all this historical nonsense, sorry, voice , for 25 minutes putin spoke about the pseudo-history of ukraine and russia, it was just very disgusting to listen to, but did the americans understand something or not, maybe for those who drink six cans of beer in the evening , not so important, the main thing is that tucker interviews him, shows something there, and... but the fact that the republicans in the congress are now trying in any way to postpone the vote on aid to ukraine, this is tucker's interview with putin to play along with trump, and in this situation republicans, does that mean we're going to have the hardest time until november 2024 because it looks like... we thought

the hardest time would be after they've elected, or let's say in between when they elect a new president, the inauguration will happen, no matter who this president is, that is, we thought that it would be at the end of the 24th year, but everything that is happening in the united states of america as part of the election campaign, it started much earlier, and it affected ukraine in particular, well you know trump is chaos himself he creates chaos. and of course that this is his factor is difficult to take into account, where he can still shoot, and on the one hand, for four months, senators of both parties agreed on a compromise solution, and it is a pretty good solution, and a large number of republicans also say this, but the political expediency, it outweighs the fact of voting on this document, and actually we see that if there is a war. as the trumpians say,

there is a war going on in the south of the united states, there is an invasion of all the bad guys, that means refugees, then logically, that we should do everything possible to stop it or start to control it, but no , it is better for trump to leave this problem, and of course, then more people will vote for him, well, trumpians, of course, they will vote for anything, but conscious republicans , and then try to solve it in another. these congresses, because of course trump hopes that he will get more votes there and will control something there, so this factor could not be predicted that he would start working like that. the second point, of course, is signals, including to putin, because quite this idea is possible that will stop aid to ukraine, and then start negotiations, that it will be broadcast by carlson to the trumpians, and by and large this is... what trump said, that he would give

putin and zelensky the opportunity for 24 hours to solve the problem, if not, and it is the fault of whoever does it, then there will be corresponding consequences, either ukraine will stop receiving aid, or on the contrary, there will be a lot of aid , that is , we do not know what, what, what is happening there, so it is difficult to say what that the senate is more likely than everyone next week will vote for aid to ukraine, it looks like because 17... republicans have expressed their desire and they have already voted by and large, and how can we strategically change the situation in the house of representatives, it is difficult, by and large we have to prepare to four years of trump, and those four years can be bad or very bad, just bad - it's the end of all aid to us, but with the possibility that we can buy weapons from america'. their corporations and that trump will not

to make some resistance, and in this context , of course, it would be very good if the biden administration would hurry up and actually create a policy of legal framework for the frozen russian money to be given to ukraine, and then we have more than 300 billion of this money there, we can buy weapons there can be an even worse option, this is an attempt to pressure the ukrainian president to agree to... the so-called new territorial realities, and of course, then there will be neither help nor the opportunity to buy weapons, this the worst option , and of course, ukrainian society must first of all prepare for this in order not to give us the opportunity to break us and actually record the occupation of ukraine, illegal and annexation, without the possibility of somehow replaying it later, if such a window of opportunity opens in the future. ago. we have to prepare for

the worst, of course we wish nicky haley would step up a bit, but the polls show that trump has a huge lead. and we can only hope that the courts of the united states can give an opportunity, say , nikigel to win this race, she cannot become the nominee of the republican party, but if, for example, she is convicted under the criminal article of trump, then a certain number of republicans will not want to have their own yanukovych and will vote for someone else, some already now says that if trump is in, they'll vote for biden even if he's dead. republicans like that, of course, what's important, what happened last week, i'm sorry, this week, is the decision of the appeals court this district of columbia, district of columbia that trump's activities are not covered

by absolute immunity, meaning that he is liable for criminal offenses that he may have committed, this is half a step to being charged with inciting a... er disorder to the seizure of power what happened on january 6, and then this criminal article can be applied to him, although according to american law he can even be elected president from prison, but this factor that a certain number will not vote for a person with a criminal record, he can play his role, and of course, other courts can play a role, first of all, so that his name does not appear on the ballots, i'm not saying anymore. there are other black or gray people that may happen during this time that may prevent trump, but most likely this will be a new reality, at least for four years, starting in january of next year. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation, it was oleksandr khara, a diplomat, we work

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thank you for being with us today. greetings, mr. serhiy, always happy to be with you and your audience. to each other, mr. pavle. so, come on. let's start with carlson, the one tucker and the one who interviewed putin, because putin said through tucker that the americans should not support ukraine, and called for it in an interview with carlos tucker carson. let's listen to what the kremlin dictator said. don't you have anything to do? you have a lot of problems at the border, problems with migration, problems with the national debt , more than 33 trillion dollars, there is nothing to do, you have to fight in ukraine, wouldn’t it be better to come to an agreement with russia, come to an agreement, understanding the situation that is developing today,

realizing that russia will fight for its interests to the end, return to health common sense, to start treating our country and its interests with respect and to look for some solutions. to return to common sense, i.e. putin publicly invited biden to negotiations regarding ukraine, do i understand correctly, mr. pavle? well, it's not the first time he's done this, but he's not inviting biden personally, he 's inviting the republicans as well, and actually if you hear, look at his arguments, they're arguments that are ... coming from the part of the republican party, so they're not dominant , but nevertheless they are discussed, it is also a problem on the southern border and the large debt , which is considered to put pressure on inflation, pressure on

the macroeconomics, that is, in my opinion, putin's arguments are unlikely to appeal to our sympathizers, hardly, i say... but they can, of course, appeal to some of the republicans, they are good prepared, like an interview, actually is for'. preparation, i think putin prepared for it and prepared for it for a long time, he somehow tried to work out the arguments so that they went precisely to a part of the republicans, and takir carson, who is super popular among trump supporters, in particular among republicans, in general, and singled out to rehash his arguments once again. on the americans, this is actually an offer not so much to biden, but in general it is possible

for the republican administration, or part of the republicans to negotiate through our head, this is what putin always says, he just repeated it once again and repeated it directly. well, in this conversation, putin said that nato should recognize, well, for peace talks, it should recognize. which are now temporarily occupied by the russian federation, those that are russian, and with zelensk, he is also ready to the talks, only zelensky doesn't want to, because he has some kind of decree, well, i don't know where he has this slang decree and the word decree, he constantly talks about the fact that zelensky has some kind of decree, well, we don't have decrees, there are presidential decrees, and this decision of the nsdc was implemented by a presidential decree. but he constantly says that we are ready for peace talks, but he adds that everyone should

accept what has already happened as an absolute fact, that there are territories that have come under the control of russia, he will not give them up, for this he for 25 minutes he told this pseudo-history of ukraine and russia, and talked about the fact that we are generally on our own land, and what is happening in ukraine is a coup that he started. in 2014, then neo-nazis, nazis, the jew zelensky came to the presidential chair, it is of course neo-nazis and nazis in ukraine, do you understand from the rhetoric that putin has now, what he ultimately wants, or is he just making an offer to the future administration of donald trump, a conditional one that can win and come to power. in a year, or is it about he is the whole world with whom he is ready

to negotiate something, and he has simply matured to tell tens of millions of people through tucker that he is ready for such negotiations, because this interview was watched by a lot of people in the world, more than 60 million .and these are actually the ones who watch tucker cars. he has exactly 60 million plus, and i think that this interview will continue to accelerate, and on the accounts of the republicans, and i think that russia will help this a lot, as for the decree, if i remember correctly, they are exactly appeared after the zhovtner coup, in some early soviet times, so... it's definitely not yet prime minister kuchma had decrees, he had superpowers,

remember when the verkhovna rada did not have time to pass laws, there were decrees by the way, there were pro-trust societies, you remember, by the way, this is an interesting moment, it really, really was in the history of ukraine, but putin is doing what he has already done with many western leaders, with macron. scholzem, he told them about history for a long time, and i think that in his own way, in putin's way, he sincerely believes that he tells, and sees himself as the one who is actually trying to create this story for russia. i watched part of this interview, i didn't have time to watch it, well, i'll have to watch it in the evening, but nevertheless, as far as i'm concerned, kars... doesn't understand the whole story, he's trying to pretend that he's there,

but there are some nuances understands, but it is extremely and extremely difficult for him, i.e. he does not understand putin's logic by definition, but what putin is doing is a very dangerous story, he repeats his theses that ukraine no, there is either russia or anti-russia. that there is a single people, civil war and all that, all that madness that always sounds in the historical sense, there are no ukrainians, there is no history... there is no language, the world does not really come into it, but it is important for putin that it comes to the part of the americans , in order for it to work, in order for the republican voters, they will never be pro-russian, but so that they will not become pro-ukrainian, so that they will not put pressure

on their congressmen, so that this story will never come, so the fact that he.. .does - this absolute conscious, conscious preparation, conscious preparation, he knows why he is speaking, and to whom, to whom it is addressed , as to whether he is ready to negotiate, yes, but only with the americans, and only on the terms that he lays out, and as far as i'm concerned, this is by no means a negotiation, but rather an attempt to advance one's... purely putin's point of view, and from this to start some kind of more or less conscious conversation, i mean not the one we have with the russian regime, but also the american one , from russia, well, it actually looks bad, although we see that putin does too tries to intrude on the nuclear sphere,

tries to say that russia will defend, as best it can, its... interests, as understood by putin himself, and that there are issues related, for example, to strategic stability, control over nuclear weapons, and that we will still have to talk about these issues, and then our question will become only part of this logic, so this interview should not be underestimated, i do not think that it was successful, but nevertheless, putin is working on his... task, and we are very it is important now somehow to get to those who watched this interview, and you yourself say that now it is more than 60 million views, and reaching those people is also a matter of national security for us, but mr. pavle, putin repeats again, well,

almost repeats the same exactly what he said or wrote in the ultimatum, which was... in december 21, on the eve of the war, when he marked some geographical points where russia should have influence there in eastern europe, of course it is no longer will, that's for sure, but he says again that we have been deceived, that the united states of america cheated, that nato cheated, well, that is, these mantras, which he repeats from speech to speech. from article to article he constantly talks about the fact that the world and, well, the united states of america in particular, must take into account the interests of russia, because russia is a great power, with which it is not necessary to enter into a world war, this is what he said in an interview with tucker, that no there is no need to do this, because it is difficult to imagine the consequences there, for

which he constantly, well, warms up, is that russia should return this person. was in eastern europe, which once had the soviet union, though he constantly says that russia is drawing parallels with the soviet union, well, in interviews i caught him several times that he constantly says that russia, well, once was the soviet union, well , constantly, constantly says that russia is the sign of equality of the soviet union, and this is heredity, he always talks about it, the empire, the soviet union, russia, for him it is... with her, too, and he sees it that way, and he will continue to emphasize it, i.e. , if he says that he was cheated, well, then what kind of russia is his own, as he says, a great power, if she allowed herself to be deceived, that is, here he contradicts himself, as in many other

issues, but with this interview he is trying to raise. rates and someone , the one who listens to him, if not counted, then to convey the meaning that he is ready to go to the end, and if he is ready, then at some point we will still have to negotiate, and let 's negotiate, since i am ready to talk only with americans , he talks about it directly, and it's a very important story because... he's trying to jump not only over our heads here, but over europeans, and olaf scholz is in washington today, and it will be a very... very important meeting in the context of western solidarity, understanding of a strong response to the russian regime, understanding that

complex discussions between democrats and republicans are still going on in washington, and they are unlikely to stop. in the near future, europe is ready to throw bridges, and if so, then it will be a strong answer to putin, and its own answer that it is impossible or... to negotiate with someone's head, our european one, which is what putin is proposing. another event that took place this week, but the ukrainian mass media paid less attention to it, but still, i emphasize that the general director of magate, raphael grossi , visited the zaporizhia os temporarily captured by the russians, according to him, the main problems as of today are the expiration of the term operation of a nuclear fuel reactor. as well as a significant reduction in the technical staff of the station, but the russian occupiers met groshy, and they told him: we

are glad to welcome you on russian soil in the russian federation, let's see this fragment, because it is indicative. for his help, but the fact that it is not the russian federation of georgia should probably say, because why does the general director of magate react so calmly welcome to rasha, he will not do that... since he also travels to russia and has to negotiate with everybody, and he doesn't see himself as a politician, he sees himself as an international manager for hire, which of course

is very, very unpleasant, because he's actually trying to get away from issues that are intrinsically valuable, and what he's doing... is just preserving, keeping in touch, but he is not the only one like that in the west, and we also have to speak absolutely frankly, there are such, such people who, in principle, try not to understand reality, not to talk about it, but to frankly and clearly leave it, to be a person who is communicator between that's how he sees himself, but not as a person and part of the west, let's say it frankly, a very short question, i hope for a short

answer, literally in a month there will be another presidential election of the russian federation, more simply putin's election, should we now talk about putin's illegitimacy, if the elections are held in the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine? certainly, this should be one of... our key topics, we should say that the organization of elections in the occupied territories de-legitimizes the entire election process, and because of that the russian government, this should be our political thesis, this should be our legal thesis, and actually our valuable thesis, everything is very simple. thank you, mr. pavle, for the conversation, this was pavlo klimkin, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-19. years, friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms in youtube and facebook, for those who are currently watching us live on facebook and youtube,

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