write a security agreement. meanwhile, we are approaching 9:00, the time when we remember and honor the memory of all those who died because of the russian occupiers, because of their war against ukraine. let's observe a moment of silence in memory of the ukrainian military and civilian citizens of ukraine who died in the war started by russia.

greetings, this is the svoboda ranok project, my name is oleg galiv, and later in this broadcast we will talk about the following. the situation in avdiivka is difficult, but controllable. said commander tarnavskyi in the third assault room at night to the brigade, meanwhile, which was sent to be reinforced by the ukrainian military, the events in avdiivka are called hell and they state that they are forced to fight 360° against new and new brigades that russia is creating. let's talk with the military about the hottest point of the front. telegram representative remy bong said that messenger is and has always been safe for ukrainians and users around the world. this statement is a reaction to the words of ukrainian officials.

that messenger may pose a threat to ukrainian users, what next, is it possible to ban telegram in ukraine? that a citizen who has committed a crime and received some punishment is not a reason not to protect the homeland, said the minister of justice of ukraine denys malyuska, his words were immediately picked up by the media, who said that they would mobilize the convicted without their consent. does the official mean this, what is the vision of kyiv in the matter of the mobilization of prisoners. i remind you that each of your comments in... likes under this video are important for the promotion of quality content on youtube, and also subscribe to the radio liberty channel. the defense operation of avdiyivka continues, but the armed forces of ukraine prepare for all possible scenarios. troops are maneuvering in dangerous directions, and fierce battles are taking place within the city. such a statement regarding the situation in avdiivka was made at night by the commander of the tavria direction , brigadier general oleksandr tarnavskyi. he calls it "difficult, but controlled.

according to the adopted decision , planned reinforcement of units is taking place and troops are maneuvering in threatening directions. in addition, an additional resource of ammunition and other means of destruction has been allocated, new positions have been prepared and continue prepare powerful fortifications taking into account all possible scenarios. tarnavsky did not specify where exactly the troop maneuver is taking place. meanwhile, analysts of the deep state project say that ukrainian forces have withdrawn. positions of the fortified zenit district in the south of avdiivka, however , they say, not everyone managed to get out, so the situation, i quote, is not as happy as others try to present it. u dibst confirms that russian forces have hoisted their flag over zenit, which was actively reported by russian military bloggers the night before. deepstate they also report that there is an advance of russian troops near lastochkino, that is to the northwest of avdiivka. and also, they say, the russian forces are razing the coke chemical plant to the ground. at this moment

, radion kudryashov joins our broadcast, he is a major, deputy commander of the third separate assault brigade of the armed forces of ukraine. i will remind you that it was this brigade that the general staff sent to avdiivka to strengthen the positions of the ukrainian side. congratulations. i congratulate you, i wish you and the audience good health. thank you very much, despite the difficult situation found an opportunity to turn on. please tell us what the situation is in avdiivka now and what is the risk of surrounding the city, in fact, what is already so active in the zone of restoration and maintenance of training, and by order was sent in the direction of avdiivka, directly to the city of avdiivka, for more than 12 days already soldiers, soldiers, sergeants and officers occupy the line of responsibility inside the city of avdiivka and conduct a raid. actions in

order to both expand the logistics corridor and expand the range of responsibility of the armed forces of ukraine, directly in the city of avdiyivka. tell me, please, the experts, and in particular the deep state and what commander tarnavsky said, say that there are maneuvers by the armed forces of ukraine. i understand correctly, it is about the fact that the armed forces of ukraine withdraw from certain positions in order to take more convenient positions for themselves, and was there even a partial withdrawal of the armed forces of ukraine from the city, do you know? first, the third separate assault brigade is located directly in the city of avdiyivka to this day decently fulfills the task of this defense. regarding maneuvers. there are certain stages of these actions, the first is that we have to withdraw from the position, because they are simply leveled with the ground, that is, the position is destroyed and our servicemen move to more advantageous positions in order to hold the defense line, also in some

cases we do not see the expediency in maintaining certain positions within the city and also moving to more favorable positions. in order to better resist, so that you understand, on the 12th, usuftawriya declared the fact that a record was set for the elimination of servicemen from the enemy's side, and this is an example of successful maneuvers and successful defeat directly by the armed forces of ukraine and the third separate assault brigade in the city of adivka. the russian public posts footage from the zenith, where the russian flag was allegedly raised, they were able to gain a foothold there, what do you know? i will formulate it as follows: it now affects the moral and psychological level more, it is more such an agitation in quotation marks of the successful actions of the russian federation, today the enemy is there throughout information, does not have a strong position

to receive it. mr. rodion, if you read the comments on social networks, in particular on telegram channels, where they talk about the situation in avdiivka, ukrainians ask a very simple question. which i would like to address to you and hear your answer and your vision, do you see the need now to hold the city despite the difficult situation that remains? i will answer you as it is: the third separate assault brigade is a unit of the armed forces of ukraine, the ground forces. we are currently performing the orders given to us by our senior management, and we try to do it qualitatively and show results. we are ready to carry out any orders, but now the order is... to defend the city of avdivka, to directly occupy the line of responsibility inside the city. is there an understanding of what the current ratio of who controls what in avdiivka looks like, because from the statements of your comrades, we understand that the ratio of forces is roughly one to seven, in favor of russia,

nevertheless, but as for who and how does the state of avdiivka control what areas now? of the enemy, indeed, he is very much about... not only motorized units are against us, but among these units, which are mechanized and rifle units, there are also special units, including the gru of the armed forces of the russian federation, which are, let's say, flagship in the pressure on the city of avdiyivka, regarding the battles that are taking place in the city and regarding our positions, the situation is critical in some sections, tense, in some cases. we have 180°, in some cases even 360°. we are trying to level the situation, and i will say, for now, at the moment, the situation is difficult, but controlled. if we talk about 360°, in simple language, it means that, for example

, there is some part of the armed forces of ukraine, which is standing and the russian forces are advancing from all sides in a circle, right? yes, for example, whoop, chirop, which we occupy. it is completely 360° surrounded by the enemy, but there is a possibility, this, this ring, let's say, inner, to be opened with the help of, again , shock-assault actions. in principle , it works for us today. if we talk about the map in general and look at least the map that analysts of deepstate publish, it can be seen how this ring can close there in a certain time, if there are no changes on the battlefield, in order for the situation to change. tell me, please, to what extent... russian forces set themselves the goal of actually completely encircling the armed forces of ukraine in avdiivka, and to what extent are they currently succeeding in this? i want to comment on this from two sides: first, the russians do everything, despite their losses, regardless of

personnel, despite their losses, or among equipment, despite their own the consumption of ammunition is simply to be blamed on everything that is directly ours. defensive lines and take the city of avdiivka, it is important for them, well, if you laugh like that, then they used to talk about how they successfully captured berlin, now they are showing off how successfully they... are trying to capture avdiivka, well, this is the comparison, but i will also tell the other side, now the fighters of the third separate assault brigade of the armed forces of ukraine, who are carrying out the order for the steady defense of avdivka, are showing unprecedented heroism, i want to appeal to everyone, take a moment of your broadcast, to say that soldiers and sergeants and officers, those who are serving now on the front line, are real heroes. by the patriots of our country, but the risk of being locked in this ring remains, the risk

is always there, we are at war. i thank you, take care, rodion kudrishov, major, deputy commander of the third separate brigade of the armed forces of ukraine, i would like to remind you that this brigade was actually sent to avdiyivka to reinforce the ukrainian military, and the third assault unit has already been there for 12 days, as we heard from this interview. in the comments, write topics that you think are important in order to also raise them on the air, and i will remind you that the situation in avdiivka has been very actively discussed by the western press in ukraine in the last few weeks, so this is the key topic of our air today. oleksandra havrylko, the head of the communication department of the main department of the national police in the donetsk region, joins our broadcast as well, my congratulations. i congratulate you too. thank you for finding the opportunity to participate, if we have already talked about the military situation military, i would like to be with you. to emphasize the situation regarding civilians more , please tell me, as of now, entry and

exit to avdiivka for police officers, for employees of the state emergency service, in order to evacuate people, is it there, is it not there, how does it look? as you have already said, the situation there is indeed very tense, and now our units are working more in populated areas, which are located near avdiivka, nearby populated areas. points, and here is the cheretenska groba community, and we should not forget that we have more there are also children there, we carry out evacuation there , which recently approved the forced method of children, now we emphasize on this , indeed, if the security situation allowed, we did not lose a single day without visiting a settlement where active hostilities are ongoing , including volunteers in... including our evacuation groups of the white angels,

and as of now, the situation is really very critical, and we are evacuating only thanks to the military personnel, for which we are very grateful. evacuation of the population points around avdiivka or from avdiivka itself? avdiivka itself, from avdiivka itself. and please tell me, according to preliminary data, about a thousand people continue to stay in avdiivka, whether there are children among them and what arguments people give. why don't they want to leave and haven't left until now, according to our data , there are currently about 900 people in the settlement, these data may be inaccurate, there have been no children there for about a year, i think we took the last child out last year, people will tell you, that is, i will tell you... i'm saying this, everyone who stays in avdiivka,

in avdiivka, everyone, we visited everyone, it 's 100%, that is, our groups, our guys from white yango, they are local, they knew all the people, where they lived, they even knew where, if there were flights where people moved there from their house to another, and when humanitarian aid was delivered, people came out, shared where they are now... that is, we communicated with everyone and talked with everyone about the need and the criticality of the situation that civilians there has been no place for a very long time. but your colleagues , who turned on, talked about what there was constant communication with the people, the current situation of those people who remain, where do they get water and food, how do they generally live in the city, which is in such a state, humanitarian aid was provided to the people. always , of course, they kept stocks of this humanitarian aid for themselves when we brought,

well, such humanitarian aid as bread, for example, so, they can't get it, only when we brought it, it is possible in shortage, but all the others, all other food, people have it in their basements, that is, they have stocks, i thank you, i thank you for joined in, told about the situation. in avdiivka, oleksandra havrylko, head of the communication department of the main department of the national police in the donetsk region, is a guest of our broadcast. about the difficult situation in avdia. they are also talking outside of ukraine, the american newspaper washington post writes that the surrender of the city is a matter of time, they were allegedly told about this by unnamed ukrainian military, with whom the journalists spoke at the positions near avdiyivka last week. at the same time, the military says that, defending, they are trying to inflict losses on russian forces, despite the fact that there is no point in keeping the city, as they say. the white house also believes that the city

may come under russian control and partial responsibility, for which they rely on the american congress, which... still has not approved military aid to ukraine for 2024. russia sends wave after wave of conscripts to attack ukrainian positions. and because congress still hasn't passed a supplemental bill, we haven't been able to provide ukraine with the artillery shells it desperately needs to thwart these russian attacks. now the russian troops have actually reached the ukrainian trenches in avdiivka, and they are beginning to suppress the ukrainian defense. the price of the inaction of the congress is very high and it... is on the shoulders of ukrainian soldiers. at this moment , oleksii hetman, a military expert, joins the svoboda ranok broadcast. congratulations. good morning. mr. oleksiy, there are a lot of statements about avdiivka. the western press writes and declares, in particular, how we heard that a partial withdrawal of troops from avdiivka has already taken place. i will start with the main questions, with what you know and with what you

analyzed whether the armed forces of ukraine really started with troops from the city, as a whole. it is possible, it is quite possible, that the third assault brigade, which was added there, was not in order to strengthen some counteroffensive actions there, but in order to organize a calm withdrawal of troops from this very city, avdiivka is already almost destroyed, it is pointless to maintain defense in a half-ruined or completely destroyed city, but not everyone knows that withdrawal plans are planned in an organized way from the withdrawal of troops, and they are more complicated are planned than an offensive operation, i.e. an organized retreat is a more complex technical, technological operation than offensive actions, so it must be carefully prepared so that during the withdrawal of troops, well, there are no unexpected enemy attacks, so as not to suffer losses, well, and it takes a certain amount of time for this, i understand your

analysis correctly, what is happening now in avdiivka, reinforcement by the third assault brigade, this is all happening. in order to hold those positions that still remain, actually the positions of the armed forces of ukraine, but next to to organize a safe withdrawal of troops in order to preserve the lives of ukrainian soldiers, most likely yes, because in such and such a situation, to continue combat operations in a semi-encircled city, well, it would be possible, if we, well, you are now watching the video in such and such a it is extremely difficult, almost impossible, for such gruins to lead a defense, well, it is almost impossible, that is why there is, well, there was a lot of talk about it, that sooner or later the troops will have to be withdrawn from... not because we are worse, that we do not know how to fight, but because that there is about 10 times more living things strength, more manpower and equipment , 10 times more manpower, equipment, artillery shells, no one at all counts how much more, as well as planning bombs, well , officially controlled bombs that they drop, that is, there is no point in keeping the defense in the city of zeryn you have to leave, you have to leave

, you have to leave, you have to, well, don't be careful, you have to be ready... so that the enemy can't, well, do something while leaving. why didn't you leave earlier? well, come on, there was another issue with the civilian population, it had to be prepared evacuation, that is, many issues had to be resolved, but it is very annoying when they start criticizing some, some people there, that we are doing something right, we are doing something wrong, those who are not in the vicinity of these cities at all, and from where they get information, it is unknown, so far everything is going, everything is going relatively normally, we need to hold back such overwhelming enemy forces. well, well, it's almost impossible, you have to retreat to more prepared positions, you have to, well, as they say, level the front line, and remember that when the enemy is outnumbered many times, ten times, then in order to to hold it, you need more weapons, more shells and, excuse me, more people, and for some reason in our country

, no one notices that they do not supply us with shells, that we have nothing to shoot at, there are discussions about whether mobilization is necessary or not. it's like... some kind of trip for the weekend and we plan whether we want to or not and what to take with us , meat or fish, who likes what, well , that's why we have to leave, if we think about it further, our partners will reflect, express concern or great concern, we have to move further, well, it's impossible, there are two brigades, two brigades - that's according to wikipedia 400 people, 20 brigades each, 50 00 stretched there, well, how can i just say, two against. according to the morning report of the general staff , they still state that the ukrainian military continues to restrain the russian forces, which have not stopped trying to surround avdiyivka for the past day, according to the general staff, two 28 attacks were repelled by the ukrainian military, and according to the decision, a planned strengthening units and carrying out maneuvers by the military in threatening directions is the official position of the general staff to voice also

two two words two words so that my words are my words i do not say that there is preparation going on stop stop stop stop no one says that the third brigade has approached there in order to to prepare a withdrawal and we will withdraw there, they came to prepare a withdrawal if the situation becomes... threatening, if there is no possibility to bring something up, if there is almost a complete encirclement, then there will be a withdrawal. mr. oleksiy, i am not for objection your words, i'm just for that, i'm not for denying your words, but only so that we voice the full picture to the audience, what are the statements, what is the analysis, it's important to talk about both. the white house stated that avdiyivka is actually on the verge of passing under russian control, this is a recent statement, due to a lack of ammunition. tell me, please, i understand, maybe this is an unanswered question, but still, if these ammunitions were now... provided by the partners in the amount that ukraine needs, would could it fundamentally change the situation , or is it already too late, well, fundamentally, it is unlikely

, but it would essentially help, well, they left, the congress left the house of representatives, this is the lower house of the united states, who does not know, for some reason they went to rest until february 28, from what they're resting on, it's not entirely clear, well , you know, their speaker, who was supposed to put this question to a vote, i think there's even... votes, well, i'm a little surprised, how is this speaker, even if he's johnson, then how, how can he independently decide what, what to put, which questions to put to the vote, which not to put, he, he is the speaker, this is the word to talk, the impression is that he runs the parliament, that he wants this and does it, something, something seems to me, something is not very somehow, well, american politics - this is a separate thing, experts on american politics should be involved here, how does it work, i just wish i could say, well, everyone wants to do it. the senate, the upper chamber voted, the lower chamber seems to have a majority of votes that would support this aid, even one would support speaker, and i will not put it to a vote,

i have all gone to rest for about a minute, i would also like to hear your opinion about the fact that the situation in avdiivka is more difficult than it was in bakhmut, so how can you evaluate from the point of view of , what was and what is now is more difficult, they lost the losses of the russians near avdiivka, well, they lost since october 10, 17. this is more than the soviet union lost in 10 years of war in afghanistan, there are crazy losses, much more than, well , no, much, but more than in bakhmut, and the power is there more was involved than in bakhmut, the vagniovs fought there, well, a conditionally limited number, here they are just throwing, well, we understand, this is a political basis, they need until march 15-17, when the elections in russia will be held, to show some success, that is why they will mount these assaults, not counting how many people they lose in order to show at least some advantage. two words about the truth for another 30 seconds, literally, as recently as last fall , the american institute for the study of war, what professional people are there, they are serious serious

data, they say that the loss of the videivka will be a tactical failure, not a strategic defeat, that is, for the russians, they present it as a great victory, there is nothing like that, well, bahamud was captured, but the line did not collapse from the front, the same will happen with avtivko , it is not good, but it is not a disaster, important words, thank you for this analysis, oleksiy hetman, military expert, our guest. broadcast, we talked about avdiivka, one of the hottest, if not the hottest spot, actually on the map of military operations in ukraine, as of today. also the munich security conference starts today and this year will be its anniversary. 60 years have passed since the first such event. world leaders will gather in germany to discuss problems in the field of global security, where one of the main topics will be aid to ukraine. zuryana stepanenko, the correspondent of radio liberty in europe, knows more, she is already in touch with us. my congratulations, so what to expect from this event? good, mr. colleague, well, it is always a big and

discussed event, and there are several reasons for that: well , first of all, the influence of the participants, this year about fifty leaders, also more than 100 ministers, also diplomats, parliamentarians, representatives of civil societies are expected at the munich conference, but there is also so much attention to this for the west because of the landscape we have, well... in particular, the ukrainian military did not advance, did not have significant territorial gains, they were not crowned with a counteroffensive, which had high hopes, although, nevertheless , the ukrainian side had certain successes in the black sea, and the western partners are talking about this, and we also have delays in the western aid to ukraine, well, this event is also important, because the topic for which this international platform appeared 60 years ago is now more important than ever, it is really security, the sense of which is less and less felt on the european... continent nowadays, about this, in particular and the main discussion document of the forum, which the organizers traditionally publish before its start. its separate section is about the russian invasion of ukraine and

its consequences. have to raise both military and financial aid to ukraine, because a russian victory, they say, would be a disaster for many, and its aggression, says the report, which will be widely discussed here and will form the basis of many panel discussions, will leave no one in europe safe, and this comes at a time when doubts are growing about future security moves by the united states. the possible coming to power of donald trump and his latest statements about nato, which everyone in europe responded to. levels will take their place in the munich discussions, because on this continent there are serious concerns about whether they can count on collective protection, in case if the confrontation with russia, which is being talked about here more and more often, officials at different levels are saying out loud, it will happen. the american delegation will answer these questions, or at least try to do so, in munich it is traditionally headed by vice president kamela harris, it also includes secretary of state antony blinken and about 30 senators who

know very well what awaits them. democratic senator sheldon whitehouse, quoted by the washington post, even expressed hope that american lawmakers would not be thrown here eggs against the backdrop of delays in approving funding for military aid to ukraine in congress. the ukrainian side on this platform, in particular, will try to get the most powerful international support. a regular meeting was just held the other day, where the allies agreed to supply ukraine with a million drones, according to which britain and latvia will lead the drone coalition. true, during what period will these take place. the supply is unknown, and also nato and ukraine are creating a joint training center in poland, and norway is starting to train ukrainian marines in the spring foot soldiers volodymyr zelenskyi is expected in munich, who, as reported, will visit several european capitals on his way here to seek help for the same purpose. olezhe thank you very much zoryan for a short tour of what will be at the munich conference. zoriana stepanenko, a correspondent of radio svoboda, was live at svoboda ranok.

convicted ukrainians should be mobilized to the armed forces without asking their consent, this was the position expressed by the minister of justice of ukraine denys malyuska on the air of the telethon. the ministry proposes more radical steps regarding mobilization those who once committed a crime, were punished and are now or have always been at large, says the minister. the ministry of justice is also working on the possibility of mobilizing those who are currently incarcerated. malyuska added that the decision on whether to mobilize this or that citizen should be made by territorial recruitment centers. the minister remarked: it is not necessary to ask for the citizen's consent. no one plans to ask them, at least that is our position. it is the duty of every citizen to protect the state, and what a citizen once committed a crime and received some punishment - not necessarily prison. it can be a different punishment. he has been free for several years now, or has always been free. this is no reason not to protect the motherland. the ministry of justice will provide proposals for changes to the mobilization to the deputies, so that they can be included in

the updated law. project on mobilization, i would like to remind you that on february 7, the verkhovna rada supported the government draft law on mobilization in the first reading, now the parliamentarians have two weeks to make suggestions and amendments. according to the verkhovna rada speaker ruslan stefanchuk, the second reading of the bill may take place no earlier than february 21. denis malyuska, minister of justice of ukraine joins our broadcast at this moment. congratulations. good morning. please tell us about the changes made to the draft law on mobilization in the context. judges, what does the ministry offer, what is your vision and how should it work? let me explain, the fact is that from our point of view, two large categories of our clients, past or present, should be distinguished, the first is those who have a criminal record, i.e. these are those who have already served their sentence, the punishment is both related to deprivation of liberty and not associated with deprivation of liberty,

i.e. the punishment has ended, they are not... socially dangerous, they are walking, or have always been walking, were at liberty, now working, not working , and doing whatever they want, but not in prisons, such citizens, as it is not surprising, for some reason are not subject to military registration, and we are talking about tens of thousands, at least 50 thousand citizens, who somehow thus avoid mobilization, do not fall under the radars of the tsk with given the fact that they... committed a crime there , such citizens are already socially recognized, practice has shown that they are completely safe for society, why not use them, why theirs, why they cannot contribute to the defense of the homeland, i frankly speaking, i don't understand, that's why we propose to remove this category from immunity from mobilization, to indicate that they, like everyone else , are subject to accounting and the tsc can handle them calmly.