wartime, is there a reaction from the ministry of defense or the commander-in-chief, the supreme commander-in-chief, or is it generally what they imagine and want, or have you created a bill with the right of legislative initiative, they may make a parallel one, an alternative one, or not at all will consider it? look, well, this bill on mobilization, it has already shown in what... direction they are thinking in general, but the president does not comment on it, because he is afraid for his ratings, they gave it to the ministry of defense, they gave it to the general headquarters, and they seem to have to comment on it, we all said from the very beginning that there should be a balance, i will repeat once again what should be, we , we are not about, we are talking about people, about civilian people, who should go and take to take up weapons and go fight against russian thugs, and we have... firstly, information

policy, which we have failed, secondly - to create motivation to protect the state, and this is something that is not in the main draft law, we talked about it, this no one hears, no one needs motivation, everyone does some kind of limitation, the ability of people to issue some kind of certificates to them somewhere, to get them some kind of digital accounting in the same plan, so look, there are issues that we will discuss in relation to this draft law then... a lot of amendments have already been made, i then created a parallel with my team , which also applies to motivation, financial and motivation in general, what are the main questions, i always start simply with financial motivation and then we don’t get to what other motivations there are, so i will now start from the other side, firstly the main the problem i see, which i study, which i am involved in, which i control and where i try to make changes, is the training... the training

of personnel, as a special forces officer myself, i have trained many people in my life for various positions and for the performance of various tasks, from simple intelligence tasks to serious military ones, i know that a person is confident only when he has undergone normal training and for almost every type of combat, we created preparation as close as possible to the conditions for conducting combat operations and... only when a person was in this environment, it will be able to act correctly , even the brain, but when we are instructors , we taught it that the brain becomes in a stupor when it sees something for the first time, then when it has already gone through it, we even taught people to visualize a situation that can to be, but if he has never seen it, he will not even be able to visualize it, and even then the brain already perceives it, already as if it were, and a person no longer distracts his attention to...

look for uh, let's say this, looking for how to act here, already knows roughly that here it is necessary to fall, renew, conduct combat operations, there to convey to the commander a certain situation, so training is an important aspect, in which we prescribed how it should be conducted, how fighters are not allowed to engage in combat, how it should be checked by exams, how long it should be, and even, you know, when one general came to us, he said: we have no problems with training, there is a problem... with ammunition for training and grenades, well, you understand, yes, it is absurd, that is, we are conducting training, but there is little, no ammunition, and we know such cases when fighters shoot 10 from cartridges, and then somewhere they fall into the combat zone, then we prescribed the minimum amount, because the amount of ammunition that a soldier should fire is the minimum, so that he considers himself ready for combat operations, this is what concerns the preparation so briefly, then we talk about it ... a professional army, i am clearly

convinced that we must create professional units, motivate people to go into professional service, for this we are ready to pay contractors who sign contracts, er, we want to pay er private $3 00 after training , a sergeant four and an officer five, and then their salaries will go according to where they will serve, this will make it possible to attract ee... people, check them and put them in positions for serious positions that require, including serious decision-making there and serious training, then with this we can involve the youth, no matter what, we are now all preparing to conduct a symmetrical war, and a symmetrical war it needs professionals, because there 500 thousand on 500,000 is an asymmetrical war, and we don't have her we will draw out more russians, that's why we have to hire professionals, and whoever says that, what

about the youth, they are more ready for this war, a technological war, a war on drones, a war with the use of modern technologies, we have exactly this category there from 18 to 27 years old... it is not a conscription, so don’t throw them in the bush, but simply motivate them to go and create conditions for them to go to defend the country, for this we do, for example, even pay for damaged equipment there , for one hit tank we offer to pay $ 10 00, for artillery $10,000 for the installation, $10,000 for the rszzo, uah 500,000 for the plane, and so on... and someone will tell me: where are you going to get this money, it's so much? i will explain, let's just take the example of all the equipment that, mr. colonel, if possible , explain briefly so that we do not consider your draft law in the first reading now on the air, yes, for example, to us in order to impress us with how much equipment, how much we impressed in

the 23rd year, and we impressed a lot, we need 1 billion 800 million hryvnias, in parallel we spend more than 2 billion hryvnias on the marathon, of course. we we can pay motivationally to our guys, who will not sit in the trenches, but know that if he takes a drone, destroys the equipment, he will receive his well-deserved funds, which he can spend , including on his family, these are asymmetric methods, this is motivation , and not to recruit 500,000 people who have to go, again as ballast, and we have to pay them 700 billion, and i calculated my bill for the year, i need 70 billion, and this bill... was signed by more than 70 people's deputies , these are also people who just made it. thank you, thank you, mr. colonel, we will wait for consideration of your draft law in the verkhovna rada of ukraine. it was roman kostenko, colonel of the security service of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our

youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us on youtube, please vote in our poll, it reads like this, would you like to see a professional military man at the head of ukraine. yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, you can write your own opinion, separate opinion in in the comments below this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up the phone and vote if you support the fact that ukraine should be headed by a professional military man, 0800-211-381, no, 0800-211-382, call all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, further. we are in touch with yevhen magda, executive director of the institute of world politics. mr. yevgeny, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. let's start with navalny, though this is not an exclusively ukrainian topic, and it is possible for us, let's say, to what is happening in

russia, we are far from what is happening in russia, but there is a reaction to the murder. navalny in the russian colony in the yamalo-ninets autonomous district, there is a reaction from zelensky. let's listen to what zelensky said. it became known that alexei navalny died in a russian prison. obviously, he was killed by putin, like thousands of other tortured, tortured because of this one creature. putin doesn't care who dies, as long as he keeps his own position, and that's why he doesn't have to save anything. putin must lose everything, must lose everything and answer for what he has done. literally half an hour ago, president biden

made a special address in connection with the death of oleksiy navalny and said that it is necessary to help ukraine, which is struggling with putin, and the clock is ticking, and it must happen, it is implied, in the congress of the united states of america must provide weapons to ukraine, so that ukraine can stand up to vladimir putin. how do you look at this whole story, a tragic story, and how and whether it will react is russia even capable of reacting to something like this? of course, every human death is a tragedy, even if it is a citizen of russia, but i see no reason to dramatize this fact at the moment, because to talk about some real influence of alexei navalny

from places of imprisonment, i think it will be too much, and putin removed his next... opponent, although navalny, according to his views, well, i wouldn't say that he was such a cardinal opponent of putin, he was simply a representative of the non-systemic opposition, to me. if you want, vladimir karamorza is more impressive, whom even the kremlin regime repeatedly poisoned, now imprisoned for 25 years, so will there be an explosion, an explosion of what, an explosion of the fact that khodorkovsky proposed to go to the elections on march 17 and that everyone write navalny's name on the ballot , well, this will allow the fsb, i think... to count the number of people who are ready to demonstrate

disagreement with the ruling class, i have great doubts that this number will exceed a million people on the scale of russia, will be less than 1%, but i think that now the task the russian authorities do not to turn navalny's funeral into a political manifestation, although with this it seems to me... everything is simple, because most of the important oppositionists are abroad, and from there they are calling to hate putin, within russia itself to expect something large-scale, for some explosion of anger, well, it seems to me that it is enough naively i would say that the death of yevgeny prigozhin had greater consequences for russia and for the whole world. well, it is telling that navalny's death was announced. on the first day of the munich security conference, and in principle, on such a day

way, putin, who is not participating for the simple reason that he has an arrest warrant from the iss, putin is participating in this international security conference, he is telling this world that i kill, i killed, and no one will stop me, and this also in the style of vladimir putin himself, isn't it? yes, this is absolutely in putin's style and... and i think that ukraine has a good opportunity to use this tragic situation for its own purposes. let me explain how: navalny spent his last time in a camp behind the arctic circle. not in the same camp, though oleg sentsov, a ukrainian director and now a military man, was also held behind the arctic circle for a long time. i think we would benefit a lot, as ukraine, from oleg sentsov

now going on tour and telling how to survive in a camp beyond the arctic circle, so that those who today doubt the cannibalistic nature of putin's regime can feel , to see, perhaps to understand something, i don't expect that everyone will be actively speaking in russia right now, no, i don't think so, but we have to get out of those realities that exist today. but isn't this story with navalny, the violent death of navalny, and putin's desire to hold elections in the occupied territories of the ukrainian state, grounds for peace. talk now about the illegitimacy of president putin during the next elections

, which will be held on march 17, you know, i think that volodymyr zelenskyy should say about this tomorrow from the stage of the munich conference, he should call on at least the seven countries not to recognize what will happen on march 17 before elections putin, because if the world... community, including the countries that call themselves the luminaries of democracy and its russian forces, recognize the elections that will be held in the occupied territory of ukraine, and this territory, the largest occupied territory in europe since 1945, if these elections, the results they will be recognized, and i have almost no doubt that putin will be drawn by more than 90%. from the death of navalny, then we will have a case of,

well, i would say, a mockery of international law and a mockery of democratic procedures, is joseph interested in this biden during his presidential campaign, is rishisunak interested, on the eve of the british parliamentary elections, is the leader of europe interested? the union, on the eve of the elections to the european parliament, did not have to wait so long to understand this, about a month. mr. yevgeny, but here is what we see, how over the past few weeks, russian propaganda has been developing the topic of possible negotiations with ukraine, that they are ready, but ukraine is not ready, and today lavrov already started talking about the fact that the formula zelenskyi, the peace formula is a pacifier and

an unreasonable initiative, it shows that russia in general, if it is going to get involved, it is only with the united states of america, because it seems to me that what lavrov said today actually speaks about the fact that there is no one to talk to in kyiv, we will talk to those who will be in washington, or who are now in washington, we will listen to what lavrov said. all the countries of the majority of the world, including those represented here, we are very glad to see you here, are trying to attract and drag in support completely without... of the original so-called zelensky formula , the essence of which is that russia should simply capitulate, leave the borders of 1991, the russian leadership will go to the tribunal and russia will pay reparations, well, the fact that this is a dud and simply, at least, an unreasonable initiative, is everyone understands. mr. yevgeny,

lavrov says this because we have no partners in the west. a single vision, what is the defeat of russia in the war with ukraine, or why is he behaving so defiantly? lavrov says this for a number of reasons, and when i hear such statements, i remember one of the other a simple historical fact: his colleague from the third reich, joachim von ribbentrop , was hanged, although he was a diplomat, and, it would seem , diplomatic immunity and all that, he was not there. equal to the crimes of the nazi regime and , accordingly, found himself in trouble, exactly the same fate should await lavrov in theory, well , the truth is that we live in a much more humanistic world and in which case , i think, lavrov will be threatened with life imprisonment somewhere in steyn, but the question

in the fact that he says so because russia clearly sees the signals of the part of the political elite of the world that they, the elite, do not see, for example, the russian-ukrainian war as the greatest threat, this is before the study before the munich conference, and actually, well, it is difficult for me to understand at all what these people see then, that is, what they see threats, if the biggest war in the world at the moment, for them it does not pose such a threat... it is quite a difficult psychological moment for me, but i will say that lavrov has already repeatedly called to take into account the realities on the ground, that is, to take into account the fact that a significant part of the ukrainian territory is occupied, and they are not going to retreat in this regard, but i repeat that maneuvers around

the negotiations are possible, only so that the world recognizes... the results of putin's re-election, there is nothing extremely mysterious about it. in parallel with this, mr. yevgeny , there was information that the russian federation wants to place nuclear weapons in space, the congress of the united states of america has had information for several weeks about such a threat, as if it should be an anti-satellite weapon, and this was announced by the chairman of the committee in intelligence affairs. representative of the congress of the united states of america, republican mike turner. let's hear what he said. the ministry of defense indicated today that we are discussing russian anti-satellite weapons. i know the administration promises to release more information on this. but in the meantime, i have a lot of faith in what the administration is doing right now

to address this problem. frankly speaking. i don't really believe that russia in its current state can do this, although you can expect anything from the russians, do you think this is a russian pso, or is it still real intentions that the kremlin can realize? as a historian, i remember that in the 80s there was such an interesting thing called the strategic defense initiative and star wars, when the west was misinformed by the soviet union. about the ability to place weapons in space that could destroy the soviet union. i do not rule out that in this case we see a certain remake, when the west. demonstrates readiness to go into space in order to fight russia, well, you remember this anecdote about muscovites flying into space,

well, i think that there is an element of that influence , it's definitely there, and i think that russia will put pressure on the world community in a completely different way in order to become, well, i would say, again a country with which they will speak, but its technological capabilities, well, i personally have doubts, although i understand that the amount of financial resources that russia can direct to the arms race is quite significant, the population has not gone... far from the population of the soviet union and continues to live by not good in principle veins do not start anything. at the very end,

mr. yevgeny, i am interested in your opinion about the game of viktor orbán and against the 13th package of sanctions of the european union against russia, although they say that orbán opposes these sanctions because there are sanctions against china or against the chinese. enterprises, how do you assess the struggle of the european union with orban, because now it looks no longer like a confrontation between ukraine and orban, but the european union with orban. orbán is not going to leave the european union because the majority will not support it citizens of hungary. i have no doubt about this, but he will try to use political blackmail to force additional funding out of the european union. i have no doubt about this, he is fighting for money that can be converted into his own popularity and extend his own stay in power, where

he can once again blackmail the european union. a kind of closed circle. and by and large, well, according to the current situation, it turns out that there are not so many willing to challenge orban, for example, the opposition did not even manage to nominate a candidate for him. presidents of hungary, katalin novak, who resigned a few days ago, that is, orban dominates the hungarian political field, and we will have to reckon with that, but not in the same way that jaermak and kuleb during a recent meeting in uzhhorod, because after it orban continued his anti-ukrainian statements as if nothing had happened. thank you, mr. yevgeny, for the conversation, it was yevhen magda, political expert, executive director of the institute of world politics. friends, we work live on the tv channel,

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free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with volodymyr tsybulko, political analyst, people's deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. congratulations, glory to ukraine. to the heroes glory. let's be brief. let's go through navalny from the point of view of how the murder of navalny by putin will affect the attitude or change of attitude of the leaders of the western world towards the situation in ukraine, how bloodthirstiness, which putin once again demonstrated to the west, will be obvious to most leaders of the free world? well, there is a difficult moment here, because for some politicians, a separate figure, even of the scale of navalny, suddenly dragged into... the entire

scope of the ukrainian tragedy and the ukrainian war and ukrainian victims. suddenly thin tears, western politicians rushed to sympathize with russia and navalny's family, navalny himself sympathized in ukraine when the first, 10 years ago, the first russian troops set foot on the territory of crimea. we don't remember crimea as a sandwich, so... i don't think that western politicians, because of their own interests, so to speak, will exploit this topic, but it seems to me that they put a cross on putin a long time ago, now , perhaps this death will finally lead them to the idea of ​​dismantling russia, this will be right. mr. volodymyr, during the last, the last several days, lavrov does a lot. various

statements regarding possible changes with ukraine, regarding zelenskyi's peace formula, he also says that it seems that the european union is already ready to provide ukraine with long-range weapons to strike deep into russia. i will quote him: according to our data, the eu has drawn up recommendations for ukraine, it is necessary to bet on the supply of long-range weapons in order to reach the heart of russia, well, it means moscow. it is obvious, and in your opinion , how do you observe whether they change not only their rhetoric, but also their actions regarding ukraine and as for western europe, well, this is evidence of the fatigue of russian society from the war, they do not react to the position of western leaders, they certainly do not react to the position of zelensky or.

ukrainian society, they react to the fact that the war has ceased to be popular in russian society, so they begin to feed russian society with such a blurred formula of readiness for negotiations, but if the russian and kremlin leaders have honest intentions, they should talk about restoration of the territorial integrity of ukraine and... will be the basis for negotiations, everything else is just ritual dances that do not lead to a result, a real result, because they have a fear that the russian economy may collapse this year, so if they really feel a threat, then they should take real steps, and not put up a smoke screen here, about readiness for negotiations, but let's keep the stolen stuff, it

doesn't happen like that. you have to give up what you stole, you have to join, well, well, as a last resort, if not to zelenskyi’s formula, then let them sit down and look at the foundations of international law, and try to find, according to which principle they can appropriate stolen property, there are no such principles, but for them, international law is the right of force, that is, they interpret international law in this way, who... is strong , he is right, that is, china is right, the united states is right, well, russia is right, well, so is ukraine right, because ukrainian troops, when they are causing tangible damage to russia, when ukrainian drones have now killed part of the russian oil refinery complex, and russia has started, well during these weeks, it lost a million export potential, a million tons of oil products that it could export and

earn. currency, now it will not take them out, and the further the ukrainian troops will destroy, so to speak, not only large landing ships, but also the crimean bridge, the softer and more ready for negotiations the russian dwarfs will be. mr. volodymyr, another topic that is unfolding right before our eyes, lukashenko is again talking about the threat from ukraine, he has not been heard for a long time and... did not articulate the fact that there are forces in ukraine that want to detonate or blow something up in belarus, then he again said that there was a threat and that it seemed to be about some saboteurs, and a counter-terrorist operation was being carried out on the border. let's listen to what lukashenko said. they were detained only today.