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problems, we invited oleg penzyn, a member of the economic discussion club, for this. mr. oleg, i congratulate you. i love you too. we will start with such a protocol question , as they say, the mission of the international monetary fund, what they came with, what they talked about, what can be the first conclusions about the report, firstly, there is the inspection that took place and any advice or warnings from our partners from the imf ? listen, i will start with very unpleasant information, probably not everyone knows very well this is the program with the international monetary fund, which was adopted last year and according to which last year we received somewhere in the order of 4.5 billion . of ukraine's reform obligations, there is

another very interesting thing, it says that this program is valid only on the condition that ukraine receives macro-financial assistance from our largest partners, that is, in order to be completely clear, if there is no macro-financial assistance from the united states of america, the program of the international monetary fund will automatically be put on... pause, so that you and i understand what we are talking about, this is an extremely specific negative point: the international monetary fund actually says that only for conditions of macroeconomic financing, which are available, financial stability in ukraine will be achieved, if not, then there will be no financial stability, and they will not participate in the program of expanded financing, so we are enough...

seriously dependent on the funds that the united states of america will provide us. the senate, thank god, passed, but there are many difficult issues with the house of representatives. look, so that you and i understand what the nuance is, the nuance is that the international monetary fund does not have its own money. well, you get it, right? it does not collect taxes, it is not a state entity, it is an international financial organization that exists at the expense of donors. the largest donor of the international monetary fund is the united states of america. and decisions on macroeconomic, of macro-financial assistance to ukraine, it corresponds to the money that the americans provide to the international monetary fund, which accordingly lends to ukraine. so those things are interconnected, and there is no doubt that if ukraine did not fulfill the beacons, well...

you can always find moments that are not fulfilled, we understand that with you too, we have had cases with you when in international monetary fund loans were granted to ukraine, despite the fact that we did not fulfill two or three. not lighthouses, well, we understand, there were such events in history, that is, those tranches are even at par of the international monetary fund, it was said that they were politically motivated , the americans wanted to help, they helped, so this is the first point that must be clearly understood, and whether any lifelines will still be left for ukraine, well, suddenly, well, anything happens , for example, the non-voted aid to ukraine, at least in the foreseeable future, the imf says, well... we are slowing down for the time being, and as then, we were counting on the european union and their help. the imf will say, the imf will say, somewhat differently, he will say: wait, we told you that you need to increase your own revenues to the state budget, but we laid the beacons that you should first remove the simplified

taxation system, you should introduce increased business tax rates, you should return not only under... but customs inspections are also very active, you should have fought the shadow economy effectively, you have a shadow economy that accounts for 40% of domestic production, well, let's increase it, similarly, look for other opportunities, well, look, tell you about what can be said when you don't give money is quite simple, there are a lot of things that can be done, by the way, about... grams, actually there are beacons, they are extremely powerful, this is the issue of energy security, the issue of judicial reform , the issue of tax policy, the issue of eventually bringing prices and tariffs for energy carriers to

the market level for the population, we brought them, no, so i will always find a reason why i don't give you that money somewhere behind the brackets. realizing that, well, they are simply not there from our greatest sponsor , so this is roughly how it looks, well, despite everything, if there is money from the sponsor, then the monitoring mission of the international monetary fund will agree with all the positions that were adopted, especially since, as far as i understand, work is actively being carried out in the ministry at the moment of finance with the international monetary fund, work is actively being carried out on the bank of ukraine, that is, everything is worked out there, and that is, they all work within the existing protocol, and this must be clearly understood, they will do their thing, but why the actual decision regarding the allocation of money, it is a political decision, it is not

a socio-economic decision, if you want socio-economic decisions, go to the international financial markets, print eurobonds and sell them there, no one there sets any conditions regarding there... any political demands , but you and i are in debt restructuring, we have canceled payments on all eurobands, and no one on the international financial market will give us a single penny for any percentage, that is, we can receive money either from our partners or from donors, and we owe the imf, in my opinion, 12 billion dollars, no, if i'm not mistaken, we don't care either, by the way, the imf is the only organization. which very conscientiously received all payments from us in the 22nd and 23rd years, and the total volume of payments was, well, corresponded with the money they provided us, that is, i don’t count there, let’s say in

eurobods in 22 in 23 we spent restructuring, in the debts of ukraine as a sovereign, we postponed both there and in japan and in... in canada, we conscientiously paid every penny to the imf within the terms determined by the agreement on cooperation, that is, there are no questions here. i don't know if we will have time to discuss two topics, but we will definitely have time to discuss one, which is the work of the government, i understand that we are talking now about the office of the president, where there are many advisers, and about the government, as the second link, regarding that , how to conduct the so-called economic, economic mobilization. well, armor, economic armor during mobilization, that formula, that formula that i heard today, well , i read about it, it's called one fights, four work, and there the question is what amounts should be paid, taxes, and well work is going, but there is a certain direction, let

's talk about it, one is working, look, look, very briefly, so that we understand, this is a very simplified approach, and four working people will not... provide full-fledged equipment and weapons for that one fighter. i want to remind you that the figure is at the reporting conference, at the reporting press conference. sounded a little different, he said that behind one warrior there should be six taxpayers, and so it is in reality, why, because, i also watched this material, they slightly reduce the actual amount, well, that is, look, without weapons, without weapons, without ammunition and all the latter, only actual clothing, food, training, for each mobilized person it costs somewhere around 800, 850,000 hryvnias per

year, if with weapons, then the figure is on the order of a million 200,250, and in order to provide such an amount for , well, conditionally, let's say half a million, conditionally... a million mobilized, 3 million taxpayers are needed , that is, there should be six, four - that's right, let's say it frankly , very, very yes, economically, and this is from the macrofi condition, this is from the military-technical assistance condition our partners, because the americans , for example, give us weapons for free in the form of grants, and we order weapons only from the european union and only from manufacturers, and first of all... not even weapons, but ammunition, because we are very dependent on volume

ammunition that we use , that is, in principle, the number, well, let there be four men, and there are really two completely different approaches, no matter how unpopular it is in society, no matter how people in power are accused of what they want to paint a system where the rich will be redeemed, and the poor will die, i would not simplify this issue, the issue here is not only social justice, the issue here is that, firstly, the monetary payments to our soldiers who are fighting today, they are less than they have the right to expect, i.e. even the cash payments that are paid today are not enough, and they are still not enough money for them, and any additional mobilization, by the way, we have to... understand with you that dear additional mobilization - additional spending money,

so at least you can change those people who have been on the front lines for a long time, but i also understand that after changing these people, they will not be dismissed from the ranks of the armed forces, and they will still receive money, even if they will not be at zero, it is us too, even, sorry, be please, very ugly, even a dead person has the right to pay 15 million hryvnias for his relatives, and 15 million hryvnias you... excuse me, please, so that we understand, this is, well, 10 years on the front line, well, in in any case, i think that some kind of fair solution will be worked out, of course, as fair as possible and as fair as possible, i i don't believe in justice, the most effective, let's say yes, effective , which will definitely be hated in society, but this is one of those ways that are unpopular, which in any case, well, we always talk about labor armies with you, in our 88 00 people in labor armies, but the truth is that the salary there is uah 10,000. yes, so look, despite all

the things, i kind of think that in the near future, in parallel with the adoption of the law on changes to mobilization, we will see the law on paid reservation. there are those numbers that are there are extremely high, that is, according to some approaches , you have to pay 20,000 uah per month to the employer for a person, that is, you need to have 100,000 uah. salary, find me many employers who pay their employees such money at the moment, there are other options, the salary is at the level of uah 35,000, it is much less, and here the real income to the budget will probably be less than the expected one, but even this income is calculated to add an additional 300 billion uah to the budget, just so that we understand the budget rearmament. the armed forces of ukraine in 2024 amounted to uah 270 billion. this budget can be

doubled. is it worth it or not? that is, every person who speaks bad or good must understand those things as well. actually , there was one more thing, but the time has almost run out, so i probably won't interrupt you in mid-sentence. mr. oleg, thank you very much, thank you very much for joining, thank you for your professional comments. oleg penzyn, a member, was with us. economic discussion club, these are important issues, again, here everything should be as efficient as possible, as much as possible provision for those people who want, can be minimally motivated, minimally, though, but can be effective in the armed forces and maximally. honest payments into the budget , and not into the hands of a military officer on probation or some other employee of the vlk, where you buy off the fact that you don't want to serve, or you can't serve there or otherwise, well, let it be honest, and there will be direct payments here, and everything will be, well, again, justice hardly exists in this world, but maximum efficiency and work for victory must be done again, and now i

i invite serhiy rudenko to the conversation, the verdict program starts at 8 p.m., what will be discussed, serhiy, please tell us. good evening vasyl, literally in 15 minutes we will start our two-hour program, the verdict, well, we will have five guests for two hours, in the first part of our program, which will start at 8:00 p.m., there will be people's deputy of ukraine fedir venislavskyi, general ihor romanenko and political scientist maksym rozumny. let's talk about today's events , because today, the large amphibious... ship of the russian federation caesar kunikov went to the bottom, the gur fighters hit an occupying ship, a large ship that sank near the shores of the annexed crimea, and of course, let's talk about how nato congratulated ukraine on

another great naval victory, besides , another meeting was held today. the 19th meeting in the ramshtein format, which was agreed upon by the representatives of the international coalition that is helping ukraine in the war with the russian federation, and, of course, economic reservations during mobilization are being developed in the verkhovna rada of ukraine and the office of the president different concepts from lines from mobilization for additional tax. what this means, we will talk with our guests. the second part of our program will feature political scientists. oleg sahakyan and ihor reiterovych. our general topic is what is happening in the military leadership of the armed forces of ukraine, the rotation is huge, 16 generals left, 16 new commanders came, should we expect cases against zaluzhny and his team in this

story, and is it only about the political implications of this. layoff, big layoff, big rotation, deal pashinsky, why are they persecuting the head of the association of defense enterprises of ukraine, he has his own version, of course, nabu and the security service of ukraine explain in their own words and with their versions who is right and who is wrong, we will hear during this part of the verdict, of course , let's talk about... putin and how he is begging for talks, and what is being said about it in the world? all this, starting at 20:00, the big verdict is ahead, the big air of winter continues. vasyl, you have a word. thank you very much, sergey. serhiy rudenko, will get back to you at 8:00 p.m., well, now i have information that i

will voice for you. on wednesday, a woman was rescued from the rubble of a house destroyed by the russians in veliky borluka, kharkiv region. olek snigubov, head of the kharkiv oval, reported this in a telegram, ukrinform reports. the demolition of the rubble of a two-story building in the village of velikiy burluk and the rescue of people under the rubble are ongoing. the newly rescued woman is given the necessary medical assistance. according to the data, sorry, blue-cheeked, a total of five victims, unfortunately one person died, the police previously informed about the two dead. a new, new, new season of the thriller poroshenko is going abroad, poroshenko is not going abroad, why? poroshenko does not go abroad. so, the new season series, munich, yes, no. therefore, petro poroshenko was not allowed to go to munich. ah, stephanchuk received a statement from the fifth president, saying, "give me an order, please sign the delegation, but stepanchuk did not sign it." why, asks petro poroshenko, did you not sign for me. and here was the answer. head

of the main intelligence department kyrylo budanov informed the speaker of the parliament. this is poroshenko's direct speech, for some reason. speaker stefanchuk knows that immediately after crossing the ukraine-poland border, and especially in munich, i , that is, poroshenko, as the fifth president and leader of the opposition, is in mortal danger, and neither the state security department is capable of protecting me as a protected person , not the whole security system no, not the whole security system of germany, the only way to save poroshenko is not to release him, i'm just wondering, if such a serious force threatens poroshenko's life, that the whole system germany cannot protect him. and the state administration of security, state security, and why then can this terrible force not threaten poroshenko in ukraine, where there are a lot of people with weapons, where grenades are exploding in cars, where any, well, any... maybe, let's say, passing by office on lavrsky to throw some kind of explosives there or set up or just shoot poroshenko's car with a machine gun, well, that is, there must be logic, i

understand very well that it was stefanchuk who said that budanov told him so, it's not, we didn't hear that he said general budanov, and the heroes of ukraine, by the way, but it just looks, and how then can the state security department ensure the safety of volodymyr zelenskyi, who is supposed to attend the munich security conference, how can they ensure the safety of colonel-general sirsky, by the way. who is the commander -in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine in munich, syrskyi in munich, the man who today is the leader of the army, the man who commands operations today, this is syrskyi's army, this is his war, he is the main general in this army, why is this danger not threatening him today, except for enemies syrsky is now less important than the fifth president petro poroshenko, with all due respect to the fifth president, we understand that general syrsky is now much more dangerous for the enemy, but for some reason he is not in such serious danger in munich as petro poroshenko is , and... i would really not like it to be another story, i really would not like it, but unfortunately, this drama, poroshenko goes abroad, poroshenko does not go abroad, continues with

variable success, which again in it seems to me that there should be all those people in munich who at least 0.01% are ready to do something in order to give us, help, support and so on, at least 0.01, and i am not talking about 1.5%, for example, well, we are a national team. the national team, we, how, we, the national team, everyone is in their place, yes, and now about sports, not about the national teams, now it will be, but about the club teams that started yesterday in the spring, spring draw of the league, the stage of the champions league , we listen and watch yevhen postahov, a memorable evening for andrii lunin, the ukrainian goalkeeper of real madrid made che ne... a greater contribution to his team's victory over leipzig. in the first match of the 1/8 finals of the champions league, lunin made nine saves, thus repeating the record of currently injured

vershkovy goalkeeper thibaut courtois. in some situations, the ukrainian goalkeeper deflected very difficult balls. the result of the match was determined by the only scored goal. at the beginning of the second half , braim diyas scored for real. despite a number of chances, leipzig did not manage to recover. first of all, thanks to the excellent game of the ukrainian goalkeeper. lunin received high marks and rave reviews in the media, as well as praise from madrid coach carlo ancelotti. he played beautifully, very motivated and playing with real confidence, performances help him build confidence and he was outstanding today, in all aspects he did a fantastic job. in the return match in madrid, real and leipzig will meet on march 6. in the last match of the evening, the reigning champion of the champions cup , manchester city, coped with danish copenhagen. husepa guardiola's team , playing on a foreign field, scored a goal

opponent three goals, conceding once. kevin de bruyne, bernardo silva and phil foden scored goals for the english team. as part of the hosts , magnus madson is active in taking goals. the return match of this pair will also take place on march 6. two more matches in the round of 16 of the league. champions will be played today. france's paris saint-germain will host spain's real sociedad, while german champions bayern munich will play against lazio in the italian capital, rome. both meetings will start at 10 p.m. kyiv time. lesya tsurenko withdrew from the wta 1000 tournament in qatar until now. the ukrainian tennis player will not play her third round match against the japanese naomi osaka due to an elbow injury. the trouble happened after a significant victory. for tsurenko. the day before , for the first time in 5 years, lesya beat a representative of the top ten of the world ranking. kiyanka knocked out the sixth racket of the planet onts

jaber from tunisia (6-3-6-2). thus , there are still no representatives of ukraine at the tournament. marta kostiuk withdrew from the competition due to illness, and angelina kalinina is in the match lost to jelena ostapenko of latvia in the second round. 0636. ukrainian greco-roman wrestlers won two medals at the european championship in bucharest, silver and bronze. in the weight category up to 63 kg, oleksandr grushin lost to murad mammadov from azerbaijan, and zhan beleniuk triumphed in the fight for bronze in the weight category up to 87 kg. the olympic champion of tokyo defeated another representative of azerbaijan, islam abasov. it's cool that lunin is progressing so much, maybe we'll see him in goal with the national team already in march, but now about things more urgent, more important, the member states

of the coalition completed the signing of the agreement on... cooperation. we have not only an air coalition, not only an air defense coalition, but there is also a tank coalition, there is another coalition, which , by the way, is very important in this war. estonia became a participant, well, i will remind you, estonia is the motherland of skype and in general it is very, i was there, it is a very informed information country, and a very it country, it is just super super. luxembourg is a leader country, also belgium, denmark, iceland, italy, latvia, lithuania, the netherlands and ukraine. this is the first such agreement within the capacity coalition. the message says, in addition, great britain has completed the process of joining the iit coalition by signing a declaration of intent, i stand by the minister of defense rustem umirov, i am sure that we will be able to attract even more partners for the digitalization of our army, this is very important, well, we will to wait for the other results of ramstein, i will say that colonel-general oleksandr syrsky went there with his head, well, the president should be, that's why we are waiting, and now we are waiting for the weather, what

it will be like in ukraine. natalka didenko will tell us in detail tomorrow. hello everyone, dear ukrainians. today is february 14, almost half of february is already behind us, and there is very little left until spring. i, of course , congratulate everyone on today's tulip day. and we will talk about... the weather that is expected tomorrow, february 15, in the middle of the last month of winter in many european countries, well, of course, we will pay more attention to the capital, so tomorrow , february 15, it will be +9 cloudy in warsaw, damp in berlin cloudy +12°, in lisbon +17 +19, there may be a shower with a thunderstorm, it is already almost summer weather there, in paris it is beautiful +17°, but... without precipitation, without

heavy rain, that is, as, for example, in portugal, in lisbon, in rome it is +18 sunny, where else can it be sunny if not in rome, and it is very interesting, in london tomorrow it is expected to rain in places and +16°, it is just very warm here, well, we go further and talk about magnetic storms, and now for your attention, as always, a prognostic diagram, from which it can be seen that tomorrow there will be a slight activation of the earth's magnetic field, however insignificant, so we will go back and see what the weather will be like in ukraine and in each region, and as we have already mentioned about most european countries, we will start now with ukraine from the western regions, as always we traditionally go clockwise, so to say, so tomorrow it will be cloudy in the west , and the air temperature will be somewhere between 1 and 4° warm, it is quite cold, in the north there is

a chance... rain is also cool +2 +4°, in the evening this rain can turn into wet snow, for example, if it will decrease air temperature, cloudy weather is expected in the east, sorry, without significant precipitation, and also a low air temperature, although with pluses, a maximum of +1-4°. rain, wet, cloudy weather +3-+6° is expected in the central part of ukraine tomorrow. in the southern part of ukraine, it will be the warmest +7 +liu. 11 11 this applies more to the crimea, in some places light rain and in the south stormy gusts of the eastern wind up to 15-20 m/s are possible. well, in kyiv tomorrow the weather is expected to be mostly cloudy, in some places there is a chance of light rain, above evening with wet snow, the maximum air temperature in the capital is +3 -4°. thank you

for being with us. in a moment the verdict program, let's watch together, good evening, mez ukraine. to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. today in the program. caesar kunikov went to the bottom. nato congratulated ukraine on another great naval victory. what is left of the black sea fleet of russia? additional artillery and air defense. the 19th