it will be to his advantage that he really has some differences there, and he is ready to implement them in practice, but the most important thing that he must do, well, is to somehow show, publicly or not publicly, that he is responsible for military decisions and will not allow any , well, you know, serious interference by politicians in the direct planning of military operations, by the way, this was called one of the reasons why they sent zaluzhny's resignation, that he... well , he sent away all those politicians who tried to somehow influence the adoption purely military decisions, so if he does it, it seems to me that everything should work out for him and he will have support, because the army is a rather specific structure that has subordination and it is clear that if his teams and his steps there will be adequate, will correspond to the vision of the armed forces, well, he will use this support, what he said today, by the way, seemed to me a very correct address, there are very... clearly placed

emphases, which contradicts, let's say, some information, who talked about him there individual media and so on, well, the main thing is that he continued it in the future, and well, maybe he gathered some, albeit small, but there press conference, where he would clearly say what he is going to focus on, how he will implement it, time will tell , i think that he will have support, well, at least at the first stage, including from zaluzhnyi, if he turns to him, thank you, mr. igor , for the conversation, it was igor reiterovych. political scientist and head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development. friends, we are live tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live, there. please like this video, don't be stingy to promote it in youtube and facebook trends. well, vote in our poll. today we ask you about whether you understand the reasons for zaluzhny's resignation. yes, no, please vote on youtube, either with the yes or button. or not, write your

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the british publication writes. the most important question is whether mr. zelenskyi will be able to use the resignation of the veteran to reorient his vision of the war. today , he still publicly promises that ukraine will return every centimeter of land occupied by russian troops, even realizing that this will not happen soon, if at all. if ukrainian forces could drive out the russian invaders, that would be great. however, if something absolutely... unexpected does not happen, a territorial war is a war in which ukraine cannot win, according to the economist journalists. mr. oleksandr, please tell me how the resignation of zaluzhnyi is perceived in the west now, and how you personally perceive it, that is, is it a mistake, a personnel error of zelenskyi, is it not a personnel error, or is it a decision of the supreme commander-in-chief, which fits into the framework of existing legislation and constitution and it is up to him to decide who

is actually in the position of the head of the armed forces of ukraine? well, first of all, i'll probably start with the statement of john kirba, the speaker of the united states national security council, he said that of course the president of ukraine can make such reshuffles, and of course the united states will work with any military leader who will designed. and it is clear that our partners, the closest to... friends, they will perceive this person with respect, especially since he has a certain record, and it will not arise from nowhere, that is, an experienced person, here , but actually, if you look, well, i looked at the british and american press, they are guessing, and what was the real reason for what happened, and everyone usually lists such guesses, starting with political ones i don't care that... zelenskyi's administration

, or actually zelenskyi himself, saw luzhluzh as a political competitor, and actually this is one of the reasons, which is actually in all sources. it is mentioned, well, there are other reasons, for example, the fact that he was too cautious , and mr. zelenskyi needs to show more results, and that is exactly why he can rely more on general syrskyi, who will not argue and will also carry out political tasks, including some tasks of the president of ukraine. well, it is clear that the president should determine the political framework, but he should definitely not influence it. on making military decisions to achieve these political goals, that's why this is a difference of opinion, it shows that our bank has not worked with international partners, its most important partners, in order to form an absolutely clear understanding there, why this

happened, and of course, the same can be said about ukrainian society, which perceives it more acutely, because, well, first and foremost, our defense forces are in the first place in terms of... more than 80% of ukrainians trust the defense forces, and general zaluzhny, as a person who, by and large, is the face of the defense forces, enjoys a great advantage and respect in society, the president is somewhere two or three steps lower there in terms of trust, campaign activities and also, and therefore, of course, that is perceived quite painfully average ukrainians and... a special expert film, but i’m not talking about the military, because you know that in relation to syrsky, they sometimes say that despite his readiness to work in a decentralized regime, he very often uses soviet methods, and he

they complain, let's say, that he did not value the lives of ukrainian soldiers, in particular they put bakhmut as a claim, it's difficult to evaluate it here, i'm not a military historian or. expert, but i think that even professional warriors will find it difficult to assess bakhmut's role until the war is over and until then it is impossible to see how much it affected, let's say, our plans to destroy large volumes of this russian force and, above all, the most combat-capable wagnerites, so this criticism may be fair, it may be unfair, but in general it is not a lack of clear communication with ours. .. partners with the ukrainian society, it gives rise to this very cold perception of this decision. and whether it was a timely decision, considering the fact that now the congress of the united states of america has to consider issues regarding the allocation of financial aid to ukraine, and it

is clear that on the one hand the dismissal of zaluzhnyi, on the other hand the big interview that putin gave to carlson, and that is also going on. let's say, the audience, the mostly american audience, the audience that influences american politicians, congressmen, senators and presidents or presidential candidates of the united states of america, but it coincided in time, we just see how this personnel rotation took place, and this two-hour interview, which has already been watched by more than 60 million, it seems of viewers in the social network x. was this personnel casting at the time? well, i don’t know what they were guided by, why exactly, because in fact, in the last few weeks, tsyamatics has been very relevant in ukraine, and

there have been completely different ones with contradictions and signals that this is not being considered, that there is unity, and then that any other system is being considered, that is, of course, what was not understood, it is not clear why, if we look at what... is happening in the congress of the united states, this is a process that is not attached to us, because there is a pre-election struggle, there is a battle of opinion of mr. trump, who wants to torpedo the compromise on immigration reform, so that he has something to go to the election, because it is the most painful issue for american voters. thank god that the decision was voted in the senate with 17 republicans and in the near future. four days, so the aid should be voted on by the 12th, i don't think the senate will have a problem with that, we 'll have the biggest problems, starting with whether mike johnson, the speaker of the house of representatives, will put it to a vote, or what so, actually, the democrats, who are in the minority

in the house of representatives, will be able to organize themselves in order to overcome this opposition, mike johnson, this is not just a border issue for him. or ukraine's aid to taiwan and israel , and this is a question of how long he will remain in this chair, because he is already threatened that as soon as he puts ukrainian issues to the vote, then he will repeat the fate of his predecessor, who was expelled from there by the republicans, because he actually also wanted to put aid to ukraine to the vote. if we say about the interview, i watched it all and you know, i really liked it. i liked it for several reasons, well, firstly, we see the progressive, mixed, bipolar effective disorder of the fuehrer of russian peace. and he said a lot of such things there , which, in principle, do not go overboard

, what is called, he also outraged the poles, i think that the germans and many others, he did not say anything new, and i think that this is the best thing that took place during this interview, because he would, if he had prepared better with his propagandists, with kedibists, they would could be launched into the american information space, the things that the trumpians would play out, and he actually had ... there were several ideas that he was ready to negotiate, which means that it is biden's fault, because he does not want to put pressure on zelenskyi to have negotiations, well, they mentioned boris johnson again, who would have stopped zelenskyi from signing the peace agreement, mentioned arahamiya, and this is of course the problem with this surname, we will still have trouble for a long time, especially certain comments, and that is exactly why ... this interview is very good, it showed an inadequate old man who lives in his conventional world, he may

be satisfied with the story that he, well of course it is historical or rather, sorry for the pollution, but on the other hand he is unhappy that the united states has always not taken into account the interests of the russian federation, and by and large trumpian propaganda can take little from this interview, a lot of memes have already gone and it is a great pleasure to read as americans... these take it, well i have intellectual americans, not those who drink six cans of beer every night, so everything, all right, it could be a lot worse, and to be honest, mine was, let's say, i was a little worried, i thought that tucker clarkson might have brought some messages for putin, from trump, and that's already happened, you remember, michael flynn, the general who... well, actually he was convicted of trying to negotiate with another country before he was appointed to

the position, and i thought shocker clarson had such a mission, but the results of the interview most likely did not have this and most likely but more than this picture, there was nothing behind this picture. the head of the bundestag committee on international affairs, michael roth , expressed concern in his comments to chevel. due to the delay in providing ukraine with new military aid from the united states of america, to quote michael roth. the blocking of aid to ukraine in the congress is only the first harbinger of what can happen if donald trump is taken to the white house in november, then immediately the security of europe will no longer be guaranteed. the future of free and independent ukraine will be in the highest danger actually, myself.

one of the so-called future vice presidents of the united states of america, i don't know if it's a joke or if it's for real, trump plans to do, and what he did in two hours with putin, i mean, just let it go putin and all this historical nonsense, sorry to voice it. for 25 minutes, putin talked about the pseudo-history of ukraine and russia , it was just very unpleasant to listen to, but whether the americans understood something or not, maybe for those who drink six cans of beer in the evening, it is not so important, the main thing is that tucker interviews him, shows something there, but the fact that the republicans in the congress are for... are trying in any way to postpone the vote on aid to ukraine, this is

tucker's interview with putin to play along with trump and in this situation the republicans, does that mean we will have the hardest time until november 2024 because it looks like we thought the hardest time would be when i elected. or, let's say, in the interval when a new president is elected, the inauguration will take place, whoever that president will be, that is, we thought that it would be at the end of the 24th year, but here everything that is happening... in the united states of america as part of the election campaign, it started much earlier, and it affected ukraine itself. well , you know, trump himself is chaos, he's creating chaos, and of course, that's his factor, it's difficult to take into account where he can still shoot, and on the one hand, for four months, senators from both

parties agreed on a compromise solution, and it's quite a good decision, and they say so. and a large number of republicans, but political expediency, it prevails to vote this document, and actually we see that if there is a war, as the trumpians say, there is a war in the south of the united states, there is an invasion of all the bad guys, that means refugees, then it is logical that we should do everything possible to stop it or start to control it, but no, for trump it is better to leave. this problem, and of course that then more will vote for him, well the trumpians of course, they will vote for anything, but unconscious republicans, and then try to solve it in a different configuration of the congress, because of course trump hopes that he is more will take votes there and will control something there, so this factor could not

be predicted that it would start to work like that, the second point, of course, these are signals , including to putin, because it is quite possible ... this idea that stopping aid to ukraine, and then start negotiations, that it will just be broadcast to the carlsons on the trumpians, and by and large this is what trump said, that he would give putin and zelensky the opportunity for 24 hours to solve the problem, if not, and because of that, who does so, there will be corresponding consequences, or ukraine will stop receiving aid, or on the contrary, there will be a lot of... aid, that is, we do not know what, what, what is going on there, so it is difficult to say that the senate will most likely vote for aid to ukraine next week, it is like because 17 republicans have expressed their desire and they have already voted by and large, and how will it be possible to strategically change the situation in the house of representatives, this is difficult, by and large

we have to prepare for four years of trump. and these four years can be bad or very bad, just bad is the end of all aid to us, but with the possibility that we can buy weapons from american corporations and that trump will not put up any resistance, and in this context, of course, that would be very good to the biden administration hastened and the politician actually created the legal framework for the frozen russian money to be given to ukraine and then we can buy weapons with more than 300 billion of this money there. there can be an even worse option: it is an attempt to put pressure on the ukrainian president to agree to the so-called new territorial realities, and of course that then there will be neither help nor the opportunity to buy weapons, this is the worst option, and of course,

ukrainian society must first of all prepare for this in order not to give the opportunity to break us and... record the actual occupation of ukraine, the illegal annexation, without the possibility of somehow replaying it later, if such a window of opportunity opens in the future, so we have to prepare for the worst, of course, that i wish nikki haley would step up a little bit, but the polls show trump with a huge lead, and we can only hope that the courts of the united states... of the united states can make it possible for, say, nikki haley to win this race, she can't to become the nominee of the republican party, but if, for example , she is convicted under the criminal article of trump, then a certain number of republicans will not want to have their own yanukovych and will vote for someone else, some are already saying that if there is trump, then they will

vote for biden even if he's dead, there are republicans like that, of course , what's important is that... last week, excuse me, this week, this is a ruling by the court of appeals for the district of columbia, d.c., that the trump is not granted absolute immunity, that is , he is prosecuted for criminal offenses that he may have committed, this is half a step to being accused of inciting disorder, to the seizure of power of what happened on january 6. and then this criminal article may be applied to him, although according to according to american law, he can be elected president even from prison, but this factor, that a certain number will not vote for... a person with a criminal record, he can play his role, and of course, other courts can play a role, first of all, to keep his name

off the ballot, i'm not talking about other black or gray people who might happen during this time who might stop trump, but most likely that will be the new reality, at least for four years, starting from january next year. thank you, mr. oleksandr , for the conversation, it was... oleksandr khara, a diplomat, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are now watching us live on youtube and facebook, don't be stingy, please like this video so that it is trending on youtube and facebook, and take part in our survey, today we are asking you about whether you understand the reasons for the resignation of the employee, yes, no, if you vote on youtube, either yes or no, yours. you can write an answer option in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up the phone and vote, if you understand the reasons for the resignation of the employee 0800-211381, no 0800 211

382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end program , we will sum up the results of this vote. further on our broadcast pavlo klimkin, politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in... years, mr. pavle, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, congratulations, mr. serhiy, always happy to be with you and yours by the audience, mutually, mr. pavle, so let 's start with carlson, that tucker and the one who interviewed putin, because putin said through tucker that the americans should not support ukraine, and urged them to do so. it was in an interview with carlos tucker carson. let's listen to what the kremlin dictator said.

you have nothing to do. you have a lot of problems at the border, problems with migration, problems with the national debt, over $33 trillion. there is nothing to do. we must fight in ukraine. wouldn't it be better to agree with russia, agree, understanding the situation that makes up. that is, putin publicly invited biden to the talks on ukraine, i understand correctly, mr. pavle, well, it is not the first time he does this, but he invites not... personally, he invites the republicans as well, and in fact, if you listen, watch his arguments , these are arguments

that are heard in the part of the republican party, that is, they do not dominate, but nevertheless they are discussed, so are the problems on the southern border and the large debt, which is considered to be a pressure ... on inflation puts pressure on macroeconomics, that is, in my opinion, putin's arguments are unlikely to appeal to our sympathizers, in fact, i say in quotation marks, but they can of course appeal to some of the republicans, they are well prepared, as the interview is actually a preparation, i think putin prepared for it and... prepared for a long time, somehow tried to work out the arguments so that they would appeal to a part of the republicans, and thakur carson, who is super popular among

trump supporters, especially among republicans, in general, and was chosen to to once again shift his arguments to the americans, this is actually a proposal, not so much ba... but in general it is possible for the republican administration, or part of the republicans to negotiate through our head, this is what putin always says, he just repeated it again and again direct text. well, in this conversation, putin said that nato should recognize, well, for peace talks, it should recognize the territories that are currently temporarily occupied by the russian federation, yes. that are russian and with zelensky, he is also ready to negotiations, only zelensky doesn't want to, because he has some kind of decree, well, i don't know

where this slang is from. he has a decree and the word decree, he constantly says that zelenskyi has some kind of decree, well, we don’t have decrees, we have presidential decrees, and this decision of the national security council was implemented by the decree of president zelenskyi, but he constantly says that we are ready to peace talks, but he adds that everyone should accept what has already happened as an established fact, that there are territories that have come under russian control, he will no longer have them... he will spend 25 minutes telling this the pseudo-history of ukraine and russia and talked about the fact that we are generally on our own land, and what is happening in ukraine is a coup that began in 2014, then neo-nazis, nazis, the jew zelenskyi came to the presidential chair, these are, of course, neo-nazis and nazis in

ukraine, is it clear to you from the rhetoric that putin has now that he ultimately wants, or is he simply making an offer to the future administration of donald trump, a conditional one that can win and come to power in a year, or is it about ee the whole world, with which he is ready to negotiate something, and he has already matured to tell tens of millions of people through tucker that he is ready for... such negotiations, because this interview was watched by a lot of people in the world, more than 60 million, and this actually those who watch tucker kaxon, he's like 60 million plus and i think this interview is going to be ramped up further and on republican accounts and i think russia is going to help that a lot as far as

the decree goes… if i remember correctly, they were issued just after the october coup, in some soviet times, so the decree is definitely not yet prime minister kuchma had decrees, he had superpowers, do you remember when the verkhovna rada did not have time to pass laws, there were decrees, by the way, there were pro-trust societies, do you remember , by the way, this is interesting. moment really, really was in the history of ukraine, but putin is doing what he has already done with many western leaders, with macron, with scholz, he told them about the history for a long time, and i think that in his own way, in putin's way, he is sincere believes in what he tells and sees himself to those who are actually

trying to... create this story for russia, i watched part of this interview, i didn't have time to watch it, well, i'll have to watch it tonight, but nevertheless, as far as i'm concerned, carson doesn't understand the whole story, he's there tries to pretend that he still understands some of the nuances there, but it is extremely and extremely difficult for him, that is , he is jealous of putin's logic... i don't understand, but what putin is doing is a very dangerous story, he repeats his theses about the fact that there is no ukraine, there is either russia or anti-russia, that a single people, a civil war, and all that, all that madness that always echoes in the historical sense, there are no ukrainians, there is no history, there is no language, the world does not really

come to an end. but it is important for putin that this should reach some of the americans, in order for it to work, so that the republican voters, they will never be pro-russian, but that they will not become pro-ukrainian, that they will not put pressure on their congressmen, that this history will never didn't go in, so what he does is absolutely conscious... conscious preparation, deliberate preparation, he knows why he is speaking, and to whom, to whom it is addressed , as for whether he is ready to negotiate, yes, but only with the americans, and only on the terms that he lays out, as for me, it is not negotiations at all, but rather an attempt to advance one's purely putin point of view.