on the forum, this is what the participants were saying about what someone has to do in order for us to win. it is up to everyone, and this is a question, this is a question, and at a certain point a correction was made internally, that is, both through the moderators and through other participants who said: no, no, look, it is very easy to shift the responsibility to whom, the question is, what are we doing , the question is whether we're looking far enough ahead, whether we understand what we have to do here and now and so on, and... and i see some trends that i think generally seems healthy to me, for example, and i look inside the business environment, how the attitude towards paying taxes has changed, paying taxes, which until recently looked like a necessary evil, uh, and in some cases an avoided evil, is now starting to become a factor of responsibility, because that the business itself is the beneficiary of the benefits it creates. taxes

yes, after all you and i all use supermarkets, use public transport and so on and so forth, we haven't had the collapse that could happen at the start of a full-scale invasion, we have the projected exchange rate of the national currency and so on and so forth, that is, we have a huge number of benefits that we take for granted on a daily basis, but in order for us to continue to rely on each other, we have, we have to be even more... be more careful to each other, we have to watch what words we say to each other, whether we keep our commitments and whether we are open to sometimes very uncomfortable changes. and the example i gave is that it is very important for society to have civilians who are not in the armed forces, to see that the armed forces adopts the philosophy of people-centeredness, and this is not just to make some... declaration, it is to show that

the armed forces really cares about the least possible number of casualties, what is real, what is the dignity of a person who , a person who is ready to sacrifice his own life, that his dignity is respected at every stage, he may be in a dirty and cold trench, but his life is valuable and he is not expendable, this, this is important, which cannot be a kpi on ... for example, about whether a unit fights well or not bad by the number of killed or wounded, and the greater this number, the better the unit fights, and so on. we hear hundreds and thousands of these stories, they have flooded the information space, because they do not penetrate through some propaganda mouthpiece, they penetrate through personal stories told by people who are in the armed forces, and this is an important issue. the second question is that we still... we have to

look ahead and we have to understand that it is very important for everyone to adapt to the war, and for civilians as well, you don't think so, i'm sorry, but i'm just going to ask a follow-up question , don't you think that last year we talked so much about our sustainability, about the fact that we live a normal life, about the fact that business pays taxes, we buy, they trade in blackout conditions, we talked so much. against the background of the successful offensive of our troops, that a part of society simply opted out of the war, believing that somewhere out there it will be done outside, and this is a large part of society, this happens when when expectations are overheated, when signals are too optimistic, this is natural, it will be to become, that's why an honest conversation is actually very important, i also believe that now , most likely, the situation may be real for many.

better than we estimate, because we are now at the lowest point of our feelings, he said at the forum that ukrainian society is at the lowest point of its spirit, well , this actually means that the situation can be better than it seems to us, exactly the same , how once it was worse than it seemed to us, that is, we also need to realize that self-esteem is not always correct, but, but... in any case , we are now in conditions of very changed rules of the game, we see how difficult it is to solve the issue with the help of ukraine in the united states, we see how slowly our partners in europe wake up, we see how difficult is this public discussion about what it should look like, under what wheels, that is, what roles are played by various institutions, who should...

take on what responsibility, how mobilization should take place, a very simple example, the law on mobilization, who got to parliament, then was recalled from parliament, then got into parliament again, had none. no public hearing, the experts had no opportunity to understand what is inside the draft law, it is some kind of secret, no, it is about the relationship between the citizen and the state, it is about what is the reason in your opinion, why the reason, because it is an unpopular law, it is a complex law, but if this law does not exist, then the people who will soon be in the trenches for the third year, will not be able to return home, have prospects of returning home. and this too complex, and this is actually so that this law can be accepted normally by all parties, it is very important to understand what principles are laid down in this law, and it is actually very important that the principles of the social contract of dignity are laid down in this

law, so that the law said: yes, there are risks to everyone's lives for you and me, but we all agree that human life and dignity are important, and if we agree on that... if we build our relationships by those standards, then fewer people will be opposed to it, and then we won't be in a situation and then we won't be in a situation where we fight each other, and i can say from the studies that i've seen, that i've studied for years, that if the state looks threatening in the eyes of the citizen, the citizen for these generation has already accumulated experience of corrupt... confrontation with the state, and the citizen will win, the ukrainians are very, the citizen, that is , corruption will win, corruption will win the rules, and accordingly, this means that the cost, transactional, of involving one person in, for example, the armed forces, will be so

high, that it will be impossible to work normally within the framework of, for example, such a law, and therefore it is very important that now the deputies who, by and large, are now responsible, only they, they are the only ones who can now and from the government, and from the opposition , i.e. from any and every camp, they are the only ones who will now be able to go inside , see, decide how they want to change the norms that are there, and in accordance with these changes, already offer society , means a new approach. rather than everything, any decision will be unpopular, because we are talking about the fact that everyone can donate, each of us and you... may find ourselves in a situation where we have to donate, whether ukrainians want to, a large part does not want to, but the question is what if, if the fate falls on you, what if the choice is yours, that is, what is the next course of action, and the question here is that we will be

as strong as the most vulnerable group will be protected of our society, i 'm afraid we don't fully understand it. last question, we have 3 minutes left , i would really like to talk to you about the previous topic, but i just have 3 minutes left, i still want to ask you about the frontier institute, and a week ago, in this very forum, which we are talking about now , you announced the launch of the frontier institute, why frontier, what are you investing in it and what specifically, how do you see your mission? we, as a society, are on the verge of a threat, and this threat will last, unfortunately, much longer than the war, because we are not at war with putin russia, we are fighting a much more complicated

phenomenon, if tomorrow there is no putin and there is no state in its present form, the imperial sentiment and imperial culture will still remain. it is important for us to learn. to live in such a way that we can have a protected, fulfilling life while living alongside the threat. the mission of the frontier institute is to understand how to ask questions of absolutely different players, academics, analysts, politicians, businesses and so on, what we can do so that we learn to be resilient, to be resilient, and to understand how we can, after all, over time this fronn. away from you, the frontier is a very american concept, that is, it is a concept from the united states in the 19th century, europe has forgotten what a frontier is, europe has not existed on the frontier for a very long time, and the other side of this mission is to help as well

our european partners should open their eyes and understand better that the fact that they do not feel pain, because they are not being hit, does not mean that this pain does not exist. ugh listen, a 15, for the last 15 years, or even for the last 10 years, do you feel that the frontier is still moving? that is, we are moving, if we take the berlin wall as a point of reference for the frontier, which divided the closed world from the open world, then as they said in that anecdote, we have made good progress, the question is simply that we have made progress and could not protect our borders, we have not were able to build a system that would be so stable that there was simply no point in attacking... us from the russian side, and as a result they now have a feeling that they can break us, they have a feeling that they can

create the conditions that will force us to fold, and then they will go to the borders of europe, where it will be much easier for them. and don't you think that we didn't succeed in many things precisely because we are a people of the frontier, that the frontier influenced the whole history, in some way on our identity, here is a similar one, well no... not in these words, but a similar opinion is expressed by serhiy bad it seems to me that frontiersmanship is part of our nature, but that does not mean that we must accept it as a given. at one time, the vikings, the scandinavians there, were the ones who preferred violent solutions, and modern scandinavia has completely different values, a different philosophy, i'm just thinking about the last 30 years, and that's what the difference is, right? it seems to me that it derives to some extent from the frontier nature of our identity.

i would say one of the things that can cloud the view is that sometimes we don't realize how crazy far we've come in the last 30 years and how much we've changed, and when i look through my professional lens, and i ask the question, could we have moved better, could we have moved... faster, could this trajectory have been realistically somehow, therefore easier, my professional answer is that no, we rather everything was moving according to one of the most optimal, possible scenarios, and if we honestly take into account the factors, which were the initial factors in which we were, and it was not poland, not bulgaria, not the czech republic, these were much tougher conditions, we have come a fantastic way, now we are in... a time of war we must understand that we cannot stop our transformation,

we must continue to implement reforms , we must continue to change, we must continue to strive for a different quality, we must remain both realists and maximalists in order to be able to build a life like ours, which we want, and we must also understand, that we have a fairly cool attitude from our western partners, because if we declare that our subjectivity is important to us, it is a threat not only to russia, it also means that the western partners will have to deal with us, and that is the reason why we have a blocked border, and that is the reason why we have problems with many neighboring governments of neighboring countries, and that is the reason why this awakening of the great european powers there is so slow, our sub objectivity is not a signal that it will be easier to... on the contrary, it is a signal for everyone that there will be more competition, it will be necessary to take into account the opinion of these ukrainians, who

are these ukrainians, who allowed them, so from we need to demand something and so on have answers to these questions, and one minute remains, but i cannot ask about such a threat, if you said the word victory, i will not ask what victory means to you, you ask, by the way, in your excellent report, you ask questions, but you don't answer him, yes, if this... victory will not be what ukrainian society expects, if it is, and it will obviously be like that, yes, because it will be connected with certain compromises, with certain people, i.e. the people perhaps will not feel the triumph of victory, will it not happen that it will lead to isolationism, to anti-westernism, to insulting western partners and the whole world, and to such things, to certain stagnation, do you see this threat? "i really hope that we won't have to think about it, but i think that this

is a test of maturity for us, we have to, instead of being offended by circumstances that are sometimes objective, we have to think more often about how we can be the strongest in every situation, and the answer to the question of what a ukrainian victory should look like, and thinking about how it should..." to look like a ukrainian victory must be a continuous process within each of us, within each sector, we must be very clear that this is the answer that we need and to a lesser extent our partners need, so in many cases we will have to make difficult decisions that will be including angering our partners who may be unpopular within the country and so on and so on and so on. it is very important for us not to primitiveize the answer to

this question, or to reduce it to only boundaries or only to means some legal one. status, this is a more complicated issue, subjectivity is involved , identity is involved, culture is involved, security from future attacks is involved, there are a lot of factors involved, physical survival on this, absolutely, evgeny , thank you for the conversation, yevgeny hlibovytskyi, a member of the nestor group, and the director of the newly created frontier institute, was my guest, thank you for being with us, we imagine victory, it's great, thank you, thank you. verdict by isergy rudenko, from now on in a new two-hour format. more analytics, more more important topics, even more top guests, foreign experts, inclusion from abroad, about ukraine, the world, the front, society, and also feedback, you

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knowledge of oxen saves lives. watch this week in the judicial control program with tatyana shustrova. judge maidan on the way out. who did you kks send for dismissal last week? she lost consciousness and threw us to the garage. but as an unscrupulous judge, otrosh tried to hold on to her position. congratulations, that's it judicial control and i, tatyana shustrova. during all the years of independence, the judicial system of ukraine has repeatedly undergone changes. this year , despite the full-scale war, judicial reform gained considerable momentum, and while a new composition of key judicial authorities is being formed, which should form an honest judicial body, the courts still remain corrupt, under the control of oligarchs and politicians. today we will tell you about another unscrupulous servant of themis. but

first to the news. the supreme council on... the judge stopped the consideration of the disciplinary case against judge tandyr, who killed a national guardsman at a checkpoint in kyiv. the complaint against the judge was filed by the public integrity council, and contains information that may be grounds for tandir's dismissal from office. vitaliy salikhov, a member of the prosecutor general's office, said that he did not have time to draw up a conclusion on the case, allegedly because he waited a long time for the requested information from the prosecutor's office. according to the law, the conclusion must be submitted for consideration 30 days after the complaint is filed. in the case of tandyr, until february 10. we will remind you that may 26 is the year of the chairman oleksiy tandyr of the makariv district court , driving a lexus car, ran over national guard soldier vadym bondarenko, who was on duty at the checkpoint at the entrance to kyiv. the military serviceman, who was originally from cherkasy and raised three children, died. according to the investigation, at the time

of the accident, the judge's car was moving at a speed of 100 km/h, the tandir himself was intoxicated. drunkenness the former head of the supreme court , vsevolod knyazum, was released from prison on bail. we will remind you that last year in may, the national anti-corruption bureau and the specialized the anti-corruption prosecutor's office exposed the most extensive corruption in the supreme court of ukraine. the scheme of receiving a record bribe of almost 3 million dollars by management and judges. the head of the supreme court, vsevolod knyaz, was arrested with the alternative of posting a bail of more than uah 107 million. not every month, at the request of the prince's lawyers, this amount was reduced until it became six times smaller. on january 31 , unknown persons contributed 18,168 thousand for the princes. uah bail and the ex-head of the supreme court was released from custody. he cannot leave kyiv without permission, must surrender foreign passports, wear an electronic means

of control. on february 6, the supreme council of justice suspended knyaz from the administration of justice until april 6, 2024 in connection with criminal prosecution. the higher qualification commission of judges of ukraine continues. cleaning the judicial system from unworthy representatives through evaluation of judges for compliance with strict requirements, professional, ethical and anti-corruption criteria. the evaluation is performed for the first time after a complete restart of the commission, in accordance with high international standards of justice, so not everyone passes it. last week , several judges failed the evaluation at once, two judges were sent to the maidan for dismissal. judge of the solomyan district court of kyiv, maryna lozynska. during the revolution of dignity sent 20-year-old student oleksandr sydorenko behind bars. berkut fighters grabbed him on the square, beat him and tortured him

with electric shocks. we were led around a circle where a dozen or two berkut residents were standing. and they started to beat us, and then i lost it consciousness and we were thrown into the garage. with feet, sticks, hands, everything, even stones. a concussion of moderate severity, you see, i was left with broken bones, a broken rib, a chest injury through my back, that is, a trace of electric shocks, however, marina luzynska apparently had no questions about such injuries, as well as about the formulation of the suspicions you were not embarrassed that there is no concrete objective in the suspicion regarding this suspect. what exactly did he do, and the general phrases that were used in hundreds of such cases that came before the courts.

based on my own understanding of the law, i came to the conclusion that the suspicion of the use of such a preventive measure is justified. marina luzynska also traveled to moscow and crimea several times already after the beginning of the occupation of the peninsula in 2014. on the same day that ilozinska was found unsuitable for kateryna vasylieva, judge of the svyatoshyn district court of kyiv. she has superpowers and after being appointed in 2013 as a judge of the chutiv district court of the poltava region, she was able to do so in 9 days to get a positive description in order to be transferred to the svyatoshyn district court of kyiv and in two weeks already received the decision of the higher qualification commission on the transfer, well, a very rapid promotion. i'm in the moon. worked in kyiv before the appointment, already after winning the competition, and i liked it, i was interested in working, and at the public

integrity council, i have a lot of questions for her. i declare that i naturally appeared voluntarily, since i was called to the plenary session, at the same time, it is my opinion that there are no legal grounds for holding a plenary session after the submission of the grp to the president of ukraine. in 2013, ex. president yanukovych appointed the couple as a judge of the commercial court of luhansk region, but already 26 days after the appointment, she was transferred to the commercial court of kyiv. it's magical, considering that usually judges wait years for such a rapid career jump, and inna otrosh managed it in less than a month and did not do without breaking the law. the transfer to the capital took place without a competition, inna odrosh herself did not have what she needed at that time seniority there is a certificate in the case that you considered the case, maybe it was like that, if i worked there for up to two months, maybe it was like that, looking at when the claims were received, there could be

several days at all or weeks where the claims were not received, well, you are only on the fourth the oath was taken, the application was submitted on the tenth, and on the ninth the head of the court gives you a description, that is , 5 days after you took the oath, not a single case was considered. and the characteristic that, while working in luhansk, in the moscow court of the luhansk region, you proved yourself to be literate, an experienced specialist. experts believe that the rapid career jump of inna otrosh jr. was not without the help of relatives. i personally submitted an application, as far as i know, there were no other contestants. inna otrosh, daughter of the odious ex-chairman of the pechersk district court of kyiv during yanukovych's time and ex-member of the supreme council. in 2014, she left ukraine in a hurry, and the news spread that she was supposedly a senior citizen, got a russian passport, moved to crimea and led

the occupation of yalta. city ​​court, however, later the news died down, and otrosh appeared again in kyiv. inna otrosh refused to answer questions about her mother. my mother is not a member of my family. meanwhile , the younger inna otrosh also visited the territory occupied by the russians. since 2014, the judge has traveled to the occupied crimea nine times, as well as to st. petersburg twice. my trips were made to the russian federation, exclusively to the city of st. petersburg. and... and exclusively, well, to the autonomous republic of crimea, exclusively for the purpose of communicating with my loved ones, for me this is an urgent need, it is about trips to the autonomous republic of crimea, firstly, regarding any legal restrictions on such departures, citizens of ukraine have the right to free and unhindered entry and exit. and this is true, however, the ukrainian judge is not an average

citizen, but... constant visits to the occupied territory do not contribute to strengthening the trust in the servant of themis, but inna otruzh does not agree with this. i think outside observers do not know such information at all, firstly, secondly, they can find out, only because now we are talking about it live, but i think that we no one except the judges looks at how the practice shows, because no one is interested in it. judge of the commercial court of kyiv inna otrosh, even before assuming this position,... managed to become the owner of a house near kyiv on 360 m2, two apartments in kyiv, only one of which reached 146 square meters and cost about 250 thousand dollars, as well as a lexus car. immediately after her mother, inna otrosh, the elder, left kyiv for crimea in 2014, she gave her daughter another apartment in the center of the capital of 139 square meters. all property, which was, which already provided an explanation to the relevant

panel. all property of bkps was acquired before i became a judge, except for the apartment, which was given to me by my mother, in 2014, this apartment was purchased by her in the 12th year and was declared accordingly. all other property was accumulated before i took up my position as a judge. and should not be the subject of research. inna otrosh failed this interview at vkks and was so offended by the selection committee that she could not ... emotions. the next day, she published a column in the publication "zakony business", where she stated that members of the judges' qualification commission do not know the laws, disregard the requirements for the protection of personal data and disproportionately interfere in the personal lives of judges. moreover, the entire judicial reform initiated and implemented with the participation of international experts and in accordance with international standards is actually designed to create pocket judges. from the publication and

not a spur in the publication of the law. and business. the goal of judicial reform in its permanent state is to artificially create submissive judges who will speak only when, and only what, they are allowed to do. the slogan of the formation of an independent court is merely a cover to achieve the opposite goal by keeping the judge in constant fear that he will be removed from office if he does not meet the correct criteria. everything is true, judges must meet the criteria of professional competence and integrity, which is required by the high... status of the position, and within the framework of qualification evaluation, not only this compliance is investigated. evaluation includes not only an interview, but also a thorough study of documents, taking into account the results of the exam, analysis of the decisions made, disciplinary complaints and other. the higher qualification commission recognized inna otrosh as not having the right to administer justice. the final decision on dismissal should be made by the supreme council of justice soon.

that's all i have for today.