and of course the united states will work with any military leader that is appointed, and it's clear that our partners, our closest friends, they will treat this person with respect, especially since he has a certain record, and he did not come out of nowhere, that is, he is also an experienced person, but actually, if you look, well, i looked at the british and american press, then they are wondering, what was the real reason for what... happened, well, and everyone, of course, lists such guesses, starting with some political mischief that zelenskyi's administration, or actually zelensky himself saw in luzhluzh as a political competitor, and actually this is one of the reasons, which is actually mentioned in all sources, well, there are other reasons, for example, that luzhluzh was too cautious, and... mr.

zelenskyi needs to show more results, and that is why he can rely more on general syrskyi, who will not argue and will also carry out political tasks, including some tasks of the president of ukraine. well, it is clear that the president has a political framework should determine, but definitely not influence , military decisions to achieve these political goals. therefore, this is a diversity of voices, it shows that... that our bank did not work with its international partners, its most important partners, in order to form there an absolutely clear understanding of why this happened, and of course, the same can be said about ukrainian society , which perceives this more acutely, since, well, first and foremost , our defense forces are in the first place, more than 80% of ukrainians trust the defense forces, and general valuable, as a person who, well...

by and large, is the face of the defense forces, enjoys great advantage and respect in society, the president is somewhere two or three steps lower there in terms of trust there, in his activities and also, and therefore of course, what ordinary ukrainians perceive quite painfully , and especially the expertise of the film, and i'm not talking about the military, because you know that in relation to syrsky, they sometimes say that he is not... given his willingness to work in a decentralized regime, but very often uses soviet methods, well they complain to him, let's say, that he did not value the lives of ukrainian soldiers, in particular they put bakhmut as a claim, it is difficult to evaluate it here, i am not a military historian or an expert, but i think that even military professionals, it will be difficult for them to evaluate the role bakhmut until the war ends. and

until then it is not possible to see to what extent it affected, let’s say, our plans to destroy large volumes of russian forces and, above all, the most combat-capable wagnerites, so this criticism may be fair, it may be unfair, but in in general, it is not the lack of clear communication with our partners and with ukrainian society that gives rise to such a very cold perception of this decision. and whether it was a timely decision, considering that now the congress of the united states of america has to consider the issue of the allocation of financial aid to ukraine, and it is clear that on the one hand the release of zaluzhnyi, on the other hand the large interview that putin gave to carlson , and it also goes, let's say, to the audience, to the mostly american audience, to the audience that influences american...

politicians, congressmen, senators and presidents or presidential candidates of the united states of america, but it coincided in time, we just see how this personnel rotation actually took place, and this is a two-hour interview that has already been watched by more than 60 million , it seems, viewers in the social network x. was it on time that this personnel appointment was made? well, i don't know what guided me. precisely because, in fact, in the last few weeks , tsyamatics has been very relevant in ukraine, and there have been completely different and contradictory signals that this is not being considered, that there is unity, and then that everyone is considered, that is, of course, that it is not understood, it is not clear why, if we look at what is happening in the congress of the united states, this is a process unrelated to us, because there is a pre-election struggle, there is a struggle thoughts mr. trump, who wants

to torpedo the compromise on immigration reform, so that he has something to go to the election, because it is the most painful issue for the american elections. thank god that the decision was voted in the senate with 17 republicans and during, well, for the next four days, the aid should be voted on by the 12th, i think the senate will have no problem with that, our biggest problems will be whether mike johnson, the speaker of the house, will put it to a vote or how can the democrats, who are in the minority... in the house of representatives, organize themselves to overcome this opposition. mike johnson, for him this is not just a question of the border or aid to ukraine, taiwan and israel, but a question of how long he has been in this chair, because he already they threaten that as soon as he puts

the ukrainian issues to the vote, then he will repeat the fate of the previous, previous, his predecessor, who was expelled from there by the republicans, because he... actually also wanted to put aid to ukraine to the vote, if we are talking about the interview , i watched it all and you know, i really liked it, i liked it for several reasons, well , first of all, we see the progressive, mixed, bipolar-effective disorder of the fuehrer of the russian peace, and he said a lot of such things there, which, in principle, do not make sense fix that it is said, he outraged the poles as well. i think that the germans and many others did not say anything new, and i think this is the best thing that happened during this interview, because he would, if he had prepared better with his propagandists, with the caddies, they could launch into the american information space, the things that

the trumpians would play out, and he actually had some ideas there that he was ready to negotiate, which means it's biden's fault, because he means he doesn't... wants to put pressure on zelensky for negotiations, well, again after all, they mentioned boris johnson, who allegedly stopped zelensky from signing a peace agreement, mentioned arakamia, and of course this problem with this surname will haunt us for a long time, especially certain comments, and that is precisely why this interview is very good, it showed an inadequate old man who lives in his conventional world, he may be... satisfied with the story that he, of course, is historical, or rather, sorry, pollution, but on the other hand , he is unhappy that the united states has always not taken into account the interests russian federation, and by and large the trumpian propaganda can take little from this interview, already a lot of memes have gone and

it is a great pleasure to read how americans perceive this, well i have intellectual americans, not those who drink six a can of beer every night. so everything, everything is fine, it could have been a lot worse, and to be honest, mine was, let's say, i was a little worried, i thought that tucker clarkson might have brought with him certain messages for putin, from trump, and it was, remember you see, michael flynn, general, which, well actually he was convicted of trying to negotiate with another country before he was even appointed. and it seemed to me that tucker clarson had such a mission, but according to the results of the interview, most likely it was not, and most likely, there was nothing more than this picture, nothing behind this picture. the head of the bundestag committee on international affairs, michael roth, in a comment

to chevelyel, expressed concern over the delay in providing ukraine with new military aid from the united states of america, i quote michael roth. block. help ukraine in the congress is only the first harbinger of what can still happen if donald trump is taken to the white house in november, then immediately the security of europe will no longer be guaranteed. the future of free and independent ukraine will be in the greatest danger. actually carlson himself, this tucker clarson, carson forgive me, he is a trumpian, he is. one of those who are called the future vice president of the united states of america, i don't know if it's a joke or if it's true, trump plans to do, and what he did in two hours with putin, i have mind you, i just let putin talk and

all this historical nonsense, excuse me, voice it, for 25 minutes putin talked about the pseudo-history of ukraine and russia, that was just it. it was very unpleasant to listen to, but whether the americans understood something or not, maybe for those who drink six cans of beer in the evening, it is not so important, the main thing. that tucker is interviewing him shows something, but the fact that the republicans in congress are now trying in any way to delay the vote on aid to ukraine, this is tucker's interview with putin to play along with both trump and in this situation the republicans, does that mean that the most difficult period will be until... november 2024, because it looks like we thought that

the most difficult time will be after the election, or let's say in the interval when a new president is elected, the inauguration will take place, whoever that president will be, that is, we thought it would be at the end of the 24th year, but everything that is happening in the united states of america in the framework of the election campaign, it has begun much earlier, and it hit exactly ukraine. well, you know, trump himself is chaos , he's creating chaos, and of course that's his factor, it's difficult to take into account where he can still shoot, and on the one hand, for four months , senators from both parties agreed on a compromise solution, and it's a pretty good solution , and a large number of republicans also say this, but political expediency, it prevails over voting for this document, and actually we see that if there is a war, as the trumpians say,

there is a war in the south of the united states , there is an intrusion all the bad ones, that is, the refugees, it is logical that one should do everything possible to stop it or start controlling it, but no, it is better for trump to leave this problem, and of course, then more votes for him, well, trumpians, of course, they will vote anything, but conscious ... republicans and then try to solve it in a different configuration of the congress, because of course trump hopes that he will get more votes there and will control something there. therefore, this factor could not be predicted will start working like this. the second point, of course, is signals, including to putin, because it is quite possible that this idea will stop aid to ukraine, and then start negotiations, that it will be just right. carlson 's attack on the trumpians, and by and large this

is what trump said, that he would give putin and zelensky 24 hours to solve the problem, if not, and because of the fault of whoever does it, there will be corresponding consequences, or ukraine will stop receiving aid, or on the contrary, there will be a lot of aid, that is, we do not know what is going on there, that's why it's hard to say that the senate is most likely to vote for aid to ukraine next week, it looks like because 17 republicans have expressed their desire and they have already voted by a large number, and how can you strategically change the situation in the house of representatives, it's difficult, by and large we have to prepare for four years of trump, and those four years could be bad or very bad, just bad - it's the end of aid in the... at all, but with the ability for us to be able to buy weapons from american corporations and that trump will not

make any resistance, and in this context, of course, that it would be very good for the biden administration to hurry up and actually create a political legal framework for the frozen russian money to be provided to ukraine, and then we with more than 300 billion of this money, we can buy weapons, it could be even worse. option, this is an attempt to put pressure on the ukrainian president to agree to the so-called new territorial realities, and of course, then there will be neither help nor the opportunity to buy weapons, this is the worst option, and of course, ukrainian society must first of all prepare for this in order not to give us the opportunity to break us and actually record the occupation of ukraine, an illegal and annexation, without the possibility to replay it in any way... , if such a window of opportunity opens up in the future, so we have to prepare for

the worst, of course we'd like nikki haley to step up a bit, but the polls show that trump is massively ahead, and we can just hope that the courts of the united states can make it possible, let's say, for nikily to win this race, she can't be the nominee of the ... republican party, but if, for example, she is convicted under the trump criminal article, then a certain number of republicans will not want to have own yanukovych and will vote for someone else. some are already saying that if there is trump, they will vote for biden even if he is dead, there are republicans like that, of course, what is important is what happened last week, so sorry, this week, this is a decision by the court of appeals for the district of columbia, district of columbia, that trump's activities are not covered

by absolute immunity, meaning that he is liable for criminal offenses that he could... this is a half-step to charging him with inciting disorderly conduct, before the seizure of power , to take place on january 6, and then this criminal article can be applied to him, although according to american law he can even be elected president from prison, but this factor that a certain number will not vote for a person with a criminal record, he can play his role, and of course, other courts can play a role before. everyone, so that his name does not appear on the ballots, i am not talking about other black or gray people who may happen during this time, who may prevent trump, but most likely it will be a new reality, at least for four years, starting from january next year. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation, it was oleksandr khara, a diplomat, we work

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thank you for being with us today. congratulations, mr. serhiy. always glad to be with you and with your audience, mutually, mr. pavle. so let's start with carvson, the one tucker and the one who interviewed putin, because putin said through tucker that americans should not support ukraine, and called for it, precisely in the interview with carlos tucker carson. let's listen to what the kremlin dictator said. you have nothing to do, you have a lot of problems on the border, problems with migration, problems with the national debt, more than 33 trillion dollars, there is nothing to do, you have to fight in ukraine, wouldn’t it be better to come to an agreement with russia, come to an agreement, understanding the situation, which is drawn up on this day, understanding that russia

will fight for his interests to the end, return to common sense, start with... that is, putin publicly invited biden to the talks regarding ukraine, do i understand correctly, mr. pavle? well, it's not the first time he's done this, but he's not inviting biden personally, he 's inviting the republicans as well, and in fact, if you ... hear, look at his arguments, they're arguments that are coming from the republican side, so they're not dominant , but nevertheless they are discussed, as well as problems on the southern border, and a large debt, which it is believed to put pressure on inflation, put pressure

on the macroeconomics, that is, in my opinion, putin's arguments are unlikely... to appeal to our sympathizers, unlikely, i say in quotes, but they can, of course , appeal to some of the republicans, they are well prepared, as the interview is actually a preparation, i think putin prepared for it and prepared for it for a long time, somehow tried to work out the arguments so that they went precisely to... part of the republicans and tucker carson, who is super popular among trump supporters, especially among republicans, in general, and chosen to to once again shift his arguments to the americans, this is actually an offer, not so much to biden, but in general to a possible

republican administration, or part of the republicans to negotiate through our head, this is what putin always says, he just repeated it again and repeated it directly , well, in this conversation, putin said that on... he should recognize, well, for peace negotiations, he should recognize the territories that are currently temporarily occupied by the russian federation as russian, and he is also ready with zelensky to the talks, only zelensky doesn't want to, because he has some kind of decree, well, i don't know where he has this slang decree and the word decree, he constantly talks about the fact that zelensky has some kind of decree, well, we don't have decrees, there are presidential decrees... and this decision of the nsdc was introduced by the decree of president zelenskyi, but he constantly says that we are ready for peace talks, but he

adds that everyone should accept what has already happened as an established fact, that there are territories that came under the control of russia, he will no longer give them up, for this he talked for 25 minutes this pseudo-history of ukraine and russia, and talked about... the fact that we are on our own land, and what is happening in ukraine is a coup that began in 2014, then neo-nazis, nazis, the jew zelensky came to the presidential chair, this of course, neo-nazis and nations in ukraine, eh, do you understand from the rhetoric that putin has now, what he ultimately wants, or is he just making an offer to the future administration? donald trump, a candidate who can win and come to power in a year, or is it even about, the whole world, with whom he is ready

to negotiate something, and he has just matured to tell tens of millions of people through tucker that he is ready for such negotiations, because this interview was watched by a lot of people in the world, more than 60 million people. and this is in fact. those watching tucker kaxon, he's like 60 million plus, and i think this interview is going to be ramped up further, and on republican accounts, and i think russia is going to help that a lot, as far as the decree goes, if i'm correct i remember, then they just appeared after the july coup. in some early soviet times, so prime minister kuchma still had decrees,

he had superpowers, remember when the verkhovna rada did not have time to pass laws, there were decrees, by the way, there were pro-trust societies, remember you know, by the way, this is an interesting moment, it really, really happened in the history of ukraine, but putin is doing that. what he has already done with many western leaders, with macron, scholz, he told them about the history for a long time, and i think that he, in his own way, in putin's way, sincerely believes that he tells, and sees himself as the one who is actually trying to create this story for russia. i watched part of this interview, i didn't have time to watch it, well... i'll have to watch it tonight, but nevertheless, i don't think carson understands the whole story, he 's trying to pretend that he's there

some nuances he still understands, but it is extremely and extremely difficult for him, that is, putin's logic by definition is not clear to him, but what putin is doing is a very dangerous story. he repeats his theses. that there is no ukraine, there is either russia or anti-russia, that there is a single people , civil war, and all that, all that madness that always echoes in the historical sense, there are no ukrainians, there is no history, there is no language, the world does not really come into being, but it is important to putin that it it came down to some americans, so that it would work for... so that the republican voters, they would never be pro-russian, but so that they would not become pro-ukrainian, so that they would not

put pressure on their... congressmen, so that this story would never entered, therefore what he does is absolutely conscious, conscious preparation, deliberate preparation, he knows why he is speaking, and to whom , to whom it is addressed, as to whether he is ready to negotiate, yes, but only with the americans, and only on the terms that he lays out, as for me, it's not at all. if not negotiations, but some kind of attempt to advance one's purely putin's point of view and start some kind of more or less conscious conversation from this, i mean not what we have with the russian regimes, but also the american one from russia, well, it actually looks bad, although, we see that putin is also

trying to make inroads into... the nuclear sphere tries to say that russia will defend its interests as best it can, as putin himself understands them, and that there are issues related to, for example, strategic stability, control over nuclear weapons, and that these issues will still have to be discussed, and then our question will become only part of this logic, so this interview should not be underestimated. i do not think that it was successful, but nevertheless, putin is working on his task, and it is very important for us now to somehow reach those who watched this interview, and you yourself say that now it is more than 60 million views , and reaching those people is also a matter of national security for us, but mr. pavle,

putin is repeating again... well, almost repeating the same thing that he said or wrote in the ultimatum that was in december 21 , on the eve of the war, when he marked some geographical points where russia should have influence there in eastern europe, of course this will no longer happen, that's for sure, but he talks again about the fact that we were deceived, that the united states the united states cheated that... nato cheated, well, that is, these mantras, which he repeats from speech to speech, from article to article, he constantly says that the world and , well, the united states of america in particular, must take into account the interests of russia, because russia is a great power, and it is not worth entering into world war, he said in an interview to tucker that no, no, no, it is not necessary to do this, because it is difficult to imagine the consequences there, for which he

constantly, well, warms up, is that russia should return this influence in eastern europe, which once had the soviet union, although he constantly says that russia is holding this sign of equality with the soviet union, well, in interviews i caught him several times saying that russia, well, when it was still the soviet union, well, he constantly says that russia is the sign of equality of the soviet union, and this is heredity , he is always about it. says, the empire, the soviet union, russia, for him it is one and the same, and that is exactly how he sees it, and he will continue to emphasize it, that is, if he says that he was deceived, well then, what kind of russia is his own, how he says, a great state if it has given itself to deceive, that is, here he contradicts himself,

as in many... other issues, but with this interview he tries to raise the stakes and someone, that is, the one who listens to him, if not to count, then to convey the meaning that he is ready go all the way, and if he's ready, then at some point we'll still have to negotiate, and let's negotiate, because i'm only willing to talk to americans, he 's talking about it... directly, and it's a very important story, because he's trying to jump over here not only through our head, but and through the europeans, and today olaf scholz is in washington, and it will be a very, very important meeting in the context of the solidarity of the west.