processing plants and the russians said that nothing special had happened there and that it would take from several days to a maximum of a week there to actually change everything, but satellite images showed that this was absolutely not the case, and the destruction of certain individual specialized installations, including including for the production of aviation fuel, were so significant that for their restoration or replacement it will take from six months to several years , including several billion rubles, here. therefore, the russians cannot be trusted in this regard it is possible, it is still necessary to wait for the appearance of some independent sources of information, here, but most likely it may not necessarily be a kemikaz drone strike, we remember that on the territory of russia explosions took place not only with the help of drones, including, various ukrainian units are quite active there, and they can carry out certain countermeasures against military facilities of the russian federation, including. we remember that relevant

various means and incidents occurred at russian enterprises, including necessarily with the participation of ukraine, that is , we understand that there are also certain internal forces of resistance on the territory of the russian federation, which in one way or another may also take part in this. we all remember how the institute for the production of these same rockets, including there calibers, etc., burned down, and accordingly. most of the development documentation was burned, so it is possible that these engineers themselves set fire to this office so that later simply none of them would be brought to justice due to the fact that the missiles they supply are not corresponded to one or another of the declared characteristics, because also a few weeks ago there was information that after the launches of the same kinjalu and zircon missiles, 12 scientists were detained from one of the...

scientific research institutes, three of them died directly there after being detained, that is, we we understand that, in principle, sometimes even the russian power structures themselves help to eliminate those involved in the production of weapons that are used against ukraine, photos of the f-16 with ukrainian symbols appeared and an interview with the pilot also appeared under the e. call sign for the voice of america, i don't know if you've seen this interview, actually he talks about how the impressions of our military who are currently training, actually our pilots who are training on the f-16 and say, that this is a completely different level of aircraft than those with which they had to deal with the soviet ones, in fact, when will we be able to, when, when for... this

training, when will these f-16s work in the ukrainian sky? well, look, we all remember that it was about the fact that the immediate appearance of this aircraft in ukraine is expected at the end of the first or during the second quarter, but to date there have been no changes to these estimates from the western partners, that is, we still expect that the f-16 should begin to appear in the ukrainian skies in the spring. whether these terms will be adjusted also for today remains an open question, because earlier it was said that they would appear, relatively speaking, there in december, november of last year, then these terms were revised from the point of view of spring on the 24th of the year, here, but so far no new estimates have been received, we understand that the training period for ground specialists and pilots, in principle, should come to an end in the coming months, that's all... that's my

personal opinion , that in the coming months we will probably already be able to see f-16 in ukrainian airspace, if , of course, there are no changes again, and here we are probably not even talking about any technical changes, here, first of all, we will certainly be talking about some political processes , which may prevent the timely delivery of the data type of weapons in ukraine. mr. bohdan, well , there was information that defense express wrote about the united states last year, 21 stormtroopers wrote, and where. and this year another 42 are going to be written off, they are being sent for conservation, the publication reminds at the same time that these attack aircraft in america are considered much less effective than attack helicopters, nevertheless, again if the question arises, why not give ukraine 63 aircraft in a pile more in normal condition, because they are literally taken from the combat duty by the combat duty. could they be helpful

or now in the conditions of modern air defense, they did not have, would not be effective at the front. well, look, if we're talking about these...types of attack aircraft, it's still a matter of not scrapping them, they're just going to preserve them, we know that in the united states there are certain so-called eh warehouses aircraft, in fact, where a large number of them are conserved, including hundreds of f-16 aircraft of various modifications, and that in order to understand what conservation is about, if conservation is carried out on the territory of the russian federation, they just pulled this plane, threw it somewhere in the middle of the field, well ... that there are fences, at least some watchman, then in the united states the preservation of the plane looks like this, in fact, all the technological fluids are drained from it, a special protective grease is applied, and then this the plane is also wrapped in a special film that protects it from overheating so that it can actually be stored, and such

planes can be stored for tens of years at the appropriate test sites in the desert, so that there is no excess moisture there and, in fact, in the event needs, they can actually be deconserved and restored there within a few weeks without using an excessive amount of funds, of course, the supply of these aircraft to ukraine would be appropriate, because this is an addition to the soviet front-line su-24 attack aircraft, that is, it is a fairly powerful weapon, and they, they are somewhat comparable to su-24s, or are they aircraft of a different class, because they use different types of weapons, they have different speeds, that is, uh... they are still different classes, but the range of tasks for which they were developed , he in is similar in principle, that is, the task of striking the front line from the point of view of the enemy's fortified areas, this is the destruction of military equipment, this is the destruction of columns of military equipment, this is the dropping of an aerial bomb, including,

if we are talking about this particular a10, then it also has another a very powerful aircraft gun, which can actually counter not only infantry or light armor. in principle, in some cases, it can destroy even tanks or armored personnel carriers. mr. bohdan, thank you for the conversation, bohdana dolintse, aviation the expert was with us, we are going for a short break, we are coming back, and further on our air will be a conversation with a psychologist, about why many ukrainians this week have developed a feeling of great anxiety, what can be done about it, is it possible can this be done? stay with us. no one is immune to burst pipes, and even a small leak can cost you tens of thousands of hryvnias for repairs. unpack tv presents superprotect insulating tape. strong, rubberized, waterproof tape that

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so, dear friends, we are coming back, and these are our final 20 minutes in the first part, i remind you that today we are working with andrii seychuk, lesya vokolyuk, two events for you, then more... let's go at 2 p.m. we will continue, now we will talk with natalia podulyak , a psychologist, and we will ask why all ukrainians are so worried, especially this week, whether it is the influence of february, the most difficult month in the life of ukrainians, which has been proven by more than one event, or is it because of the fact that this week it was confirmed that valery zaluzhny was dismissed and replaced commander-in-chief, mrs. nataliya... congratulations, congratulations, good morning, in fact , i hear from many acquaintances that they

had such a feeling this week, as it was on the eve of february 24, 22, why yes, ugh, well, let's say that the greatest human fear is the fear of uncertainty, and on february 24, 2022, it was total fear and total. on the uncertain what to do , where to run, er, how will it be, will we stay alive or not, and now the date is approaching, this is also a trigger for many people, and plus the release, it's worth it, eh, it's also like that the news, which raised a lot of alarm, because it is nowhere to be found in the official state sources, yes, whether it is from the president’s office, or whether his assistants are there at all, well, it was not , why, for what, i understood that it is

a military sure secret , but at least to give people some explanation, it would reduce the level of anxiety, i was already thinking to myself, well, it ’s like it’s being done on purpose to destabilize people, because people really fell like a house of cards after this news, because a big such... what were the hopes, great trust, and for sure, it is like that unit, and who is the person who was the most trusted by all people, regardless of political interests, and here this person, whom everyone trusted very, very much, is removed, and accordingly, again rises to a great, high level of anxiety, and what will be with us and what to do, where to run, and we don't hear... we don't know, i think that it is precisely this unknown and fear of the unknown, he raised, well, such

an emotional state in people, it became unstable, and of course it affects our psychological mental state, but i just wanted, you know, to ask something like that, that's the only one there the american military historian wrote, probably correctly, that in general in a democratic society. democratic states, it is characteristic of them to fall in love with their commanders during great wars, because the commanders are very advantageously distinguished at this moment from politicians who are busy with something... and so on, they are so few words, they are courageous some, for sure, all of them are of the father, some include various archetypes, and but still, if we talk about zaluzhno, that is, it is actually it, and, that is, and it's just us, if you think about it that way, few of us personally, no, many of us are personally

familiar with zaluzhny, but no, no, not 80 or not 90% who simply felt it. we are a little orphaned after this news, what is the psychological phenomenon of this attachment, is it really an adult, or is it really adequate? uh, well, probably, there are mixed feelings here, yes, there is such an idealization, i also noticed that, well, in principle, most of us are not familiar with him and do not know anything, except for that, uh, except for that information , that picture and the image that is presented to us about him, yes, and we very often... it is inherent in us humans to fall in love, to be fascinated by an image, but as i say, there is a person, and there is an image, and very often we are in this image, well this we are fascinated by the image, there is a note of that, well, i don’t even argue , especially when i read the comments there in social networks, uh, when they say our father, well, it

scares me a little in general, because if we choose someone there... well, it is important political or some other figure as a father, then we become infantile, to us in our situation, where the war is going on, we must not become infantile, because infantilism is present in children, it is present in the weak, the elderly, and we have to rely on our adult personality, that is how such a general is, we trust him, we respect him and surely miss him, when he was removed from his job there, but there are us, we stay to ourselves, and it is important to do what we know how to do, lately i often tell people that everyone in their place should do their work well, well, qualitatively, and, that is, whatever happened, i'm still there, i'm like a mother,

i take the children to school, pick them up, there, as an employee, i go to work and... the scope of my work, well, to be honest, in our country, we did not get discouraged by any situation and did not fall into such jokes, oh god, we were abandoned, we were not abandoned, we are, we are in ourselves, it just seems to me that all the time, when at the beginning of this answer there was a huge, huge, but different, when you said that yes, of course , on the one hand, but somewhere from there , the second is also but, after all, valery zaluzhnyi became the personification of er... here he is somehow became his own for everyone, well, it’s not just like that either, that is, you at the expense of what, what people saw in zaluzhu, besides the fact that it is so, it is a military man, a figure, a father and so on, ugh, well, you know, there when i watched an interview with him, he carries such a great calmness, that calmness and that he knows what he is doing, well, it is

read there at the level of our mirror neurons. they work mirror neurons without our consciousness, that is, we do not analyze, we do not criticize there, and when a person carries something, we still work unconsciously mirror neurons neurons, when he speaks there, when he smiles, he very clearly and carefully says what he thinks is necessary there, or what he thinks, he shares his thoughts, he gave a lot of support to people there, yes it was. very simple phrases in fact, but these are the phrases that were important for us to hear, that we will win there, that we are moving forward, that now there is a difficult situation, but we know what we are doing, well, some such, his speeches sounded, which stabilized people, and people

studied then, there they read about him, that this figure, when he appeared, well, his biography. they were interested there, and this figure of his, who carried peace, this is also very important for us, because we are now in complete total unrest, in fact, this story, it began several months, because we observed how, for example, on the page of one politician, the people 's deputy had a constant systematic m some compilation of slanders or some... photos with captions saying that look this person abuses alcohol, stalking, i.e. specifically against one person in the past weeks from... first appeared in telegram channels, and then journalists began to look for refutation or confirmation of this information, and then a message

from the ministry of defense appeared, which everyone interpreted in their own way, because it was somehow impersonal, journalists, no , it is not true, what is not true, about whom it is not true, and then a message appeared, but it was already quite later, when people were already so unelectrified, from the press secretary of the president, nikiforov. and his last name about the fact that such conversations are not being held about release, and people immediately appointed the culprits in this story, the journalists are to blame , they were the ones who shook the situation around valery zaluzhny, they were the ones who provoked this wave, no, there was another version, which is visible in everything poroshenko, who once praised zaluzhny a couple of times, and so zelenskyi got the wrong impression that he was an industrious... gobot, and after that, so to speak, a shadow fell between the relationship, well , seriously, it was spread by her telegram-channels are known, well, of course

, no one apologized to journalists, i don’t know whether to poroshenko apologized, ee and and because after all, it was confirmed this week, and so it is true, and so it is true about valery zaluzhnyi, and so obviously we draw conclusions, taking into account and relying on the reports of the western press, that... that after all volodymyr zelenskyy decided to send valery zaluzhny out of office, why did people not follow these cause-and-effect relationships, but appointed those guilty who are really innocent in this situation and really do everything to ensure that there is democracy in this country, that people have access to information, true information. well, i'm not i don't know, does anyone do all this on purpose, planned, or does it work out like that for all of them? higher-ranking persons , but communication is completely broken, and i also read a lot of journalists, and journalists also

shout sos, we do not have access to any information, to any high-ranking persons in order to fix this particular link, which is information, it is submitted, people read it, yes, but it turns out that this trick does not work, i.e. how is it spoiled in love relationships, whether it is in systemic ones, we take the country as a system, or it is, for example, in family relationships systemic, if communication is broken , there is a lot of fear, there is a lot of anxiety, there are a lot of conflicts, and we know that journalists do not have access to our authorities, they do not have access, so there is no conference, there are no common points touch in order to make it transparent, no one says that the government should take and pour all its strategies and plans out there, but also

in the backwaters, we now have what we have, so when communication is broken, it is always in relationships not misunderstandings, conflicts, and when we don't know something, that's it common to all people, we defantasize a lot of things and... we fantasize, as a rule , with a minus sign, that is, i don’t know the information, oh my god, something happened there, there must be something , well, we never defantasize, but in a fun way, therefore there is a lot of fantasy, by the way, if we have, for example, two people, relatively speaking, two people, and they know each other very well, they basically follow similar habits, they have very similar views for life, such people are often observed by marriage. steam, what's up? you don't need to burn a lot of things, it's called mutual understanding, but when we have such a complicated country as ukraine, it's really very complicated,

everyone can see it, for example, ambassadors from ukraine come to ukraine, for example, there is roman vashchuk , who himself is ukrainian by origin, he says that ukraine is an extremely complicated country, it is poorly understood by ukrainians themselves, it is hardly understood by partners, and it is complicated because different people. different languages, different traditions, different, different historical memory, different culture, different religion, it's complicated here, it's really very complicated, just look at us by surnames, even now, there are some ethnic ukrainians here, some ethnic ones there, i don't know, there are georgians, there are some there and so on, so on, crimean tatars are also autochthonous , for example, on this ukrainian land of words, well, we have salt. is it important to communicate everything in such conditions, how detailed should be communicated and in what

tone. in such a case, to speak anything in such a country, is communication really important, but from a psychological point of view, uh, well a structure and algorithms must be built, who, with whom, how and when, what cleanliness, that is, what, so that i know that i will turn on such and such a channel, such and such news there at 9 in the morning, and i know what will happen ... communication is alive, or information will be conveyed there through journalists, through, well, any channels there, i know that i receive a portion of information, for example, not some kind of marathon, but if the information is not reassuring, disturbing, yes, but it will be constant and systematic when we have sameness, repeatability, and we know that it is always in spite of... it is also with loved ones

conditions, it already reduces the degree of our anxiety , when we have something new every day, every day some kind of explosion, every day nothing is clear, well, people live in a vacuum, and this vacuum creates such an unstable emotional and psychological state, well, we we don't know where to go, we don't know, i understand that this is a war, it makes its own adjustments and brings its own... instability, but our government must build this communication algorithm, and the more it is not there, the more terrible fantasies we have , all the more so that everyone can have these fantasies different, some camps are being created, some conflicts are being created between people, well, on any topic, and of course, it is not in the hands of all of us, so that

at least somewhere, at least in something, there is... some clarity and, so to speak, stability. we have a few more minutes left, ms. natalya, and many people will now say that they do not have the strength for any more extra movements, that is, they can only do some kind of woke up, had breakfast, went to work, came home from work, did the minimum and everything, that's all there is enough strength for, is the absence of the sun, because we have people outside and it's already the third month of winter, or are these still the consequences? the second year of the war, that people limit some of their expenditure of energy, well, i think there is a whole complex here, first of all, winter, sunny days, we, we are all sun eaters, and many people’s mood depends there, on the presence or absence of the sun, it is approaching, as we talked about the previous date and the wars, this is a trigger, this is news, no one expected them there, and they hit everyone hard,

i will accumulate this. during all the years when the war is going on and i say, for example, to people that do as much as you can, you don't have to wait, and yes, but now my battery is not at 100%, it works at 30, i say, okay, let it be 30, yes, well, spring is always an awakening, and i see that in the spring, people hear it better, yes , the sun is shining there, the birds are singing, there is some hope that everything is waking up, that everything is being restored, so be patient, dear ukrainians, it will not be long, don’t delay, we have to hold on to spring, and it is important to support each other , not destroy. thank you, ms. natalya, for these words, nataliya podulyak, psychology was with us, dear friends, we support each other, we do not demand the impossible from ourselves, we donate, we support our army, because this is also support

for our neighbor, on whom we depend. peace in our country, i remind you that you can do it on our website, find the espresso volunteers section, espresso.tv. thank you for being with us, andriy saichu, lesya vakulyuk, we're not saying goodbye, because we'll be back on the air at 2 p.m., so stay with espresso. greetings, it's news time on the espresso tv channel. kateryna shiropoyas works in the studio. all are hostile shaheds flying to the capital were shot down on the approaches to kyiv. according to the military administration of the kyiv region, debris fell on the territory of the enterprise, damage.