, it is known that we have asked for strike aviation, and more, volley fire there and so on and

the like, but so to speak, these should be continuous efforts, not those efforts , when some people came for a long time. with others negotiated, now other people appear and everything starts from scratch, and so then we are put at the end of some queue, while we should be at the front of that queue in view of the urgency of providing the forces and means that we need right now on the battlefield. eh, mr. mykhailo, taking into account all these risks, challenges that you mentioned, which are sometimes and to a large extent generated by... our own actions from the point of view of optimizing the defense system, what is your, well, inside forecast for the situation during the year and on line front, and in relations with our partners, what to hope for, what to fear? and here

, hardly anyone can make any prediction, because , so to speak, this is an equation where there are no other unknowns. than known values, and we perfectly understand that the 24th year is the year of elections for almost half the world, and even more so in our key partners, partner countries and the united states, and in the european union, elections, elections to the european parliament, namely the configuration may or may not change fundamentally, but one way or another this factor of turbulence, it will take place and... we already have it, we feel it ourselves, so the main thing here is to hold the line of defense, and what concerns, so to speak, actions outside the boundaries of the front line, this is

what concerns the build-up diplomatic efforts to get what we need for the front, and asymmetric actions to defeat the enemy. in its strategic depth, that is, the war must be transferred to its territory, and it seems to me that it is necessary to act in this way, and then the forecast will be positive, and we cannot allow the fact that , as they say, everything is lost, but they will not give us money, will not give weapons, and of course there are those who incline us to a capitulation model of behavior. and they promise a ceasefire, there is the first step, they say, there and then, somehow it will be there, how it will continue, we already passed it in the 14th and 15th years, 10 years ago, when the russian aggression began,

so it is, so to speak, treading on the same rake, if someone has the illusion that it will somehow be possible to come to an agreement, of course, there are such politicians in the west, but nevertheless... nevertheless, in europe in particular, it still seems to me that the coming fully aware, but already clearly present the feeling that this war is a war in europe, and it is very important for our diplomacy to convey this to the european political community, so we have to do our part, as they say, there is nothing new here, to resist and beat the enemy, including on its territory. mr. mykhailo, thank you very much for these professional comments, for the time you found for our viewers, i will remind our viewers that it was mykhailo gonchar, the president of the strategy 21 center for global studies. and then we will talk about how information and its interpretation from there is a truth to a lie

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weekday from 20:00 to 22:00 at espresso. we continue our program, then about the confrontation with the enemy in the realm of the battle for meanings and for. the truth is that it is precisely about the information front, which is related to the events in the trenches and how information and its interpretation affects our enemy, and how it affects us, and now we are joined by hryhoriy lyubovets, he is one of the heads of the communications center of content security, mr. grigory, welcome to the espresso channel. good afternoon, i welcome you, i would like to start our talking about the fact that... one way or another , we sometimes perceive the events that are happening in ukraine through the assessment of foreign media, and

actually this has become a kind of standard, but now even when the situation with the removal of general zaluchny from his post happened , everyone at once rushed to read what foreign media are writing about this situation, i would like to ask you why it is necessary... does such secondaryness in perceiving one's own vision and trying to perceive everything through external evaluations carry risks? here we can say , first of all, that the perception of information and the perception of the meanings you speak of is precisely the culture of statehood. you and i, unfortunately, understand that ukrainian statehood in its restored form was

a short story, as the russian federation was created almost a little more than 30 years ago, and ukrainian statehood was also restored for 30 years, and until this was the soviet union, and this soviet union practically did not provide a culture of free worship. meanings, categories, processes, discourses, and therefore today, unfortunately, what you are talking about is just a stereotype and a flaw. of the past, the past in administration, because this is exactly what can be called conditionally sovietism, and not only in the administration of our state, but also in the case of an average citizen and even an intellectual, for some reason we do not see our discourses and run to foreign ones

of any quality, and this is exactly ... is already one of the defects, i will not talk about losses, namely our defects, and here questions arise, how to get out of here, it is very simple, we have to present the country in a discourse, and especially its specifics of struggle, we have a great, very specifics, that is your previous the speaker talked about the fact that we are at war. in our center and practically in our scientific-research, scientific-expert environment, we fight with this term content-wise, not from the position of a legal norm, but rather content-wise, because this is where all the problems come from, practically ukraine is waging

a ukrainian civilizational struggle for the perspective of world civilization. and we lawyers are sent to the field of war, conventional war, historical war, any war, and you and i are in an almost unique precedent situation, because we are confronting precisely genocidal aggression, which is not manifested only by a trench, it is, by the way, if it is about a trench. it is measured in the trenches, what is in the hands of our hero fighter, and what is in his head, and what is in his head, and his perception and spirit, today are perhaps the most important, about which general zaluzhnyi is appropriate world level discursively showed

the world, and this is a very correct line, it is not just... a public application of a person, it is practical, you saw, yes, that they began to discursively discuss the world of an industrious person, and not some foreign author or interviewer, who is going to moscow for some reason, it is clear why, but there is very little of this, because the result of this action is global, we have to contain the global discourse. we have something for whom, and today, this is not just our right, but our duty, because we are the first, that is, in fact, we now have to raise the perception of this war to the level of civilization, that is, an order of magnitude higher, than what we currently operate

in in our journalistic or expert formulations and create mechanisms for broadcasting our messages. world level and zaluzhnyk, as i understood from your message, created precedents when fundamentally important things were discussed, they resonated with our foreign partners and they probably ensured a certain backlash there in political decisions, military decisions, and this mechanism was worked out, and if we now if we do not take advantage of this, then we will actually lose certain opportunities, so i would add here, they are wide. such a line, because on the one hand the president deals with it, our diplomatic mission deals with it very well, by the way, and on the other hand it is mr. zaluzhnyi did, and in this synergy, we still need to talk about synergy, because the combination of qualities gives scope, depth and primacy, and we had this,

we should not lose today, yes, the decisions made, the decisions of the military state. are correct, because this is martial law, and the question is now to hold the topic, and here in front of me the speaker correctly spoke, it is impossible to allow that the line of argumentation, the scale of argumentation and the perception of our arguments, ukrainian, and the zaluzhnoy - these are not his arguments, these are arguments of ukraine, these are arguments those heroes who laid down their... lives so that we could formulate these arguments, understand them, perceive them as a mistake and move on, that's why this level must be maintained and... that's why the level of discourse, and that's exactly what we're saying in our institute and in the center , about the fact that we practically have to raise one more technology, in addition to

the robotic system, now the topic of the robotic system is being raised as a type of weaponry, this is the theater of communication and content confrontation, this is the same stake with the same scales with which we have to act and. .. this is not an allegory, it is a front of wide action, because the modern world is local, simultaneous and horizontal, mr. grigory, you are now using important components of your concept, which has gained recognition, i heard there a new thesis information-content theater of military operations that you started to use, and i would like you, for example, our brigades explained what , how it works, because you and i had a discussion that our military brigades who create their own content on the battlefield, when they collect videos, when they show how they

destroy the enemy, and this video becomes massive , when, on the basis of these video clips , the meaning of the war , the possibilities of this war, begins to be correctly perceived, it becomes the driving force of the unity of society and the army itself and even resonates in the minds of our partners, is it possible to use this element using the information potential of our combat brigades to make a mass element that will be tangential to those qualitative changes that zaluzhny also spoke about, and which zelenskyi partially mentioned there, first of all, precisely because the brigade is not just maintaining the perimeter, the brigade produces... not only the results of military actions, it practically produces style, energy and spirit. and we know

different brigades that have different scales in terms of these parameters, but here i would still give up now, but not like this, there is no need to give up, i have expanded the understanding of unity, synergetic potential, synergy, that is... a combination of large-scale , let's say, potentials that give a new quality of potential, so this synergetic is just preparation, and action, and results, but these results, if we give them, are at the level brigade, then we show what an 800, and practically 1,500 km line of active defense is. it does not become conditional, it becomes real, because these are all the exclusives of the brigades that you are talking about, and these videos that you are talking about,

they simply need to be transformed into communication and content streams, of different tempos, perceptions, submissions, formats and filling to the world level, because ukraine is at war. and therefore the conversation will give us something or not with such a production, the question will be, who gave first, and why someone did not give, because now it is necessary to orient ourselves now, when the elites have practically been brought into the regime by our diplomatic corps, the authorities, i.e. the supreme commander-in-chief's administration. understanding of the importance, now it is necessary that this importance is again in the horizon of communities and people, that without eliminating the regime

that depopulates the environment of its peoples and practically where it is present, we must create opportunities and conditions for peace and humanity in the civilization measurement mr. grigory, but in these... the enemy also understands these potential threats from the ukrainian side side and begins to act with lies, and it doesn't matter if it's true or a lie, the visit of this scandalous journalist tucker carton to russia and this interview are all completely lies, but the scaling of lies also creates serious challenges for us to promote the government . agenda, what are your assessments of this story, how can it be countered, what might be the consequences? this is just an example of a lie rising to the highest... level,

where did putinism even begin? he started with the fact that the terminology of the right words, was turning into a demonic tool just like the weapons of the regime. a very simple example, the understanding of the word russia, peace, negotiations, elections - these are all weapons of this regime. now the example you are talking about. when lies come from the highest political level, many people in the world do not imagine and do not know that it is possible for such an official to speak about it, why? because they, for example, in the countries of the free world believe that everywhere they are democracies, everywhere mass media everywhere , they should bring someone to justice for lying, by the way, here

just... today there is a global problem that it is necessary to establish a norm at the international level, a verbal crime, a verbal crime in particular, because lying at the global level is practically a crime against humanity, and therefore the issue of just this example, it shows just the scale of actions , we very often say, they tell lies , stupid, and in general it is somehow incomprehensible, why, because we are prepared, we understand, and there are many countries of the world, here is a very simple example, on grain receipts from ukraine, about it is, as it were an obvious thing, few people knew, in fact, where the bread was from, the bread was from ukraine, and the putinites in africa

said that they were bringing it because... they gave an instruction to ukraine to supply something, therefore the topic of lies, disinformation and fakes are technological things , these are things that are a challenge for modern times, for example, there is a big, big round of elections in europe, and the european union says that we need to engage in education in order to explain to our people, good people, er ... late or then it is very large scale, horizontal and er, well qualified, not just refute something, because the refutation of a lie, in addition to the result, also gives interest in the lie, and therefore we know that, for example, conspiracy theories of various authors, yes, have a very large profit, why, and i wonder, what

is it? and why is it interesting, because a rocket is not flying at you, and your relatives or loved ones are not in the trenches, and then it is very interesting, therefore the topic of understanding that ukraine is fighting absolute evil, and this evil in a tie is presented at the american level, it is the same crime, a verbal crime, before everyone, starting with the occupied nations, the russian federation, ending with expansions on the eyes of the audience , where it is, for example, an interview, now very, you see, thank you very much for these explanations, for the time that you found for our viewers, i think that these are extremely important conceptual things that we we have to realize, and i will remind our viewers that it was hryhoriy lyubovets, the head of the communication and content security center, that's who

they were. explanation about the fact that the war with russia is multidimensional and each component of the military, economic, and informational components has its own technologies, its own models, and our advantage will be when we actually master these technology solutions, we will use them on the battlefield, and in negotiations with our partners, and in counteraction with our enemy, stay tuned to the espresso channel. ukraine will receive more nasems from norway, five more russian executioners were identified by the sbu, and for...