media, and we do some communication there, but everything else is not up to us, we have our own media, but the gsha says that it is not ours, sukhaputka at the time, who is responsible for tcc and sp, says that it is we do not have the opportunity, yes, we have children to act within the limits and the method defined by the law, the cabinet of ministers says, blame us, if we did not have such a task, and as a result zero, well, just zero, well , my opinion is that there ... it seems that we once had a ministry of information policy, now it is a part, a ministry of culture of information policy, so there first of all, even the minister, if i'm not mistaken, is not there, there are only acting responsibilities, secondly, they, well , they simply do not think about information policy, today there was a message from them that a meeting was held at which a new font was studied , which has internal documentation to be printed, i am a person who likes symbolism. this is of course the right thing, but,

well, the ministry of culture and information policy does not seem to be engaged in information policy, and maybe this decision will be the beginning of unpopular decisions with from the side of the government, we have always said that it is very difficult for the president to decide on unpopular decisions, he is dependent on sociology, when he sees that the majority of people do not support a decision, it is very difficult for him to follow them, but there is a decision on the resignation of his worthy about 70% of volodymyr zelenskyi's compatriots did not support him, he went for it because... he believed that it was right, it cannot be like this with many other unpopular decisions, of course, the president's rating will decrease, his political capital be destroyed, but he will make the decisions that the state needs, it can be, anything can be in ukraine, we really have everything that does not violate the laws of physics in ukraine can be, but do i believe in it, no, i don't believe it, for what reasons, because, well, you , you are absolutely, well, 100% right . he looked, well, the president

looked into sociology, or rather, his entourage looked into sociology, and made an unpopular decision, but it made it precisely because there were even more unpleasant things, namely the potential presidential rating of the hard-working man, who once again you rightly emphasized that he never once spoke about politics, never even thought that he would be involved in politics or see himself in politics in the future . in principle , how do you think the situation around the law on mobilization will continue, or how important is the law in general, maybe the mobilization process is important, and not the law, because we always say the law, as if we do not have legislation on civilian mobilization, it is so, and we, well, we are returning to the question of information policy, yes, because we are talking about the law, and we are talking about individual ideas of people's deputies, which... and

are not even included in this law, that's right because society doesn't know anything, it doesn't know what to talk about, so we have legislation on mobilization, so it's not ideal, but in our legislation as of now, well , in fact, there is neither a whip nor a gingerbread man, but a new draft law , if it is accepted in that vidya in which it was discussed, well, a little, well, not a little, well, it is quite serious to solve this story, but not 100%, that is, we will still have a whip and a gingerbread, but the whip will , it seems, be made of something similar to a gingerbread, the gingerbread will smell suspiciously like a whip , because on the one hand we have to prescribe privileges and guarantees for those who will go to war in all cases. when they

are healthy, when they are wounded, what will happen to their families, if they don't die, how long they serve and everything else, it should have been a gingerbread, on the other side should have been a whip, this is a tough story for those who evade the army after receiving a summons, either there, well, or if he has to come to the iskumat there, yes, as a result of this story of whips, it is constantly softened, because politically, politically , the parliament does not want to make difficult decisions , in this matter, the parliament, and... the issue with pryanyk is still not resolved, because there is neither a time limit for how long a person will serve, nor is there an understanding of what will happen when he is , well, a veteran, yes, the ministry of veterans is good that he was fired minister, but this is only the beginning of the journey, there after, well, after the minister, which yulia leputin, who was recently fired , there are remnants of the collision, that is, there, and why, by the way, how did this happen, ah, because no one understands the reasons for this resignation, can you explain it? easily, the reason for this

resignation is the global dissatisfaction of the veteran community, which was publicly expressed by the public council under the ministry of veterans, who tried to release the mothers of the dead who cannot bury their children, because they were promised from month to month that there would be national war memorial cemetery, and his no, no, all deadlines have expired, and many mothers long for their children at home, they cannot bury him, and on the other hand , this is the dissatisfaction of other members of the cabinet of ministers, because they are tasked with the tasks that the ministry of veterans was supposed to perform, i.e. in addition to his own work , he is also falling from above, and this dissatisfaction, which began to come out publicly, again on social networks, began to hit the rating, and it became clear that something must be changed, because there will be a disaster, that's veterans - that's potentially, a huge protest electorate

, huge, and a passionate yes moment, well, of course, because these are people who were ready to give their lives, er... many did, and of course, what if they think that society and the state do not reciprocate them , then this will be the core of the protest electorate in the future. if you talk about society as such, here is the protest electorate, about the lines of division, you will be afraid of the division in society, between those who fought and those who did not fight, between those who were relatives military personnel, and those who were not affected by the war, between those who stayed at home during the war and those who moved to other regions, between those who remained in ukraine and moved abroad, between those who are abroad helped ukraine and those who attacked it and then turned back, between those who decided to return and those who decided not to return after the war, between those who decided to stay after the war, between those who

left, that's how many found this one and the answer will be very short if we win if we win it won't be don't matter, we will be euphoric with victory. er we'll rebuild together win it settles everything if we lose we'll eat each other and not just on the list you say we'll eat each other for every possible reason because uh this is now , well, this is for conventionally for civil society, yes, these are all war veterans there, they are plus or minus the same, yes, that is , the same pixel type spot, yes, and we remember perfectly. history, for example, and the 16th, 17th, 18th years, when veterans began unite in the organization, they started biting each other that you didn't fight like that, and you fought, but not there, your hot point was not hot enough, it was only lukewarm, and well, this will be very unpleasant,

you can work with that too , we need to work with this, but society is already psychologically traumatized, so we do not choose between ... if ukraine does not get a 100% victory, that is, what society will perceive as 100% victory, well , what should society perceive as 100% victory, this is also a good question, in this way by the way, society, judging by the surveys i have seen, considers the exit to the borders of 1991 as a 100% victory, this is a technically feasible victory in the foreseeable future, once again in ukraine everything is implemented, everything that does not violate the laws of physics , is it going to happen next, well, in the near future... with the, well, with what we have now, no, it's definitely not going to happen in the near future, but we just have my logic is absolutely simple, and people really don't want to this is to think in reality, in our country, if we go to the borders of 91 and win

russia, russia will be humiliated, then this means that russia will accumulate forces, will go to attack us again, because they will have a revanchist attitude, if we do not go to the... borders of 1991, fix ourselves somewhere along some line, then this means that the war will just continue after that because we don't recognize, we don't recognize that some lands belong to russia, no, we will pause the war and try to win it back, and russia, or russia may attack first, because well and ukraine will have control over a part of the territory that russia will consider its own, c in any case, whether in that case or in another , well, where is the way out absolutely, it is necessary to offer a way out or tell people that there is no way out and what and where and where here is the way out here here the point is not whether there is a way out here or not a fact , that is, it can be perceived, it can not be perceived, you cannot find a way out of the facts, you can find a way out of the mousetrap, our mousetrap is our history, the history of europe,

well, at least in this case of eastern europe, so the only way out - this is this is the collapse of russia, if it is now fantastic. well, this is the way out for, let's say, which we cannot create by our own efforts, we can help him, we cannot create him, we cannot, well, it is not within our powers, yes, that is, we can throw this part off the table, and there.. . or not to drop it, this is our decision, we , we can reach for this cup, and we can only help the collapse of russia and try to do everything to speed it up, but this is about pushing a huge iceberg into some north sea, and let's hope that it is sooner or later, our efforts will be enough for it to crack, well , in any case, we are talking about some foreseeable future there, we have to tell people: there you have 25 years to wait for the collapse of russia or there 10 years departure of putin and hope that

the new putin will be better than the previous one? no, i'm talking about the fact that we have a new reality. the new reality is that there are many countries, and you can count them much better than i can, that have been at war for years, decades. we will be one of them, judging for everything well, we have been at war for 10 years, it will soon be, well, we have been living in war for 10 years, well, from these 10 years. there was a low-intensity war for eight years, what kind of war are we talking about, but now there are two years of a high -intensity war, how long can a high-intensity war continue purely technically in order for there to be enough human material in ukraine for him and her, well, purely mathematically, purely mathematically, five more years without much effort, both on the part of ukraine and on the part of russia, russia has much more human resources, i am talking now only about...

people at the front may continue for another 5 years, maybe five, maybe 10, well, of high intensity, you understand, not the conflict that lasted for eight years, but the conflict that has been going on for two years, these are different conflicts, i understand absolutely exactly , how different these conflicts are, because i perfectly remember how when we came to the front with a volunteer, people from... actually, well , the military told us with such heightened emotionality that listen, you have to be careful here, here literally, well on there on this section of the front, on this section of the front literally a week ago we had the 200th, so we need to be more careful, yes, that is, now, well, yes, and i’m just talking about the fact that ukraine can fight for a long time, really long, well, really long, but... but here all resources come to the fore, including psychological ones, i would really like

to touch on the story with the appointed commander of the tro, because i served in the tro, and here it is also such a story, it is about communication, and about logic, and just about emotionality, yes, that is, there were more than 100 in ukraine in 2019 generals, i don't know how many there are now, but i don't think so, to be honest. that the order changed a lot, and there were many completely different people in tro, there were many former maidanists, there were people and people who served with me who even were, well absolutely, not that they weren't still children at the time when the maidan took place, but there is a story with the appointment of a person who, one way or another, was on the maidan from the other side in... well, february 2024, yes, that is , it is the 10th anniversary plus or minus of the heaviest battles on

the maidan, it looks like this , which is simple, well simply no one thought about how society would react to this, simply no one asked themselves this question, maybe no one took this fact into account, it’s because they specifically read and did it, maybe it’s just not that 100% nobody specifically calculated it, it’s that a mistake, it's a mistake. and this error shows that this question seems not to have even crossed my mind, but it just didn’t come from the tro, well , in general, the tro is such an unloved child in the armed forces, and a lot has happened to her, but i know for sure that well for many people, this story demotivated them, i already talked with the boys today and... there is demotivation and this is important, damn it, because it is about the will of both the military and

civilians to victory, this is another small drop, another small feather, yes, but from them kilograms are formed, from kilograms to tons, yes, which are psychologically oppressive, if it was possible, well, if he is not the only general left, yes, if he is not a super genius of military conduct. actions, if there were other options, well, but this person serves in the armed forces all the time, all the time, without issues, i'm not talking about, i'm not talking about the military unit, a very large number of people who... are or were commanders, generals, yes, during the maidan, or were physically not on the maidan side, or simply from their political considerations did not support the maidan and were against it, i am talking about the fact that the society this wound of the maidan, it is not no, it has not closed, there is no such

feeling that we have closed this history, and now it is no longer there, it is already a scar . because it continues, the maidan has grown into the occupation of crimea, the maidan turned into a war in donbas, into ato, then into the oos, and now in full scale, and this pain is there, there is no such thing as there, former veterans of various wars there, there they can be there in 10 years meet there after her and pat each other on the shoulders and say, but you remember how we saw you there, and you remember how we saw you there, yes, and that, it's a closed story. this is an upturned page, in our country the page of the maidan is not upturned to everyone, because it would seem that these wars had somehow to show everyone and those who were on one side of the barricade on the other, so that the danger is common, there is no short answer to this, it is a complete complex, this is also the fact that we all together, as a whole society, could not

leave the maidan and enter some new, calm political reality, and somewhere calmly chew. this whole story, yes, just to order the guilty there somehow, i don’t know, anything, yes, this did not happen, secondly, what is wrong with her society and the former maidan residents, if you interview them, i am sure that they will say that justice did not happen, that these people who supported the anti-maidan, which organized the anti-maidan, yes, there is a bigger one part has either escaped or simply remains. in ukraine, nothing is happening with her, well , nothing happened with her, and changes in the country , well, gennady karenitsa was simply re-elected as the mayor of kharkiv, even in a half-dead state, yes, yes, and what did he drink, he seems to be the last time his were chosen, he already seems to be already, i don't remember how we chose him at the moment, he was as if alive, and i wouldn't be sure, to be honest, ukraine, well, well, the lands, the land of wonder , and all this

and the absence of any... radical changes, well that is, society expects some radical changes after the revolution, yes, it is not a fact that it really wants them, by the way, it expects them, but there is no clear understanding of what exactly they want to see them, and all this leads to the fact that we do not they put an end to the revolution, but they didn't put an end to it, with the orange revolution it was much easier, in reality, well , society wanted that, as i supported the orange revolution, it wanted that there would be fair elections, that there would be. the elections took place and people forgot about it, realistically they forgot and this pain continues, it really continues to this day, well, it is also possible to a certain extent the line of division, but it seemed to me that it somehow healed just during the war, that people who did not understand what the maidan was, why the maidanites so they want an independent ukraine there, they understood the danger from russia, no,

there is no such thing, and if you were right, then we would not have seen such a reaction to the appointment of the general. commander of tyro today, well , it would simply be a line in his biography, well , you understand that how it changed in people's attitude towards russia, when senator john mccain came to the maidan and spoke on the maidan, then we at the maidan council decided, literally during this speech almost, that i should speak on the stage of the maidan and appeal to russians who adhere to the democratic views, and words... there is support that we want such a democratic process in russia, we believed that we do not have the speech of the united states senator, our supporter , to oppose ourselves to the democratic society in russia, that we do not oppose, we are on the contrary we want to update this whole space together, now the mood of people is completely different, people absolutely do not want to update something there in russia, and also to show it specifically,

no one even has such thoughts at all, no, well, i do not completely agree, there are a lot of people want to upgrade for example, update there , i don't know, the design of the streets of belgrade, yes , relatively speaking, so that there are a little less houses, ah, and a little more ruins, well, that 's true, but we, after all, i don't agree that people draw such a parallel plan, for very many people, at least with whom i spoke, for them the maidan is separate, the war is separate, and well, you can conduct social research, i have not seen such a thing, but well, but i simply do not see that people make a clear logical chain between it. it may be strange for me, it may not be strange for me, but i, i heard it and saw communication with my own eyes, really with my own eyes, well, that is , you think that this is also part of communication

, yuriy, of course, absolutely, yes, now everything , now everything is communication, diplomacy is communication, mobilization is communication, new appointments are communication, and its the level, well, i would call it tragic, the ambassadors of the group of seven countries communicate, they meet with ukrainian journalists. and they ask them what do you have with freedom of speech, they meet with the head of the security service of ukraine and ask him, what do you have with freedom of speech, and by and large this should be done by the ukrainian authorities, not the leaders of the world's largest democracies there are representatives in our country, well yes and actually in my opinion now and well now society is depressed, you can call it other terms, but in my opinion ukrainian s... although the winter of 23-24 is better than the winter of 22, 23, it is true, but we are not talking about reason, but about the emotional state, we are talking about the emotional state, the emotional state

is very low, and i think that a lot of people are waiting for something that, again, affects their emotions and may not even be very rational, yes, that is, for example, some story in which the government comes out and says: listen, the war for... drags on, there will be a war for a long time, the war will be very difficult, this is a fact, yes, we, we see all this, during this time we will to carry out changes inside the country, real changes, yes, that is, no, who is now preventing judicial reform, well, no one is preventing it, yes, that is, who is currently preventing the reform of the prosecutor's office there, yes, there is some kind of purge, but no one is preventing , who interferes with rewriting the entire story regarding the pressure on business from scratch, do not hand over. in manual mode, as it happened there after the arrest of maze, or in some other way, not in manual mode, put it on the handbrake, no, make it so that the business is comfortable to work and pay

taxes in ukraine, and very, very many of these , well, many of these reforms that could be done right now, and i'm sure that a large part of society, it would be involved in this story when we say: okay, we will be at the same time to fight the external enemy and at the same time try... to find a resource within ourselves so that we also demand less from our partners, yes, do something, change something, so that everyone can see that we are fighting for this, for this, yes, for a chance for change, for the light at the end of the tunnel, and also, by the way, to the previous one, to the previous thesis, about whether the wounds have healed after the maidan, remember the recent story with the berkuts in dnipro, well, it is very revealing, well, these wounds hurt, and everyone hurts. that people even still hold different views on how things should develop, absolutely, and what's more, well , in my unit, for example, there were very different people, really very different, and we simply

, well, by tacit agreement did not raise it , but i am sure that none of them, well, did not pay attention, well, to this issue specifically, yes, that is, they would not refuse to fight next to someone else, yes, because we are all fighting against the same enemy. and that's right, but when uh, this wound is already like that, it hasn't healed, but it's a little bit stretched, but when they poke such red-hot needles into it, then again there is pain, and again it all rises, here again , and and this will last a very long time, and this will be helped, well, in my opinion, only some global idea that will unite everyone again, an internal idea, not only an external one, everything is clear from the external one, can be helped, we need to defeat them. well in in any case, we can say, summing up our conversation with you, that we all the time there encounter a problem precisely in the communication of the state and society at various

levels, and it must be said that it is observed, as in the foreign office, that there are many of us, that we are losing because we cannot build proper communication with our allies, it is already visible, because again , according to all these stories with the ambassadors that i reminded you about, it is not proper communication when it happens like this, and of course... this is happening in the internal office, this is what we have been talking about for the entire hour about the story with the consequences of the resignation of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces and the entire military leadership, which was not properly communicated and increased this depression of many people, this is also a vivid example. thanks to yuriy, yuriy gudymenko, a war veteran, head of the association of the ukrainian dreaming association, was on the air. thank you for your participation, thank you, dear viewers, peace wins, good luck. nothing has happened yet,

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it's 2 p.m. in ukraine and we have a news release on the espresso tv channel in the studio of iryna koval. i welcome all the viewers and now to the most important events. polish farmers block the border again. at the zosen ostylukh checkpoint, reprimands renewed the protest. they are outraged by the conditions of ukrainian imports and demand decent conditions for polish farmers. our team is at the scene correspondent natalya stare pravo. natalya, i congratulate you, i know that you have been on the other side of the border, and you can tell me what is happening at the checkpoint and what the polish protesters are demanding. greetings iryna, greetings to our viewers, really at

the checkpoint from... the polish side zosyn o.