we have a ratio of 25 to 75, in 15 minutes we return to the studio, oleg sahakyan and igor reiterovych will be on our air, wait, one step closer, ukraine regains dominance in the black sea equatorial region, we have collected everything that is known about it and will tell you in today's issue of bbc ukraine. i am olga polamaryuk. the russian amphibious assault ship caesar kunikov went to the bottom. it is already officially known that the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense and the armed forces of ukraine are behind the spy operation. the kremlin does not comment on the situation, what kind of ship it is and how it was lost will affect the military mission of russia. i will say frankly. so many memes and

pictures that i haven't seen in a long time today. users of social networks literally exploded after the news from the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine. the large landing ship tserkunikov was destroyed. this is how intelligence commented on the situation in the black sea equator this morning. what kind of ship is this, how did this special operation become possible, about everything in order? the guru released this video, in which marine drones attack a ship on night street, a drone approaches the… of the ship and hits it on the left side, then flames are visible, and the ship goes to the bottom. according to gur, there was a cargo of ammunition on board. and according to one version , most of the ship's crew died, other sources say that some of the sailors still managed to escape. the correspondents of bbc verify, this department that deals with data verification, analyzed the video of the destruction of the russian ship, so what is known to the public, here is their analysis. the military

intelligence of ukraine released this video, which seems to show the moment when near the coast occupied crimea, the russian amphibious assault ship caesar kunikov was sunk. this operation was carried out by the dawn special forces unit. the video shows several what are said to be naval drones approaching the ship, crashing into it, and then we see these explosions. we analyzed these shots and several characteristics of the ship. correspond to the technical features of this class of warships, in particular, these two marine radars and the gun that can be seen here. it should be emphasized that from these frames it is not possible to unequivocally state that it is this ship that is the caesar cunicol, but we can say that it is the same class of battleship . we also know that this footage is new. ukrainian officials say that the ship was attacked here. near the crimean coast

south of alupka. we cannot independently confirm the location based only on the video released by the main intelligence directorate of ukraine. however, we know that local telegram channels reported explosions in that area. and these shots appeared on the network, showing a fire in the sea. nothing at the moment no known casualties. russian telegram channels quickly announced that the ship's crew had survived. but this contradicts the reports. from ukrainian sources who say that the search and rescue operation was not successful. it should be added here that there have been no comments from official russian sources regarding this incident. we know that russia has at least 12 such ships in the black sea. and if confirmed, this will be the fourth russian amphibious assault ship sunk by the ukrainian military since the start of the full-scale invasion. then what kind of ship is this, it's a zarkunikov. this is

a project 775 ship, it is a little less than 40 years old, its gross displacement is 400 tons. the crew is 87 people, and recently such ships were mainly used as transport in the logistics chains of the russian occupation forces. well , it is interesting that caesar kunikov was attacked not for the first time. on march 22, the ship was damaged during an airstrike on the port of berdyansk. well now. caesar kunikov went to the bottom, like other russian ships. for almost two years of full-scale ukrainian war forces destroyed or damaged 24 russian ships. the last defeat was on february 1, not so long ago, when ukraine destroyed the ivanovets missile boat in the black sea. nothing is known about the fate of the crew since that time. you can find a lot of interesting information about the type of ship and the meaning of the operation from sinking it on our website. caesar kunikov, the armed forces say

they sank a russian amphibious assault ship, what is known about it, how are they reacting in russia? this is our article, i highly recommend reading it. and what is known about today's events? let's talk about it with the former deputy chief of staff of the naval forces of ukraine, andriy ryzhenko, on the call, mr. andriy, i congratulate you, here are 24 damaged and destroyed ships in the black sea, does this mean that ukraine is regaining its sovereignty in the black sea equatorial region, on your opinion and yes, indeed, this indicates that, although the dopanation is still quite far away, but for once... it can be said for sure that the opponent, the russian fleet, he, well, he, firstly, he does not dominate the sea, and secondly, it is significantly pushed away from the coastline of ukraine, in fact, to the bases in the crimea and in

krasnodar region, and by the way, these bases, if they were completely safe for him before. now they are becoming more and more dangerous, especially this applies to sevastopol, yes, in your opinion, what could have been transported by this ship, i mean caesar kunikov, but this ship, look, it was in novorossiya for quite a long time, and i think, well , he really does not perform his main function, that is, high... marine corps, although he is training for this, but i think that this transition from novorossiysk to sevastopol, during which it was attacked almost not far from its destination

by these kamikaze drones, it was transporting exactly meaning cargo, but my guess was that it could have been... komikat drones for shachet, because the russians use them quite actively from the crimea peninsula virtually every night in ukraine, and now i just read information from the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine that there is an assumption that there was missile ammunition for those forces located on the crimean peninsula, by the way, this missile stockpile just allows the russians to maintain some control over the northwestern part of the black sea and to keep this part of the sea blocked for civilian shipping. and here are such operations , they are just gradually

exhausting and humiliating the enemy's dominance, well, let's say , and we are recruiting more. in this , let's say, weights and restoring control over our waters, yes, well, but neither about ammunition nor about the situation in general, the russian side has still not said anything, nevertheless, mr. andriy, and are there opportunities in ukraine to continue such operations on water in the future? of course, i think that this is what ukraine should do now, that is, to carry out such combined attacks, swarms. naval drones , aerial drones and cruise missiles, with the aim of destroying the most combat-capable military targets, both on the territory of crimea and at sea, this applies to ships and, by

the way, to submarines, this applies to air defense systems of missile systems , airfields, because they are quite efficient. ukraine, as a rule, during planning very seriously studies the adversary's weak points and strikes precisely these weak points, and then develops this success with strikes on such a more serious military object, and such a combination of various systems, sea, air, drones, cruise missiles, it has a multiplier effect , here it is... it works, it works well, it needs to be developed, but in ukraine it is now very important to restore its surface fleet in order to take control of this sea section of the northwestern part after the enemy is bled

of the black sea, this requires a mosquito fleet, boats of 20-50 m, which would perform the roles of sea control and seadenial. in the interests of ukraine, restored shipping, ensured port security, and restored ukraine's sovereignty over the sea area. mr. andriyu, well, actually. naval fleet, stay in touch with us, first a few words about what means the ship was sunk, so how was it possible to sink the large amphibious assault ship caesar kunikov with naval drones, the ugurs say it was magura v5 drones, it is probably them used during the attack on the crimean bridge, this is a unique development of ukraine, a fast, powerful compact drone, one of the advantages of the invention is that they can be used in a swarm , several at a time. yes, today the information was again official, it was ron

magura p5, it was modernized , a number of requirements were taken into account, that is, those wishes that were determined during the hostilities, so was the combat unit, was the speed of movement, the means of communication were improved , control, sensor. indeed, it is possible in the composition of swarms, and then it is effective, as seen today the ship was pretty much destroyed, and it basically ended its existence on the seabed, earlier, when drones were searched for, it was only possible to damage them, thank you, mr. andriy, you explained everything so comprehensively... just what i wanted ask you about magura v5. andriy ryzhenko was in

touch with us, thank you very much. news in ukraine forced nato member countries to review their military budgets. this year , alliance members will allocate 380 billion dollars for defense. this will be 2% of their total for the first time gdp the secretary general of nato announced this during the meeting of defense ministers of nato member countries in brussels. and bbc correspondent jonathan beale reports from there. this is the second successful attack that the ukrainians have carried out against russian warships in the last month alone, and it is important because it limits the ability of the russian navy to maneuver in the black sea and also allows ukraine to export its grain through the black sea, which is of great importance to its economy. it should be noted that this does not mean that these actions themselves alone will ensure victory in the war. they will not determine the reformation of the front lines in ukraine itself. that's why the nato defense minister here in brussels is focusing on continuing military support for ukraine

by ramping up ammunition production. last but not least , the united states gave the mail in this. after months of negotiations , the us senate passed a $60 billion military aid package. but today nato secretary general jen stoltenberg, addressing the house of representatives, urged them to do that exactly. it will be much more difficult and will require more than just positive. drove from nato headquarters. now more and more countries of the alliance are spending more on defense. in 2014 , only three countries spent 2% of gdp on it. jen stoltenberg says that by the end of this year, there will be 18 countries out of 31 members of the alliance. obviously, donald trump, who mocked nato members when he was president and appears to be doing the same on the campaign trail, will take some credit for that, but s… the reason countries are focusing on spending that money, lies in what president putin is doing in

ukraine. well, it was jonathan beale from brussels, if you're interested in learning more, follow us on social media so you don't miss the most important news. we are on facebook, instagram, tiktok, and also on youtube, you can watch our news broadcasts if you missed them on the air, like, comment, share, we are only happy. well, that 's all for today, more stories on our website bbc.ua, also on our pages in social networks, and we will be on the air again, tomorrow, as always at 9 p.m., good luck, take care!

greetings friends, the second part of the verdict is live on the espresso tv channel, my name is serhiy rudenko, today in the issue: functional review in the armed forces. after the release , 16 generals can be fired. should we wait for cases against zaluzhny and his team? pashinsky's case. why are they persecuting the head of the association of defense enterprises of ukraine. risks to the defense capability of the country. putin begs for talks. kremlin spokesmen put forward conditions for compromises in the war with ukraine. what does the owner of the kremlin want? friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are watching us live there right now, please like

this video, subscribe to our pages, take our poll. today we ask you about this, or? do you support the idea of ​​deferment from mobilization for an additional tax? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have any opinion, please leave it below this video, if you are watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you support the idea of ​​postponing mobilization for additional tax 0.800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers. are free, vote, at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce the guests of today's studio, this is oleg sahakyan, political scientist, head of the unified coordination center platform. mr. oleg, i congratulate you. greetings too. glad to see you. ihor reiterovych, political scientist, head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center

for social development. mr. igor, i am you congratulations. thank you for being with us today. congratulations. so, gentlemen, let's begin our program with the bliss survey. we ask our viewers whether they support the idea from line to line of mobilization for an additional tax. very briefly, do you support this idea, because it is currently being discussed quite actively in the parliamentary committee on economic development, before the second reading of the mobilization bill. mr. oleg, please. well, in this wording, no, i do not support it, because a postponement for money immediately appeals to the fact that some will be able pay off, the others don't, officially now, although we understand that this is not officially happening, unfortunately in ukraine everywhere, but if we talk about the overall construction of a system in which everyone can be used by the state to the maximum with the greatest

coefficient of useful action on its own place, then yes, of course, labor or and... economic mobilization or reservation is necessary for ukraine, because one way or another we now need to build a system of long-term struggle, and whoever turns out to be better organized will be able to win in this war. russians are much more and we should be better organized and, accordingly, have a higher coefficient of useful action from each citizen. thank you, mr. oleg. mr. igor, in your opinion, can there be a postponement of mobilization for the additional tax that will need to be paid. you to the budget no, i do not support such an idea, because it has nothing to do with social justice, and we must remember that, in general, the bill on mobilization and the law on mobilization are primarily about justice, and it must be respected both in the social sphere and in all others that exist in the country today, in the wording in which it is really proposed

to make a committee, well, there is a certain discussion of this topic, it did not start today, this idea looks like... well in general, as a certain kind, you know, anarchism and what took place there in the 19th or early 20th century in some countries, and partially even in the same russian empire, so it cannot work now in the 21st century, here we must speak about new principles, approaches and standards in general, reservations as such, which should be open to the public, which should be as transparent as possible and which should answer all the questions that will arise. citizens, thank you, mr. igor , gentlemen, we are witnessing a large personnel reshuffle by zelensky, probably not for the first time since the restoration of ukraine's independence, 19 or 16 generals who were in command of various directions,

led by the head of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny, were dismissed at the same time , this is a mass layoff, can it be considered... or personnel rotation, large staff turnover, let's say this, can this be considered a strength of volodymyr zelensky or a weakness, mr. oleg, i would say that this is a consequence of certain chronic processes that have been launched, in the 23rd year of the fact that a significant part of the problems that accumulated they were not resolved, both administratively and ultimately politically, the tension and irritation that accumulated in... within the military-political leadership, and in the end all this led to a crisis of military-political, military-political unity, which, thank god, did not turn into either a managerial or a political crisis. and they saw that it was still on the finish line, at least it was resolved in a fairly civilized way, but nevertheless, it was the result of both systemic certain processes and subjective, let's say, political

and other games that also took place. i would divide the question of replacing mr. zaluzhnyi, since mr. zaluzhnyi is, after all, a very unusual person, and in fact we had two characters of the ukrainian epic of resistance to russia, this is the commander-in-chief, this is the commander-in-chief. zelensky, which exceeded the expectations of a significant part of the society at the first couple and demonstrated a completely different behavior than what was expected of him, and mr. zaluzhnyi, who was able to organize the defense of ukraine, relying on the potential of self-organization, it is clear that this is primarily ukrainian society, but nevertheless, under the command of mr. zaluzhny, who stood his ground at a time when no one expected ukraine to be able to oppose the russian federation from the outside, and ukrainians who believed in this defense saw in him... a commander who was able to organize it, and accordingly, this figure is legendary, and with his departure from power, the bulletproof vest came off, this teflon of the most diligent, it

protected the military and political leaders all the time from any troubles that could come from the front, at the moment he is gone, further all personnel changes, here it is necessary to consider them already as the arrival of a new team, as a result of the change of the chief of staff, and here there are several surnames that can raise questions about... for all one surname of the ex-head of the internal forces, of course, from the time of the maidan, there is keep in mind that this is an extremely unsuccessful personnel decision, currently from the point of view of political risks against the background, and without that, of quite serious tension in society, which are connected with the change of the head, the society, which is already thin-skinned, reacts very sharply to any what ambiguities and irritants, and this is a serious irritant, here for sure... a negative political decision is managerial and military, i cannot evaluate it, because i do not know to what extent mr. lahuta is really in his place, he does not have

sufficient competence for this information, but according to the majority of the commanders here, both from the military and from the profile experts , it is reported that there are really quite good personnel decisions and, for the most part, this rotation is currently justified from the point of view of those surnames and their functional and other personnel and personal qualities, which... these people, which these people have already demonstrated in a number of, let's say, months and years of the battle with russia, because a significant part of them grew up inside since the 14th year, precisely from the moment when the russian-ukrainian war began. well, but in this situation, obviously, it is necessary to remember those people who were released, because these people are also the basis of the ukrainian army, they are people who have a unique experience who fought during the last 10 years of the russian-ukrainian war, but they did not treat them very politely either , there general naev publicly said that he learned about his resignation from the press, although i think

that naev understood that he would go after the hard-working, here , it seems, there is no secret, there was no secret for naev, but everything after all, we see this big staffing, yes or no otherwise, this personnel reshuffle is a flight... well, or with political expediency, because this is a big change of generals and commanders of these forces, i will repeat once again, but there was nothing like this in the history of the ukrainian state, well, at least i do not remember, so that 16 army chiefs were dismissed within a day or two, did it happen somewhere, sir? what political consequences will this have, that is , now everything that will happen in the armed forces, and everything that will happen at the front,

will somehow be associated not only with syria, and with zelenskyi, that's right, well, it will definitely hit the president directly, why, because he carried out such personnel rotation, you asked about strength or weakness, the strength lies in the fact that we have this personnel... a resource, i.e. there are people who can come to certain positions, and the attitude towards them in the armed forces, well, in principle, is positive, i.e. everyone said that these are normal appointments, these people can perform the tasks that will be set before them, on the other hand, there is a certain weakness here, why, because when another big one is released the number of people who were also very effective in their position, let's not forget that and for the sake of fairness, what to compare the situation with, for example, the 22nd in 24 years, well, not very well, correct, it is clear that it was more difficult before , and they persevered in the most difficult period, now the situation is much more controlled, and we have

much more of everything than it was. at the beginning of the large-scale invasion of russia, therefore, accordingly, when such a rotation takes place, certain explanations must be given as to why it is happening and what it will manifest itself in, whether to manifest or the new approaches of those who came to these positions, or, for example, there is some greater high efficiency, well, a higher efficiency ratio and many other things that hr managers like to talk about, yes, that is, those who are looking for people on one or other positions, another very important point, by the way, we did not receive an answer to it today. today we can most likely get this answer from the mouth of only one person, this person's surname is syrskyi, i.e. how far were all these appointments agreed with him and to what extent they were directly initiated by him, that is, it is clear that when a new commander-in-chief appears, he wants to appoint some other people, to come, roughly speaking, with his team, this is an absolutely normal story, and there is nothing to be surprised about here, but well, it usually goes,

especially in the army, it is enough. conservative structure, we are talking about such point changes, there may be two or three generals, there, well, some immediate subordinates who are responsible for directions, or there for groups of troops, etc. troops, well, depending on what we are talking about, when we see such a rotation, well, here is the question: how many were in this rotation directly of syrsky, his people, representatives of his team, or was it an initiative of the president's office, which informed and perhaps even consulted with the new commander-in-chief. but she still appointed those people whom she considered necessary to appoint, and this is a very big challenge, including for the commander-in-chief, because we don't know, maybe there are people there with whom he did not really want to work, he of course, he will not say about it and will be absolutely right, and we respect and support him , let's say for such a position, but, purely psychologically, he may have certain problems working with those whom he did not want to see in one or another position, and this is the question

, it remains open, why i said that only... the commander-in-chief can say about it, because well, if he gives some kind of interview or some kind of press conference at least for maybe a small amount of media, and well, if he puts these two dots, well, let's solve this situation, if he doesn't do it, and with a high probability he will, because he is not that public a person, but a little more public than a good person, but well, we saw it before, when he was not yet under the commander-in-chief, but there was a noticeable hand of the president's office, that they really liked to shoot some videos there. and try to put him somewhere in the foreground, well, now he has a completely different situation, he will have to explain it one way or another, if there are no such explanations, it would be fine if it did not happen, and you and i talked about it at the previous programs, it will automatically hit very hard, including the president, he took it to a certain extent, whether he wanted it or not, well , it looks like this, he took on this responsibility, and accordingly, well, he will live with it and will accept everything that will

happen at the front. already through the prism of these personnel changes, because you know the phrase there, the question of what has become better, why was there a change, well , it will arise from time to time, and apparently there is no answer to it, because the decision is reset very politically, and here, first of all , we are talking about the desire to replace all those people who worked with the hard worker with others, it is good that they are professional and professionally trained, because in our country they often appoint people who have nothing to do with it . this is good actually, but still it does not look very good from the point of view of personnel policy. well , we will monitor how the new commander, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, or rather, the defense forces, as he is now called, how he will manage all defense forces, and what a team this is, of course, because you correctly said that this team went through the war, and they were also, let's say, in the second or third roles there, a little further, yes. and

they were simply pulled up, they will now lead the ukrainian army. against this background, a scandal is unfolding in the west with the statements of donald trump that the countries that are part of the north atlantic alliance and do not pay contributions there, the united states of america will not fight for them, and in principle, that's it, this statement by trump is just confused everyone, including the president of the united states of america. er joe biden, he criticized trump for encouraging russia to invade countries that do not fulfill their nato commitments, and the american leader said that such comments are a dangerous and shocking signal, equivalent to er vladimir putin's inclination to ee attacked countries that, well, that, shall we say, may fall under this...