exhausted, then it is better to take such a serviceman away , replace him with the newest one, because there is no point in a person who is already overtired, then he cannot conduct combat operations effectively, should we keep this defense ideal, well, of course we should, so that, first of all, these new heights are a convenient position, a tactically convenient position, i said, even wrote the same institute of war research, that the loss, for example, of this settlement of ovde naivki, will not affect significantly, strategically will not affect the whole the front line, tactically yes, it will be tactical the advantage of the russians, a tactical failure on our part, uh, well, nothing more, why does he want, why does he want to be there, why is the enemy so, well, for 10 years already, he has been trying to knock us out of there in different ways by different numbers of people, because with from this distance, we can bombard the city of donetsk with artillery systems. we did not do this, but we did not

shoot at civilian objects, of course, but such a possibility exists, and therefore the russians cannot build some powerful military hub there, that is, some headquarters or some warehouses, because they, they understand that they will be vulnerable to our artillery, not only rockets, although it would be very necessary for the russians , it would be very very useful, because in donetsk, well, there is electricity and gas, and everything that is necessary, water, that is, all communications are there, they are present, and it is possible to do something more or less serious from a military point of view, they do not do it, because they understand that our intelligence will immediately know about it, it will be destroyed by our artillery, besides, if we talk about leaving, then it will be necessary to leave in the wrong place several kilometers, and maybe 15-20 km, because further to the west of avdiyivka there is already a lowland, that is, avdiyivka is at a reasonable height, of course there is a lowland around it, so move away for a kilometer... 2 and take positions

in the lowland, well no one will do this, because this is a very, very unsuccessful position from a military point of view, the next, well, relatively, well, not relatively, not unknown heights, but simply the next heights, if you look at the map, they are somewhere 15-20 km away, that's why defenses will have to be kept and fortifications must be made, it is certain that they have already been made there exactly in that place, so it is also not very pleasant, because for the russians it will be, well, from their propaganda channels, well, there will be a lot of talk that how they pushed our troops to a long distance, they advanced almost 20 km there, they will must count the square meters, tell how much territory they liberated and so on, well, this is what they like to do, although in fact any army would do it, because there is no point in going down there, why do we still need to hold avdiivka , because the enemy throws a big one there the number of manpower and equipment, well, you already said about it that what they need... before the elections, well

, the so-called elections of president putin, on march 15-17, to show some successes on the front line, well, this is such a deadline, well, sooner than they will all want to do this by the beginning of march, so that they have a few days or weeks to spread this information through their media channels. this is the third deadline that they have already set for avdiivka in the last six months, because starting from october 10, they set the deadline until the 14th. december 10 october last year until december 14, just when putin's press conference was held, where he said that he would run, well, run for president, then the second deadline was until january 1 until the end of the year, and now it is the third deadline, they are suffering big losses there, and the task of any army during the war is to destroy the enemy's army, and we succeed in that , well, we see what losses in the period from october 10 of last year to today, they lost more manpower in the avdiiv direction. than the soviet union lost in the entire

afghan war, that is, in 10 years of war the soviet union lost approximately 145 servicemen, near avdiivka, the russians have already lost 17,000 servicemen, that is, not comparable losses, insane losses for the russians, but if there is a political basis, of course they will not stop and will continue to throw storm z, storm b from the north, from the south, the donetsk, donetsk people's republic, their armed forces, well... the so-called donetsk people's republic, are attacking there , the spartak battalion, the fried rooster battalion and so on, that is, these units are conducting combat operations there, that is why they are especially large the desire of these people to destroy these troops, so we will stand there as long as there is an opportunity to keep the momentum there and destroy the enemy, there are no other tasks there, and the russians , of course, on the contrary, this month will definitely be extremely tense, especially for avdeivka.

well, by the way, by the way, to kupin, to kupinsk, there are also such people, we will also talk, i understand, i’m just saying that there will be these two directions, well , at least they announced that these are the two directions, they should... release, as they say , to the beginning, to the presidential, to the voting is already, let's say so, and here and there there will be very powerful offensive actions, well, what will they succeed, well, we'll see, but we must remember that, first of all, we have a hunger for shells, a hunger for cartridges, not so great the number of military personnel in comparison with the russians, who, for the time being , have enough equipment and shells and ammunition and people, and well, people are not just enough, there are an insane number of them. let's remember that almost half a million and a half million russian army is currently in the russian-ukrainian war, so in compared to our military personnel , those who maintain the defense, well, it is many times more, many times more than in russia, well, tell me, and

if we are talking about the fact that, well, we are talking about the fact that it is necessary to somehow strengthen the ukrainian armed forces precisely in these key points in avdiivka, i.e. it is not a matter of... somehow withdrawing from there and it will solve something, it will not solve any issue, of course, but if we are talking about strengthening, what can this strengthening be, that is, what would there should be, because well, there were and are well-equipped positions, nevertheless, there are the saturation of drones is quite high, of course there are not many drones here, but nevertheless there are many of them, objectively speaking , what else could be done to make such breakthroughs impossible, or at least when they became possible, it is enough to quickly knock out the russians from there, well, first of all, we have certain reserves, that is, we did not use all the reserves that are in the interior of the country, well

, it is obvious, if we used all the reserves, then it would be an extremely dangerous situation, we we are pulling up reserves for some areas on klupinsky in the direction of pulling up the reserves, about whether the reserves are being pulled up... there is no open information about avdiivka, but i am sure that our garrison there is being strengthened little by little, what needs to be done in order to hold the enemy, well, you know, these are quite simple answers, but the difficulty lies in the fact that such simple answers cannot be provided, the solution to such questions, seemingly simple at first glance, is extremely difficult, sometimes almost impossible. what is necessary, first of all, it is necessary to build, it would be necessary to build, powerful fortifications constructions where we can, well, the first or second line, if the first line broke through, so that we could retreat to the second or third line. the russians managed to do this while we were preparing

our spring offensive, the summer, or rather it became, during the spring and summer of last year they built, we remember, we remember these sorovikin lines, the two first, third, second lines. defenses and they built not just dug a trench and put dragon teeth, they made reinforced concrete structures there, that is, there are dugouts that are two, even three stories high underground, there are many underground communications , that is, they made powerful, er, if i am not mistaken, i may be slightly wrong in the number, but they made something about 600 km of trenches and did not just dig them with a tractor, but made them equipped, that is, with pillboxes, with reinforced concrete and with very well... fortified trenches, well, those cities where they have self-defense, unfortunately, we have such powerful fortifications behind avdiyivka, behind kupynsk, well, we did not have time to make them so powerful , and we did not have the possibility of technology

such, such a number of people to be able to do this, there is something, there are some fortifications, but they are inferior to the russian ones, and therefore , it is necessary for the time being... while there is time to hold on to kupinsk and near kupinsky and near avdiivka, and we understand that if the russian delegation has to leave, well, there needs to be somewhere to go, we hope, i hope that this is being done now, what else is needed, well, we need more people, because in addition to weapons, there must be people who used these weapons , that is, if the russians prevail multiple times, then in order to get defense well, it is necessary to skillfully hold the defense so that there are at least, well, if not the same number , then much less, our servicemen than the russian ones, well, the platoon cannot hold the defense if the divisions are advancing, well, here it is obvious, i am not saying that there is such a difference, but there, in some areas, it is roughly the same, that

we still need, we need shells, definitely, first of all, we need shells in order to be able to engage in counter-battery fighting, to destroy the enemy's artillery, and, of course, other things too... she said: need more drones, more means of radio-electronic warfare, drones cannot yet completely replace artillery , but well, they could help significantly, and it would be good, of course, well... these are already such great, great prospects, it would be good to have more aviation, we on the 16th, but we are very, very sorry, because almost the entire front line is suffering from russian cabals, and this is a serious problem for everyone . let's talk a little more about bahmud in detail, a little about kupyansk, so stay with us after the commercials, but not a little now... a separate

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what is actually happening near bakhmut, and eh , well, you know, there were reports at the beginning of the week that there is a little near bohdanivka, they managed to knock out the russians from some positions, but not before at the end, it is clear whether it was possible to gain a foothold there , what can you say about it in general, whether there really were any advancements of ours, if we take it in general, where the defense is held by our fourth brigade of operational frontiers, it is a little a little further north, and in general the entire line, the line is somewhat static, like such bridges, for example, the same bohdanivka, they can be considered no longer existing, just like bang, bang, because it was simply erased, the line itself is not moving yet , but in some places the enemy continues to actively concentrate efforts, in particular the same bohdanivka, the same klishivka. railway, fun and a little above controversial, that is, he tries to feel

the line in those places where he thinks he will be successful operationally, while using a large number of personnel, this is mainly stormz units, this is mobilized units, this is some use of armored vehicles with closed firing positions. that is, it does not approach the line of battle, and likewise with the massive use of artillery and tactical aviation, why tactical aviation? because every day, according to our calculations, the number of strikes by baboons, kababs, from umpk, as well as drone strikes is increasing. er, the number of drones at the moment on the contact line is very large, both on our side and on the enemy's side. which gives , for example, certain results, if we take it as a whole, if we take it as a whole, on

a certain part of the front along bakhmut, let's take, for example, this is the northern flank, in a month, our drones, the drones of the defense forces took away an entire artillery division, i.e. 18 guns went into the ossitiyo, let's call it that, i.e. there are successes, but you can refuse artillery in general... it is possible, because it is the main means of supporting the infantry, that is, in any case, well, i just thought, you are an artilleryman after all , then you must be there now with the drones. you are competing for targets that you can hit, but you know, well, everyone notes what happened, well, there is a definite hunger for ammunition, there are all these conversations, well, can you somehow compare, maybe for a slightly longer perspective, if compared with in the summer of the 23rd year, since the fall of the 23rd year, how much

is this projectile hunger so directly critical in general? it grows exponentially, uh, let's put it this way, for example , for defensive actions at the moment, roughly speaking, there are enough shells, plus they are compensated by the same joint actions with minesweepers, that is, companies of unmanned attack systems, but if you put it all together to a certain to a certain heap, let's call it roughly like that. then for tactical actions, for example, the same offensive or repelling certain positions, there, for example, on the front of the battalion, this not enough, the enemy, for example, if we take, for example, the army of the russian federation, they have an advantage in this, they concentrate a very large number of forces and means of fire, artillery,

mortars, aviation, drones on certain on certain sections. at the expense of which they sometimes manage to knock us out of position, and then it is also difficult to return these positions, if they do not have time to rush the infantry there, that is , the main sine of the lock is to destroy the enemy infantry before it approaches the front edge, but the war has reached such a stage, if we take the 23rd year. the 22nd means that every day the number of artillery shots from both sides is decreasing, the military industry of even such a large country as russia is unable at the moment to take such steps to the number of shells fired, which there are 20-30 thousand shots, as

it was last year , if we take the ratio now, it is somewhere between 3-4 shots. from our side and somewhere up to 10,000 shots from the side of the russians in general, well, it’s still very big, you know, it’s still very big for them the advantage remains, of course, but this is all compensated by the use of drones, ugh , that is, it is gradually moving from the use of mass artillery to point strikes by drones, which, by the way, we collect, if there is... the possibility of a studio and on and collect not only on drones, and on the means of reb, if there is an opportunity for the studio to place a qr code, i will be very grateful. well, if there is one, well, if you give it to us, of course we can also publish it and join your collection without fail. and now we simply draw your attention to the fact that the fourth brigade is gathering for the border

drones, and please, friends, find an opportunity, find the fourth brigade in social networks. will join this gathering, because the guys are in an important direction and on the first line, and this is really very necessary. mr. denys, one more such question, you know, you already started to talk about it a little, and about the fact that there is no way without artillery anyway, but tell me how realistic it is to carry out offensive actions of some kind, even if limited, that is, the repelling of certain positions only using drones and infantry as much as we can afford. in general and absolutely realistically, quite realistically, because there are certain cases when a whole platoon stronghold was knocked out with the use of drones and the infantry could enter there without problems, but i still emphasize that there is no way without artillery, it is a symbiosis of troops, just like rep. , as well as

air defense, as well as others for the forces and means that are used. the troops cannot fight there purely with infantry purely with drones, this is a complete set of measures that must be carried out for the offensive, for example, to take the same consolidated stronghold, it is necessary to carry out development, it is necessary to release the same reconnaissance drones, see when people come, when they leave, how many of them have accumulated there, when the reserves will arrive, what time it is for the reserves to approach, fire on the prohibition of advancing, on the prohibition. deployment here , i’m saying, it can’t be said that they took purely infantry, took purely drones and everything, but occupied a certain, certain area there, then... that is, while we don’t have that number of drones and while in we don't have, unfortunately, so far the amount of ammunition to

carry out such operations, it is difficult, it quite difficult. well, i also want mr. and oleksiy to also express themselves on this matter, because look, what exactly concerns this direction that denys is talking about, bakhmus. it seems that at least there, now, neither the russians are particularly capable of conducting offensive actions, nor our troops are capable of conducting offensive actions, and if the russians have this, it may be due to the fact that they are conducting offensive actions elsewhere, then for us it is not enough in the first place, as i understand it, there are simply enough forces, neither artillery, nor, well, ammunition. very it was nice to hear from a person who directly conducts combat operations in bakhmut , i spent a lot of time there . of the kovchytsky battalion

as the commander of the fire support company, so i perfectly understand what we are talking about, what do we not have, what is that, well, we did not have artillery, but, well, in short, okay, that’s it, we drove through, the point is, that now the russians are accumulating additional forces in bakhma near bakhmut, they are almost doubled posy increased the number. well, according to the official information of the troops stationed there, and it goes from 40 thousand to 80 thousand, or how far the suror can advance, well, we understand where they want to sneak in, by and large they want to go to kostiantynovka, because we all know how much this is important, hapi, we have traveled on these trains many times, well, not on our own, but when we needed to go there urgently to kyiv and back, so that's it, okay, we traveled again, that's why, whether it's successful or not, here it is. .. there is a problem in the fact that they use the groups that they storm groups, they have a reserve, this is a so-called tactical rotation, that is, a group can come,

it was torn apart, it left and a new group in the same one goes, well then, well, for example, on a certain area there, some 100 m there, for example, 20 - 25 people, well, they tried to pass there , the groups did not pass and were repulsed and are trying to lead them out so that the russians lead them out so that they do not touch each other. physically with the newest stormtroopers these groups and the newest group goes she she fresh i mean she's full of bull there they're fully equipped and they've been repulsed they they return again, in our country it is the same people who hold the defense, that is , we do not have such tactical rotations of such a large number of people to do this, that is why it is exhausting both morally and psychologically, and what a colleague is talking about, well, not a colleague, a sister it is better to say one by one. well, when they fall asleep, right there and then, yes, it is very important that every shot hits the target, but the russians, they make and take sectors,

take squares, they start to fall asleep, and it’s just, well, what’s up, well, where, of course, you have to leave, because and then if, if they we had time and we managed to withdraw, simply withdraw, get out of the shelling, out of the fire, then of course, if they... saw it through their eagles there or in some other way, that some of them had to leave, they can quickly drive them there our own, er, infantry, and then we will have to knock them out of there , but we cannot pour artillery like they do, that is why there are certain difficulties, regarding drones, well, you know, well, people who, well, are starting here is a person who just got married, who told very well that drones are also important, artillery is important, that is, it is a big serious complex for a battalion, a squad, or even a group to take any actions, it is necessary that a beaver of equipment be prescribed there, that it be prescribed how to do what there, i am silent about the reporting magazines

it still needs to be filled, well, that’s it, then some person comes out who is somewhere very far from the front line and starts telling us, now we are there with drones or there now with something else there and we will defeat everyone at once or on the 16th we will bombard everyone there , well, well, well, listen, well, this. it it annoys the guys who are there, when a self-confident person starts to tell that she was only a guest in the army, starts to tell how to conduct combat operations, that everyone there is stupid, but she is like that, or he is so smart, well, it's just not me i know, it's so annoying that i can't even, well, many of my friends come, you know, right there from those cities where they started letting people go on vacation, well, there because of their health, even. well , for 15 days, but we meet all the time, i ask what's going on, i ask, they kicked me out from the army for bad behavior, well, age, it's easier for

me, i reached the organic age of me. a year ago, they said goodbye, they say , can i say goodbye, and that's all, well, goodbye , then a date, and then people come and tell me , what 's wrong there, how was it? you know better, let me tell my brothers, because i, well, what i watch, i only know the stories of such brothers and i watch from kyiv, well, i really analyze there, i look at documents a lot, but man sees directly, he can better tell what is happening there because he sees it with his own eyes. i think it's better to give him more time than me. mr. denys , then let's give one more thing: you already said a little bit about the fact that technology is currently not moving in your direction, well, this is really true, because we see when these breakthroughs in technology, it is there in in the area of ​​bilogorivka, in the area around kupyansk, in the area of ​​avdiivka , dozens of armored vehicles are constantly being destroyed because they

drive there. bunches like that, you say mostly your equipment is not working, but do you see the accumulation of this equipment, or as mr. oleksii said, they will still accumulate and try to advance towards the temporal abyss, or do you already see it, any signs that it can happen? i absolutely support the words of my brother, of course, there are many such nuances, especially regarding the meat grinder and rotation. the people remain the same, and the orcs are new and new, that is, it is a little difficult, well, morally, morally a little difficult, but i will say, we soldiers are waiting for war, so what do we have to fear from the 14th year nothing, well, that's it, uh, i'll say that they simply don't catch up with the equipment to the front edge, it left, two or three bempshkas left, and they left for the deployment line of

the platoon columns. worked out , left, the tank left, it does not approach the firing direction, it fires from closed firing positions, they also do not allow our anti-tank weapons to be hit at a distance, or to be hit by those fpv means that are in availability, of course they accumulate, they keep the equipment. roughly speaking, at a low start, but far from the front line, so that it is not affected as much as possible, because the dear accumulation of equipment is drawn there immediately, so to speak, stars in the eye, and people this, people are bustling, running, it is all burning, we like it, everything is wonderful, well, and yes, for them to accumulate, yes, they have a lot of personnel here, an extremely large number

of personnel, and... the main operational task for the russians at the moment is time iv, that is, let's call it this, this donetsk fortress is bakhmut, it is time iv , konstakha, druzhkovka, slavyansk, kramar, kramatorsk, siversk, that is, this fortress for them, is somehow a point of pride for the acquisition of all of donbas, and most likely they will drive the majority of the people here. that is, to continue the same tactics of wagner, it has not changed here at the moment, if we take bohdanivka, where there are groups of 15, 20, 30 people, well, how much fp is not enough, artillery is needed there as well, the main means of which was commanded by my colleague , this is a fire support company, these are guys who give such things at once that sometimes the artillery is late, we are very proud. gentlemen,

our time is up, thank you to mr. oleksiy hetman, thank you to denys nagorny, i remind you to support the fourth brigade of rubizh, find mr. denys or his brigade on social networks, they are collecting for drones, they really need them near bakhmut, in order to protect the time, in order to actually be able to hold back the positions under bakhmut, our time is up, next news, accept them in the studio, and see you in a week. format last fall, we received a message from the police of the kherson region about the search for a 16-year-old a guy who, according to the investigation, disappeared in the temporarily occupied territory of livorzhzhia region at the beginning.