had some experience in 2018-19, now during the war we do not have time to develop bmps, to produce them, so as the best such example, we chose cooperation with proven reliable and, according to our information, the lowest cost equipment, we presented it, conducted a certain work with the general staff on testing. of this system and with a visit to production facilities and so on, that i would like to say that, well, we will not find out all the information about who offers what from the ministry of defense, we as a company try to offer there our own, in our opinion, for the best decision, the customer has to choose, but within the limits of assistance, within the limits of financial resources and, let's say, upon reaching the necessary...

technical parameters, yes, it is necessary to choose the one that is probably more affordable financially, that is, we, we are not so rich to pay there is more, more than the market level, for the purchase of any equipment, so here you have to consider the financial offers from different manufacturers for the customer and, based on this, make a decision based on the technical characteristics and, of course , the technical characteristics, i think. any of the models that you mentioned will match, compared to the soviet models that we have, here the financial capabilities, the ability to receive help is important, this must also be taken into account, yes, because we can also receive help from governments, and what is important , so that we all understand correctly, yes, because the military does not always understand this, we will receive help not from companies, not from private companies that produce armored vehicles, we receive help from governments. maybe where

these companies are located, but not from the companies. that is, it is necessary this issue is related to the bmp and should be followed carefully so that we really have a technological project related to the expansion of our own capabilities, and not the purchasing capabilities provided by another country. bmp - foreign projects with a transition to ukrainian, and there are purely ukrainian top projects, in particular sao bohdan. last year, the president of ukraine said that the pace production of these machines six per month, your company provides the component and associated chassis with reservation, are these rates maintained, so to speak, and there was a video just yesterday, where, relatively speaking, sao bohdana will withstand the blow of an enemy lancet, are there any details about this story, and i will start with... well, apparently

there are details, although the crew was injured, but everyone survived, and that is why it this is the main thing, for which passive, passive protection is created, this reservation, in relation to passive protection from the experience of the first, first armenia-azerbaijan war, i mean, these are the previous ones, when only passive protection, in principle, helped... in the protection of equipment and against small attack drones, which on that time just appeared, and indeed, such systems need to be protected, armored, as far as i know, now this is such a concept, to armor the equipment used at the front as much as possible, and we see that, well, there are injuries, there are serious injuries, but everyone... this is

the main thing, for this it is created, for this such protection is created. as for the pace of production, as we understand, the pace will only increase. your company passed, in particular, well, but a new sample, the machine innovator passed tests for simplified procedure, like, is this process already completed, are there any decisions on passing these tests, is there an understanding of the volumes for the ... orders, are there firm orders for this type of equipment, either by the armed forces or other defense forces? and yes, it is, yes , it was passed according to a new, new procedure, according to a simplified procedure, there are already orders, there are already reviews, there are already, let's say this, during the passage, tests, mission tests of the factory,

we involved representatives of institutes and customers, and they gave not so informal assessment that really the car is two heads higher than the first innovator in terms of passing all the necessary tests, and it's very , let's say, nice, for me as a manager, nice for the employees who were involved in the development and production of this car, so really worked on it, on the creation of this car. both we and our partners, contractors, in order to fulfill the requirements of customers in order to provide them with high-quality and reliable equipment for conducting combat operations, and now we are expanding the capabilities of these

vehicles and combat modules, and combat turrets, which were developed to mount several types. blizzards with universal and equipping them with means of radio-electronic warfare and so on, that is, the car is like a base, and it can be used in different ways and different payloads are used on it, and in addition to this, we are currently developing another new car for the replacement, which i hope to present soon, i can't help but... ask about the situation that has developed now around the head of naudi, the national association of enterprises of the defense industry of ukraine, which includes the company ukrainian armored vehicles, against serhiy pashynskyi,

the security service raised such a new suspicion in an old criminal case, which concerns a completely different component, but in fact serhiy pashynskyi himself says that... well, this is a consequence of the fact that the companies that are part of naudi supplied the armed forces with equipment and ammunition at the lowest prices, and this is actually an echo of such things, either foreign or domestic , which, frankly, have a negative effect on the activity of navodi enterprises, i would like to hear from you your assessment of this situation, how the directors who... are part of naudi treat this story, whether it will affect the efficiency of the enterprises themselves in the execution of already concluded or prospective orders for the armed forces, what will be the price for such orders and how can this whole situation be characterized? well, first of all, there

is the nabu case, which has been under investigation since 2014, as far as we know and from open sources, so i can't. and comment from the point of view of objectivity, let's say suspicions, what we can say is that serhiy volodymyrovych actively joined the work of the association in march 22, with the beginning of a full-scale invasion, and helps cooperation, coordination of the work of enterprises, having a certain political background, having... work experience in the committee of the verkhovna rada on national security, that is, already understanding the production capacities and capabilities of the defense-industrial complex of ukraine, both the state and the private sector, therefore , using this experience, precisely the enterprises

are trying to interact both among themselves and with by the authorities, and using his knowledge and experience, how will this... affect the work of enterprises, well, in the short term, i don't know, but in general it is a kind of negative moment that can level the interaction of enterprises and so on, that is, of course we would i wanted, well , first of all, the higher anti-corruption court and nabu should... dispassionately investigate this case on the one hand, that is, we do not want to influence it in any way, but on the other hand, there are, let's say, ways of

personal commitment or any other not for let's put it this way, not to limit the work of the association, there are a lot of tools, so all this... can be done without harming the current processes of organizing the production of armed military equipment. mr. vladyslav, thank you very much for your time. for our program for what your company does for our security and defense, and i would like to remind our viewers that it was vladyslav belbas, the general director of the ukrainian armored vehicle company, which supplies our army with a number of current models of weaponry, primarily ammunition. and then we will to talk about another important component, about means of radio-electronic warfare, how they are used on the battlefield and... what promising samples are created by our domestic companies at the request of the ukrainian

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anton borkovsky at espresso. we continue our "war and weapons" program and will talk further about radio electronic warfare systems, but before that i will give one quote that sounds like this: everyone in ukraine who can produce effective radio electronic warfare systems. deserves full state support at all levels and at the central government and in every region where there is such potential. this is a quote from volodymyr zelenskyi this week in an address to local authorities and central authorities, precisely in order to speed up the creation and scaling of means for the council of electronic struggle, do the manufacturers themselves know about it, what problems they have and... how far these aspirations of the president coincide with the capabilities of

the enterprises and local authorities themselves, if they order such systems. oleksiy cherniuk, deputy general director of kvertus, is joining us now. i congratulate you, mr. oleksiy. congratulations, mr. serhiy. i will tell our viewers that your products are actually in high demand among consumers, and i say this: kwertus products are... expensive, but they always work, so i think that these characteristics are probably, well, good signs that you make really quality products, but would like our viewers. learn more about what your company is currently offering to the defense security forces, what directions your creative industrial team is currently moving in? let me tell you, you can say that, before our flagship product was an anti-drone gun, it is a tool that neutralizes the work,

so to speak, of reconnaissance drones, it is commercial drones, mavics, autels and the like, it is a light, convenient portable. a battery-powered device batteries, it can be carried with you from position to position, and then, according to the needs, the needs of the front, new drones appeared, fpv drones, and the most popular with us now are the means of countering fpv drones, these are our kvertus adpv and kvertus adpv backpack, these are basically the same devices in two different form factors, one stands either on a tripod or... is attached to armored vehicles, the other is carried in a backpack, it is more convenient when going out on reconnaissance or when evacuating the wounded, for example, er, we also have large stationary systems, we have them called veper, it is a system of radio-electronic warfare that covers, so to speak, some large objects from drones,

for example, objects of critical infrastructure, we currently have a means of detection of azimut drones in the series, and we also have development of a complex solution for radio-electronic and radio-electronic intelligence and a means of radio-electronic warfare, this is our azimut, which will be with our other means, will automatically detect and identify the drone and then suppress its operation. well this is the latest development, by the way, it's very promising, so i think it's... i understand it will make it easier to protect our positions from enemy fpv drones and other drones, because a lot of this work will be done automatically, so i i understand, yes, absolutely yes, the information that will be received by one product, which we already have an azimuth, will be transmitted to a second device, for example,

to our veper (a means of projectron warfare), and the veper will turn on according to the signal from the azimuth and suppress work drone, which already detected, and what samples of drones are we talking about from the point of view of suppression, that is , is it only about the fpv segment, or is it about a much larger range of enemy drones ? it can be a much wider spectrum, it can be not only fpv drones, er, it can be and there are ordinary drones, there are civilian ones, which we call scouts, mavics, mavic third, which are the most at the front, autels, others like of these drones, it can be any. drones, so to speak, wing, not only quadcopters, wings, they too are controlled at certain frequencies that we can also suppress with our devices, that is, in general, it can be any drone that is controlled at those frequencies that are suppressed by our device. and it seems that you did not mention among the list of products this system, er,

dome type, that is, the creation of a protective dome field over armored vehicles, armor... objects that move, that is, to protect , well, or cars, or tanks , or bmp, it's the same, i know, one of those promising directions, and you have good examples, what exactly in this segment? eh, yes, there are also such examples, this is the first, just the product that i was talking about, which is on the counter fpv screen, it is called, it is a dome-type product that covers either the position or the armored vehicles from fpv drones, at the moment. it covers more, more, more types of fpv drones, but not 100%. we have a solution right now that we are testing, we already have positive feedback , it will go into series, it's a larger dome type device that will cover almost 100% of the drones, and these drones that i control there that are currently on our front, he will close the position or tank

from them. mr. oleksiy, how to perceive this threat now, that there is a risk. that fpv drones on the final part of the trajectory will be guided using machine vision, that is , the entire capture will actually take place, or such an approach using f, from drones does not level the actual protective rap systems, currently we do not see this problem, which in large-scale terms, there is more talk about it at the moment than there are actually such drones. well, of course, as in everything, rap follows drones, some new drones appear, then rep decides how to solve this problem, that's why we will be here, we, we will absolutely go here. so, currently there is not enough information on how to deal with this problem, because it has not yet acquired a large-scale nature, but as soon as it develops, our engineers will

find solutions with this issue as well, in solving this issue. and then i would like to hear your vision of the development of the president's thesis that everyone who produces reb systems in ukraine deserves full government support at... all levels, does your company feel this, are there any components related to development, manufacturing, there testing, procurement, reb systems, where the government's help is really needed? er, at the moment i think we need help from the state in two aspects: the first aspect is financial, and recently we have seen a shift in this aspect at the state level, we are already in... we are fulfilling government orders for some of our devices, for by some series of devices, and therefore we see, we see interest of the state, we are currently still going through bureaucratic

circles for our other means, of course, this funding, which is currently available, is completely insufficient, the need for troops is much greater in the reb systems, which are currently state-ordered, but here the ice is definitely crossed and the state is starting to ... vate producers, and the second aspect is informational, here i mean comprehensive informational support and coverage of the rebu issue, as we can see, on all tv channels, in all public places, in social networks, in messengers, everyone is talking about about drones, about the fact that we need millions of drones, we have an army of drones, now at the ramstein base, they are talking about a coalition of drones. and here the state, well, it may be late, but it is systematically involved in the solution of this problem and is moving in the right direction, and at the same time we are talking about the fact that such

a powerful enemy that we have must be defeated by some non-linear approaches, everything must be done not patterned and to fight including, we receive daily feedback from the front that our product can plant a couple of dozen enemy enemy drones, that's why we're talking here. about this is an example of a non-linear approach, if the war of drones began, and it began precisely in our country, then it is necessary not only to produce millions of drones, not only to supply millions of drones to the army, it is necessary to manufacture and start production of rap means, at least in the hundreds thousands, in order to win this war of drones, it is necessary not only to increase the production of drones, it is also necessary to increase the production of neutralization of drones, so this is what i am talking about i say that the state needs tako... and informational support, well, that is , it is about understanding the meaning of rep, i think that the vast majority of people already understand this, and the second component is the scaling

of production, and while on the example of your company, for these last two years, how much has the production of reb tools increased in your company, how much can these indicators be scaled even more, do you have enough people for this to... in order to carry out, well, well , a multiple increase in the production of these or that samples, well, over the past two years, we can say that our enterprise has grown multiple times, it has grown eight times, somewhere ten times, if we take our production capacity, then we have grown, i think 7-8 times over the last period, in the same way, we grew, we grew in terms of staff, in quantities, we also grew, well, in general, in everything related to products. units over a certain period of time, then we have grown tens of times, eh, but here we are scaling completely by our own forces, we are scaling according to the needs of the front, we

see what is needed, we see who needs it and in in what quantities, er, that is, if there is a question of scaling according to the needs of the state at the state level, then we can also do it, we can do it multiple times, in one year, we can still grow several times for. .. for this we need a clear systematic approach of the state to the needs of the rebbe, because at the moment we do not have this clear systematic approach in mind, we have a certain number of government orders, but they are not the kind of orders to plan scaling for at least a year, well, that is, you conditionally speaking, i wanted to ask about a three-year order, that is, conditionally speaking, to have a perspective for three years for a certain number of samples, then you can scale, i see that we are still trying within a year, at best a form'. to have any prospects, well, for three or three years, for sure, we can't talk with... tell me, can you hear me?

yes, i can already hear it, yes, yes. yes, we definitely can't talk about three years now, we don't have such orders at the moment, we can't even talk about about planning for a year, well, according to government orders. er, we are already expanding the production, we are expanding the production, and the full-time number of employees, we are regularly recruiting, and we are purchasing equipment, we are growing both the component base and new suppliers. er, we are looking, but this is all in accordance with the needs of the front, which we ourselves see and for which we are approached, but it is not yet at the state level, and mr. oleksiy, just for one minute, i would like you to share your impressions after how your company visited this exhibition in saudi arabia, the world defense show, where samples of various manufacturers were shown, not only armored vehicles, as we now

see in the video, but in... reb, i'm sure that representatives of other companies, there are european, american ones, and i must have asked you something, what were they interested in, how do they evaluate us, our level, and how do we evaluate their developments? we can definitely say that due to the circumstances that have developed in our country, the general level of our developments is sufficient high, great development of drones, accordingly and the reb, it began in our war. quite a small number of manufacturers, they were tested by the war, we were one of those manufacturers, including at this exhibition , which was tested by the war, and the world in general, and manufacturers from other countries, they still do not 100% understand the problems that, which arises because of drones, they also do not understand the issues in which we need to move in relation to the reb, so, well, here it would not be sad, but

here we understand... better than many other manufacturers, many other countries in the world, you can say that. mr. oleksii, thank you very much for your time, for the work of your company for the security and defense forces, i hope that after some time we will once again return to the samples of your company, which provides reliable protection for our soldiers on the battlefield. and i will remind our viewers that my interlocutor was oleksiy chernyuk, deputy director of the kver' company. which manufactures the necessary means for the front reb, what is the conclusion from the conversation with our directors, first of all, that we are now at such a stage confrontation with the russian federation, where we are simply obliged to bet on domestic technological solutions that compensate for the enemy's advantage in the number of personnel and its iron, this

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