he would, and the more i follow what is happening with the so-called mobilization improvement process, the more it seems to me that it was initiated by the office solely to create a basis for rotation of military leadership, in other words, for the release in vain, because it was the president who first announced the figure of 500,000 at his final press conference on december 19 last year, i don't know... who pulled his tongue, and he immediately questioned it, you remember that, and of course, nikita can to create certain emotions that one should blindly vote for everything that is extremely important, and that he is ashamed that we did not vote, and the servants were not ashamed of the first bill that was submitted on december 25, exactly with such a tone, one by one, it is necessary to save country, let's vote, it ended with the fact that neither i, nor any of my colleagues ... voted for him, because he

was recalled, because everyone agreed that he is not suitable at all, that he is totally unconstitutional, and they talked about it ministers, whom i understand, bent on december 24 to they supported it in the cabinet of ministers, and then it turned out that no one looked him in the eye at all when the minister of finance said: i'm sorry, i have no money, he said it publicly, when the shoemaker comes out, he says: i'm sorry, it's not constitutional a lot is full of provisions of the law, when the head of... the police comes out and says: sorry, we will not issue summonses, in the sense of the national police. nikita, that was all, and it ’s not a shame for me, not for you, but it’s a shame for everyone who watches, but the problem is not shame, the problem is the trust that this process destroyed, starting from october-november of last year, and now february is already ending from the outside, and you and i know that the president will go to the munich security conference, and we will at best...

meet at the end of the month, maybe a specialized committee something will be finalized there, but when the supreme commander, the manager of all politics in the country, starts this process in such a way that it is discussed for four months, then forgive me, surely someone really does not want to really improve mobilization, despite the fact that three days ago there was a clear signal , that it turns out that syrsky needs to be audited, because we have million people in the defense forces, only 3,000 fought, as it turned out , well, excuse me, any citizen of ukraine who is not an expert draws a conclusion from this, then why do we need mobilization, if we have 700 thousand people who did not fight at all, well, it turns out the same way, at the same time, excuse me, i’m silent, how is it even possible to constantly voice some numbers that concern the army in a great war, well, in general, smart people voice numbers only to introduce into...

misleading the enemy, and if we let's announce it, then we we are probably misleading both the enemy and our own people, the people of ukraine. and at the same time, yes, the first reading was voted by the votes of the opz, and i did not vote for it, because i think it is a mockery of the people, the military and the mobilization process. and the votes of opzh are really a shame. and this is an abuse of democracy, which was abused by moscow agents. for decades in ukraine, i told some of them to their faces that you guys are lucky, because 100 years ago you would have been taken to the courtyard of the verkhovna rada and shot to hell, but we have democracy, yes in everything is according to the law, everything according to the procedure , and they vote in unison, and as one opposition faction aptly says, i'm just jealous that they were the first to come up with this, that the ex-opzh are such political hostages in the verkhovna rada that they walk around poor and they vote for everything in a row , but... well, if only they voted,

but people should know that they are present at all closed meetings, at conciliation councils, when they informed that there were a lot of meetings with the military leadership, when came for the closed ones doors, it was discussed with the chairman of the verkhovna rada, with the leaders of the faction of the groups, there are two boys sitting there who were recently in the opzh and are listening to all the secret information, what is this, to us, what is it? thank you, i understand that we would all like to adhere to the laws in the constitution as much as possible, but we understand that all these people, both at the level of the verkhovna rada and at the level of local councils, should bear at least political responsibility. we are repeating everything that happened in 2004 and 2014. remember, we are not all very young here, but still do you remember the year 2004, who could have imagined then that in 2023

nestor shufrych will be the head of the freedom of speech committee of the verkhovna rada, well, i remember myself on the maidan, you all remember yourselves, i hope you see, no one in their life believed that such a thing could happen at all, and those guys overstayed. they were resettled in 2004, resettled in 2014, how terrible is it after this nightmarish war that is taking place, where we pay daily with the lives of our people, tens of thousands have already died, they are re-incarcerated and re-incarcerated, nikita, i’m sorry, only out of will ruslan stefanchuk, davyd rahami and the president's office, because this is the easiest option to gather votes, thank you, mr. andriy, we will bet on that. full stop , let's go back to the fact that what is happening in general, well, we mentioned this big personnel rotation, 19, 16 commanders, 16 colonels and generals were dismissed from their positions, from their positions during

the dismissal of the industrious, plahuta came just then igor plahuta, who once commanded one of the units of the internal troops. during the crackdown on the maidan in the 14th year, the ministry of internal affairs of ukraine became to manage the tro forces. nayev was fired at all, without warning, he said that it was a secret, he learned about this dismissal. well, that is, how do you, gentlemen, assess what, what happened, because, well, 16 leaders of the armed forces were to be released during the war, well, obviously, there had to be some good reasons for this to change them all, i.e. what... actions were there for this, mr. rostyslav, well, i will still respond briefly to the previous one, because it is precisely the answers to your question that are important, because this is the only logic in the process, you know, if you vote with damn it, then the damn thing comes out, and we are not sitting in the verkhovna rada to vote with the damn thing on anything, so that

someone there comes up with it, i absolutely do not want to repeat theses, a lot of correct things have been said, i have to say that in february march 22nd was a time when we didn't have to. hell, when we sat down together, worked out, quarreled, reconciled, but worked out such answers to real problems that are still valid and work to this day, i think it will work for years to come, and then when we decided that the hell with us closer, well, unfortunately not to us, to the ruling party, then they forgot everything that happened, and those forces that are really behind ukraine for the european choice have become useless, so there is actually a very clear answer to all these questions. there are enough different projects, for example, european solidarity proposes to remove the remnants of the opzzh from any work in the parliament, someone there proposes to get rid of more radical mandates in general, but there are questions about the procedure of the constitution, but there are ways, it can be done and negotiated calmly, in our yes,

i'm sorry, the verkhovna rada meets once in a while two weeks, there is enough time to pass all the decisions, you receive from the president, it was absolutely correctly said here, from the president a position on the same mobilization. and to work out an option that will respond to problems and not create new problems, and that's why we didn't vote, colleagues didn't vote, because sorry, when a project creates problems instead of solving them, you can't hide it behind any emotions. now regarding the actual military leadership, does the president have the right to do so? well, he has, it is within his constitutional powers, but it is necessary understand that after what has been done, it doesn't matter what the commander-in-chief's last name is. something else, because the president has actually assumed full responsibility for what is happening at the front and around the front, so it will no longer work to hide behind the cabinet of ministers, the ruling party, the opz, anyone,

that is why it was made very risky, this is a decision that has very far-reaching consequences, such a reboot here by different... you know, there are different reports in the press, comparisons, who with the 19th year, who is with the 37th, who is still being compared to, well, these are all emotions too, but the truth is that now every step and who and the entire situation at the front will be evaluated through the prism of those who made these decisions, and now it will be very it's difficult, with every step it's harder to say who doesn't vote like that here, what does that mean , european solidarity, vote or someone else who doesn't support this or that decision is bad there, sorry. if that's how the stakes rise, then be prepared and be responsible for everything. mr. nikita, be ready to answer. i agree with rostislav, he raised the topic very seriously, that is, he emphasized a very important story in

a more precise part, a fundamental part in this whole story. i think that this is the decision of the president of ukraine, it is somewhere, well, mine. in my personal opinion, of course, the scale is somewhere close to the decision to stay in kyiv on february 24, 2022, because... that this decision, in fact, means that he does not see any other option for ending everything, well, except for this victory, rossislav is absolutely right, president zelenskyi made it absolutely clear that he sees no other chance but victory, and well... this can be evaluated differently, but i definitely respect it, although i completely agree with rosyslav

that the stakes are very high, but for me personally, it is much easier to live from now on in a country that i know for a fact that the president of this country sees no other options, starting with himself personally, than to fight to victory. thank you, mr. andriy, how do you, in short , perceive this large personnel rotation of the military, because we have a whole galaxy of generals and commanders who have been fighting for 10 years and fought for 10 years, now they have been released and released in different ways, obviously the experience they have is needed by the ukrainian army, the armed forces of ukraine and the ukrainian people. well, look, after all , i think it is quite clear that we either all win or we all lose, we are in

a situation where it is impossible, yes, somehow to share either success or loss, i hope this is absolutely clear to everyone, i also have no doubt that volodymyr oleksandrovich, he is a persistent and brave guy, yes, he sometimes does very important and interesting things, but you have to have experience in certain areas, we all have one problem, you know what, we are hostages of our... experience, there are four of us here, we don't really know how to do anything, except what we have been doing for the last years 15-20 in his professional life, this also applies to volodymyr zelenskyi, and he governs based on the best considerations, but based on my experience, i believe that he made an operational mistake, i am not even talking about a political mistake, because in i had periods there, i was there for 20-15 years, to be honest, it turns out, i worked... in two huge commercial organizations, where there were up to 500 employees, and i know very well that

it is impossible to change the entire management at the same time, if it even sneaked in, if it turned out to be very bad there on the basis of an audit , because then everything will get bogged down, because even if you bring in very high-quality and trained people, they all need time, because everyone works differently, everyone has a different style, different requirements, and so on, and the big one... one more thing, not enough to be a professional, you have to have total trust in themselves, because in war soldiers, officers, absolutely, absolutely everyone must believe in their commander-in-chief, because they risk their lives, they give their lives, and they will do it only for the sake of whom they believe. zaluzhny had this faith, and he built it over the years, he was appointed in the summer of the 21st, if i am not mistaken, nobody knew him then, well, we. they knew, a little bit of politics, of course, the military knew, the people of ukraine did not know who zaluzhny was, but during the two years of the great war

, zaluzhny turned into a doer, into a symbol of trust, into a symbol of struggle. now this symbol removed, using the formal powers that really exist, and removed not only him, removed the entire line of the team. once again, rotations are possible, it's normal, i don't know, you and i looked, probably in life there are hundreds of football matches, world cup finals, and we see that... coaches change, sometimes it's not even completely clear to us, but clear to the coaches in order to win. yes, replacements are needed, strengthening is needed, but to replace everyone now, i think it is a mistake. in addition, everyone perfectly understands, returning to experience, that the decisions were made, most likely , by these five or six managers of zelensky, where there is not a single professional military man, not a single one. that is, it most likely looks like a political decision. because volodymyr oleksandrovich did not particularly serve in the army, he did not graduate from the military academy, yes, he

learned certain things in the last 5 years of his political work, but he was not and is not a military expert and a military professional, but he made this decision, and i i agree with nikita that this decision is based on the level of risk, oh-oh-oh, what a serious one, and i want to add one more thesis that this decision is made against the background of a complete loss. of the foreign policy agenda last year, you and i were certainly happy with the decision to start negotiations, but i said even then that this decision is very important, but it is very difficult to fend off moscow's onslaught. we need weapons and money, and yesterday we all prayed for the senate of the united states of america, but it is already february, when you and i were expecting a decision in october-november, that is, the team that was fired is also diligent, it was not provided with resources, not that what for war, and for planning, because war is planning, and now the new team that came in, they are

experienced guys, but they also don't know what and how many weapons and when. they will have at their disposal how to plan the war, all this in a heap says that these replacements, they are unlikely to solve all our problems, and the results of them, i'm afraid, we will see much sooner than anyone thinks about it, thank you, thank you, mr. andriy, gentlemen, we have to take a short break, we will return to our broadcast, literally in a minute, tingling numbness. or crawling ants in limbs arise spontaneously and disturb you. a special complex of active substances dulgit antineuralgia helps to normalize the functioning of the nervous system. dolgit antineuralgia promotes the return to usual activities without subjugation and numbness in the limbs. anti-neuralgia capsules - help for your nervous system. why am i here i have sensitive teeth, eat ice cream, pain, cold air,

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us, it is obvious that the world will look at us at the munich security conference, it should start in just a few days, and volodymyr zelenskyi said that he will present the vision of 2024 at this conference , which can be decisive. let's listen to what zelensky said. we are preparing for the munich security conference, an important not only european, but also global platform. ukraine will present its vision this year, and in many ways. decisive year, those prospects that are in of all of us, of all free nations, and which must certainly not be lost, cooperation matters, and i am grateful. to everyone in the world who realizes this, to everyone who helps, to every leader, to every state who want an honest peace, just like ukrainians.

mr. rostyslav, if you were to advise president zelensky, what would you tell him, what should the head of the ukrainian state of such principle say so that on this platform, which is heard and seen and analyzed by all the leaders of practically all countries, all analysts, larger institutions, or whatever is the 24th year different from the 23rd, i'm not saying the 22nd? and you see, you also say the word different, it seems to me that precisely in this, and not in words, in deeds and decisions, the main message of ukraine should be heard, because if the president announces in an interview with italian television that the coming some big changes , a new stage and... a new stage, and then it ends only with a change in the military leadership and some cosmetic reshuffles in the government, then these are not the changes at all, but those that, first of all, await the ukrainian

society and which the partners are waiting for, because the partners, well, the european union, for example , moving to cooperation regarding accession, has very clear conditions and criteria in which democracy, human rights, including, by the way, parliamentary diversity, and about it directly ... is written in those documents that ukraine will receive. as for the united states, it is a matter of the fact that ukrainians themselves are working very actively and, exceedingly, beyond all possibilities , to strengthen their capacity, their unity. here it would be necessary to show that we are united not only in words and that we are not alone we are calling on the whole world to help us, but we are doing exactly the same superpowers and that, first of all, the government. because, after all , she has powers, she has leverage, and to whom much is given, much is asked of her, she has actually changed, because we know that

, for example, petro poroshenko has been invited to the münchen conference, i will be very interested to see , will we not see another farce this time, will this mission be disrupted, and will it not be a demonstration instead of a demonstration of unity and new approaches? again demonstrated some jealousy, some old patterns are shown again, the worst that we've seen, and against the background of that, unfortunately, any inflammatory speeches and any politico-technological moves that will be devised, they will not matter as much, because in the 22nd this year, a huge advantage of ukraine was that the ukrainian people and the ukrainian army did what no one expected, they stopped the enemy, beat him to the punch and pushed him away from key places. in the north of ukraine from the capital in the first place, then really such an appeal to values, she was absolutely justified and made sense. but further, very pragmatic,

whether we like it or not, new miracles and new changes await, and once again try to pour wine into the old ones, again tell some bright things, without demonstrating qualitative changes, alas, then it will be an exchange of some general . beautiful phrases, but we are not waiting for this, we are waiting for decisions on the renewal of funding, we are waiting for a decision on the supply of weapons, so now literally these days we will see these changes about something, or are they just words? thank you, mr. rostislav, sir mykyta, how do you see now whether the west is ready to listen to ukraine and listen and most importantly move forward with ukraine, or whether everything depends on ukraine. does something else also depend on the west, which may be beginning to perceive what is happening in ukraine in a different way now? the west is definitely still ready to listen to us, because a lot

of people actually realize that terrible things are happening in ukraine, the war has not gone anywhere, we can just spend too much time now, and you and i don't have much of it on the air anymore remained, what is connected with there is certain. that is, mixing the focus of attention, but to understand that we have not gone anywhere from the information space, it is difficult for me to say what the president will say, because the president has advisers, the president has a connection with the ministry of foreign affairs, with ambassadors, it's like that, you know, the story is not very correct, to think what to advise the president, i can say that i am next week, i myself am going as the head of the delegation to the osce, i know that i will be there... i will speak, i will speak there primarily about the economy , i will talk there about the need for a decision regarding the use of frozen russian assets

, both public and private... if we are accused of being so expensive, then defense, yes, friends, you have 300 billion, what is the problem, there is still rhetoric, maybe it is needed already to move on to real matters, and it will not be necessary to spend money from your national budgets, i will talk about our civilian prisoners, there is a very difficult situation, i will not go into it now, i think that many viewers know about this, i will of course also talk about children , well , i will talk about the central problems, in general i can say that... well, it is clear that it is unlikely that the president will say this, because it will not be very diplomatic, i would advise the world to leave the series, do not look up, because sometimes what is happening outside ukraine is very reminds of the events of the series, don't look up, this asteroid is flying at everyone's head, you need

to realize this and... uh, don't engage in, well, i don't know, organizing parties dedicated to various interesting topics there, but still make sure that this astaroyan should be knocked off this trajectory. thank you, mr. nikita, mr. andrii, what do you expect from the munich security conference, because it is quite a serious forum, and usually the leaders articulate all their thoughts there, we can remember the year 2007, when putin was there... he said that there is no need for a unipolar world, and it must be ended , well, actually, what he did in recent years, yes, there is a lot of interesting stuff there, but now you say it, i remember, i was there in the 22nd year, a week before the invasion, and they said goodbye to us very funny, in all seriousness , so they stung the hand, well, goodbye boys and girls, that is in principle, people gather there who understand well what is happening, you know, i would

look at it a little more broadly, because i have no doubt that volodymyr oleksandrovich will be written a good speech, and it should be noted again that the team preparing zelenskyi before such visits, they do a very good job, remember his speech at the united nations, the last speech in washington when he was there, it's all very reasonable, but i have a feeling that again the bank team wants to keep playing in the same game, to bet exclusively on volodymyr zelenskyi from... not at all evaluating the results of the previous two years, i have been begging the political leadership and the team of servants of the people on all media platforms since october of last year to completely complete all narratives and communication political practices that we used it in the foreign policy arena for two years in a row, this is used material, if i were volodymyr oleksandrovich, i would at least step over myself, put on a tie, a business suit and

start... not asking and telling fears that are really correct , what mykyta says is pure truth, you and i understand this in ukraine, but the full routinization of the war has already taken place, it has taken place, and if we continue to go around and only ask, we will be given less and less . now ukraine should come to the west and offer, offer the future, offer cooperation, offer our military experience, offer. our drone experts, well , you can come up with a lot, but you can't just ask, so i think it's critical to review our model in general work in the western space and to understand that zelensky alone will not be enough, we must complete our program, andriy osadchuk, nikita poturaev and rostislav pavlenko were guests of our program today, gentlemen, thank you for participating in the program, during

this broadcast we... asked you about this, do you expect further personnel rotations in power from zelenskyi? 66% yes, 34% no, these are the results of a television survey, this was a program, the verdict was brought by serhii rudenko, i wish everyone good health, take care of yourself and your family, see you tomorrow until 8:00 p.m. laughter, physical activity, sneezing. even during such a small load, urinary incontinence can make itself felt. feminost uuro helped me. thanks to the natural components of feminost uro, it helps to restore control over urination both during the day and at night. feminonost uro - urination under control. ask at pharmacies. there are discounts on lactial, 10% in psarynyk, bam and oskad pharmacies. there are discounts on zzilor. 10% in car stores

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