sharper, let's say, in his statements, and i think that this is also the result of the fact that he also had such a peculiar european experience, and the fact that he was the prime minister in finland, the fact that he was in the european commission , uh, and he has more of an international approach, i think that these statements, well, let's say, his, so, how can you compare a little bit to... the situation in poland, where sikorski, who is the minister of foreign affairs, and has such sharper approaches, sharp statements, sharp decisions, perhaps this is also due to the fact that oleksandr stup is younger, and this is a new generation of finns who are no longer so dependent on the russian-finnish policy that was there or the russian-soviet finnish-soviet policy that was in the 70s and 80s. he was brought up more

on such traditions, well more modern ones, of the politics of finland in relation to russia, and the politics of europe in relation to russia, and we can say that this is such a victory of a political nation, because oleksandr shtub, as far as i understand, is half swedish , and he is swedish-speaking, according to his first language, his wife is generally english, and it seems to me that the last president finland, who spoke... swedish as a native language was marshall mannerheim's since then , there simply hasn't been such a thing, well, i think that in fact stup is more associated with finnish politics and and than with there, let's say from this it is true that he is swedish by origin, but i think that more, after all, he has an association he has he has in society'. still

the image of a finnish politician, but tell me, mr. andrii, if we turn to polish events, it became known just before our broadcast that polish farmers on the border poured grain from of several ukrainian trucks near the crossing point of berries, dorogousk, dorogusk, i apologize, well, what to do with it, you see, the situation is not resolved, it is not resolved, well, this is... this is barbarism, this is a crime, this must be investigated, this must be done involve law enforcement agencies, if this happened, then it is necessary to restore order, first of all, it is necessary to restore order to the places of those protests in poland, this time farmers are protesting near the ukrainian-polish border, before it was truck carriers, and actually such contagious... an example of the fact that these

truckers somehow managed to agree on something there, they did not completely solve the problem, but they took a break and postponed it until march 1, then the farmers saw their example and said: "well, why not let us hold protests near the border with ukraine, why not do it on international highways, the attention of the whole world is focused on this, and then we will be noticed, this..." this is a very bad signal, so we need to restore order, of course, and this should engage the polish law enforcement agencies, and absolutely to punish those who do this , protests are one thing, peaceful protests are another thing, an attack on ukrainian trucks is another thing, and again, i return to what i already said, it is impossible, it is not possible.

to allow this to happen on the ukrainian-polish border, to allow these protests to happen on the ukrainian -polish border or by blocking international highways leading to ukraine. and what can the polish government do in such a situation? i want to understand. well, look, first of all, these protests, which now the farmers have started, they are primarily directed against the european rural. economic policy, agrarian policy , against the so-called green order, eh , here, in addition , ukraine has become a certain hostage of the situation when eh, this european policy limits the development of agriculture in such eh countries as poland, due to the fact that they have small agricultural lands , and it is aimed at the development of large...

large-scale agricultural farms, and therefore their products, their products become competitively unsustainable on the european market, here on... ukrainian agricultural products also appeared, which are cheaper, which are competitive, and which ones are supported, and which ones are valued by demand, and because of what the polish can do government, it is to conduct negotiations, to conduct negotiations with the protesters, to conduct negotiations with brussels and to conduct negotiations with ukraine, because this solution to this issue is complex, it is also the solution to this issue of the demands of farmers is imposed by internal political, internal political confrontations in poland, because many farmers who started these strikes

largely supported the previous government, in particular the solidarity trade union. farmers, the solidarity of agricultural producers, and they, of course, well, the polish government just needs to find ways to find a compromise in solving those demands of farmers, also taking into account the ukrainian factor. if we talk about the sensation of this week, which happened during the interview. the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin, to the american commentator torker carlson the interview itself did not become a sensation, but the fact that putin actually defended the foreign policy of adolf hitler in 1939 and said that poland played itself and allowed itself to be attacked, that germany had no other

choice, is normal for all of us, i b said such an opening, and it seems to me that in poland, too, all this was watched with wide-open eyes, how do you perceive it in general, these are the words about... the russian president, look, here are two, two of these elements: first, to me it is not at all clear, well , it is clear, of course, why such an interview took place, but of course we criticize this and understand that there are a lot of untruths that were told in this interview, but imagine that this interview is broadcast to the american public, there are several hundred million... there are viewers, and in fact , this carlson youtube channel, and actually, well, i don't think they go into the history very much, and they know the history, and they don't think, oh, well, if

the president of the country says it, the president of russia, it must be true, and so all this nonsense and all this distorted history is spreading among american society and among the electorate above all of the republican party. in poland, of course, this was treated critically, these judgments of putin were completely criticized. the ministry of foreign affairs made a corresponding statement, published those 10 inaccuracies or, in general, it is more correct to say lies, 10 points of lies that were told by putin in relation to poland and ukraine, but nevertheless, well, in fact, we can justify it, but the main ones, such as target

groups, the main consumers of this information there will be americans, this is quite, quite dangerous, so i think it is necessary... to activate all of us who stand up and have their vision, the correct vision of history and activate this propagandist, counter-propagandist activity in america and show how such statements and such interviews are dangerous for the formation of an image of putin and the formation of insults. europe in for the americans, and isn't there a word that russia is not going to attack poland, but will respond if poland itself attacks it, such an indirect threat to poland in quite tense, yes, you, you know this absolutely well, i absolutely also feel that

these kind of statements are actually a rather alarming signal that putin will be able to use them. this, this is a kind of justification, an argument that he can attack poland if poland attacks them, and invent already... reasons why poland attacked russia, he will have a lot of reasons, well, in particular even at least because will shoot down a russian missile on the territory of poland, which will be mistakenly launched in the direction of ukraine, but she will fly to poland, can they negotiate the use of the airport. whether the airport grounds in rzeszów as a kind

of threat, because weapons against russia are supplied through it, and this is already an attack on russia, or simply come up with some kind of provocation and thus have grounds for justification for attacking poland. in poland it is taken seriously, and i think i hear more and more. in poland, who say that we need to get serious enough about strengthening poland's defense capabilities, in the end they do it, well, that is, they will do you think, yes, i think they will prepare, they are already preparing for it, and the previous government did it, and as you can see, the current government is doing it now, and the purchase of new, new military equipment and strengthening, increasing the budget . defense immediately, trump will have nothing

to say, because poland spends more than 2% of its gdp on armaments and nato, and its creation of new military units, including territorial defense forces, and the placement of american military bases in poland and military and large military forces. training, which are happening in poland, so poland is preparing and is fully aware that russia can attack them, although quite consciously as well, as at least the current polish ruling politicians declare that the best means to protect poland will be to help ukraine and win ukraine in the war with russia, and this is what polish prime minister donald tusk, minister of foreign affairs, says. the affairs of rodosław sikorski, they and other polish politicians,

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germany. congratulations, mr. mykhailo. good evening. well, so our first topic is what is happening with the relationship between russia and turkey. putin's visit to turkey has been postponed again. why, in your opinion, is the russian president in no hurry to go to ankara? it is not so much that he is in a hurry as that he is not in a hurry. the fact is that erdogan is not yet completed its movement in this direction. specifically, erdoğan does not have a completely formed position on how he will continue to behave in this role of mediator, which he dreams of. which he sells to the domestic audience, that is, he is waiting for certain signals, in a certain sense, it seems to me, it is connected with the help of the united states in ukraine, that is, if this assistance is continued, the chances are still such, then erdoğan may still will continue to postpone putin's visit, that is, he took a certain pause, and of course they gave

putin the opportunity to save face, to say that in i will choose, that is, it is difficult to say here who... among them made the decision, his visit to the dprk is currently being prepared there, but it seems that erdogan is waiting for help from the european union to ukraine, so to speak, it will be a trend to get help from of the united states , well, he will take a look here, especially now the dynamics are in his favor, the americans have already approved the sale of the f16 to him, and he is doing well on many lines there... the rights can be postponed a little, that is, in a certain sense he even turned putin into hostage to his politics, he succeeds in some such tactical variations. and you can say that now turkey's relations with the west have improved due to the fact that sweden's accession to nato was finally resolved. and why does erdogan have such improved relations just for the sake

of planes? well, turkey was one of the countries that first jumped into nato to... years, but the turkey of those years and erdogan's turkey are, to some extent, two different countries. turkey has quite powerful economic issues that they have to solve, and erdoğan sees that his future is not some kind of putin's ally under putin, but an independent person, an independent politician, an almost world-class leader who can be placed alongside others, that is, it is also worth taking into account his very psychology , he will not be like lukashenko or anyone else there, he is a figure of a completely different scale, who has become a hostage of this scale, and therefore in this case, turkey, guided by this policy of rather pragmatic interests, is taking certain steps, making other steps and looks further, where are the reactions

, where is the benefit, that is why it is quite predictable here , no one objected that the turks are from... say sweden, for example, that is how they tried to swing this map with the burning of the kuran, but we see that all these the russian and pro-russian things that we played, they did not succeed, so it is not that turkey's relations improved, rather they activated their old ties and somewhere, so to speak, erdogan stopped demonizing himself in some ways, especially now the question is that takes place at close range. in the east, specifically , this is the future of gas, and here, well, erdoğan has a certain voice in which he is also trying to use, so here in this case the west simply could not wave him off, saying, well, who is that erdoğan, as much as one and the same thing is possible exactly, that is , we had to establish contact somewhere, but in response

erdogan will also have to take certain steps, and by the way, about the future of gas, we can now say that the war with... is at a dead end, because on the one hand there are armistice talks, and on the other hand the old sides, as is often the case, are completely overstated, i would say the demand for each other, and israel is not going to end the war without releasing the hostages, and hamas says that if israel will conduct an offensive in the rafah area, this is already the south of the gas sector, so to speak, extreme, then south or north, well, it is from the west. yes, the west, you see, i have always had geographical ones, yes, well, let’s assume so, well, in any case, this is the border of the gas sector and egypt, let’s be precise, then in this situation there will be no conversation about... how to get out of the situation? to get out of the situation is very difficult, because here the question is who if not hamas, the palestinian authority

is in this state, the one that runs the west bank, we have extremely limited powers about its rating, including in the gaza sector itself, well it is difficult to talk about something there, that is, the palestinian, the palestinians need to form some. forces, will there be opportunities to form new forces that are capable of dialogue, that are capable of development, that are capable of replacing hamas, well, it is possible, it looks quite unrealistic, at the moment there is talk of the fact that since israel has already started selling some foreign bonds, moreover, in israel it is now about the recruitment of new reservists, that is, the war is dragging on, from us, the war is becoming more and more... alone, somewhere netanyahu it is necessary to come out as a winner, or at least a signatory of the peace on some such conditions , so that the hostages are really returned, and b) to exclude a new war, i can assume that

hamas will go to the hostages’ release, in principle, this has already happened more than once, but to completely surrender in terms of the threat to israel, well then hamas will turn into zero, which even its sponsors will not agree to, and now the position of egypt is interesting there, egypt has already... dragged the army, it is already trying to enter into such a stronger dialogue there with israel, where that tank division will not play a big role and it is not clear who it will be directed against, i mean on the border with the gaza sector, but somewhere here such an increase in tension may play such a pressure on peace that they say to conclude a new truce, yes, there is a truce, but is it will be lasting, what will it change for the fate of the palestinians themselves? probably some of them will somehow be able to get through and leave the gas, some will continue to live there around refah and wait for what the solution will be, but netanyahu, from whom

a truce was already expected, still, judging by everything, he is trying there at least to carry out some kind of ground operation, it is really worth reminding that this is actually the last such enclave, the last stronghold not only of hamas, but of any palestinian resistance in general... in this region, so the question here is what it is open to say what will happen to the gas sector in a year, i would not undertake any tests, no one is currently undertaking them, well, as far as i understand, it is very important for israel that this war ends precisely with the elimination of hamas in region, but from the very beginning they said that these calls are quite unrealistic from the point of view of israel's capabilities, well, this is a return to the situation that existed until 2005-2006, when even jewish settlers were there, then they were removed from there, there were their own protests, there was an attempt at appeasement, then this one

the appeasement attempt did not lead to anything , so it is critically important for israel in this case, but israel is also trying to get as much help as possible and settle its internal issues, because netanyahu is a politician, well, with a rating, but what about this rating now and what... growing criticism, what opposition, this is generally, well, an extremely difficult internal period in the history of israel, and that is why the question here is whether netanyahu will still risk putting everything on the line, doing everything, or either we them, or they us, well, that's about it talks have been going on for a long time in this war, but in this case, the american position and the position of israel's neighbors, so that after all, it is planned by some kind of compromise. but the limits of this compromise, after all, as we can see, they are sketchy, well, in this case, the brick of the israel defense forces, and here it will be difficult

to argue specifically with such a strong argument, well, i understand correctly that here we are at the beginning of the israeli war , because now 128 days have already passed, they were talking about the fact that ukraine needs help, but israel does not need it so much, it is faster symbolic, israel can cope on its own without american help, but... now the money that should be allocated by the american congress is not allocated, but by the way, today the senate will begin to consider again this bill on aid to ukraine and israel, let me remind you that there israel and ukraine are close, what is the money that the israelis really need for further military actions? they are absolutely necessary, well, in our country in general, i very often heard there, you know, about recipes from israel, how to defeat putin, which were always answered by competent people. the question when israel directly fought with putin, that is, here we have a certain kind of mythologizing, and different assessments

of military capabilities, but... here it is worth, we should not forget that the civilian population is being gassed, no matter how it is, no matter how the arab side likes it, but still it is used as a human shield for hamas, well, that is a fact, and it is difficult to deal with it, it is difficult to somehow oppose it, even the hundreds, 300, 500 thousand who come out with the support of palestine, let's stop the genocide of ghazi and so on, but the fact remains a fact, and this fact is so unfortunate that it twists a lot of things why... the hands of israel, restrains in many ways, well, plus hamas prepared very well, it took into account the experience of many wars, while, it seems, israeli approaches, they remained somewhere, well, maybe in the 2000s, 2010s x, but no longer in the 2020s, now we see how the technology of drones, suicide bombers, even the syrian regime is developing for its own, it attacks its opponents with them, not to mention the houthis and

others, but we see that. .. hamas has fewer rockets left, that is, such mass attacks on israel, and those that they could launch, they have already issue, another question is that they still have opportunities for such a partisan terrorist war, and which can be not only on the territory of israel, far beyond its borders, and there are also certain fears about this, so here in this case, well, wait, that only the army and special services will simply block it all, absolutely not, especially with a powerful one. the power that always came from the persian gulf countries, that is, hamas just rose up, it became an even bigger tool, if there was ever a palestinian resistance movement there, well, it was used there by the soviet union, so now it is used by russia, it is used by iran, it is used by super players, and therefore it is good to say that israel opposes only hamas, absolutely not, but israel opposes the entire conglomerate and, in a certain sense, even russia, wants a hybrid, so here it is

... well, the situation is such that i won't say that some kind of parity has been achieved there, but israel will even need, maybe not so much military, but political support in many respects, because the forces that are now marching in the west, we see them the situation as far as powerful, not that it is a pro-palestinian lobby, i would rather call it anti-israel than pro-palestinian, because in reality no one there feels as much as they pretend to be for the palestinians, but... it exists and it can influence further strategic decisions, then tactically israel holds on, but what will happen again in a year, in five, in 10 years, will israel be important, for example, to such players there in latin america, the global south, in general, china, the same , which is devoid of that sentiment, which is, for example, in germany, in everyone else, but he is no longer here, and therefore in this case israel understands that there is an extremely powerful threat for the future.

a threat that needs to be addressed already, and how do you think american-israeli relations will develop in this area, because literally during our broadcast, the president of the united states, joe biden , and the prime minister of israel, benjamin netanyahu , had a 45-minute conversation on on the phone, precisely about the war against hamas, and what was most important in this conversation was precisely the offensive in rafah, and biden emphasized that he wants to see hamas defeated and the long-term...security of israel, but at the same time, said that the military operation in rafah cannot continue without a plan to ensure the security of the more than millions of people who are in that place, and that is not easy, i would say conversation, and difficult demands on the israeli prime minister, right? well , these are requirements that contradict each other, and the americans understand it very well, that is , they emphasize it, but in fact

they act in a completely different way. in fact , americans don't really need all that right now, that's why that this will strengthen anti-americanism, strengthen the already problematic politics of biden and will once again rest on the election, here trump is sitting conditional, not conditional, even real, sitting and watching, if there is no help for israel, well, look, america abandoned such an ally, if there is a situation with greater victims, and it will be obvious, then again who is to blame. biden, because biden supported this genocide and apartheid in gas, so many will say, and here we see that for this year, i think there will be no significant changes, somewhere there will be israeli promotion, somewhere they will somehow try to limit something, press something, but what will happen after the elections in the united states, who will win them, this will raise questions, because before that trump was considered, for example, extremely ...