which will come right away, no, it will not come, they are for it, because they will be afraid to come, they will call you and so on, so you carry out this order, and give an assessment, of course, criminal or not, you do not, well, a soldier cannot give an assessment, but when a soldier is told that you have to go and be wound up on tracks without, conventionally speaking, without anti-tank weapons, well , there was a chance to prove your innocence even before, today we are building new bunkers, and what did you think, who who, what do we talk about it a lot today? let the journalists do it investigation, how many servicemen of the armed forces of ukraine have been convicted by the verdicts of the courts in the cases of the sbi. i remember last year, the servant of the people, a deputy from the servant of the people party, i'm yatskiv, i think that's my last name, they did the tsk and, therefore, evaluated the work of the sbu. so, over a certain period of time, the employees of the sbi instituted 400 criminal proceedings, of which 1,000 were against officials, 3,000 against military personnel,

and we say, stand up, the country is huge, well, that's how we stand up, but that's all, you you understand, the army is the growth of society, and naev is the same, well, what was ordered to resign, a serviceman can only if he is 200, if he is 300, it is difficult and he is dismissed, if he has three children, yes, he can write a report on dismissal, that's all, and so he is put in charge and... further, where, where will he be sent, and you will send a general not very far, well, a general needs a suitable position in accordance with his rank, so it is not that you can send a major there to command there a company or even a platoon, no problems , well, they won’t send a trench further, that’s all, but it doesn’t work like that with generals, what was the problem of our generals, conventionally, general burba, general turchynov, general kananenko, who else is there with us, general marchenko ?

do you understand why they are being held like this now , so to speak, not without giving them certain powers, well, imagine that, for example, there, general so-and-so was given command of a certain direction, and in this direction there was tremendous success, that is pr will be for him, but what about you, but how will zelensky survive such pr, he didn't survive zaluzhnyi's ratings , they themselves made him a politician, although zaluzhnyi never said that he was going into politics, they themselves launched him into the ratings, and when they saw that almost 90% of them liked him ... they got scared, i'm sorry, they messed up and started to fire the log because of the stump, and that's it, and those people, well, that's it, that's it, you understand that all things are like that, dismissal through the media, well, it's just a cap, well, what's wrong with you, well you have a phone, but call, say so and so, with the order of the commander-in-chief, i made a decision, well, if you appoint him this person, it's almost daring to say it to his face at least, well, it's okay, it's scary to say it to his face, well, say it at least on the phone, isn't that some kind of absurd?

this is called putting yourself, you know, in opposition, not together, we are not, zelenskyi went to sew ukraine together, the way a ukrainian soldier sewed ukraine together, no president and head will ever come together, in our cemeteries , in kharkiv, in lviv , the same yellow and blue flags, zelensky was going to stitch up the country, this stitching according to zelensky, and i emphasize this once again, this is during the war, this is worse script won't you think of putting yourself as a counterweight to the army, your own army? zelensky practiced it, but no one appreciated it at the time, remember, they were supposed to hold a parade on the maidan, they were supposed to hold a parade. zelenskyi said there will be no parade, he showed us bunnies there, cats and bunnies and elephants near mykhailo square. what did the veterans in the armed forces, soldiers, those atoshniks who were considered crazy, what did they say, if the supreme does not want to march with us, then we will go without the supreme and... we did not go and how many

about 75,000 military personnel , war veterans marched on the baptismal font without zelensky, without our president, well , he didn’t want to go with us, he was with us, you know, as they say, camille fo should not go with us on the baptismal font, well we got by without it, it was the first signal, but for some reason people didn't appreciate that it was a signal, it's the same, it 's the same thing, as they said in the cartoon, not for nothing, not just like that. and look now at this, at that kosmachi or something like that in the ivano-frankivsk region, today they are walking, flirting, well, you do understand that today this kind of difference is already embarrassed to go to protests against their own armed forces, because for them a representative of the tsk in the form of a soldier of the armed forces is an enemy, and the police go around and flirt with them, the only marathon told, they gave all the platforms everybody who just... likely

and unlikely attorneys and non-attorneys, lawyers and non-lawyers, have been given the opportunity to tell how to evade duty, and now we're reaping the benefits when people go out to rallies, people go out, beat other people up, what is right or wrong is the question now on the legal level, of course, which is wrong , they beat the children because they thought they were spies from the tsk, that is, they are not bothered by the missile launchers, they are worried that there would be no spies from the tsk, today the evaders have fucked up, i'm sorry, they already they are even capable of this, and hide further behind the skirts of their wives, abnormal, because you cannot call them normal, who can afford to beat people with bats, because they thought that they were spies of the armed forces of ukraine, you can imagine, in the state of ukraine, it was zelenskyi who was doing it together with his team and with his poor friend marathon, this is podoliak's information policy today, this is the appointment we have today,

the policy of yermak's office, this is what is being done in the ministry of internal affairs, this is tatarov's policy today, and we live in this country, but i emphasize once again, all our people, first of all, destruction of rosna, and then will... deal with ukrainian nits. mr. major, since the personnel rotation of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine took place, you obviously know much more about syrskyi than our tv viewers. what can you say about the new chief of the armed forces of ukraine, therefore that a lot of different things are being written, said, and all the more so, against the background of the resignation of a hard worker who had a high rating of public trust, of course, it is very difficult for syrsky. will it prove anything at all , or position itself there, or be liked by ukrainians, or cause this trust, it will still not be trust, because zelenskyi, the favorite of the people, still removed him from the post of the head of the armed forces of ukraine.

well, let's be honest, have we heard at least once from zaluzhny that syrsky is not coping with the tasks assigned to him. i haven't heard that, it's the first time. the second, syrsky i know from the 16th, maybe from the 17th year. and on the 17th, maybe 16, well, the 17th for sure , i met him then, i couldn’t say anything bad either then or today, this full-scale invasion, the first order i received, it was an order through my brothers over the phone, that the syrian gave the order to advance with the unit to the gostomil airport, you understand, yes, that is, he was in charge of the defense of kyiv, someone can say something, no, so i think that there is nothing to say here, as far as some people are concerned now. .. the defense of bakhmut is like this or not, do i fully agree that bahmut's defenses were built correctly? no, i don't agree, because when you throw assault units into the trenches , i mean on the defensive line, when you put the paratroopers into the trenches instead of

them doing their jobs, i do n't think it's good, but i don't i don't know if we had reserves of others that could be planted in the trenches, nevertheless we drained ours... tour, relatively speaking, near solidar, although on the other hand we are the lion's share of the russians, and especially wagner ceased to exist on in the bakhmut direction, but today we have avdiivka, we have avdiivka, i don’t know if it’s true or not, but the public is already writing that avdiivka was thrown at avdiivka, well, one of magura’s units, i know, which was trained for assault operations, they are working on koksokhim, but they also abandoned it, now they say the third assault unit, well , i won't tell you whether it's true or not, but if they abandoned it. assault force to storm the buildings, we have something to hold them afterwards, we have enough artillery that can cover these buildings, yes we have something to counter the aviation together with the russian cabs, but no, well, if so, well, then i have nothing against it, but more than

six months ago, i said that it is necessary to prepare new frontiers, ee to the road of a single logistics chain, which connects avdiivka with a lot of land, but in some areas. the russians have a few hundred meters, that is , the issue must be resolved radically, if you have nothing to hold, no artillery and fpv drones, because 40 billion were stolen last year, yes, well, they didn’t steal for 40 billion, but the same special forces how many were arrested there they stole millions there with our drones , so if you don’t have enough drones and artillery to cover these buildings and you don’t have enough air defense to shoot down the planes, so that they wouldn’t dismantle these buildings with their hands, then the question is for... the assault force, i don’t know , but he is the head of it, here is the question of assessing the possibilities and the analysis of the data he has, well, it is not my mind, because i cannot assess it, but i see the risks, and in this context i always said that if there is an opportunity

to receive a bridgehead, because there is enough artillery, it must be maintained, and if there is no, then we have to withdraw the troops to the prepared lines, and now the question is, we are doing well with the engineer, aren't we? there is room to take action, because pokrovsk will be next , and everyone understands that, and rusnia will not just go to pokrovsk, but will try to break the pokrovsk-konstantinivka route, everyone understands that, no, if everyone does that... we have it there probably already built bunkers, pillboxes , pillboxes, a concrete defense line, because in avdiivka the defense line was built in the 14th, 15th, 16th years, it lasted until today, until it was breached underground, and, that is, the russians dug a tunnel, the main intelligence agency , together with our intelligence officers, i'm sorry, screwed up this information, and the russians went to the rear of those defenders who held that concrete line of defense, which has been holding for 10 years, and... this does not resemble anything, i will remind you, maybe someone has forgotten, but i will remind you how

tens of thousands of russian servicemen were transferred from ugledar to bakhmut, and the main intelligence agency was engaged in filming a film about the surgical liberation of ostrovzmeny, because this information was also leaked, and i said how so tens of thousands were redeployed, but where is our intelligence, what was it doing , this is not a needle, as they say in the crowd with... you can't hide it, well, 10, 20, 30 thousand military personnel, but now, for example, there is information that 40 thousand plus 500 tanks are concentrated in the kupinsky direction, there is, tell me, please, who heard about the fact that the russians are transferring up to 40 thousand near bakhmut, no one has heard, they have actually seen how much the guys put in, yes just now near avdiivka, no one has heard about the tunnel, no one has heard, and no one has heard, what is the news, what is it built yesterday, this tunnel is old, has it been cleared? they pumped water out of it and entered the rear of our boys. thank you, thank

you, mr. major, for the conversation, it was ihor lapin, a major of the armed forces of ukraine, a special officer, a people's deputy of ukraine of the eighth convocation. friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, if you watch us live there. please like this video and follow our page, our social media pages. in addition, during our broadcast , we are conducting a survey, we are asking you today whether you would like to see zaluzhnyi in ukrainian politics, yes no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your opinion, write it in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv, please pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you want to see valery zaluzhnyi in ukrainian politics 0800 211 381, not 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will pick up the results of this vote. next, we

have a politician, diplomat, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine in the republic of belarus in 2010-11, former representative of ukraine in the tripartite contact group in minsk, roman bezsmertny. mr. roman, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, mr. sergey. mr. roman, we are witnesses. such reshuffles, personnel reshuffles in the ukrainian army, that is, simultaneous, let's say so, starting from the commander in chief, ending with the commanders of separate forces and separate directions, what do you think related to such, such a large personnel reshuffle, how motivated it is now, how appropriate it seems to you, after two years of a difficult war. do you mean the big heavy war and 10 years already in general

russian-ukrainian war? well, there are things that have already been said a lot, mr. serhiy, and there are very important points that have been omitted from what has been said about emotional, factual and so on, you can add more, but i would concentrate, i would suggest that we concentrate now on things. and what else, which has not been talked about yet, and these are very important things, in fact, this ten-year war is not only that, but where this experience will be applied, they did not have general epaulettes today, they are in the conditions of this war, some of them passed from major to captain, lieutenant colonel and so on, that is, this people whose experience... is unique, and i understand very well that the supreme commander,

like most of those who are in the political leadership of ukraine today, never had the opportunity to read textbooks, books, aa well-known strategists and so on, which described the behavior of personnel reserve and personnel in armed forces. thank god, now there is a discussion about mobilization in ukraine, and i hope that as a result of this discussion, at least ukraine, the parliament, the government. and the armed forces will adopt some model of mobilization, although compared to the classic formulas for training personnel in the armed forces, it does not smell like this, it is something new, which is born from the pen of those who try to manage these processes, but i

want to touch on this issue once again , actually a... what about this experience, with these plows, the experience of plowing, plowing with foreheads, with full of bruises and so on, how will this experience be used, because i emphasize once again the decrees on the appointment of these people to the command of divisions, directions, certain structures, even educational institutions, i have not yet... observed, and this indicates that actually, or when we translate this conversation from the point of view of a discussion, and if the situation were to improve, is it an improvement, because the question arises, actually, where will these people go? by the way, i will give an answer now

to the listeners, the audience and to us, mr. sergey, because i know a little about how people manage. with diplomats, well in particular, and a person who worked for 10 years as the ambassador of ukraine at the united nations organization, well, as one of the best options, he is currently taking a course at one of the universities of the united states of america. this is a better option. the best thing for ukraine is when people with such experience as zaluzhny, naev, and shaptala are found as rectors. heads of military institutions, who will invite them to teach, because to ask questions, and where such a person will go tomorrow with his experience, as you understand, sooner or later each of them will need it, and one more thing that i cannot not to pay attention, because there is a lot of talk around the name of mr. valery zaluzhnyi, the general

, a popular person, an active person , a well-deserved person, and so on, but there are several points that i cannot help but pay attention to, in fact, how was naev released, who also 10 years in the army, a combat general, a combat officer, well, he found out about his release from the mass media, well, they all deserved a certain thanks for their actions, their... work, it is clear that mr. general zaluzhnyi said that this just not his a hero's award, and it's everyone's award, but if you want to thank, well, what doesn't general shaptala deserve thanks, general naev doesn't deserve thanks, but

he does, but this is evidence that if only one thought, at all.. .other things were done, but the third will actually happen, because the truth of the situation will be seen much further, why i actually say this, because i know not only the reaction of ukrainian society, i know the reaction of the west and the united states of america and europe, and at least there, no it is necessary to praise those who came, but no one is going to praise them, it only pains me that their fate will be, exactly... like the fate of the industrious, naive, they whispered, well, et. etsera. ah, but one must understand that each of them already knows this today. so, the maximum they said at the event was, let 's look at the situation, we will work with those who come, with those who are appointed.

you know, mr. serhiy, the west with this position, it saves, including those who ... now took and waved a checker, a saber, because i cannot evaluate what happened in any other way, because i say once again , for me, as for a person who worked half my life in the state system, i understand what it is like to leave people with ten years of experience, combat experience without use, without them working every day, because to work for 10 years in the regime in which naev worked is hard work or shaptala, it's a hell of a job, and it 's full of bruises, a colossal experience, and when i... i'll put in a photo of the president with the newly appointed, then i want to tell everyone right away that what i'm saying now, they already know, they understand it , and they look

there ahead, from here it is obvious that one must think about how to deal with these cadres, and more such voroshilov raids with sabers on the cadres, as we have experienced now... we tried not to do, because this, this is not even stalinism, because you remember, there they appointed zhukov to replace malinovsky, malinovsky in the place of rokosovsky, rokosovsky in the place of someone else, but they were given the opportunity to work, now a dozen generals will be on the street, but after such a colossal experience as these people have. not to use this experience is shameful, stupid, well, i don't know what else to say in this situation, i'm sorry, so i ask that

everyone understand this thing, because it also applies to those who are currently appointed, and one more thing, at the event they will work with anyone, but one thing is to raise in 3 minutes pick up the phone and immediately go to work, and it is quite another to enter into this process, and when we had the opportunity, say, from the previous chairman of the committee of the chiefs of staff of the united states of america, remember, in the month of march, in the month of march, he announced that, mark milley, that he will resign in the fall, six months, for half a year there was preparation... and for brown to get up to speed, get to know each other, he was taken even before being assigned to ramshtai, now

new people have arrived, the situation, they know the situation, they know, they own it, they were at the front, they were in the same meetings, but these contacts will come with time, these contacts will come for a certain time. and this period, time is generally a priceless thing, in war it is something incredibly valuable, and from this it is obvious that when they say in the west that we will work, they will actually wait for what arises a certain gap that will require certain measures, certain actions on the part of all parties, notice how in parallel... general secretary stolpenberg stated that it is necessary to radically change the approaches of ramstein management. this is not said by chance, because there are two

factors: one is being created now across the ocean, thanks to donald trump, and the other is being created due to actions, well, from my point of view, let's call them wrong, because if it had to be implemented... then it should was to enter, as professionals do, in order for syrsky to work in this system for three months, external contacts, because you have to understand that there is another factor here, when you dispose of your own resources, it is good, because you understand them, you see them, you know them, and when you are in conditions where external resources do not depend on you , because they are... external, it creates certain conditions, a certain coordinate system in which you are, and you have to work in external communication, just as

you work with your subordinates, because you have to understand, and what will be schedule of supplies, weapons, ammunition, because that's exactly what we are seen in separate small-numbered speeches, materials about which general zalu spoke. there , it was clearly evident in the subtext between the lines that this is how we prepared, we did, but it is so imperceptibly stated there, but the supply was somewhat behind, well, it is clear that mr. general felt a little sorry for his partners, so to begin with, i would like, let's say, to indicate these things , because what we are going through, we are going through, but we have to think about what will happen tomorrow. well, you are talking about the fact that it was a wrong decision to conduct it in this way, or this, or this is a strategic mistake

president zelensky, because you worked. the two presidents are quite close, and you saw what they were wrong about and where they made mistakes, because leonid kuchma had his mistakes, viktor yushchenko had his mistakes, what happened now and what they think they changed all the military leaders, and that there is no hard-working person nearby who has a high trust rating not in... the fact that he will not multiply this rating of popular trust after that, and we still need to conduct sociology, look again at zelenskyi’s trust rating and at the rating trust dear, isn't this a strategic mistake of zelenskyy now before he says that he will go for a second term, because the first term is coming to an end, and believe me, mr. serhiy, i don't care what

the political... fate will be zelenskyi or zaluzhnyi, i am now talking about ukraine, it is important to me that whoever is there, zelenskyi, yushchenko, poroshenko, kuchma, that these foolish things are not done, well, it is not possible to train personnel in the state at such a price, it is not possible, therefore which means that we first make a colossal effort to get people to... cook, a then where will we send them, for whom and for what will they continue to live, work and so on, that is what is very important to me, now one more thing is very important, and i do not want to add fuel to this flame that is burning now, and that's why i don't call it rougher, or if it shouldn't be called, you know, there's another thing that's very important, there are people like that...

but when he's there, everybody's going to work, everybody's going to crash in the end, everybody's going to devote yourself, and the result will be, maybe he himself will not work very well, but people will believe him, because, well, there is the appropriate reputation of a person, is appropriate , forgive me for saying the image, because war is a completely different field, but it is, there are other people who ... will work 24 hours, fussing, waving, shouting, stomping legs, and the result will be sand. from this it must be understood that if there is trust in a person, then this trust must be guarded, it must be protected, because actually, in addition to the fact that there are powers that no one chose from

the supreme commander-in-chief. there is also legitimacy, that is, it is the society's perception of this or that person, this or that other decisions, actions and so on. the situation with the industrious, it goes far beyond the scope of powers, competence and so on, it is different, it is a different category of things, and yet there was no one to learn from them, there was no one to learn from, because... we live from a clean slate, as a young state, especially since the people who came in the 19th year faced problems that for them were, well, mega problems, they were titanic tasks, and therefore it is clear that they had to be solved on the go, of course, that in such a situation, when all this galaxy people with unique experiences...