if there really was something so terrible there, then it would have been removed, probably earlier, for which there was no need to wait 10 years. i don't like it at all when ukrainian law enforcement agencies have such a spoiler methodology, when they go to a press conference, tell all the cases, in detail, well, you know that, well, these things need to be clarified in court, well, if you have there is a case, and this is by the way, well, i want to say about all law enforcement agencies in ukraine, so if you have a case, take all these materials, hand them over as soon as possible. business in court and let's find out in free competition with the defense who is right and who is guilty, and all these materials can be made public there, if it is made public before that at a press conference, well, at least the lawyers can take all the materials in the press conferences to go to the european court and prove that terrible procedural violations were taking place, these are generally a case, accordingly, there is no point in conducting them, because they were done with procedural violations. therefore, it is difficult for me to say about

the details of the case, i generally believe that they are cases must be discussed by judges. the only thing i want to say is that i know that mr. pashynskyi has done a lot for the defense of ukraine and is still doing it, and one day, probably after the war, we will learn a lot, including about missile weapons, which were saved by various politicians before the war itself at the beginning of the war, but i can say for sure that now is definitely not the time to do various things, and if people... help the defense of the country, and we can see it from what he does, then he should be given the opportunity to work, because it is now the most important priority for us. mykola knyazhytsky wrote on his facebook page that the search of pashinsky, who is the head of the association of defense enterprises, shocked many contributors. pashinsky is known for supporting the development of neptunes, neptunes, bohdans and sending the first stugs to the front. i think it was no accident that they did it on the day when...

the court decided to take mr. liev into custody. liev is a former head of the department of defense. liev is involved in the case of the lviv arsenal, a company that stole billions from the budget under false pretenses contracts for artillery ammunition. i do not claim that liev is guilty, knyazhytskyi writes, the court must prove this. but the fact that such a theft was impossible without the instructions of higher authorities was shown even by a polygraph, which voluntarily went to pass liv. searches of pashinsky. in the case of kurchenko and rosneft nationalization of oil products from ten years ago, at the same time, it is revenge and an attempt to divert attention from the real thefts of the defense budget by the authorities. this is the opinion of mykola knyazhytskyi. oleksiy, how do you perceive such stories when law enforcement officers 10 years later, after 10 years , they put forward some kind of claims, whether it is mazeppi or ihor mazeppi.

who was engaged in the construction of a cottage town near kyiv, and these land matters are somehow very old, very old, that is , this government has been in power for 5 years, when the president came to the presidential chair, and suddenly 5 years later, after coming to power, they take this case again pashinsky, for what? so what is it for? it's hard to say, because pashinsky is of course a famous person, but not so much as to block all facaps, let's say yes, it's hard to say, absolutely, that is, from the media point of view, the more so , again, we understand, i've read many posts of famous people who are currently defending their homeland at the front, yes , chornovil itself, tatyana. who reject any

accusations against pashinsky, that is, from this point of view, it does not work out, but it is clear that the cases are constantly lying around, that is, they are kept in order that some certain moment will come, in order to extract them, that is why these there are many cases, and depending on the situation, from some other circumstances, they are drawn out, although i am in... sure that during the war, after all , cases that do not concern the army do not concern this time, specifically yes, that some crime was committed during the past two years there, for example, with wars, well, after all, you have to wait for them until victory or the end of the war, and then deal with them, if it really is, well, there is some sense in this , they are stealing now, a lot is being stolen, there are a lot of schemes... so

many, you don’t have time to read investigation every day, some, and it is necessary to deal with it, because it seems to me that it is more important, well, that's it resources are limited in law enforcement, after all. it is necessary to spend on things that bring benefits right now, especially, again, after reading some, some specialists, i am not a lawyer, they say that in principle this case, well, if you wish, let's say, it will fall apart in court. well, it's a strange story, to be honest, because pashinsky is the head of the association of defense enterprises, and again, well, we've witnessed many stories when people who manufacture weapons... came under some, some audits, some additional checks, and frankly saying, a completely logical question arises: if you have complaints about a case ten years ago, why don't you have such complaints about the things that

are happening now, because for some reason the journalists in this situation were the people who started talking about inflated prices for products the time of the ministry at the time when the ministry of defense was headed by oleksiy reznikov, mr. serhiy, do you think that there is more politics or an effort in this story, let's say, to redistribute influence on defense enterprises, which are included in this association, or to influence them, or, let's say, to influence those contracts that these enterprises. receive from the ministry of defense? well, in order to think something about this, you need to have access to the materials, which, unfortunately, we do not have, and this only emphasizes the fact that it is long past time for us to abandon this ideology

of a single marathon, when we do not have you can talk about everything, but someone can, we have to give up many other things and restrictions in politics, and the only thing where... to stay and really need censorship is censorship is not political, but which affects the military, well, for example, there are movements of troops connected with the work of air defense there, of course, censorship is needed there, but with regard to other issues it is not needed, and then we would have the opportunity to discuss it more with you open and to have more material for any cases related to the ministry of defense, i want to emphasize that this is the case. accuracy of information, it still creates rumors and mistrust, and that's bad, because in times of war, to mistrust anything in the ministry of defense, well, that's very bad history, but there will be such mistrust if we do not finally introduce circulation, free circulation

of information, of course, which touch not on military, but on political issues, so that we can draw some conclusions that there, whether it is a political struggle, internal under ... imna , is this a redistribution of the market, or are these really criminal cases, because as we can see from those audit cases, including those of various international structures, which appear from time to time again not in ukrainian ones, in foreign mass media, then for these years the ministry of defense of ukraine had everything, there was, there was courage, and heroism, and there were also criminal cases, and there was also corruption, and it is obvious now to everyone, so i would like it to be more... let's talk, then we will to know the truth in every case. thank you, gentlemen, we will return to our conversation in just a minute, do not switch. events, events that are happening right now and affect our lives. of course, the news

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and not only through him that said russian dictator vladimir putin on the anti-russian hysteria that seems to exist in the world, he believes that the entire west is at war with russia, and russia is not really interested in poland or the baltic countries, he is sure that the war in ukraine ... will end quickly if the west will simply stop providing weapons to ukraine, for this he does not need to hold negotiations with joseph biden. let's listen to this fragment of the interview. and what to decide here? everything is very simple, i repeat, we have contacts through various agencies. i'll tell you what we say on this matter and what we report to the us leadership. if you really want to end the hostilities, you need to end the arms supply. it will end within. a few weeks, that's all, and then we can agree on some terms, before you

do that, stop, which is easier, why should i call him, what should i talk to him about, or beg him, what? well , russia's representative at the united nations, vasyl nebendzia, in an interview with bbc journalist steven sakura, once again accused the west of outbreak of war against the russian federation. let's listen. we are, without a doubt, in a state of conflict with the west, we openly talk about it. the west is waging a proxy war against russia, and it is doing so, unfortunately, at the cost of the lives of ukrainians, providing them with weapons, not only conventional weapons, but also cluster bombs, all kinds of rocket launcher systems, shells with depleted uranium. the west also participates in military planning, in satellite surveillance of us. so the west, of course,

oleksiy, here is what it seems to you says inny benzia and putin, these are pleas to the united states of america for negotiations in order to invite to some negotiations, which they have clearly outlined that they will only talk with biden, probably not with biden, but... well, still with biden, and this means that now we should talk with biden, not with ukraine, yes, he said in an interview more than once that he is ready to talk to zelensky, but he is not allowed to talk to zelensky, so let him change the law, we will to agree, well, what is said is not at all it's interesting, we should understand that it 's a little more complete, or at least well... his picture of the world, which he somehow showed tucker kalson, it is more

in line, well, because he decides everything, not benzya, these are already such echoes all these intellectual efforts, therefore, a signal to a certain, well , this is really such a rather complex scheme, a complex topic, because the easiest thing to say is that a person has fallen into a frenzy and something is brewing there, and there is no need at all... to hide, but thank god , that the scenario planned by the kremlin did not work out, because first of all, it seems to me that it was the initiative of putin himself, to structure the interview in this way, and not the initiative of political technologists or specialists who know what to tell the kuposklanites there in the white order in the united states about how bad it is to be a nazi in ukraine, to put it mildly not. that topic, whether to tell the same, but well, more moderate republicans about the excellent relations with china,

russia, this is also somehow not quite where it should be, and the words, i noted this and not only me, of course, that when carlson tucker interviewed orbán, orbán he looked like an ideologue, an ideologue of christian european conservative culture. yes, which opposes left -liberalism, and putin with his historical lectures looked, well, really, like a person who does not understand after all... to whom he is addressing, i.e. what was, in what, why was this historical address, yes, and the fact that he misunderstood everything caused a reaction, yes, if the chinese are making fun of him, and frankly enough, or indeed, a completely logical question, so that if you review the borders, then

vladivostok, and a large part of siberia, it would have once belonged to china, and then you can also view all of these. conditions, and the former president of mongolia said so, well, i am not talking about europe there or about america, but the message about peace, about negotiations, not peace, but negotiations, yes, of course, he allegedly said that trump has every possibility, and he is doing it, to stop financial aid to ukraine in the amount of 61 billion dollars, and trump, in principle, this part of the agreement, if it exists at all, although most likely it does not exist, it would be so... such passes to each other, in order to everyone, well, helps each other, yes, putin , well, this is my version already, yes, putin guarantees that he will really make some concessions, yes, well, so that it will not be peaceful negotiations, yes, trump becomes president and comes to moscow or there comes to helsinki or wherever,

meets with putin, and comes out, says that there is nothing to negotiate with him, because he, well, it is not the best situation. yes they are, he comes out, says, we talked with putin, as i promised, for 24 hours, we agreed on everything, there, i don’t know what putin is ready to do, that’s another matter question, yes, and here, here it can be caught in this interview, it is possible, in principle, so that putin does not want to communicate with biden, he does not see the sense in this, he says it frankly, he has time, how he believes he will wait until november, when the government will change, and he will wait. more favorable conditions for him than trump could offer him today, but this is in the case that he, trump, fulfills his part of the agreement, yes, that is, he will not give help, and trump will simply use ukraine in two or three months, including in election campaigns, talking about

that, look, yes, look, everything that biden does, everything that he does not undertake, everything has failed completely, only the migration issue, even the war in ukraine, and here trump can of course play some serious failures of ukraine during the war during this year, then he will tell, you see, what is being done and what and what, and that it is necessary to really agree with putin, well, and then there may arise in different ways, but again, this everything is conditional, there are a lot of conventions, a lot of data, anything is possible to change completely, as well as putin. maybe got it wrong and trump eventually got it, and putin got it wrong , but then again, i can't understand why he didn't really use his least favorite horse and start talking about gender neutral toilets or something, yeah he talks about it very often, and for some reason here he is in front of a person who speaks openly about it, who really

supports him, what is really funny is that he supports these theses of putin, and something... but for some reason he was ashamed of putin, for some reason he gave up because this he speaks stupid russian for cattle , yes, that’s understandable, he can get in there , an american came here, whom he still, well , at least a little, but respects, considers to be sharp, and here he looks like a moron, well, full, so he’s not wants to, because i am 100% convinced that putin is actually all that nonsense about the gdp, about everything else, he doesn't believe it, well, he was just counting on the internal audience, serhii. how do you now perceive putin's attempts to shift, well, he always does it, well , he always shifts responsibility for what is happening in ukraine, against ukrainians , to the west, and in principle, he says, we were not the first to start the war, but we will end it, well , he has roughly such a thesis, it is part

of putin’s propaganda, there is nothing strange here, but if we talk about , such an information strategy is now putin's, it seems to me that it became obvious literally today, when this journalist, the so-called carlson, said that putin is allegedly ready to compromise with the measure regarding ukraine. like, he had a secret conversation with him, he didn't tell about the conditions of this conversation, what exactly was discussed there, but at the same time carlson says that putin is definitely ready to compromise. and i would consider it a part of putin's delusion, or perhaps a pr of carlsan himself, if only for one thing. the fact is that this thesis was very actively picked up by everyone. about the kremlin's tele-scrubbers, all the kremlin media picked up this thesis and began to spin it on all channels, this is in russia, where there is no freedom of speech and where all mass

media work for the propaganda of the kremlin. this means that the thesis about putin's alleged readiness to negotiate with the establishment regarding ukraine is there the kremlin's official position, which putin would like the west to hear. of course, putin has nothing good to agree on. there will be no compromise, of course, he does not want any peace in ukraine, but he wants the west to believe that he is ready for such a compromise. to whom are all these words and this entire interview addressed, only one person, trump. that's all for him, because now putin has, well, to be honest, the geopolitical situation, well , to put it mildly, not very well, because let's not talk about the mobilization potential of russia, about the fact that it will rise. pitched the economy on military rails, this is all true, but geopolitically, russia is losing a lot, because remember that before the great war in ukraine, russia claimed

to be the third or even second in the world, that is, it was a respectable country, with how in principle it was possible to have a business that was perceived as one of the world leaders, and now it has turned into some kind of iran, some kind of regional power, which is powerful, but prevents everyone from living. this is a completely different geopolitical status, so probably putin would like to enter into some geopolitical agreements so that to get out of at least this stage of the war in ukraine, well, it is more or less convenient for myself, and i think that putin is betting that trump, against the background of his pre-election promises , will also be ready for some compromises, that is exactly what this interview is about. it is precisely about all these agreements, what putin did was a little...unsuccessful, it is true, but this is the message he would like to convey, and therefore ukraine must be ready for what is possible, perhaps,

i emphasize, if trump returns to the white house, then there will be an attempt to conclude some kind of big geopolitical agreement, and for this ukraine needs to be ready, it is necessary to clearly strengthen ukraine's diplomatic presence in the united states, working with both political parties. strengthening contacts between ukrainian politicians and experts and american politicians and experts, targeting american mass media and american social networks so that we learn about the war in ukraine not from such dubious interviews. this is now a matter of national security, because putin is betting on war in ukraine americans will learn from such interviews, not from ukrainians. thank you sir. serhii taran , oleksiy holobutskyi were guests of our program today, and during this broadcast we conducted a survey, we asked you about this, whether you would like to see

a slob in ukrainian politics, let's see the results of the television poll 92% - yes, 8% - no, these are the results of the poll on tv and we 're running a poll, it's also ending now on youtube. channel results 86% yes, 14% no, it's on espresso's youtube channel. on friends, i'm putting an end to this, i wish you all good health, take care of yourself and your relatives, see you tomorrow at 20:00, goodbye.

we are looking for seven-year-old darinka kozachenko from the kharkiv region. i know that the girl is an orphan and

met the war at the border. in the city of vovchansk. this is the chuguy district of the region, which was occupied from the first days of the war. in the fall of 2022, this territory was liberated, but there is still no information about the missing child. perhaps the girl was taken to russia or to the temporarily occupied territories. of course, it is not excluded that the child may be on territory under the control of ukraine, so i ask everyone who has any information about daryna to call us on the tracing service hotline. of magnolia children by the short number 11630. calls from any ukrainian mobile operator are free, or write to the chatbot of the children's search service in telegram. i also want to remind you that we are continuing the search for 16-year-old karina kanivets, who also disappeared during the full-scale war, but already on the left bank of the kherson region. her mother told us about karina's disappearance. imagine, a woman already... someone

year knows nothing about the fate of his daughter. it so happened that karina's parents separated long before the start of the war and lived separately. the girl lived with her mother on a permanent basis, but on the eve of the full-scale invasion, she was with her father, and when the russians entered, she ended up in the occupied territory. from time to time. woman, she corresponded with her daughter on social networks, but in april 2023, the connection with karina mysteriously broke off. the girl stopped logging into her accounts, where she is now, no one knows. i already wrote, even, well, here on this one territory to search for a child, because i don't know where to shout, how to find a child, i can't, i'm an adequate mother, for me a child is my life. the girl's mother

now. is also in the occupied territory, but continues to do everything in her power to find her daughter. i want to appeal to everyone who saw or who knows something about my child, who went missing and stopped coming out since april 2023, this is karina igorevna konevets, born on august 9, 2007. if has anyone seen karina kanivets or knows anything? don't delay about her possible whereabouts and immediately contact the magnolia child tracing service at the short number 11630. calls from any ukrainian mobile operator are free. if it is suddenly not possible to call, write to the chatbot of the child tracing service in telegram. i want her to speak up. i'm really looking forward to it. thanks

to everyone who can help. i have told you only two stories of missing children. in general, since the beginning of the war, we have received thousands of appeals about help in the search. fortunately, the vast majority of children have already been found, but the fate of many remains unknown. this especially applies to the temporarily occupied territories, where the work of the police is virtually paralyzed, from where it is impossible to leave, and there are problems with communication, anyone can help find missing children. allocate everything. a minute of your time and go to the website of the magnolia children's tracing service. here you can view all the photos. who knows, maybe you will recognize someone and eventually help them find them. we have created a resource thanks to which you can report any crime against a child. in any city, at any time. just go to the site and let us know, and we

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