conditions, on the results of these geopolitical negotiations regarding ukraine, and this will have a decisive impact on the future of zelensky and zalozhny, and of course, the future of all of ukraine. thank you, oleksiy, if you want, literally two minutes for a reaction to close, with regard to democracy, not when, but if it returns, this is my remark, it is not necessary, it is not guaranteed that everything will even return to us. after the victory, well , secondly, regarding the ratings, i do not agree with the fact that the rating was the only reason, the reason is disloyalty, and that's me it seems that the current government is more concerned than the rating, which, as sergey rightly said, first of all, it is very difficult to measure during the war, and secondly, very, very quickly you can simply disappear, but loyalty is there or not, thank you, oleksiy, our second topic, friends, this is not a story that today... happened to serhiy

pashynskyi, a former people's deputy of ukraine, today he and his business partners were accused of causing losses to the state of almost 1 billion hryvnias, and this story of 2014 year, i.e. ten years ago let's listen to this story told by the sbu. the suspicion was declared under the 191st articles. under 255 of the criminal code of ukraine. the ex-people's deputy publicly denied being friends with his business partner, who was the owner of a company that was involved in a criminal scheme. but, as the collected evidence shows, the participants were actively communicating. well, this, this is the most important conclusion, that the persons involved were actively communicating, probably in the messenger. what pashinsky wrote on his facebook page, that this morning the sbu and... nabu came to

search him in the case of nationalization oil products oligarch serhiy kurchenko, since 2000, since march 22, i have been the head of the national association of defense industry enterprises of ukraine, there is no need to search or search me, during this time i have never left ukraine, the enterprises, members of the association produce drones, artillery, armored vehicles, ammunition , reb and radar stations. every day we experience loss. russian bombings, das audits, as the head of the association, the coordinator of many defense programs, i only have a request to the investigators, do not distract me with kurchenko, whatever please, earlier the former naftogaz official oleksandr katsuba, who was suspected of abusing his official position, stated that under the slogans of the nationalization of oil products of serhiy kurchenko , the oil products of naftogaz actually disappeared, well, 10 years in this case. frankly speaking, when something is taken

out of such an old, old suitcase, some cases shake them and start stirring again, the question arises, why is this done, especially during the war, when pashinsky was there in the first days of the war, despite everything, he did a lot , handing over the weapon that was contracted for foreigners so that in that... tanya chornovol used stugna during the defense of kyiv, and here, well, two years have passed, already 10 years in this case, this case was dragged out again. what do you think, gentlemen, about this, sergey? well, it seems to me that this matter is more political, because if something really was already so terrible there, then everything would have been taken out, probably earlier, for this it would not have been necessary to wait 10 years. i generally do not like it when ukrainian law enforcement structures have such a methodology. spoiler when

they go to the press conference, tell all the cases in detail, well, you know that, well, these things must be clarified in court, well, if you have a case, and this is by the way, well, i want to say about all the law enforcement agencies in of ukraine, if you have a case, take all these materials, take the case to court as soon as possible and let's find out in free competition with the defense who is right and who is guilty, and there you can make all these materials public, if it is made public before, for example, a conference, but at least lawyers can take all these materials in press conferences, go to the european court and prove that there are terrible procedural violations, these are generally legal, accordingly, there is no sense in conducting them, because they were done with procedural violations, so it is difficult for me to say about details of the case, i generally believe that such cases should be discussed by judges, the only thing i want to say is that i know that mr. pashynskyi did a lot for the defense. of ukraine and

does. and, well, someday, probably after the war, we will learn a lot, including about missile weapons, which were saved by various politicians before the war itself, at the beginning of the war, but they can... definitely say that now is definitely not the time to do various things, but if a person helps the defense of the country, and we can see it by what he does, then we need to give him the opportunity to work, because this is now the most important priority for us. mykola knyazhytsky wrote on his facebook page that the search of pashynskyi, who is the head of the association of defense enterprises, shook many contributors, pashynskyy is known for his support development of neptunes, neptunes. bohdan and sent to the first stugen front. i think it was no coincidence that this was done on the day when the court decided to take mr. liev into custody. liev is a former head of the department of defense. liev is involved in the case of the lviv arsenal, a company that stole billions from the budget under fictitious contracts for

artillery ammunition. i do not claim that liev is guilty - writes knyazhytskyi. the court must prove this. but the fact that such a theft was impossible was without the instruction of higher authorities. even the polygraph, which voluntarily left, showed the authorities to pass liv. searches of pashinsky in connection with the nationalization of oil products by kurchenko and rosneft ten years ago are both revenge and an attempt to divert attention from the real thefts of the defense budget by the authorities. this is the opinion of mykola knyazhytskyi. oleksiy, how do you perceive such stories, when law enforcement officers 10 years later, after 10 years... put forward some kind of claims, either to mazeppi, to igor mazeppi, who was engaged in the construction of a cottage town near kyiv, and these land cases are somehow very old, very old, that is, this government has been in power for 5 years

the president to the presidential chair and suddenly 5 years later, after coming to power, they take up this case again. pashinsky for what? well, why is it difficult to say, because, well, pashinsky is certainly a famous person, but not so much as to block all facaps, let’s say, it is difficult to say, absolutely, that is, from a media point of view, because again, we understand, i read a lot posts of famous people who right now... are defending the homeland at the front, yes, the same chornovil, tatyana, who, well, reject any accusations pashynskyi, that is, from this point of view , it does not work out, but it is clear that the cases are constantly lying around, that is

, they are kept so that some certain moment will come, in order to extract them, yes, that is why these cases are on many people, and depending on the situation. from some other circumstances , they are extracted, although i am sure that during the war, all the same, cases that do not concern the army do not concern all the time, specifically yes, that some crime was committed during the past two years there, for example, from the war, well after all, they have to wait until victory or until the end of the war and then deal with them, if it really is, well, there is some ... meaning, they are stealing now, a lot is being stolen, schemes, a huge number, they don’t have time to read investigations every day, some, and you have to deal with it , because it seems to me more important, and resources , limitations of law enforcement agencies, after all

, they should be spent on what is beneficial right now, especially, again, after reading some, some specialists, i am not a lawyer, they say, that, in principle, this matter... well , if desired, let's say, it will fall apart in judge well, this is a strange story, to be honest, because pashinsky heads the association of defense enterprises, and again, well , we have witnessed many stories when people who produce weapons were subject to some, some audits, some additional checks, and frankly saying , an absolutely logical question arises, if you have complaints about... a case from ten years ago, why don't you have such complaints about the things that are happening now, because for some reason the journalists in this situation were the people who started talking about inflated prices on products during the ministry, at the time when

the ministry of defense was headed by oleksiy reznikov, mr. serhiy, do you think there is more politics in this story? an attempt, let's say, to redistribute the influence there on the defense enterprises that are part of this association or. influence them, or, let's say, influence the contracts that these enterprises receive from the ministry of defense? well, in order to think something about this, you need to have access to the materials, which, unfortunately, we do not have, and this only emphasizes the fact that the time has long come for us ancients to give up of this ideology of a single marathon, when we cannot talk about everything, but we can talk to someone. it is necessary to give up many other things and restrictions in politics, and the only thing where

censorship can remain and is really needed is censorship that is not political, but that affects the military, well, for example, there are the movements of troops connected there with the work of air defense, there of course, censorship is necessary, but with regard to other issues, it is not necessary, and then we would have the opportunity to discuss it more openly with you and have more material for any... matters related to the ministry of defense, i want to emphasize that this lack of information, it still creates rumors and mistrust, and this is bad, because in times of war, to have mistrust of something in the ministry of defense, well, this is a very bad story, but there will be such mistrust if we will not finally introduce the free circulation of information, of course, which touch not on military, but on political issues, so that... we can draw some conclusions that there, whether it is a political struggle, internal,

under-the-carpet, whether it is redistribution of the market, is it really a criminal case, because how we we can see from those audit cases, including those of various international structures, which from time to time appear again, not in the ukrainian, but in the foreign mass media, that during these years the ministry of defense of ukraine had everything, was, and was courageous , and heroism, and... and criminal cases, and there was corruption, and it is obvious now to everyone, so i would like to have more freedom of speech, then we will know the truth in every case. thank you, gentlemen, we will return to our conversation in just a minute, do not switch. tingling, numbness, or crawling of ants in the limbs arise spontaneously and disturb you. a special complex of long-lasting active substances. neuralgia helps to normalize the functioning of the nervous system. dolgit antineuralgia promotes the return to usual

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to see a useful person in ukrainian politics 0800-211-381 no, 08002 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will summarize this voting. today we have serhiy taran and oleksiy holobutsky as our guests, and gentlemen, i would like to return with you to what the kremlin is currently articulating to the world, what, what, what they are saying in general, including through the american propagandists tucker carson, well and not only through him. what russian dictator vladimir putin said about the anti-russian hysteria that seems to exist in the world, he believes that the whole west is at war with russia, and russia is not really interested in poland or the baltic countries, he is sure that the war in ukraine will end quickly if the west will simply stop providing

weapons to ukraine, for this he does not need to hold negotiations with joseph biden, let's listen. and what to decide here? everything is very simple, i repeat, we have contacts through various agencies, i will tell you what we say about this and what we are telling the us leadership if you really want to stop the fighting you need to stop the arms supply it will be over within a few weeks that's it and then we can agree on some terms before you do that stop what's easier : what should i call him, what should i talk to him about, or beg him, about what? and the permanent representative of russia to the united nations, vasyl nebendzia, in an interview with the bbc journalist stephen sakura, once again accused the event of unleashing a war against russian federation. let's listen. we

are undoubtedly in a state of conflict with the west. we openly talk about it. the west is leading against russia. a proxy war and does it, unfortunately, at the cost of ukrainian lives, providing them with weapons, moreover, not only conventional, but also cluster bombs, all kinds of rocket launcher systems, shells with depleted uranium. the west is also involved in military planning in satellite surveillance of us, so the west is of course a co-learner of everything that is going on. oleksiy, it seems to you what inni bendzia and putin are saying is a request to the united states of america for negotiations in order to invite to some negotiations, which they have clearly outlined that they will only talk with biden, probably not with biden, but with trump, well, for the time being by biden

, and this means that now talking with biden and... with ukraine, yes, he said in an interview more than once that he is ready to talk to zelensky, but he is not allowed to talk to zelensky, so let him change laws, we will negotiate, well, he also says it is not interesting at all, it is up to us to understand that here is a little more complete, or at least, well, his picture of the world, which he somehow demonstrated to tucker kalson, it is more appropriate. well, the fact that he decides everything, and not benzya, these are echoes of all these intellectual efforts, therefore a signal to certain people, well, this is really such a complex scheme, a complex topic, because the easiest thing to say is that a person fell into a frenzy and something pours, and there is no need to listen at all, but thank god that the

scenario planned by the kremlin did not come out, because... first of all, it seems to me that this it was putin's own initiative to structure the interview in this way, and not the initiative of political technologists or specialists who , after all, understand that telling the kuklosklanites there to the white order in the united states about how bad it is to be a nazi in ukraine is, to put it mildly, not on the wrong topic, or to tell the same thing, but to the more moderate republicans about the excellent relations with china, russia, this is also somehow... not quite where it is needed, yes and and and words, i noted this about it and, well, not only me, of course, that when calson tucker took orban's interview. orbán looked like that, well, an ideologue, yes, an ideologue of christian , european, conservative culture, yes, which opposes left liberalism, and putin

, with his historical lectures, looked, well, really, like a person who does not understand, after all, who he is addressing, that is, what was, why, why was this appeal historical, yes, and that it is wrong. understood, it caused a reaction, yes, if the chinese are making fun of him, and frankly enough, or really a completely logical question, so that if you review the borders, then and vladivostok, and a large part of siberia, it would once belong to china, and then all these conditions can also be revised, and the former president of mongolia said so, well, i am not talking about europe there or about america, but the message about peace, about. .. spoke, not of peace , but of negotiations, yes, of course he did, well, he allegedly said that trump has all the possibilities, and he is doing it, to stop

financial aid to ukraine in the amount of 61 billion dollars, and trump, in principle, this part of the agreement, if it exists at all, although most likely it does not exist, it is, so to speak, such passes to each other so that everyone, well, helps each other, yes, putin , well, this is... my version already, yes, putin guarantees that he will really make some concessions, yes, well, so that it will not be peaceful negotiations, yes, trump becomes president and comes to he comes to moscow or helsinki or wherever , meets with putin and leaves, says that there is nothing to agree on with him, because he, well, this is not the best situation, so they are, he leaves, says, we talked with putin, how i promised, everything was agreed within 24 hours, there, i don't know what putin is ready to do. this is different question, yes, and here, here it can be caught in this interview, it is possible, in principle, so that putin does not want to communicate with biden, he does not

see the sense in this, he says it frankly, he has time, how he thinks he 'll wait until november, there's a change of power, and he'll wait for a more favorable deal for him than what trump could offer him today, but that's if... if he, trump fulfills his part of the deal, yes, that is, he will not give help, and trump will simply use ukraine in two or three months, including in the election campaign, talking about , look, yes, look, everything that biden does, everything that he does not take on, everything has failed completely, not only the migration issue, even the war in ukraine, and here, of course, trump can play precisely some serious failures of ukraine during war during this year, then he will tell, you see, what is being done and what and what and what really needs to be negotiated with putin, well, and further on there may arise in different ways, but

again, these are still conditional, there are a lot of conventions, a lot of data, anything is possible to change completely, and putin, maybe misunderstood, trump eventually understood, and putin misunderstood, well, again, i can't understand. why didn't he really use his least favorite horse, start talking about gender neutral toilets or something, huh? he talks about it very often, and for some reason here he is in front of a person who speaks openly about it, who is really with him, who supports him, which is really funny, that he supports these theses of putin, and something, but for some reason he was ashamed putin, for some reason he surrendered because it he speaks stupid russian for cattle , so it’s understandable, you can go there , an american came here, whom he still, well, at least a little, but respects, considers to be sharp, and here he looks like a moron, well, full,

yes, he doesn’t want , because i am 100% convinced that putin actually does not believe all that nonsense about the gdp and everything else, well, yes, he was just counting on the internal audience, sergey, how do you now perceive putin’s attempts to overturn, well, he always does it, well, always throws it over. responsibility for what is happening in ukraine, against ukrainians , to the west, and in principle, he says, we were not the first to start the war, but we will end it, well , he has approximately such a thesis, well, it is part of putin’s propaganda, there is nothing strange here, but if we talk about what is putin's current information strategy, it seems to me that it became obvious literally today, when this... journalist, the so-called carlson, said that putin is allegedly ready to compromise with the west regarding ukraine. like, he had a secret

conversation with him. language, he did not say this about conditions conversations, what exactly was discussed there, but at the same time carlson says that putin is definitely ready to compromise. and i would consider this a part of putin's delusion, or perhaps a pr of carlsan himself, if not for one but. the fact is that this thesis was very actively picked up by all the pro-kremlin telewashers. all the kremlin media picked up this thesis and began to spin it on all channels. this is in russia. there is no freedom of speech and where all mass media work for kremlin propaganda. this means that the thesis about putin's alleged willingness to negotiate a solution regarding ukraine is true the kremlin's official position, which putin would like the west to hear. of course, putin will not agree on anything good with the west , of course, he does not want any peace in ukraine, but he wants the west to believe

that he is ready for... such a compromise, to whom are all these words addressed and this is the whole interview, only to one person, trump, it's all for him, because now putin has, well , to be honest, the geopolitical situation, well , to put it mildly, not very well, because whatever we talk about mobilization potential of russia, that it put the economy on military rails is all true, but geopolitically, russia is losing a lot, because remember what it was before the war, the big war. in ukraine, russia claimed to be the third in the world or even the second in the world, that is, it was a respectable country with which, in principle, you could do business, which was perceived as one of the world leaders, and now it has turned into some kind of iran , on some regional power that is powerful, but prevents everyone from living, this is a completely different geopolitical status, so probably putin would like to go to some geopolitical agreements

to get out of this stage of the war in ukraine, well, more or less convenient for themselves, and i think that putin is betting that trump, against the background of his pre-election promises, will also be ready to some compromises, that is about this interview, that is about all these agreements , the fact that putin did it a little unsuccessfully, it is true, but this is the message he would like to convey, and therefore ukraine must be ready for what maybe, maybe, i stress, if trump returns to the white house, there will be an attempt conclude some major geopolitical agreement, and for this ukraine must be ready, it is necessary to clearly strengthen the diplomatic presence of ukraine in the united states, working with both political parties, strengthening contacts between ukrainian politicians and experts and american politicians and experts,

addressing american interests. mass information on american social networks so that we learn about the war in ukraine not from such dubious interviews, this is now a matter of national security, because putin is making a bet to the fact that americans will learn about the war in ukraine from such interviews, and not from ukrainians. thank you, mr. serhiy, serhiy taran, oleksiy holobutsky were guests of our program today, and during this broadcast we conducted. we asked you about this, whether you would like to see a good person in ukrainian politics, let's look at the poll results of the television poll: 92% - yes, 8% - no, these are the results of the poll on tv, and we are conducting a poll, it is also ending now on the youtube channel , results 86% yes, 14% - no, it's on youtube

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