significantly, but they must respond. thank you for being with us, i'll see you tomorrow, then the program verdict by serhii rudenko, let's watch together. good evening, we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours we will talk about... the country, the world, the war and our victory. today in the program. rotation of military leadership. inspections have begun in the general staff and units of the armed forces. what changes are possible in the management of the troops wait? help is coming. the us senate approved a bill with 60 billion for ukraine. will trump be able to stick sticks in his wheels in the house of representatives? grain

on the asphalt. ukraine calls for an investigation into the shameful incident at the border. who is behind the protests of polish farmers? over the next hour, we will talk about this and other things with our guests, major general serhiy kryvonos and the former minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, volodymyr mogrysk. the second part of our program will feature folk songs mps of ukraine mykyta poturaev, rostyslav pavlenko and andriy osadchuk. however, before before starting our big conversation, i suggest watching a video of how soldiers of the national guard of ukraine continue to successfully eliminate the invaders and their equipment. this time, the fighters managed to destroy the flamethrower volley fire system, the sundial. let's see.

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free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i want to introduce today's our first the guest is serhii krivonos, reserve major general, first deputy, former first deputy commander of special operations forces and former deputy secretary of the national security council. mr. general, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. general, cont. in recent days there have been mass dismissals and appointments in the leadership of the armed forces of ukraine, i counted 16 positions, 16 high-ranking military officers retired or were in reserve, i do not know, the office of the president of ukraine does not report this, and 16 new managers arrived. how do you assess this large personnel rotation and how appropriate is it in... at the current stage of the war and

in general, how much such a personnel change, a large personnel change, is appropriate now, from my point of view it is not appropriate, not only that, such actions power to release such a powerful mass of people, dismissed from their positions, they are not released yet from the ranks of the armed forces, they have shown in their majority the order, only general major ostashchenko, the former, has been released. i am the commander of the military medical forces i will say yes, yes, the way the government acted , it is shameful and simply, you know, dishonest, to put it mildly, although i do not think that the existing government has the word decency, because in the 22nd year, in the months of february and march, when certain there they were quietly gnawing away at the minnow in the basements of the president's office on the bank, just these generals together with horseshoes from ukraine. the people

under the leadership of general zaluzhny stopped the russian invasion, and i don’t thank you for anything, it’s so simple, it’s so simple, they fired him by decree, it’s just... you know, the highest point of cynicism and discontinuity, but this is not the first time, let's remember how general mozhenko, who at that time represented ukraine at an international meeting in brussels, was fired at the time , he was fired and those meetings were multiplied by zero, general pavlovsky was fired at the same time, he will also be at international exhibitions gunsmith's shop and resolved issues, held successful homes. regarding the supply of weapons to ukraine, i was also fired in fact and these negotiations were annulled, so i did not sell anything, nothing, let’s say new, this is just repeating such systemic dishonesty and ingratitude people who are in power, well, where

does their gratitude come from, they did not serve in the army and do not understand what officer cleanliness is and , in general, what honor is in the general sense, mr. general, in this list you did not... mention yourself, because general kryvonos was one of the first to be dismissed by the current government from the position of deputy secretary of the national security and defense council, and it was in 2020, you can explain why you were dismissed then, why these generals were dismissed now, because you are all heroes of the russian-ukrainian war, you are people who these 10 difficult years have passed. in this war, and just like that, to throw out this cohort of people who carried the armed forces of ukraine, well, i mean the leadership, well, it looks absolutely absurd in the rather difficult situation in which we are now.

in fact, everything is very simple, against the background of those people you listed, let's not touch me, it will not be entirely correct, but precisely against the background of those people who were called evil. of the armed forces, and now, who have now been relieved of those positions, all these people sitting in the office of the president, they just look like, uh pitiful fools, no more, no less, so why should they be compared with those who look courageous, professional, who have lived brightly all their lives and defend their ukraine, fearing nothing, envying no one and doing their job professionally, so in they were removed and now a new team has been recruited and they hope that it is the new team that will be silent, although i am more than sure that this is temporary complacency, because both general syrsky and those who are close to him will ask the same question to the authorities, why it does not work

the existing law on mobilization, why the economy does not meet the needs of the armed forces , why the political leadership of the country does not fulfill the law on mobilization, why... the mobilization plan has not been signed or distributed, why no enterprise of ukraine has received a mobilization task, many reasons, precisely, as for the existing law on mobilization, and there is a huge number of points that are not carried out by the supreme commander-in-chief, the cabinet of ministers, and the ministries, and the military in this law are purely consumers of the powerful work that should organize. the political leadership of the country, unfortunately, they did not do this, for whose benefit is it, well, only for the benefit of the enemy, so draw your own conclusions, dear ukrainians, why it is not being done, or they are not able to, if they are not able to, then they are making room for professionals , there are enough of them in ukraine, and let these professionals launch that system,

the ability to protect themselves and powerfully prepare both their own people and use powerful capabilities in our economy. after zelensky dismissed zaluzhny, a lot happened conversations and discussions about who oleksandr syrskyi is and whether he will be able to be, well , at least in a new guise, or, let's say, the new syrskyi and the leader of the armed forces of ukraine. you know very well the team that has now joined the leadership of the armed forces of ukraine. they were in other positions, respectively, there. second or third positions in the armed forces of ukraine, but these are also people who went through the war and are going through the war together with the brave and with you, including, how does this team differ from the team that left, that is, to simply to understand what is the difference and why this

team turned out to be better than the team that was retired, well, for zelenskyi, first of all, it did not show up completely, because it is just starting to work and has not shown any results, of course in this team has certain people who do not yet have experience working at the operational-strategic and strategic levels, and this... can seriously affect a certain situation, because the green government has already made such certain, you know, popular rotations for themselves, let's remember the dismissal , the mass dismissal of the military commissars last summer, and exactly what it led to, the military commissars were removed, only one was imprisoned, the others were simply covered with mud, no thanks and no apologies. as a result, the mobilization was disrupted and is now powerfully boxing. right now

it's the same, a class cambric doesn't determine if he'll be a class staff officer, or how long it will take him to become a staff power officer. therefore, it is simply a struggle for the popularity of one actor who stands on the stage and cannot tolerate all those who are more popular, than himself. mr. general, but those who were dismissed from the positions of combat commanders, combat generals, obviously, no one is talking about them now and no one is talking about their prospects, because in principle, the knowledge that these combat generals possess, including you , obviously most of the armies of the world do not have such experience, because... they do not wage war, you have a unique experience together with those who

were already released together with valery zaluzhny, why do you think the authorities do not use your experience and do not try to offer generals, some teaching positions in universities , some positions where you were useful, why doesn't general kryvonos pass on... his experience to those who study, to those who will go to the battlefield tomorrow, i pass on my experience, but i do it without advertising certain things , because the government persecutes and oppresses those people who communicate with general krivonos, even in the modern command of special operations forces there are surveys and they immediately ask the question, what kind of relationship do you have with general krivonos, what kind of relationship can those who served with me have? 5, 10, 15, 20 years in the same system, of course we know each other, of course we are like brothers, but

now they are trying to remove these people, the same way the authorities treat other people who have now been dismissed, and now the large number of generals who are placed at the disposal of the minister, he receives a salary for two or two months, then he will be appointed for it is unclear what, it is unclear, how he will be appointed in fact, or you will resign precisely because of your health, or you will simply beg, this... is not the first time that this has been done, and looking at it, for some reason i remember russian a song, it was heard in a song at one time, the resident's mistake and the family fed me generously with birch sap, nothing will change, you are used and then they throw out garbage, uh, and this does not mean that we have to hold a grudge against the state, because here the state is useless, just the managers of some will in cases that have fallen into such a situation. all such things are done by simple green envy and the desire to give a damn about people's

souls instead of helping and er strengthening themselves, normal leaders will surround themselves with professionals, not sycophants and those who who sing praises to you and for swaying warming, as for other generals, you are absolutely right, the experience of these generals you are actively... can be used, including by foreign ones, i think, offers will come, and maybe these people, if the state will not see directly. now we will restore contact with general kryvonos, some problems arose , we had some problems with communication, please , mr. general, and these people can absolutely calmly transfer their experience in foreign armies, in their time and to me more than once offered to... even accept the citizenship of one of the leading countries in the world and , in his same rank, to rejoin the army and

transfer experience to nato countries, but ukraine is ukraine and it is my homeland. i also hope that the generals, no matter what , will remain in ukraine and will pass on their experience to the soldiers and educate the next generation. the government does not deal with this issue at all. let's remember how successfully she froze the five- step program, which... precisely provided for the strengthening of ukraine's defense capabilities, not only armed forces forces, and of ukraine, but the authorities were not interested in it then and are not interested now, they are trying to appoint tsapami otsota. military personnel, but military personnel from the category that, unfortunately, when they serve, they do not have the right to criticize the government, but when they are already released, then probably there are many of them who will be able to tell how it really is on the sidelines and under the land, banking , when mice rustled quietly on the green lawn. mr. general, our viewer on youtube,

serhii popovsky, asks, please ask what general kryvonos is doing now, so i'm... addressing this question to you? i will personally answer this question, because i have already answered it, i help many, many soldiers who are currently preparing or fighting, i advise, i advise, and i also try to protect our soldiers, i take part in court proceedings to prosecute the heroes of ukraine, the real heroes of ukraine , the same roman shervinskyi, or today there was a trial of major malakhov, whom the authorities e... protocigarni without the right to bail, this is precisely the struggle for their brothers, for their co-servicemen, this is also now part of my life. mr. general, in the previous broadcast , when we talked about the prospects of general zaluzhnyi, and then the issue was resignation, not resignation, all these conversations that took place, and

today, i understand, it became clear to me, that is what will happen finally. .. further with zaluzhny, you hinted about it, that the current authorities may initiate some cases against general zaluzhny, and not only about general zaluzhny, we talked in general about those people who know how to fight, who know how to manage large collectives in the armed forces forces of ukraine. mariyana bezugla, the deputy head of the parliamentary committee on national security and defense, who held on to this chair after the devastating, simply... devastating attacks on zaluzhnyi, which she wrote on her facebook page, the ssu began a functional review, the general staff, units , who is fighting, who is not, staffs, rotations, well, you know, who would have reported about it, if not bezula, what relation does it have to all this in general, and is it so important

to conduct this functional review and do some kind of... revision, again against the background of the russian-ukrainian war and what is happening at the front, what kind of revision can we talk about, when and who will conduct it, the people who came to the new people came to the management positions, they know very well the situation inside the country and inside the armed forces, so how can you directly deal with it. mr. general, head of diplomacy of the european union borel. stated that russia may launch another major offensive in ukraine after the presidential election in march, another major russian offensive may launch a few months after the russian elections in march, however, i saw that the ukrainian people remained determined to continue the struggle, and i saw their resourcefulness and resilience at work,

borel said. well, actually, now we have some problems again. with the connection, mr. general, again forgive the connection and the fact that this connection is interrupted, borel said that in march russia may launch another major offensive in ukraine after the presidential, so-called elections in russia, how likely such a scenario is and whether our leadership is considering such a scenario, because today an interview with syrskyi appeared on tv tsdf, this is a german tv channel, and he says that ukraine is moving into a weak defense, and we are already on the offensive, we are not going now. well, we have already gone into deep defense since the end of summer last year, so we can clearly say that, for sure, there was activity in the zaporizhzhia direction, in other directions we actively

switched to defense. now the question is to what extent the government helped to organize this powerful. as to the fortifications of the place, when we hear that there are none money for dragon's teeth in the zaporizhzhia region , which is in the war zone, and there is somehow money for the european vision, then i ask you the question, does this government really want to win this war, or are they, like samurai, only interested in the direct path, and washing in them there is no, but they have only one way, how can they stay with this power for a long time, that is why they... are not actively engaged in victory, they do not care about the country, they do not care about the economy, they do not care about their own people, mr. general, there is another piece of information that came from... the military balance, this is the report of the international the institute for strategic studies in london, they write that russia has lost over 300 tanks during the war in ukraine, but has

enough inferior armored vehicles in storage to replace them and can potentially withstand another three years of heavy losses, do you agree with this statement , that russia still has this reserve for three years in terms of armored vehicles, but... well, an older model , probably from the 50s or 60s? i will say that you take the point of view as a pessimist, i take it as an optimist, so they have reserves and these reserves they have actively learned to use, now our task is to continue the powerful work that was carried out in december, january and early february to destroy a huge number of enterprises in russia, if we continue to actively burn them, then... nastogas-industrial complex, they will not be able to earn money for our own army, if we destroy their factories for the production of explosives , for the production of gunpowder, for the production

of ammunition, for the repair of equipment and weapons, their capacity will be significantly reduced, so the question will not be about three years, but much less indicator, so we understand which way to go about it, we understand how to implement it, now the task for the question to our authorities. whether they will be able to provide the necessary amount of financial equivalent to our needs in order to destroy the enemy's infrastructure, that's all. well, the question is whether our partners will also be in the same mood and, let's say, in those opportunities to help ukraine, because today german chancellor olaf scholz is at the ceremony of laying the groundwork for a new ammunition production plant in the town of unterluss. urged to go to large-scale production of defense equipment so that europe can successfully deter aggressors. let's hear what scholz said. we must combine all our efforts

now. in my opinion, this means that europe should contribute everywhere by providing sufficient arms and ammunition that can be delivered to ukraine. germany has taken a very big step, and other countries like denmark and... also, but not all have taken the necessary decisions yet. mr. general, it is clear that it is good to hope for europe, and to have one's own is certain, and also good, because one's own is one's own. yesterday we saw how searches were carried out in the apartment of serhiy pashynskyi, who heads the association of defense enterprises, he is accused of a case there from 10 years ago in 2014. when the oil products confiscated by kurchenko were diverted to the needs of the army, and

this story has been around for 10 years, but suddenly now it is back on the agenda, what is happening with the military-industrial complex now, because i remembered pashinsky, i remembered how in in the first days of the war, he gave the dough, which was contracted abroad... fighters, including tatyana chornovol , so that they defend kyiv from the russian invaders, now they want to bring him to justice, i understand, to announce a preventive measure, well, what do we have, they know how to deal with big green threads, let's do it again let's remember the same chervynsky, the same general marchenko, general pavlovsky, major malakhov, we have more than enough such examples, they... will suck up any case, and just as they invented the zhulyana airport cases in their time, and there are more than such examples enough,

the witch hunt has begun and continues, the authorities are trying to remove those who show their ability to protect ukraine with their work, nothing more, nothing less, they don't need such people, they want to control everything and influence all processes, but... you mentioned this case regarding zhulyany airport, how did this case end, you were accused of damaging the runway when this takeoff, russian helicopters or russian planes could land on the runway and the russian landing force could land right in the center of kyiv, what it ended because i am nothing, frankly , nothing, the case is frozen, and when the authorities want to press down my throat once again... they will simply reopen this case and will come directly to search me and arrest me like others my brothers, that is, they simply take and

lift. all those who managed or manage the army, and as a result, in this way , they are trying to somehow keep them, they, what are they afraid of, that those who have more authority in society, in the army will come to power, or are they afraid that the military generals will once will make it so that the leadership in the state will change in some illegitimate way, what, what are they afraid of at all? they are afraid of those people who are real ukrainians in spirit and by birth, and not only by passport, and those who rule us do not have one passport, but several passports, and it is not clear which one is closer to them, but for us it is necessary to clearly to understand that there is no need to be afraid, and our task is not to go on the path, like what the authorities say, who are afraid of some general coups or coups in general, we are a democratic free country. and

unfortunately, they elected the wrong person, the ukrainians made a mistake, but still time will tell and those who are ukrainians by birth, by spirit and by their perception will come to power legally. mr. general, during the last few days the american propagandist tucker carlson has been torpedoing the idea that putin is ready for negotiations, he is already tired of the war. that he is ready to sit down at the negotiating table there, well, of course not with zelensky, but with the leaders of the united states america, in your opinion, as in the opinion of the generals, it is not as likely that such a scenario is, as far as it can be that these generals and leaders of the armed forces of ukraine have been replaced and at the same time there are some conversations or negotiations about the fact that, in some way, it is necessary to end the war, well, we already

had it... this was the situation in march 22nd, when certain leaders went to negotiate without honoring the ukrainian people, now they are superheroes, and those who defended ukraine should be thrown directly outside the boundaries of active defense of ukraine, therefore the situation can be and be considered in such a way that the replacement for a young direct command was carried out with the aim of... at the same time, in parallel , work on certain agreements with our enemy, if there are such agreements, what the reaction might be in army, in the front of those people who hold weapons in their hands? unpredictable, let's say, unpredictable and unmanaged, ukrainian society, as

the experience of the last 30... years of independence shows , is capable more than once of directing a complex spend your energy in this way and correct the situation. we have already had two maidans, and if the situation is under control and somewhere they want to anger us and betray us, then the situation may be such that the rescue government of ukraine will begin to rule this country. i do not exclude such moments, it can be. with the participation of the military, time will tell. thank you, mr. general, for the conversation, it was general kryvonos. friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us it's live there, don't be stingy, please like this video, and also comment, heard from general kryvonos, we still have volodymyr ogrysko,

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