in kyiv, the security intelligence service will come immediately, no, it will not come , they are in favor, because they will be afraid to come, they will call you and so on, so you carry out this order and give an assessment, of course, criminal or not, you are not, well, a soldier cannot to give an assessment, but when a soldier is told that you must go and be wound up on tracks without, relatively speaking, without anti-tank weapons, well , there was a chance to prove your innocence even before, today we are building new bunkers, and what did you think, who what we , journalists, are talking about today let them make a list of how many military servicemen of the armed forces of ukraine have been convicted by the verdicts of the courts in the dbr cases. i remember last year the servant of the people, a deputy from the servant of the people party, i'm yatskiv, i guess that's the name, they did the tsk and, therefore, they evaluated the work of the sbu. this means that, over a certain period of time, the employees of the sbi initiated 400 criminal proceedings, 100 of them against officials.

3,000 against military personnel, and we say, stand up, the country is huge, well , here we are, here we are, and that’s all, you you see, the army is a section of society, and naev is the same, well, what was brought to the disposal of a serviceman can resign only if he is 200, if he is 300 severe and is dismissed according to vc, if he has three children, yes, he he can write a report on his dismissal, that's all, and that's how he's brought out... the orders will send him wherever he goes, but you won't send a general very far, well , a general needs a suitable position in accordance with his rank, but that's not the case, that you can send a major there to command a company or even a platoon, no problems , well, they won't send a trench further, that's all, but it doesn't work like that with generals, what was the problem of our generals, conventionally, general burba, general turchynov, general kanonenko, who else is there with us? marchenko, do you understand why they

are being held like this now, so to speak, not without giving them certain powers, well, imagine that, for example, there, general so-and-so was given command of a certain direction, and in this direction there was tremendous success, this will be a pr for him, but what about you, and how will zelenskyi survive such pr, he didn’t survive zaluzhny’s ratings, they themselves turned him into a politician, although zaluzhny never said that he was going into politics, they themselves launched him into the ratings, and when they saw that he was loved almost... 90% the population got scared, i apologize, they laughed and started to fire, because of the stump of a log, that ’s all, and such people, well, that’s it, that’s it, you understand that all things are like that, dismissal through the media, well, it’s just a shoe, well, you what, well, you have a phone, so call, say so and so, with the order of the commander-in-chief, i made a decision, well, if you appoint this person, then almost have the courage to say it to his face at least, well, it's okay, it's scary to say it to his face, well, say it at least on the phone.

well, this is some kind of absurdity, it’s called putting yourself, you know, in opposition, not together, we are not, zelenskyi went to stitch up ukraine, the way ukraine was stitched up by a ukrainian soldier, no president and head will never stitch it up, in our cemeteries , that in kharkiv, that in lviv, the same yellow and blue flags, zelensky went to stitch the country, this stitching according to zelenskyi, and i emphasize this once again, it was during the war. you can't think of a worse scenario, to put yourself in opposition to the army, your own army, zelenskyi practiced it, but no one appreciated it at the time, remember , they were supposed to hold a parade on the maidan, they were supposed to hold a parade, zelenskyy said, there won't be a parade, he's bunnies there showed us cats and bunnies and elephants near mykhailivska square, what veterans of the armed forces of ukraine, soldiers, those atoshniks, who were considered crazy, said, what did they say, if the supreme does not want to march with us, then we will go... without the supreme leader and we left, and

how many 75,000 military servicemen and war veterans marched on the baptismal font without zelensky, without our president, and he did not want to go with us, he was with us, you know, as they say , camilfo didn't want to walk with us on the crosswalk, well, we walked without him, it was the first signal, but for some reason people didn't appreciate that this signal, it's not the same thing, as they said in the cartoon, is not simple. not just like that, but look now at this one, that space station or something like this in ivano-frankivsk oblast, this is today, they are walking around, flirting, this is it, you understand that today this kind of difference is already embarrassed to go to protests against their own armed forces, because for them a representative of the tsk in the form of a soldier of the armed forces is an enemy, and the police walk and flirts with them, the only marathon told, they gave all the platforms. all the probable and

improbable lawyers and non-lawyers, lawyers and non-lawyers, have been given the opportunity to tell us how to avoid service, and now we are reaping the rewards when people get out. to rallies, people they go out, beat other people who are there rightly or wrongly, the issue is now legal, of course, what is wrong, they beat the children because they thought that they were spies from the tsk, that is, they are not rowed by rocket launchers, they are worried , so that there would be no spies from the tsk, today the evaders have gone to hell, i apologize, they are even capable of such things, and they are hiding further behind the skirts of their women, they are abnormal because... you can't name what kind of bats they can afford to beat people with, because it seemed to them that these are spies of the armed forces of ukraine, you can imagine, in the state of ukraine, this is zelenskyi working together with his team and his shabby marathon, this is today's information policy of podolya, this is the appointment we have today, the policy

of yermak's office, this is what is being done in the ministry of internal affairs, this is tatarov's policy today, and we live in this country, but once again i emphasize, all our people, first of all, destruction. no, and then we will deal with ukrainian nits. mr. major, because there was a personnel rotation of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine. well, you obviously know a lot about syrskyi more than our tv viewers. what can you say about the new head of the armed forces of ukraine, because a lot of different things are being written and said, and even more so, not against the background of the resignation of a brave man who had a high rating of public trust, of course, with whom it will be very difficult to prove at all whether to take a position or be liked by ukrainians or to arouse this trust, there will still be mistrust, because zelenskyi, the favorite of the people , removed him from the position of the head of the armed forces of ukraine.

well let's be honest, have we heard though once from zaluzhnyi that syrsky is unable to cope with the assigned tasks. i haven't heard that, it's the first, the second, i've known syrskyi since the 16th, maybe. since the 17th year, and since the 17th, probably 16, well, the 17th for sure, but i met him then, i couldn’t say anything bad either then or today, in this full-scale invasion, the first order that i received, it was an order through my comrades on the phone, that syrsky gave the order to advance with the unit to gostomil airport, you understand, yes, that is, he was in charge of the defense of kyiv, can someone say something, no, that’s why i i don't think there's much to say here, as far as...some people are now throwing bakhmut's defenses like this or not, do i fully agree that bakhmut's defenses were built correctly, no, i disagree, because when you throw assault units into the trenches, referring to defensive lines, when you put the paratroopers in the trenches instead of

them doing their jobs, i don't think it's good, but i don't know if we had reserves of others that could be put in the trenches , nevertheless, we... sharpened our landing force, relatively speaking, near solidar, although on the other hand, we are the lion's share of russians , and especially wagner ceased to exist in the bahamud direction, but today we have avdiivka, we have avdiivka, i don't know if it's true or not, but the public is already writing that avdiivka was thrown, well, one of the units magury, i know who trained for assault operations, they work in koksokhim, but they also abandoned the third assault unit, they say now, whether it's true or not, i won't tell you here. but if we threw the third assault unit to storm the buildings, we have them later hold on, we have a sufficient amount of artillery that can cover these buildings, yes, we have something to counter the aviation together with the russian cabs, but no, well, if so, then i don’t have anything against it, but more than six months

ago i said it was necessary to prepare new milestones for the road of a single logistic chain that connects avdiivka with the big land. in some areas, the russians have several hundred meters, that is, the issue must be decided radically, if you have nothing to hold, there is no artillery and fivi drones, because 40 billion were stolen in the past year, well, i didn’t steal 40 billion, but the special forces were arrested there, how many millions did they steal from our drones, so if you don’t have enough drones and artillery to cover these buildings and there isn’t enough air defense to shoot down planes so that they do not destroy these buildings with their hands. then the question of the feasibility of throwing all the buildings of the stormtrooper? i don't know, but he's the head of it, here's a question of assessing opportunities and analyzing the data he has, well, it's not my mind, because i'm not i can assess, but i see the risks, and in this context i have always said that if there is an opportunity

to receive plazdarm, because there is enough artillery, it should be received, and if there is not, then it is necessary to withdraw the troops to the prepared lines, and now the question is, we have is the engineer all right? that we have a place to take avdiivka, because the next one will be pokrovsk, and everyone understands that, and rusnia will not just go to pokrovsk, but will try to cut off the pokrovsk-konstantinivka route, everyone understands that. no, well, if everyone understands this, we probably already have bunkers built there, dzoty, doty, a concrete defense line, because in avdiivka, the defense line, built in the 14th, 15th, 16th years, lasted until today, until it was breached underground, and that is, the russians dug a tunnel, the main intelligence office, together with our scouts, i'm sorry , screwed up this information, and the russians went to the rear of those defenders who held that concrete line of defense, which has been holding for 10 years, and this does not remind of anything, i will remind you, maybe someone has forgotten it, but i will remind you how from

ugledar was transferred to bakhmut by tens of thousands russian servicemen, and the main intelligence agency was engaged in the filming of a film about the surgical liberation of the island of biyany, because this information was also leaked, and i said how tens of thousands were redeployed, but where is our intelligence, what did it do, this is not a needle , as they say, you can’t hide 10-20-30 thousand military personnel in a pile of walls, but now , for example, there is information that 4000 plus 500 tanks are concentrated in the direction of kupeni, there is, please tell me, who heard about it , what the russians transfer up to 40,000 under bakhmut , no one has heard, they have actually seen how much the guys put in, the same now near avdiivka, no one has heard of the tunnel, no one has heard, and what no one has heard, what is the news, he what built yesterday, this tunnel from... it was cleared, water was pumped out of it and they went to the rear of our guys. thank you, thank

you, mr. major, for the conversation, it was ihor lapin, major of the armed forces of ukraine, special officer, people's deputy of ukraine of the eighth convocation. friends, we are working live on the tv channel espresso, and on our youtube and facebook platforms, if you're watching us live there, please like this video and follow our page, our pages. in social networks. in addition, during our broadcast, we are conducting a poll, today we ask you about this, would you like to see a hard worker in ukrainian politics? yes , no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have an opinion, write it in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv, please pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you want to see valery zaluzhnyi in ukrainian politics, 0800-211-381, not 0800 2113. 72, all calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results

of this vote. next, we have a politician, diplomat, ambassador extraordinary plenipotentiary of ukraine in the republic of belarus in 2010-11, former representative of ukraine in the tripartite contact group in minsk, roman bezsmertny. mr. roman, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, mr. serhiu. mr. roman, we are witnesses. major reshuffles, personnel reshuffles in the ukrainian army, i.e., simultaneous , let's say, starting from the commander-in-chief, ending with the commanders of individual forces and individual directions, what do you think is connected with such, such a large personnel reshuffle, how motivated is it now, how do you it looks appropriate, heavy after two years. war, it is meant, a big heavy war and 10 years already in general russian-ukrainian

war, well, there are things about which a lot has been said already, mr. serhiy, and there are very important points that are left out of what has been said emotional, factual and so on, you can still supplement, but i would focus , i would suggest that we focus now on things. what else, which have not yet been discussed, and these are very important things, in fact, this war of the decade is not only a war against our eternal enemy, the enemy, against the existential threat that moscow carries, it is also the revival and formation of the ukrainian army, and the ukrainian army, and... the ukrainian officer corps, i i think i will not discover anything

new for our listeners if i say that any army is a collection of people who feed themselves if the army does not have properly trained officers, and i want to ask both you and myself now one very important question, now... quite a galaxy of people with unique experience has been released. i did not see any decree, but where is this experience? will be applied, their general ranks did not appear today, they are in the conditions of this war, some of them passed from major to captain, lieutenant colonel and so on, that is, these are people, whose experience is unique, and i understand very well that the supreme commander,

like most of those who today find... in the political leadership of ukraine, never had to read textbooks, books, famous strategists and so on, which described the behavior with the personnel reserve and personnel in the armed forces, thank god, now there is a discussion about mobilization in ukraine, and i hope that as a result of this discussion, at least ukraine. the parliament, the government, and the armed forces will adopt some model of mobilization, although in comparison with the classical training formulas personnel in the armed forces, it does not smell here, it is something new, which is born from the pen of those who try to manage these processes, but

i want to touch on this issue once again, actually, what about this experience, with these porins, with the experience of the plow, plowed with bruised foreheads and so on, how will he use this experience, because i once again emphasize the decrees on the appointment of these people to command divisions, directions, certain structures, even educational institutions. i haven't watched it yet, and that tells us that, actually, when we have this we translate the conversation from the point of view of the discussion, and if the situation were to improve, is it an improvement, because the question arises, actually, where will these people go?

by the way, i will give an answer now to the listeners, viewers and both of us, mr. serhiy, because i know something about how diplomats are treated, well, in particular, a person who worked as the ambassador of ukraine to the united nations for 10 years, well, as one of the best options, he is currently taking a course at one of the universities in the united states of america. this is a better option. for ukraine, the best is when people with such with experience, like zaluzhny, like naev, like shaptala, maybe they will find. rectors , heads of military institutions, who will invite them to teach, because i wonder where such a person will go tomorrow with his experience, as you understand, sooner or later each of them will need it, and one more thing that i cannot help but pay attention to, because there is a lot of talk around the name of mr. valery zaluzhnyi, a general

, a popular person, an active person, a well-deserved person, and so on, but there are several points that i cannot help but pay attention to , in fact, how was naev released, who is also 10 years in the army, a combat general, a combat officer, well, he found out about his release from the mass media, well, ah , they all deserved certain thanks for their... actions, their work, a certain gratitude. it is clear that mr. general zaluzhnyi said that this is not just his hero's award, but everyone's award. but if you want to thank, well, general shaptala does not deserve thanks, general naev does not deserve thanks, but

he does, but this is evidence that if only one thing was thought. a completely different thing was done, but the third will actually be, because the truth will be the situation can be seen much further. why am i saying this, because i know not only the reaction of ukrainian society, i know the reaction of the west, the united states of america, and europe, and at least there is no need to praise those who came, and no one is going to praise them, i only it hurts that fate they will be exactly the same as the fate of the industrious, naeva, they whispered, well, et. etsera. ah, but one must understand that each of them already knows this today. so, at the event , the maximum they said was, let's look at the situation, we will work with those who will come, with those who are appointed

, you know, mr. sergius, the west from this position, he saves, including those who now took and waved the checker, the saber, because i cannot evaluate what happened in any other way, because i say again , for me... for a person who has worked half his life, in the state system, i understand what it is like to leave people with ten years of experience, combat experience, now without application, without them working every day , because to work for 10 years in a regime in which a naev worked, salaried or with a shaptal, it's a hell of a job, and it's a bruising , colossal experience. and when i look now at the photo of the president with the newly appointed, i want to tell everyone right away that what i am saying now, they already know, they understand

it, and they are looking forward there, from here it is obvious that you need to think about how to act with these shots, and more such voroshilov raids with sabers on the shot. as we have now experienced, not to do, because this, this is not even stalinism, because you remember, there they appointed zhukov in the place of malinovsky, malinovsky in the place of rokossovsky, rokossovsky's place, another one, but they were given the opportunity to work, now a dozen generals will be on the street, and after such a colossal experience as these people have. not to use this experience, it's a shame, it's stupid, well, i don't know what else to say in this situation, i'm sorry, so i ask that

everyone understand this thing, because it concerns, including those who are currently appointed, and more one thing, at the event they will work with anyone, but one thing is to pick up after 3 minutes. and immediately start working, and it is completely different to enter this process. and when we had the opportunity, say, from the previous chairman of the joint chiefs of staff of the united states of america. remember, in the month of march, in the month of march, he announced, mark milley, that he was going to step down in the fall. for half a year, half a year went under. the preparation of brown so that he would enter into the course of affairs, get to know him, he was taken even before the assignment to ramstein, and now new

people have arrived, the situation, they know the situation, they know, they own it, they were at the front, they were in the same meetings, but these contacts will come with time, these contacts will come in a certain... period, and this period, time, time is a priceless thing in general, in war, this, this, this, this is something incredibly valuable, and from this it is obvious that when they say in the west that we will work, they actually hint that there is a certain gap that will require certain measures, certain actions on the part of all parties, pay attention, i... in parallel, general secretary stoltenberg stated about the need to radically change ramstein's management approaches. this is said not by chance, because there are two

factors: one is being created now across the ocean, thanks to donald trump, and the other is being created thanks to actions, well, from my point of view, let's call them false, because if it had to be entered. action, then it was necessary to enter, as professionals do, in order for syrskyi to work for three months in this system, external contacts, because you have to understand that there is another factor here: when you dispose of your own resources, it is good, because you understand them, you see them, you know them, and when you are in conditions where external resources are not from you... depend, because they are external, it creates certain conditions, a certain coordinate system in which you are, and you have to work in external communication just as you...

work with your subordinates, because you have to understand, and what will be the schedule of supplies, weapons, ammunition, because what we saw in individual small-numbered speeches, in the materials about which general zaluzhnyi spoke, there clearly in the subtext between the lines it was evident that this is how we prepared, we did, but it was so imperceptibly stated there , but the beginning was somewhat behind, well, it is clear that mr the general felt a little sorry for his partners , for a start i would like , let's say, to point out these things, because what we are going through, we are going through, but we have to think about what will happen tomorrow, well, you are talking about the fact that this was a wrong decision , to carry it out in this way, is it, is it a strategic

mistake of president zelenskyi? because you worked with the two presidents quite closely, and you saw what they were wrong about and where they made mistakes, because leonid kuchma had his mistakes, viktor yushchenko had his mistakes, er, what has happened now and the fact that they believe that they have changed all the military leaders, and that there is no one around who has a high rating. of trust, it is not a fact that he will not multiply this rating of public trust after that, and it is still necessary to conduct sociology, to look again at zelenskyi’s trust rating and at zaluzhnyi’s trust rating, is this not now a strategic mistake by zelenskyi, before he to say that he will go for a second term because the first term is coming to an end. believe me, mr. serhiy, i absolutely do not care what kind

political... the fate of zelensky or zaluzhnyi will be political, i will now talk about ukraine, it is important to me that whoever is there, zelensky, yushchenko, poroshenko, kuchma, that these foolish things are not done, well, it is impossible to train personnel like this, at such a price in the state, it is not possible, because it means that we first apply colossal. to prepare people, and then where do we send them, for whom and for what will they continue to live, work and so on, this is what is very important to me, now one more thing is very important, and i do not want to add oil it's a flame that's burning now, and that's why i don't call it ruder, or if it shouldn't be called, you know, there's another thing that's very

important, there are people like that, when he's present, everyone will work, everyone will break down in the end, everyone will give themselves, and the result will be, maybe he himself will not work very well, but people will believe him, because there is a corresponding reputation of a person, there is a corresponding, forgive me for saying image, because war is a completely different sphere, but it is true, there are other people. which will work 24 hours, fuss, wave your hands, shout, stamp your feet, and the result will be in the sand. from this it must be understood that if there is trust in a person , then this trust must be guarded, it must be protected, because actually, in addition to the fact that there are powers that no one chose from

the supreme... the commander-in-chief is also legitimacy, that is, the perception by society of the another person, this or that decision, action and so on. the situation with the industrious, it goes far beyond the scope of powers, competence and so on, it is different, it is a different category of things, but they were not there there was no one to learn from... to learn from, because we live from a clean slate, as a young state, especially since the people who came in the 19th year, they faced problems that were for them, well, mega problems , these were titanic tasks, and therefore it is clear that they had to be solved on the go, it would be clear...