putin obtained copies of khmelnytskyi's letters, talking about the denazification of ukraine. in general, what kind of impression did his conversation with carlson make on the american viewers, we talk about it on the bbc live with london, i'm evgenia shedlovska. in russia, it was presented as an action of the incredible scale of putin's interview with a western journalist for the first time since the beginning of the full-scale war against ukraine, which was already watched by millions, but in the west it was called propaganda. a two-hour friendly conversation, in which putin did not say anything new, can be summed up in this way an interview with the former american...

tv presenter tucker carlson, who came to moscow for this purpose and announced that he would show the americans the truth that is allegedly being hidden from them. well, the video appeared on carlson's website and later on x, which used to be twitter, and what's in it? i will say right away that there were no questions about russian war crimes committed in ukraine. for 20 minutes , putin talked about his vision of the history of russia and ukraine. he even took out such a gray folder, which allegedly contained archival documents with copies of letters. he also spoke about khmelnytskyi the fact that russia allegedly did not start the war in ukraine, but is only trying to end it, that everything started with the maidan, and that russia's goal is, i quote, the denazification of ukraine, and that the kremlin is said to be open to negotiations, and of course, about threats from nato, i.e. all that he had already repeated many times. but this is what he answered when asked about the probability of an attack on one of the nato countries. do you see a scenario where you send russian troops to poland? only in one case, if there is

an attack on russia by poland. why? because in we have no interests, neither in poland, nor in latvia, anywhere. why do we need this? we simply have no interests. some threats. and even before the release of this conversation, western journalists were skeptical about it. yes, politico even published such a bingo. guess what putin will say. and among the proposed answers, that... ukraine is not a real country and other statements from putin's usual rhetoric. and about the conversation itself , the politician writes that, in particular, that it was a victory for the kremlin propagandists, because there were no issues that were inconvenient for the kremlin. and more the publication notes that carlson's interview with putin is longer than the conversation with hungarian prime minister orban and former us president trump. and the washington post writes that putin barely gave carlson a word in the conversation. the british guardian at the same time quotes putin, who at the beginning. asked: is this a talk show

or a serious conversation? viewers believe that neither of these succeeded, putin was talking about the history and justification of the war. the financial times publishes a column with the headline how carlson became putin's useful idiot. carlson claimed that he is the first western journalist who is interested in an interview with the russian president, which is not true, but in general, why was this interview clearly beneficial to the kremlin? the bbc's steve rosenberg is based in moscow and here is his analysis. there was nothing fundamentally new in this interview , we heard everything that vladimir putin said before, it was a platform for him to express his vision, his thoughts on the war in ukraine, his vision of the world, vision through the eyes of vladimir putin, which he broadcast to an american audience, by americans politicians of that and the west, in general, and he did it, knowing that no one would argue with him. according to putin, the world is

a world where russia is the victim and the west is the aggressor, nato, america, ukraine. he will never take responsibility for what is happening. this is the conclusion that can be drawn after watching this very long interview yesterday. a few days ago, tucker carlson said that he was the only one who, at the beginning of the full-scale invasion of ukraine, tried to record an interview with vladimir putin, that there are these bbc, like other western tv channels repeatedly requested an interview with the kremlin leader, but the answer was no. i think putin will be satisfied with the result of this long interview. he thinks this was his chance to share his vision. i am almost sure of this. if you look at the number of views of this video on social networks, it is dozens. millions,

i guess the kremlin will like such a result, and how the united states will react to it, i don't know why thakor carlson was chosen to be putin's interviewer. because lately he often indulged in pro-russian, pro-putin comments. he did not oppose what putin said, his alternative vision of reality, the war in ukraine. i would assume that the kremlin will be satisfied with this conversation. for the russians, it was a kind of media circus. the interest in tucker carlson is as if some pop star came to interview vladimir putin. and in touch with them. washington, dc senior editor of the ukrainian voice of america tetyana vorozhko, how the united states reacted to this conversation between carlson and putin, how did it generally commented? well, they reacted quite powerfully, a lot of reactions, i would highlight the following five main points. the first is, of course,

which was noticed in the second minute of this interview, this unusual for an american viewer, an excursion into history. in fact, taker karta even warned, he said that now there will be a long conversation about the story, we ourselves did not understand at first what it was for... but it is supposed to be important, but during the interview itself it was clear that he, let's say , no longer understood where it was, he asked putin where we were now, what century are we talking about, and it's the 13th century, as it turns out, and you can see even from the reaction of those who support, those who support takir karsen, those who criticize him, which in any case, let's say there is no request for a history lesson about eastern europe, russia from an american viewer, the friend, of course, more so... serious criticism is being made about tucker kartsyn's questions, the questions he asked and the questions he did not ask, the way he conducted this interview, he did not ask a single sharp question to president putin, he did not ask him about why he bombs ukrainian cities, why he steals, why the russians steal

ukrainian children, or why they subject prisoners of war to torture, all this is written by the american media, and also tucker carsen is criticized for what he provided, as he actually said steve rosenberg provided such a platform for propaganda to vladimir putin, and the question is, what did putin himself want to use with it, what message did he want to show to the audience through tucker karsen, let's say, and this message, which in principle sounded before, that that ukraine does not want to negotiate, they say, russia actually wants to go to negotiations, but as it became clear from this interview, putin wants to conduct negotiations through the head of kyiv, official kyiv, and actually there are a lot of mistakes. their statements, now there are publications of five false statements, assertions, there are 10 false statements, 30 false statements, that's two hours of false statements, so there will still be a lot of work for fact-checking journalists, such publications also appear, too ukrainians actively participate in these discussions of the x network, explaining to americans that

why, why, why was putin, why was he lying, also american journalists paid attention to the very end of this interview, when he spoke about even hershkevich, it was... the only such moment in the interview, where he acted allegedly as such, well, a real journalist, there he was pushing, not agreeing, asking questions, maybe, maybe putin had some such minimal discomfort during this whole interview, but vostrii jonel did not appreciate this effort of tucker carson, it is possible to say so, but there they wrote that he is not, that it was not possible to say that evan hershkovich violated some, say, your laws, evangeshkovich was engaged in journalism and he did not violate any laws, if we talk about the impact of this interview. i think we can still see him, maybe it's too early to draw conclusions, but i can point out some factors: first, we can see that the people who listened to him, who support him, who are the viewers of takir carssen, they everything, well, many of them, most of them, probably took everything at face value, they said, my god, what he is smart, and vladimir putin knows history,

he can keep 2000 years in his head, and they used it to criticize president biden for allegedly having problems, memory problems, many statements were taken uncritically, for example, such that, well, if putin said that he will not attack poland, then for sure, then why are we talking about the need to protect ukraine so that poland is not attacked, and we can also see what the reaction is in the russian media, they also write about it in the american media, saying that probably the russians believe that this was really a triumph of their propaganda, on the other hand we see that it is possible that the opportunity that karsen gave to vladimir putin, maybe vladimir putin did not take full advantage of it, first of all, well, at a glance, even that is what carson later said . that he does not have, probably, he does not give so many journalists, he is not the kind of person who can correctly present his position there, that is, so that it is heard, that i am not a direct quote, and when this moment that takir carson has been hyping for days, you will now know the real one the reason why russia started a war against

ukraine, he and the answer given by vladimir putin, she did not understand at all, historical arguments, they actually, i think, work for few people, in the united states there is an ethnic issue. who belongs to which nationality, are not even secondary and not ten-ranked, this is not an important issue at all, as far as denefification is concerned, it means that due to the ideological conviction of ukrainians, whatever they were, there was... a war will start, that too not very clear, of course, that the trolls, or those who support takir kartsina, or those who support vladimir putin, will spread it, but it was obvious that tucker kashton pushed him to another answer, to the answer that russia somehow felt threatened, and they did not extend it from vladimir putin, maybe one argument that you can pay attention to that will work with the arguments that are being used here against helping ukraine is , why does america need this, it has a border, it has a trillion trillion dollars of debt, maybe this is the only point that... rang out, and that's it it also gave the opportunity to ukrainians, let's say , to refute, and journalists, and all those who

support ukraine, to refute these theses and tell their own point of view, because there is a demand for it now , to sum it up in the last sentence, those who trusted those, that takir kartsyn's viewers, perhaps he convinced them even more, those who takir kartsyn did not perceive him as a serious journalist, well , their opinion, after that, probably did not change, well, just about tucker carlson. let's talk a little more, please, tatiana, stay tuned who is tucker carlson he was a star of the traditionally pro-republican channel fox on fox carlson hosted his late night political show for many years but was fired last april and quite unexpectedly because the day before, carlson promised the audience to see him again on the air, why he was fired was not officially said, but the american press wrote that it could be related to a lawsuit regarding tucker's report on the stum capitol and the broadcast of trump's false statements about the fact that his defeat... in the election was allegedly the result of falsification even after his dismissal from fox, carlson has not lost

his popularity in social networks, he still has a huge audience, who is he in the american media environment, this is what washington anchor liane caldwell said about him earlier before the release of karlsyn's conversation with putin. look, tucker carlson is almost single-handedly responsible for. the emergence of this pro-russian movement among the ultra-right in the united states. he formed and directed in a certain direction perception of this issue among supporters of the right. it can even be described as the closest thing we here in the us have to russian state media. so i'm not surprised that he does it. it will be interesting to watch this interview, but i suspect that it turned out to be very friendly, because there are more of them. his interview. connection this is takir kalsan's audience, which

tetiana varoshko from washington is with us , who is she, and can she increase with pro-russian sentiments after such an interview. well, it's hard to say if it will increase the audience after that, probably me i guess his viewers, fans who switched from to to platform x, those who watched fox, and of course, as the commentator just said. that his influence in the pro-russian mood in the united states is really very, very huge, this influence, he , let's say, has been around for a long time, let's say, his first program on x began with the fact that he blamed the explosion on the kakhovsky gesture, he blamed ukraine and spread a lot of false statements, and also, well, a lot of people who listen to tucker kartsyn, they assume that almost everyone supports the candidacy of donald trump, tucker carsen does not play a direct role in the campaign. he is not, let's say, an official person, but his name is mentioned as a possible

vice presidential candidate, along with donald trump, and in particular, donald trump's son, donald trump jr., said that he is a serious contender, they often say, their positions with donald trump coincide in many ways, in particular, that it is necessary to end this endless war. that is, we can still hear about tucker carlson when the united states will elect a president this... year, thank you, tetyana vorozhko, senior editor of the ukrainian voice of america service live from washington, was with us. well, this is the end of our broadcast, about what putin told in the interview with carlson and the fact check, you can also read this on our website bbc.ua. i say goodbye to you, next time watch our broadcast on monday.

greetings, friends, live. espresso tv channel, the second part of the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, today in the episode: restarting military efforts. the first columns of the world. the media is full of articles about zaluzhny's resignation. should zelensky explain personnel rotation? two hours of lies. russian propagandists are actively spreading theses of putin's interview with tucker carlson. did it make an impression on western audiences? information presence of ukraine in europe against the background of russian ipso. what

could ukrainians do? we will talk about all this. for the next 45 minutes, i would like to remind you that we are working live on the channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms for those who are currently watching live us there , don't be stingy, please like this video, and also vote on youtube, on our platform, we have a question for you today, do you understand the reasons for the resignation of a good man, yes no, everything is quite simple on youtube, or yes , or not, you can leave your own version or your own comment... under this video, and today we have a visiting journalist club, journalists, my colleagues, i want to introduce them, this is tetyana vysotska from strasbourg, france, tetyana, i congratulate you, congratulations, serhii, glad to see oleksandr golubov from bon on the air, oleksandr, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, glad to hear, glad to see

and hear, and maria hurska from warsaw, maria, greetings. thank you for joining our broadcast. greetings, colleagues, greetings, dear tv viewers, greetings sergey. thank you. well, at least two of my three colleagues today are employees or former employees, like oleksandr golubov of the tv channel, the third participant, tetyana vysutska, started working with espresso, so all of us are employees of espresso, either former or current. let's begin, colleagues. our conversation of inquiry, for since we ask our viewers about whether they understand the reasons for zaluzhny's resignation, perhaps it will be easier for you to answer this, considering the fact that you are both abroad, maria is in warsaw, tatyana is in strasbourg, oleksandr is in bonn, maybe you to others

, you see the situation that is happening in ukraine, and it will be valuable for our tv viewers, because... we are boiling in the same informational cauldron, maybe our perception will be a little different, or yours a little different than ours . maria, let's start with you. well, i would say that we actually have only one bulbashka, because in addition to the fact that i currently cooperate with espresso, i will continue to be an espresso journalist, and i will also launch it together with other colleagues, female journalists from ukraine. here is such an online magazine for ukrainian migrants all over the world in connection with migrants in connection with the war and not only for all ukrainians around the world and at home as well, which is called sestri.eu, and in this online magazine we also give quality analytics and interviews, and blogs, primarily political analytics, and also, of course, this is information for

those people who left ukraine in... with the war need help, a platform of unity, who want to join, fight for victory where they are, with what they can, yes, and actually we try to monitor the main trends in ukraine , and what is being said about ukraine in europe, in particular about our path to the european union, we collect, we collect interviews with european politicians, in particular in poland, we talk a lot about ukraine, and... of course, we monitor by what the main ukrainian media write about them other events, and we follow the statements of ukrainian politicians. regarding zaluzhnyi's resignation , for me personally this situation looks like, well , the cornerstone was not even the popularity of the commander-in-chief, which obviously

annoyed the bank for a long time, but this was the cornerstone of this conflict with... the approach to the issue of mobilization became and if the commander-in-chief proposed to approach this more strictly, to approach it realistically and actually apply it, to use all the levers and in order to activate everyone ukrainians of mobilization age who are at home, and above all to use all possible mechanisms for the return of ukrainians of mobilization age , men from abroad, from eu countries, and i felt from my conversations with an employee... in poland, sorry, with politicians in poland, from such previous conversations, their views on the law on mobilization in its previous form, they talked about the fact that... the union is ready to use mechanisms in the event that there is such a political will from the ukrainian authorities, well, we see that, after all, well not

the ukrainian authorities decided to go with a tougher scenario, this law is now being considered in a new form, it was voted in the first reading, and we can see how the rhetoric of european politicians is changing along with this, they are also becoming more cautious in what they say. and in particular they talk about the fact that, well, the issue of mobilization , the issue of the return of ukrainians abroad, this is primarily the issue of the ukrainians themselves and the ukrainian authorities, we cannot do much here, i think that thank you, thank you, during the program we will talk about how perceive ukraine and the situation in ukraine, now we are going through whether you understand the reasons for valery zaluzhny's resignation, oleksandr, please, if i personally. then i have only hypotheses, because in my opinion, all the official communication about this from the state authorities, from the president, i don't know if you can

say that it has failed, maybe just in the president's office they are satisfied with how they warmed up this topic, spread it, and then, when they were tired of it, they did what they had planned, i understand for a long time, but for real reasons. that which happened, no one openly names , accordingly, again, i, as a person who can only rely on information from open sources, can only build hypotheses, and i imagine that if even i, as a journalist, a person with experience, works with the information , to put it mildly, i don't understand everything and i have a huge pile of questions about what happened, then i you... i can only imagine what kind of shock and what kind of misunderstanding it causes for those people who , who do not have such experience,

and secondly, from whom it is very easy for me to speak this is a joke, but for those who depend on the person, the person of the commander-in-chief, it is actually a matter of their life for ukrainian soldiers, for those who live in ukraine, it is a matter of life... death and when it remains with so many unknowns, this is a very fertile environment for speculation and for russian information special operations in order to increase efforts in ukrainian society, it does not benefit from it, it seems to me that no one among ukrainians, and unfortunately, i can state that all my hypotheses, that's how i can express them now, but... no, they will not be confirmed, and that's probably the worst thing about this situation, in my opinion, because a clear understanding of what's going on, a clear understanding that the leadership of the country,

as military as well as political, guided by rational reasons when making such decisions, it could calm many, so far we have almost the opposite, people are fighting each other in the comments in the comments about who is syrian, because of what released zaluzhnogo, what... a stanza is now waiting for us all, not me i think that we are in for a disaster because of this, but the communication policy of the commune, as to how it happened, it is actually, well, if not a disaster, then it is a rather serious failure, of course, during a war, people have the right to know, including and about what happened to the previous head, especially if there were complaints against him, and today he was given a star. the hero of ukraine, well, it looks a little strange, to be honest, because it is not clear why he was fired, but the hero of ukraine was given today. tatyana, as you see

the situation in strasbourg, how it looks, whether you understand the reasons for zaluzhny's resignation or not, because there is one argument that it is some kind of political jealousy or a zulzhny future politician... to zelensky, well, they do not sound unconvincing even now at this moment, so that, in principle, the head of the armed forces of ukraine , of course, is engaged in politics, because the future of ukraine depends on him, he leads the army, and the future, whether there will be elections or not, whether ukraine will exist at all, or not, and in which status will it be? so, actually, i can't say that i'm 100% from here in strasbourg either. i understand what is happening now in ukraine and why zaluzhny was released, but actually, returning to the question of the political justification, the release of zaluzhny, about

political reasons, about the fact that... his positive image is growing and not only among soldiers, not only among the personnel of the armed forces of ukraine, but also among ukrainian voters, that he is an idol for many ukrainians, and in fact today i spoke with some european officials here in strasbourg on the sidelines and also spoke with the brussels colleague. this position regarding the fact that zelenskyi considers zaluzhny as his possible political competitor or a possible political... competitor of his party, these hypotheses are heard on the sidelines of european institutions, because the europeans themselves cannot understand why he was fired if he is successful the commander-in-chief and if he is worthy of the title of hero of ukraine, and that is why the version about the political basis is actually the one that cannot be rejected either, well, you already mentioned

colleagues about the new chief... commander of the armed forces of ukraine oleksandr syrskyi. we have a little help. let's watch it, show it to tv viewers, and discuss what to expect in ukraine with the new head of the armed forces of ukraine. oleksandr syrskyi was born on july 26, 1965 in the village of novinky , volodymyr oblast, russia. in 1986, he successfully graduated from the so-called soviet westpoint, namely the moscow higher than... military command school and began a military career. the new commander-in-chief passed all levels, from platoon commander to deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine. started in 1986 with the commanders of the motorized rifle platoon. already in 2002, he was appointed to command the 72nd mechanized brigade. as of 2013, he was the first deputy chief of the main command center of the armed forces of ukraine and was involved in cooperation with nato. so in

november of the same year. on behalf of the ministry of defense, kusyrsky discussed changes in the ukrainian army in accordance with the alliance's standards at the nato headquarters. with the beginning of hostilities in the east of ukraine, sirsky headed the ato headquarters. was one of the commanders during the battles near debaltseve and uglehirsk. he also coordinated the bars group, which covered the withdrawal of ukrainian troops from debaltseve itself. for this operation, oleksandr syrskyi was awarded the order of bohdan khmelnytskyi, third degree, and later...he received the rank of lieutenant general. in 2016, he headed the joint operational headquarters of the armed forces of ukraine, in 2017 he commanded the anti-terrorist operation in the east of ukraine, which was later changed to the operation of the united forces. from may to august 2019, syrskyi was the commander of the joint task force the headquarters of the armed forces of ukraine. on august 5, 2019, he became the commander of the ground forces of the armed forces of ukraine.

early. large-scale invasion of russia, it was syrskyi who was responsible for the defense of kyiv, for which he received the title of hero of ukraine. in the fall of 2022, syrskyi was one of the commanders of the counteroffensive in kharkiv oblast. the ministry of defense of ukraine named his name among the creators of the victory of the armed forces of ukraine, the soldiers who carry the operation on their shoulders. in 2023, sirsky commanded the eastern group of troops, which fought in the hottest areas of the front. he then called the... trampling battle near bakhmut, where thousands of ukrainian soldiers died, a matter of principle and a matter of honor. syrsky said that the armed forces could surround the city captured by the russians, but this did not happen. from the fall of 2023, he led the khortytsia operational-strategic group, which is responsible for the section of the front near kupyansk and lyman. here, the russians attack powerfully, and the ukrainians hold the defense.

oleksandr syrsky travels often. to the front line and personally meets with fighters at the hottest areas of the front in order to analyze battle tactics on the spot, determine problematic issues and support fighters. god, of course, let the new head of the armed forces of ukraine succeed in everything, because our future, our country's, and in general, the future of our children, who should live in ukraine and enjoy life, depends on it. on this , of course, personnel note, this week will probably end in ukraine, because there are a lot of comments about who syrsky is, that he was born in russia, that he is an ethnic russian, well, maybe if you go through all those military men, which are very common in russia.