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three people's deputies of ukraine: andrii osachuk, mykyta paturaev and rostislav pavlenko, and since mr. andrii started talking about what, what actually, how we look from the outside, what, what are our plans in general and what, what, how the world is looking, including at us, then obviously the world will be looking at us at the munich security conference, which should begin. literally in a few days, and volodymyr zelenskyi said that he will present the vision of 2024 at this conference , which could become decisive. let's listen to what zelensky said. we are preparing for the munich security conference, an important not only european, but also global platform. ukraine will present its vision this year, and in many respects a decisive year. those prospects that

we all have, all free nations, and which certainly should not be lost, cooperation is important, i am grateful to everyone in the world who realizes this, to everyone who helps, to everyone to the leader of every state who want an honest peace, as well as ukrainians. mr. rostyslav, if you were to advise president zelensky, what would you tell him, what should the ukrainian head of state say? so fundamental in order that on this platform, which is heard and seen and analyzed by all the leaders of practically all countries, all the analysts of the largest institutions, how should the 24th year differ from the 23rd, i am not saying the 22nd, but you see you also say the word different, it seems to me, but precisely in this, and not in words, in deeds and decisions, and it should be heard... this is the main

message of ukraine, because if the president announces there in an interview to italian television that some big changes are coming, new stages and new stages, and then. then it ends only with a change in the military leadership and some cosmetic reshuffles in the government, these are not the changes at all, but what ukrainian society is waiting for first of all and what the partners are waiting for, because the partners, well, the european union, for example, when moving to cooperation regarding accession, has a very clear conditions and criteria in which democracy, human rights, including, by the way, parliamentary diversity, and this is directly written in those documents. that ukraine will receive, in relation to the united states, it is a matter of the fact that ukrainians themselves are working very actively and excessively, beyond all possibilities, to strengthen their capacity, their unity, here it would be necessary to show that we are

united not only in words and that we are not we only call on the whole world to help us, and we are doing exactly the same superpowers and that , first of all, the government, because, after all, it has the power. she has leverage, and to whom much is given, there are many questions about that, it has, in fact, changed, because we know that , for example, petro poroshenko has been invited to the munich conference, but i will be very interested to see if this time we will not see another farce, or if this business trip will not be interrupted , and isn't there going to be a demonstration here , instead of showing unity and new approaches, there's been some ... jealousy, some old patterns have been shown again, the worst we've seen, and in the background of that, unfortunately, any kind of inflammatory speech and any political technological moves there which will be invented, they will not have such importance, because in the 22nd year, the huge

advantage of ukraine was that the ukrainian people and the ukrainian army did what no one expected, they stopped the enemy, beat him to the punch and pushed him away from key cities in the north ukraine lagged behind. first of all, then really such an appeal to values, it was absolutely justified and made sense, but then very pragmatic, whether we like it or not, new miracles and new changes await, and once again try to pour new wine into the old bellows, tell again some bright things while not demonstrating qualitative changes, well, unfortunately, then it will be an exchange of some general and beautiful phrases, but we are waiting... not that, we are waiting for decisions on the renewal of funding, we are waiting for a decision on the supply of weapons, so now we are literally in these days will see these changes about something, or are they just words? thank you, mr. rostyslav, mr. nikita, how do you see now whether the west is ready to listen to ukraine and

listen, and most importantly to go forward with ukraine, whether everything depends on ukraine or something else. from an event that may is now beginning to perceive what is happening in ukraine in a different way? the west is definitely still ready to listen to us, because a lot of people actually realize that terrible things are happening in ukraine, the war has not gone anywhere, we can just waste too much time now, and you and i don't have much of it on the air anymore remained, with what is connected there certain, means the mixing of focuses. attention, but to understand that we have not gone anywhere from the information space, it is difficult for me to say what the president will say, because the president has advisers, the president has a connection with the ministry of foreign affairs, with ambassadors, it's like that, you know, the story is not very

correct, to think what to advise the president, i can say that next week, i myself am going as the head of the delegation to the osce, i i know that i will speak there, i will speak there about... first of all, the economy, i will speak there about the need for a decision regarding the use of frozen russian assets, both public and private, because if we are accused of we are so expensive, ours means defense, yes, friends, you have 300 billion, what is the problem, there is still rhetoric, maybe we need to move on to real things, and we will not have to spend money from your national budgets, i will talk about our civilian prisoners, there is a ... difficult situation, i will not go into it now, i think , that many viewers know about this, i will of course also talk about children, i will talk about central problems, in general i can say that it is clear that it is unlikely that the president will say this, because it will not be very diplomatic, i would advise don't watch the world get out of the series

up, because i sometimes feel what is happening outside of ukraine. very reminiscent of the events of the tv series "don't look up", this asteroid is flying at everyone's head, you need to realize this and not for... i don't know, he is engaged in the organization of parties dedicated to various interesting topics there, after all, take care to knock this asteroid out of of this trajectory. thank you, mr. nikita, mr. andriy, what do you expect from the munich security conference, because it is quite a serious forum, and usually leaders articulate all their thoughts there, we can remember the year 2007, when putin was there talked about the fact that there is no need for a fellow countryman... a good world and we need to put an end to it, well, actually, what he has been doing in recent years,

yes, there is a lot of interest there, but now you are saying this, i remember, i was there in 22- year, a week before the invasion, and they said goodbye to us very funny, they were completely serious, so they shook hands, well , good-bye, boys and girls, that is, in principle, people gather there who understand well what is going on, you know, i would i looked at everything a little wider, because i have no doubt. that they will write to volodymyr oleksandrovych a good speech, and it should be noted again that the team that prepares zelenskyi for such visits, they do their job very well, remember his speech at the united nations, the last speech in washington when he was there, it is all very reasonable, but i have a feeling that, once again, the banking team wants to continue playing the same game, to bet exclusively on volodymyr zelensky, without evaluating at all. for the previous two years, i

have been pleading with the political leadership and the servant team on all media platforms since last october people to completely complete all communication and political narratives and practices that we have used in the foreign policy arena for two years in a row, this is used material, if i were volodymyr oleksandrovich, i would at least step over myself, put on a tie, a business suit and start not asking for a story. .. these are fears that are really correct, what nikita says is the pure truth, you and i understand this in ukraine, but the full routinization of the war has already taken place, it has taken place, and if we continue to drive and just ask, we will be given less and less, now ukraine should come to the west and offer, offer the future, offer cooperation, offer our military experience, offer our experts is great. well, you can come up with a lot of things, but you can’t just ask

, so i think it is critically important to review our model of work in the western space in general and to understand that zelensky alone will not be enough, we have to complete our program, andriy osatchuk, nikita poturaev and rostyslav pavlenko were guests of today's ours programs, gentlemen, thank you for participating in the program, during this broadcast we asked you about this, are you waiting? zelenskyi's conclusion , further personnel rotations in the government 66% - yes, 34% no, these are the results of a television survey, this was a verdict program, serhii rudenko led it, i wish everyone good health, take care of yourself and your relatives, until tomorrow, until 20: 00, good evening, we are from ukraine. they came to the defense enterprise again, the senate said yes, and with what

zelensky, for what purpose he plans to decide to western europe, ask for shells or talk we will talk about security agreements, about this and about other things for the next hour and 45 minutes, this is the big ether, my name is vasyl zema, and we will start with the announcement of the collection. in order to move quickly and carry out combat missions, the legendary 25th separate airborne brigade of sieczlav needs a car, they are... constantly under the enemy's sights. the occupiers try to storm every day, but despite everything, our defenders firmly hold their formation in the eastern direction. we ask everyone who cares to join the fundraiser for the car you are currently seeing on screens, just such a car is very necessary for our soldiers. do not stand aside, every hryvnia brings our victory closer and accelerates the death of the enemy. our goal is 300 uah. please report the details you see on your screens. you and i have not closed anymore. one collection collected millions of hryvnias, our fighters responded, showing that they received

everything you collected money for, so we believe you, you believe us, and together we believe in the armed forces and support our glorious army. well, let's start by talking about the situation in dnipro, the enemy hit the city with these drones at night, they also flew over the region, there were artillery shells, but... but of course the attack on the dnipro was quite large-scale, danylo miro, deputy of the dnipro city council, is in touch with us, mr. danilo, i congratulate you, good evening, vasyl, i am very glad to see you, you know. when you are in another city and not in dnipro, even watching videos, reading telegram channels, you do not feel what the townspeople feel, experiencing the attack itself and the consequences of this attack, and we know that the houses were left without heat, without electricity , the hospital had to be evacuated , schools were closed, well, actually the situation is not easy, i just wanted you to describe a little exactly this attack, what it was like and then about overcoming the consequences and

how, to what extent the city was paralyzed in something after we managed to hit the enemy, in particular, in... in tets, please, in tets, vasyl, well, i want to say that i will not say that it was unexpected, probably, for us and you in general, such a word as unexpected from a neighbor of a terrorist, somehow it will be wrong interpreted, yes, that is, in principle, we always expect, but in fact at night it was very, very loud, there was a very multi-wave attack from drones, even there after a few. they launched one missile at a time, of course, they were testing our air defense, and so on, but our air force worked everything out very brilliantly, and that is a very, you know, so far very, very strong indicator that we do not have after such a large-scale attack , there are no victims, there are no wounded, there are no,

fortunately, dead people, so this is the most important thing, this is what we, most importantly, yes, what we save is the life of our people, we also hit the object of energy infrastructure and critical infrastructure, er, what can i say that at night we did not have light, water, heating, on very large residential areas this minute, well, even in the morning, the light was completely restored by our energy heroes throughout the city, that is , we did not have... a place where there was no light, as for water and heat, then large residential areas, unfortunately, until that specialists are working there to restore heat, because and, please, please, i just wanted to add that there was also an evacuation of hospital patients, i understand that again due to what happened, there was no access to thermal energy, possibly to

electricity , again, how successfully and effectively it was possible to do this, because this... was again a matter of people's lives, we understand that there are different patients in the hospital, there are stable people, there are people who, let's say, are urgent patients or people there who may have had operations, please, that's how everything was done for, let's say so, if i can say so at the highest level, because in fact, a very specific, let's say, medical institution, which actually required a lot of attention to patients, so the evacuation was connected with... precisely that , that there was no heating, and we also have five schools going online, due to the fact that there is also no heating, this morning two schools were finishing, well, we know, let's say, the temperature norms were appropriate, normal, and that's why they still

studied for half a day today, and tomorrow as well switches to the online format, due to the fact that there are problems with heating. i 'm so sorry for you, dad, please, it's over, and this is the situation at the moment, and what can be said, you know, our pride is our military, our angels, but there is also something to be proud of our specialists who work in the energy industry, and as for the water supply, and as for the heating, you know, ordinary people, but who do extraordinary things, thank you very much, thank you, of course, to the military, and the rescuers, and the utilities... who contributed to the fact that the city itself could continue to live, and heating and electricity supply were restored, and the greatest happiness in this story, in fact, because everything can be restored, rebuilt, but you can't bring people back, it's very good that there are no casualties and the enemy attacks were only on objects, not on people's lives danylo miro, a deputy of the dnipro city council, was with us. now we

will discuss now with one guest, then with another guest, and very much a question that, you know,... we would not like to discuss, but it happens and we need to explain what is happening, or ask ourselves question, and we will ask a question to mykhailo makaruk, he is a military serviceman, and now we will, mykhailo, congratulations, glory to ukraine, mr. winter, i am very glad to hear you heroes, congratulations and thank you for inviting me, thank you for agreeing, mykhailo, well we will start with the discussion of justified or unjustified inspections of defense enterprises, which actually manufacture certain types of weapons for... protection and sights, because there are several such, as they say, cases, today's story is a manufacturer of bulletproof vests ballistics reported about searches, the company was actually stopped , the website was stopped, orders were stopped , the showroom was not working for the heroes of sevastopol in kyiv, yes, but before that there were stories with serhii pashynskyi, with the company archer, which makes sights, let's take this case

today , and is there any system visible here, please trace completely different cases, first today ballistics officially announced and the owner that he thanked for the adequate behavior of the national police of ukraine, for the fact that they dispersed clearly the situation, because its direct competitor, the company welmet. wrote something inappropriately on them, like showdowns of competitors, and, in my opinion, this is inappropriate in the conditions of war, everyone knows velmet perfectly at the front, everyone knows ballistics perfectly, and in this case they should be on the contrary , friends than enemies, i wrote a direct post on the account of serhiy pashynskyi in order to immediately dispel a lot of manipulations there, i know serhiy pashynskyi, i met him in 2016, he was the head of the komi. on matters of defense and intelligence, and i helped to write then the bill of which i am frankly proud, i helped promote it, it was the bill on the special operations forces of the armed forces of ukraine, which was adopted in

the 17th year, in general, after that, in principle , we did not see each other, then i saw him on the third day of the war, when he brought the thighs to kyiv with the arab blyazza i sign from the arab contract, which, in principle, helped then very much in the defense of kyiv, extremely much. what the hell didn't happen, and i know that even in the news, the higher political leadership is proud of sau bohdan's raw production, stugna, corsair, alder, but it's all thanks to what was done by the company associated with pashinsky, but no one, well, i can say it personally. we were looking for exit 120 for one unit and it was all deaf, because of other people to pashinsky, they were in

short, from his production. it is strange to me to see openly in the information space at the same time the statements of the investigative committee, forgive me, mr. katapstan, that is, the russian federation, and our earwigs, who sing in unison. it's not normal, you guys, this is our group, here rumble all the way, it's tough, we have enough shells , who has no secret, we constantly need mortars, we need fat, shells, and we are watching what is happening with the defense complex in kyiv, in the rear, we have a very big misunderstanding of this situation , to put it mildly, you know, this kind of treason creeps into our souls, in general, well, look, we already had some checks, we had a state audit service or someone come there, they pulled out all the coordinates of defense enterprises, what it ended with a large missile attack on ukraine, everything is fine

they know what it led to, someone was punished, well, they didn’t come to any outspoken collaborator there, they didn’t come to these simple gentlemen, who people call themselves legal consultants, who are now openly disrupting the mobilization process, discrediting the same tsekashniks, the armed forces, the government doesn't see everyone, just like the investigative bodies, and it's wild for us, we just look and what's happening, you know, it feels like we've been thrown in, killed and everything is fine with everyone, but people are kind, we 've been fighting for two years , we are living people, we want to survive first of all, in this war, we are no longer talking about winning, we just want to survive, i will just add that according to the history with pashinsky, i read that the association of weapons manufacturers , which he heads, in fact... transferred weapons to the army during the period of a full-scale war is more than, say , come back alive and serhiy prytula combined, this is no no no no no criticism of others, it is just so that people can compare, and

on 14 there with something billions, all to they say that a lot of work is being done and a lot of weapons are being transferred at acceptable prices, and i am also i asked about about, i can tell you, what about this initiative of the government and the president... regarding the involvement of a private complex for the delivery of them to photo complexes of radio-electronic protection, radio-electronic warfare, 90% of it is precisely from this association that comes to the front, the same kvertus and many others ugh, and there was also a story about the sight manufacturers of the archer company, there were also inspections there in october, and you talked about it, just whether the story has normalized there and people can work, or are they ongoing? well you know us there are end users, we get marchers, we are grateful to this company for the fact that we can cooperate on the front with its in... products,

however, well, if everyone is shouting at us, attract private business to the defense sector, to production, and to the largest, well, representative, the largest association of arms manufacturers, well, they come, but what will a private entrepreneur say, who, for example, wants to produce something, he will say, everyone comes, they just come in and remind them of what he took from rosneft fuel, such, well, there were a lot of reports, well, it's not important. look, google is killed, it’s a simple check, so i say, they will come to me like this, why should i lose myself on repurposing, everyone is shouting, well, let ’s assemble drones in the kitchen, which then fly, they will not reach the destination and they have no batteries working , well, everything will be fine, thank you very much, mr. mykhailo, for joining and i wish you a good evening, today mykhailo makaruk, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, was

in touch with us, he actually told us how, which weapons are needed , and how this weapon, sight, it it can be a rifle, a means of protection, and how does the company do ballistics, well, there we understood already a different story, but in any case, and all this is necessary, because the ultimate beneficiary here is the armed forces of ukraine, the ultimate beneficiaries are us, the people , citizens of ukraine, who are not even at the front, because our troops, who are protecting ukraine today, are protected, armed, and have means of destruction in abundance. means of protection, means of transportation, armored vehicles, this is our security, and this is the hope of victory in this war, so the beneficiaries are us, the citizens, we the citizens, we, like the journalists in this story , should monitor, at least not criticize someone in general, not shout treason, at least talk about it and try to find out what is happening, if nothing good is happening, then we need to say, let's intervene and so that such and such a story has never happened, and we will continue

to talk about this topic, we include tetyana chornovola, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine and a journalist, in the conversation. ms. tatyana, congratulations. congratulations. glory to ukraine, glad to see and hear. glory to the heroes, i am also very happy to see. well, actually, we will start with the key topic, which is the search of serhiy pashinskyi. suspicions were handed over, they were not handed over, suspicions were written that it was a fake suspicion, but in any case , the story began. your reaction the very fact that they came with searches in... what they want and how you can now assess, well , as of this evening, maybe you have more information, what's going on there, if you've been in contact and you have, you have more information about the continuation of what started yesterday, as far as i know, the arrest of serhii is being prepared tomorrow pashynskyi, and the reasons for this arrest, i am absolutely convinced, are not a matter of the ten-year pressure of the 14th year, i don't even want to talk about it, because you know, if we talk about

this case, it means talking about pashynskyi, about his family, about his problems . in fact, now we have the problems of the whole country, and i want to say about this why such a massacre of poteshytskyi is taking place now. the fact is that now the supply of shells to the army has stopped. now i am directly at the front. i will tell you that, for example, 5 days therefore, 100 m from me, a chainsaw worked. according to the reconnaissance, we can see the traces of where this santsepok went. i went further, this is a certain factory area, the hangars are standing, i am currently working for fpv, i cannot fly into the fpv hangars, well , this is a mosquito bite, you know, this, this is a mosquito flying after an elephant, we don’t have any in our direction now, for example, shells, just to cover these hangars and to cover the sunbather, you understand what a sunbather is, by the way, i 'll tell you, it worked in the village, in the village where by the way there are still civilians, so you understand, yes thank god, by some luck , it turned out that there were no casualties, but you yourself understand

that this is a very terrible weapon. so, why do i mention this? why are there problems now in the army with shells? and because now in recent months such a very interesting situation has been taking place: now the contracts for those firms with which, let's say, pashinsky deals, are blocked, how does he deal? pashynsky heads the association of defense enterprises, the list of this association includes, in particular, these enterprises that supply shells to ukraine, what does pashynsky do, he would speaking, he established their contacts, he... resolved problems with various states so that these shells would go, then he controls the transparency and he controls the price, by the way of these shells, therefore, according to this association, these shells came with a minimum income of 3%, which allows the laws of ukraine, and accordingly these contracts, let's say, these are the cheapest contracts in this country, these are the contracts of this association, apart from the fact that they are not cheaper, so that you understand, these contracts, well, the vast majority of shells came under these cheap contracts, so last month...