the whole world heard it and the worst part is that he meant it. no other president in our history has ever bowed to a russian dictator. well, let me tell you, it's as clear as can be, i never will. for god's sake, it's stupid, it's shameful, it's dangerous, it's un-american. when america gives its word, it means something. when we make commitments, we fulfill them. and... nato is a sacred obligation. well, frankly speaking, when i listen to trump, i can't understand where the declaration of intentions is, and where it's just pre-election rhetoric, because during pre-election rhetoric you can say anything, anything, as, for example, once in 1994, leonid kuchma spoke about the fact that the second russian will be the second state, that we will be almost integral there. with russia, that is, that

there will be economic ties, political ties, then it all changed very quickly, as soon as kuchma entered the presidential office, there is a whole system in the united states of america that will definitely not allow trump to do what he wants, and even more so there are international obligations within the framework the north atlantic alliance. mr. olezh, this is such a sharp reaction of the leaders of western countries to trump's statements, what is it about? that you can expect anything from trump, mr. bolton said that it is worth taking trump's words seriously, and there are immediately several sections that can be commented on: first of all, trump, and now, for example, if american institutions were really so strong , as strong as they seem, and how they have shown themselves before, even now trump would not be able to block the decision-making in congress, because its real weight in the congress is much less, it is marginal. eight of these

sticks, well up to 20, which are situationally adjacent, but actually today his informal weight as a presidential candidate, from the republicans almost without alternative, as a person who is the bearer of a cool temperament, let's say, and chaotic, chaotic characters, he has already shown himself previously, creating permanent constitutional stalemates in the united states, it is today disproportionate to its real weight because of it. but blackmails and actually holds him by the throat american parliamentarism, let's imagine the finish line of the election campaign and the post-election period itself, i would not overestimate american institutions and definitely not underestimate mr. trump, and in the republican institutions, in particular trump's, analytical ones are already preparing personnel not only to fill political positions, but already now they are also preparing for functional official positions, in our country we would say a... heads

of departments, state secretaries and other positions that are usually not affected by the political situation at all, and which are actually for to ensure the protection of the state apparatus against a change in political leadership. trump is going to take revenge. he believes that the deep state, and in principle, is right, at one time did not allow him to win in the second term , to go to the second term, because they calibrated him in the first term, very often limited him by his hands in those things that he cannot do. and about nato. it is worth taking this seriously, due to the fact that it is the external structures within which the states have obligations, they smear, can become those institutions that will tie his hands not only from the inside, but also from the outside, and he would like to get rid of them, he would also like to clear the field here so that decisions can be made in the manual mode, yes or no , to move, not to move, this is approximately the same as what we observe, for example, from the g7 or the european union, or other institutions to which... ukraine made

commitments and which thus get the opportunity to act as a certain balance to internal political processes, when we see them take off from a normal flow and normal trajectory regarding trump himself and his statement, here i would say that it is very bad that he can make such a statement, and it is very good that he made it, bad because it says that an american... voter, a republican, he has changed very seriously. a number of studies show that up to 40% of republican supporters, they have moved away from the nuclear classic republican ideology, no longer correspond to the key marker and dominant of the republican ideology, only about 30% today are the core of real republicans, and 40% is already populism and degenerate republican ideology, actually those who are the core of the electorate for

trump, and they are ready to hear such words and support them, if they were not ready for this, trump would did not declare, he very clearly follows what he wants in a populist way. his voters will hear from him, and here's the trouble, it's not about trump, it's about his nuclear electorate, which thinks this way and is ready to share this position, and it's good that he said it, because it's a revelation today cards for various skeptics who think that it can carry, and therefore already needs an appropriate response, apologies for the taftology, from european partners and nato members, except for the united states, in order to prepare for the worst-case scenario and ... what to prepare to prevent it and in particular to influence the united states by calibrating the future potential president trump if he wins. it is very good that such plans of his are being disavowed now, and this is already being taken with complete seriousness. for ukraine, it allows to get more applicants partners in the form of european countries, countries

of the pacific region, which, against this background, take more responsibility and determination for preparing for external security challenges and, accordingly, for support. in support of ukraine , at the moment, it is a sort of bar, on one side putin, and on the other trump, in which the good old europe, at least, is strengthened and hardened, and remembers the need to ensure its security, including independently. mr. igor, tell me what trump says about the end of the war with russia against ukraine within 24 hours. this statement. it is also directed at his nuclear electorate, who also, well, if he hopes that this war will end, and the united states of america will not already be involved in this war financially, with some certain obligations, or

is it trump's attempt in this situation simply to compete with joe biden, who is acting in this situation. as a partner of ukraine , such a reliable partner and flirting with vladimir putin is enough, that is, such a game for two, it is dangerous enough, but we we know that trump tried to flirt with the chinese leader during his first term with kimchynin, and in a word, there was a lot in trump's biography, and now he is, judging by everything. trying to play with putin, or am i wrong? well, it’s not that he’s trying to play there, he really had a lot of similar things in his biography, but they, by the way , all ended not very well, with china, they specifically fell out, and this caused great

economic damage, including to the united states, big and china, but the states also suffered, it also did not work out with north korea, they the development of the nuclear program continued and is now actively demonstrating it, well, it , let's say, to the whole world, in fact, blackmailing the countries of the region with the possibility of using nuclear weapons, and things did not go so well with putin, because to talk about some good relations between the united trump's states and putin's russia, well, it's probably not worth it, especially since trump was very angry at that meeting with putin, where even the media loyal to him wrote that he demanded very palely and by and large felt i am not very sure of myself, and this is clearly not the position of a leader there. states, and the united states as the leader of the democratic world. therefore, when today he makes such statements that he will end the war there in 24 hours. first of all, he still targets his own populist electorate, it is not so big, it is up to a third of republicans, but it is important to him

from the point of view there, even for the examples he is leading today. moreover , i am deeply convinced that he has no plan, and he just liked the phrase "24 hours". and the phrase that if i were the president, there would be no war at all, they are not verified in any way, they cannot be verified, because, well, he is talking about those things that have either already happened, or about things that must happen, and accordingly , at any moment he can change this rhetoric, say that some new facts, some new circumstances have appeared, and against the background of these circumstances, i change my position regarding the 24 hours there and the end. the war that russia started against of ukraine, but what is important, this story really resonates with his electorate, plus he acts here as a certain antagonist of biden and says that we could spend the money we spend there on the united states, this is his thesis about america first, you know , thus

finds its support among a large part of americans who are not really well versed in foreign policy, because this issue has never been, is not and will not be a priority for them. who don't really know what the amounts are, compared to the american budget, it is realistically within the limits of a statistical error, or realistically a penny, but because of this rhetoric of trump , for some reason they believe... that their pensioners or their less protected sections of the population there are lacking something, because america almost gets ukraine there, and trump will continue this rhetoric in the future, because it is very advantageous from an electoral point of view, it forces the biden administration a priori to get , you know, in such a defensive position, almost to make excuses, if they had not yet found an approach to trump, and i am not sure , what will be found, because he is quite, well, quite a situational politician, his... mood changes, approaches, statements and so on change, and he, as in an old

joke, sings about what he sees, and to some extent, this is a problem, because it is difficult to somehow predict, to understand in general what he will bet on, but he will exploit this thesis, because it gives him a result, and since he is a person who came from business, why refuse that , what does this result bring, and there is another moment that is important here, again of such a business plan, this is the maximum. the result with minimal, roughly speaking, capital investments on his part, he does not need to invent anything there, hire some serious companies that will calculate all this, he just has a certain set of these slogans that he uses, and unfortunately, the american the audience perceives it because , unfortunately, today the american people are divided to a large extent, they are disoriented, they have not moved away from the events of the 20th century, well trump continues to pour in this. directly there, speaking in simple language, and in principle , to drive this people into even more misunderstanding, and

on this misunderstanding, he makes certain, obtains certain political dividends, so we should be prepared that he will mention ukraine often, will mention it in this context , that it is not a problem for him to solve the issue of the russian-ukrainian war in general, but he will not say a word, give any details, how exactly he is going to do it, whether he sent a signal in this way to putin well, maybe there are plans for putin to be there, i don’t know, not that he didn’t criticize him there, but he just understood that if there was a change in power, they would be able to solve these issues, but are these statements being taken seriously there at the moment , even in the same russian federation, the question is still open, because trump first needs to win, it is far from a fact that he will succeed. thank you, mr. igor, gentlemen, let's take a short break and return to the studio in a few minutes. kratal contains natural components that care for your skin

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ryterovych, political experts, people who are our guests today they know everything, or almost everything, about ukrainian politics. well, uh, on the 16th, i wanted to, just because you know everything about politics, i wanted to ask you about the story of how petro poroshenko is trying to go abroad again and already to participate in the munich security conference, he received an invitation, one of the three people's deputies of ukraine who received received invitations to participate in this serious event from february 16 to... february 17 this security conference is to take place, let's hear what poroshenko said about why he is not allowed to this conference, the head of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, mr. kiryl

budanov, informed the speaker of the parliament for some reason. to ruslan stefanchuk, that immediately after crossing the ukrainian-polish border, and especially in munich, i, as the fifth president and leader of the opposition, am in mortal danger, and the state security department is unable to protect me as a person i am protecting, no, the entire security system. germany, and the only way to save poroshenko is not to release him. this is a story that repeats itself regularly poroshenko was supposed to meet with orban, and the russian propaganda resources wanted both this and this in order to speculate on it later. now they are saying that

poroshenko is in danger abroad, not in ukraine, and that too. this is the explanation, how do you , gentlemen, perceive such a selective attitude of the authorities to who should represent ukraine at international conferences, on international platforms, who should not, and when , in the end, this is the division, who is one's own, who is someone else's , who can speak, who cannot speak, and suddenly he will say something, what there is no need to speak, but president zelenskyi will be there, he will probably be very uncomfortable. when president poroshenko or people 's deputy of ukraine poroshenko will be there, how do you perceive all these stories, why do they repeat themselves with such regularity, mr. olezh? i perceive as a farce, as in general , the possibility of permits for deputies to leave, not to leave for the foreign administration, that is , the administrative staff, the leadership

of the verkhovna rada. in my opinion, it is generally shameful, as a matter of principle, what mr. budanov is currently saying, in the words of petro poroshenko. and mr stepanchuk care about the life of pyotr oleksiyovych more than pyotr oleksiyovych himself, and can judge whether he should risk his own life or not, of course, budanov and stefanchuk deserve respect, but still, i think that petro oleksiyovych himself is capable to assess to what extent he is ready to risk his own life by going abroad or not, it is clear that it will be in the west and in general between. natively perceived as another reason to say that in ukraine they restrict the opposition, and in ukraine not all is well with democracy, and this will be used by russian propaganda, our enemies. abroad and , accordingly, in this way, ukraine itself provides the basis for a lot of insinuations and, accordingly, manipulations of enemy propaganda around this, whether there really is a threat or not, whether such

a letter really takes place or not, we, unfortunately, have not seen them, we do not know the confirmation of this, but the fact remains that peter oleksiiovych will not be released abroad, and here it is not so important that this is the fifth president, or that it is peter oleksiiovych by name, it is important here that this is a people's deputy whose... his activities, and parliamentary diplomacy for us today is no less important than all other diplomatic tracks, it helps both in obtaining weapons and lobbying, obtaining money, and the representation of the ukrainian position, and in particular the opposition that goes abroad, it can communicate with opposition political forces in those countries where everything is not good in our country and where the government cannot reach, where it is toxic for it, that is why we see that on international platforms, be it a pariah, be it... other collective international bodies, where ukrainian parliamentarians are represented, our deputies, both in power and opposition, from completely different political forces work hand

in hand, internally they would learn to support in the same way each other, it would be very good, but abroad we need everyone, both the government and the opposition, and absolutely different calibers, especially if we are talking about one of the presidents of ukraine, he is definitely not an average figure, despite the fact that what is... a serious level of tension, let's say, between the authorities and poroshenko, we know all this nagging that has remained since the pre-war, pre-war times, nevertheless, it should not cast a shadow on the state of ukraine today, and all the resources of ukraine should now be used for victory and powerful, oppositional, so this situation is a farce bordering on tragicomedy. thank you, mr. oleg, mr. igor, is this the result of this... the result of that confrontation that we saw 5 years ago, i suddenly caught myself thinking that it was 5 years ago, and we, we, we understand , that in principle, during this time, first of all, both petro

oleksiyovych and volodymyr oleksandrovich have already experienced a lot, and all of us together with them have experienced a lot, but we again see some kind of return to the past, when it is necessary... to take and humiliate the fifth president of ukraine there without letting him go abroad, well , it looks petty, i would say so, petty, as for volodymyr zelensky, as for a person who, one way or another - well, who is known in all over the world, and it is unlikely that poroshenko will compete there site in munich, well, it is absolutely obvious, these are different figures, different times, and these... figures can complement each other in order to achieve the result we are counting on, that is, to tell about what ukraine wants, and what ukraine offers at the munich security conference, because

it is a serious enough meeting, where, well, maybe poroshenko would strengthen zelenskyi, what do you say about it, well, by the way, this would definitely be positively perceived by all other countries, which would be ours there partners, because for them this is, you know, the inheritance of power. or the unity of the authorities and the opposition in countering, in this case, russian aggression, is a very important marker, including a marker that determines their decisions regarding future support, well, pay attention, unfortunately, to some statements made by our partners recently, they already contained certain political elements, that is, they mentioned there about pluralism, pluralism of opinions, different political parties, about increasing the efficiency of parliamentarism, the return in general. integrity of the ukrainian parliament, non-persecution of the opposition, compliance with the law the opposition and many other things, that is, they are already starting to pay attention to this again,

despite the fact that there will be almost two years of a large-scale war, but they are starting to remember those stories that were very relevant there before the 22nd year, and of course, that such participation there is not joint, but simply participation in the same conference of the president and the former president, well, it was clearly perceived as a positive signal, everyone is responsible for something... his own, does something to the best of his strength and capabilities and accordingly helps ukraine, and yes yes, this position power, it looks, well, i would say so , you know, infantile, and this is actually a very big problem, five years have really passed, but there will literally be, yes, there are still many presidential elections, which were held in the 19th year things come down to such a personal confrontation, although, if you look at the ratings, well, it does not make any sense now, because, well, the elections are not soon and there... there is no need to worry about some things, including the current president, he has to solve completely different issues , maybe someone thinks just there in the environment the acting president, what

is possible with such things. to divert attention, including that of society, from some other problems that exist, so that society discusses these issues, instead of paying attention to some other problems and scandals that arise in us, well, for example, how we discussed for a couple of days the history of non-allocation of funds for the construction of fortifications in the zaporizhzhia region, today the cabinet of ministers seemed to settle this situation and said that the money had already been found and so on, but it was, indeed, no money was allocated and the problem, it basically arose, that's why they create it. such informational reasons, which do not give an opportunity in principle to focus there on really important topics that are important for the country, and here i would probably add a certain political fear, but political fear in what way, that the government may not be very sure of itself now he feels, especially against the background of all the personnel rotations with which we started our conversation today with you there in the military leadership and he feels very vulnerable, he is afraid that the opposition there will start to go astray.

show their support , the ratings will start to grow there, well, trust in this case, because as a rule, they do not measure there until the elections directly to the parliament or the presidential elections there, but nevertheless, and in order for this not to happen, well, it is necessary to somehow put the wheels in the wheel, and not give the opportunity to get some kind of informational excuse and, well, to create such a situation, well , of a really humiliating nature, but you understand, this is a shot in the foot, because instead of speaking rudely, poroshenko at the conference, where he could would like to talk about something there, i don’t know, make one or two approaches to the mass media there, give out some comments, well, i don’t rule out that now the ukrainian delegations, it’s not a fact that the president, well, the delegations will definitely ask questions , and what is happening there again, why can't your people's deputies leave, especially with an invitation, and why do you create some obstacles in the way of their normal political activities, including representing at least part of the ukrainian people. thank you, mr. igor

conversation, thank you... to you, mr. oleg, also for participating in the program, oleg sahakyan and igor reiterovych were guests of our program today, thank you for what you said and articulated about current events in ukraine and the world, friends, i would like to remind you that during our broadcast we conducted a survey, we asked you about the following: do you support the idea of ​​mobilization for an additional tax, please show the results of the vote on tv. 24% yes, 76% - no, on youtube 23%, yes, 77%, no, well, approximately the same ratio of those who are in favor of the idea from lines from mobilization for an additional tax, and who is against. that's it, friends , let's put an end to it, it was the program verdict about serhiy rudenko, i say goodbye to you

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